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Dan Graziano of the Star-Ledger believes Omar Minaya has been unable to convince ownership to sign Manny Ramirez, and so the he will not be on the Mets, according to people familiar with the team’s thinking.
According to Graziano, people associated with the team say, ‘If the Mets were going to get Manny Ramirez, they’d have got him in July, when he was practically free.’
Graziano says ownership didn’t want Ramirez on the team, ‘and that hasn’t changed, and it’s not about to.’
…i’m torn on ramirez…i go back and forth…i realize he is the perfect offensive solution…however, he is a lethargic defender, which is a bigger issue in the National League, and he has a dominant personality, which, while entertaining from my point of view, may not be the best way to unite a clubhouse…that said, his personality didn’t stop the Red Sox from winning two world championships and it didn’t bug the Dodgers enough to keep them from offering a two-year deal…
…i guess, for me, it’s about the commitment, because it’s hard to deny the impact he would have hitting behind David Wright, Carlos Beltran and Carlos Delgado…so, if the Mets had the ability to sign him at just one year, and didn’t, i believe that would end up being a huge mistake…two years, i would have to think about it…more than two, i’m not sure i would get involved…
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If Wilmer Flores is as good as they say he is, trade Delgado, Niese, and Flores for Ervin Santana and another Angels prospect (Nick Adenhart?). The Angels are the perfect team to send Delgado. Murphy at 1B (I think he can play the position, if not, sign a stop-gap). Then sign Manny.
I don’t get it… If Flores is THAT good you want to trade him?
Anyway, I think Anaheim couldn’t possibly be any less interested in trading a young front of the rotation starter for one year of Delgado and a 17 year old kid.
Ehh, it’s just me wishing for Ervin Santana. Guy is awesome. SoCal is perfect for Delgado – nobody gives a crap about anything there, and neither does he. Besides, where and when are the Mets going to play Flores? He’s blocked for the next 10-12 years by Reyes and Wright. Some scouts think he is better than F-Mart, so he’s legit.
Angels get two of our three or four best prospects + a low-risk, high-reward acquisition in Delgado (if he stinks, he’s gone after this year) – Mets get a legit #1 starter, and another prospect. I think it’s a fair deal. Of course, this is never happening. Just throwing it out there for the sake of discussion.
Flores isn’t blocked by anyone. First of all, he’s at the very least 3 years away if not more. Buy the time he is ready, Reyes’ deal might soon expire, Wright may be moved off of first base, either of them can have broken their necks, lost their skills, gone to jail or Flores might be playing LF, 1B or nothing at all.
It’s way too soon to be speculating about whether he has a place on this team. You trade him because it makes sense to sometimes trade s good prospect for a player that might put you over the top (he probably doesn’t have that type of value yet) not because you think he will be blocked in 5 years.
SILLY RABITT,
TRICKS ARE FOR KID’S.
TRADE FLORES ?
ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME ?
The Mets should sign me, and then trade me for Jake Peavy
Hahaha, have you even seen Flores play with that statement?
And relax with the caps lock, bossman.
JOHNMAINE,
SORRY ABOUT THE CAP’S,
THE FLORES KID SEEMS TO BE THE REAL DEAL, HE’S GARNERED INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION AS A RESULT OF HIS AGE (THEN 16) AND HIS PRODUCTION.
I FOLLOWED THIS KID AND WHAT GOT MY ATTENTION WAS WHEN HE WAS BATTING 348 AT ONE POINT, I DECIDED TO CHECK HIS AGE AND TO MY ASTONISHMENT HE WAS ONLY 16.
THE GUY’S IN THAT LEAGUE ARE IN THEIR 20′S.
IN HIS 1ST 28 GAMES HE POSTED 342. 6HR’S AND 23 RBI’S, HE WAS PLAYER OF THE WEEK ENDING 6/29 AND SLUGGED 602, AGAIN, YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO COME ANYWHERE NEAR THOSE TYPE OF NUMBERS AT THE AGE OF 16.
A NUMBER OF SCOUT’S ARE RATING HIM AHEAD OF FMART, FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE CONSIDER DAVID WRIGHT HAD 4 HR’S AND 17 RBI’S OVER 36 GAMES AND SLUGGED 458 AT THE AGE OF 18.
FLORES IS 6′3 175 LBS. AT THIS TIME.
HE HAS TO TIGHTEN UP DEFENSIVELY HE MAY BE PROJECTED AS A CORNER OF, OR 1ST BASEMAN.
THE SCOUT’S ARE RAVING ABOUT THIS KID ” THRE’S NO TELLING HOW GOOD FLORES WILL BE.” STATES ONE, EITHER WAY MY FELLOW MET FAN’S IT SEEMS WE’VE FOUND OURSELVES A KEEPER.
I’d be willing to bet that there are some win share stats out there that might suggest that his bat is worth more wins than his defense would cost, but I wouldn’t know where to look.
Do the Wilpon’s have a suggestion who the Mets could sign to be The Hammer and make the difference.
Can’t do that Sept thing again….
need to “change the face” of our team, remember?
What a shame!
On a brighter note, I want to wish Matt, his staff and my fellow Met fans a Happy and Safe Holiday! No matter what happens we are Met fans! LET’S GO METS!
And F’ the Phils!
Why does he have to convince ownership? Doesn’t he have full autonomy when it comes to baseball decisions? Simply put, Manny Ramirez is a difference maker supreme.
Seriously i am hoping its all a smokescreen from the Mets front office. This team needs MANNY + LOWE to win a WS. WIN NOW !!!
Simply put, Manny quit on his team. Do you want the Mets to be in a pennant race, and Manny quit on them because he wants a contract extension? You can’t deny he’s a great hitter…. when he wants to be. The answer for the bat we needed just signed for 8 years across town. That was the hitter we needed. Delgado could then be moved to the Angels, as suggested earlier for a pitcher, prospects, whatever. Then we sign Lowe. Thank you, my work here is done.
Manny quit on the Red Sox after 7 long years. He wouldn’t be with the Mets long enough to get sick of it.
He has autonomy within the framework of a budget. Wilpons set budget then Omar can do what he wants within the budget, must go to ownership if he wants to exceed it.
Sell the team Fred.
I don’t think that there is any way around it, not signing Manny is a huge mistake. He is the PERFECT solution for this team, and he is just sitting there. He is one of the most prolific offensive forces in the history of the game, and we are not interested. I am tired of the Mets making serious strides toward putting this team where it needs to be, but always stopping just short. You can all say whatever you want to about Tatis and Murphy, but they are not the answer for this team in LF. Not even close. Met ownership should be ashamed of themselves for not bringing this guy in for the opening of CitField.
As much as I hate to admit it, the Yankees are doing it right and are in touch with their fans. Not the Mets.
Yes, on top of it the Yankees didn’t sell out their stadium name and they still do everything in their power to WIN. Add to that the fact that they are doing huge discounts on opening day tix … you’re right … the Yanks owners are more about the fans and winning.
The Wilpons only care about image and profit. It’s a shame.
Manny = Profit.
“Manny = Profit”
Yeah, too bad Fraud Wilpon does not see it that way.
“Fraud Wilpon”
Hahaha, good one. Watch – the Yankees will somehow decide that what they have isn’t enough, and they go out and get him.
That’s probably because he knows that Manny can’t possibly sell any more seats than will already be sold.
Will Manny encourage more people to buy hot dogs?
If not, the only additional revenue Manny brings is merchandise sales. Even so, people will continue to buy merchandise with a different name on it.
Warrior, What you say is so true. Manny is the missing piece of this team and is enough to bring a championship. Owners are content with not making it.. Both are terrible businessmen and owners. They need to sell this team. They really need to stop sticking it to the fans.
manny is the missing piece to this team? can manny pitch? can manny play good defense? does manny have the leadership to bond the clubhouse? no………he is a right handed hitter who would spray home runs all over citi field but is he really worth the headache?
Just so you know, there’s a GIANT corporate name attached to the front of yankee stadium. the letters of the sponsor name (I think it’s Turner) are just as large as the letters for “yankee stadium”. so don’t talk about selling the stadium name. Yankees sell out more than anyone – they just know how to do it quietly.
Pretty much agree with you Cerrone. One year would be ideal, but that is not happening. Anymore than 2 years would be really dumb. Manny’s stats have been are pretty automatic year to year and he raked at the end of last season but I still would not be shocked if he starts to decline. He is getting up there and not everyone is immune aging.
That being said, if we shore up the starting pitching we really don’t necessarily need a Manny.
Here comes a slew of terrible “get it done” posts.
Whats your idea of a sure pitching staff? Lowe? Ollie? No sorry. nothing more sure than Manny.
First of all I said “shore” not “sure”. We need to get a SP and Manny is not an SP. We need innings and, yes, Lowe would provide that. Getting Lowe outweighs the need for a bat at the moment.
God stop thinking small thats the problem with fans like you. We lived in NY we deserve them both. Mets have the money so f-in spend it.
Seriously. How can they jack up ticket prices 50% in two years and give nothing back to show for it? Everyone on the team (other than Johan) is under very reasonable contracts, there’s no reason why the Mets can’t sign both. In reality, i think it’s the long term commitments that scare teams most. I’m sure that if Lowe, Manny, and Ollie would all agree to 1 or 2 year deals, the Mets would sign all three…
I understand all of the “clubhouse issues” surrounding Manny, but it has never stopped him or his teams from winning. From when he was with Cleveland, through breaking the curse of the Bambino, through single handedly taking the Dodgers to the playoffs, the guy has done nothing but WIN. I guess the Wilpons are more interested in guys playing paddy cakes in the clubhouse then winning on the field.
I tend to think the issues with Manny are overblown, but even if they aren’t, I would take him anyway. I think he would fit right in with Reyes and that it would be a fun team. It would also put some bark behind our bite.
Without Manny, we’re good and we should make the playoffs, especially with the lack of doing anything this off-season by anyone in the NL east but with Manny there’s no reason why we shouldn’t at least get to the World Series. We don’t NEED him but it’s hard to say we shouldn’t get him, clubhouse cancer or no clubhouse cancer.
I think when its all said and done, Omar will convince the Wilpons to sign Manny. I mean aside from it being the perfect fit for the Mets, Power RH hitting LF, Adds AT LEAST 5 wins to the Mets. Hes a game changer. All his negatives do not coem close to out weighing the positives.
Plus, in the economic stand point, He is a revenue machine. 300 Million lost to Madoff? He bring alot of it back. Ticket sales, revenue etc. Thats why i think the Mets will have an offer for Manny. Might be a low ball offer, but they will offer him soemthing. Wilpons did not make all there money because there were cheap or dumb.
The real difference makers would be Lowe and Redding. A healthy rotation will make the bullpen that much better in September.
Not being in the clubhouse, I do not know if Castillo is a distraction, nor do i know if his contract forces Jerry to play him. As a fan I would rather see him play elsewhere.
Church came with some baggage. he played through it. I still am not certain what type of player or leader he will be.
Murphy’s attitude is all Mex. Hopefully Jerry isn’t reading all of the “Tatis/Murphy Platoon” BS and installs him as our regular LF. The kid’s attitude has steamroller written all over it – get out of his way.
Seriously. They need to focus on getting a SP before considering a bat. Another starter is a much more vital need than Manny right now.
how good is graziano’s track record? haven’t heard any other source say one way or another .. and manny got scrooged by boras … he should have had his own agent telling the Yankees why he was a much better fit for them than Tex, instead he had Boras working the deep pocket for another client
Wilpons care only about 1 thing and it’s not the fans who pay the price for the tickets and the year after year promises of winning. Merry X mas Fred & Jeff. May someone spike your eggnog and you choke.
“I am tired of the Mets making serious strides toward putting this team where it needs to be, but always stopping just short.”
Christian warrior, i echo your sentiments but we shouldve known the Wilpons would cheap out right when we need an impact bat. This lineup will not finish 2nd in runs scored in the NL next year. If you look deeper into their offense, they struggled with RISP and they either put up 10 runs in one game and 1 or 2 in the next game.
wrightstuff,
we were #2 in runs scored from absoluetly NO production from 2B and C. A-s-suming we can half a-s-s production from those 2 spots theres no reason why we cant lead the lead in runs.
718, you can’t guarantee everyone will put up the same numbers as last year. Also, our big bats all stayed healthy all year long for once. This team doesnt have what it takes to overtake the Philthies in’09 as presently constructed!! You cant bring back the same lineup after 2 straight collapses either.
wrghtstuff,
if your gonna say it like that than you cant count on lidge saving 41/41. you cant count on there bullpen doing the same hting they did last year. They have no SP outside of Hamels.
Not blanton, not Happ, not Moyer, not kendrick.
Lidge wont be perfect but he will still be a top 3 closer in the NL. Moyer and the rest of the rotation didnt stop them from winning the championship, did they??
There is always a reason not to get that impact player. It is insane. Remember the year Vlad was on the market?
Mac,
Dont get me wrong.
We Need MANNY ASAP.
MATT, One Thing Is For Certain: The Phillies Are Hoping And Praying That The “Chokin” Mets, According To Them, Do Not Sign Ramirez. They Know Manny Does Not Choke.
Isn’t his defense, or lack thereof, the reason why we have defensive specialists that can step in later in the game…if need be?
I used to not like Manny but I cannot deny that his pressence on this team would bring it to that “next level”. We need a LF. We need a power bat. And Manny is from NY. C’mon man, sign him to a 3 year deal already!
If we were to sign Lowe and Manny that would give us enough to take the Division and should get is to the World Series (I say should b/c they still have to play the game).
After the three year contract is up, FMart will be ready and waiting to take over, if he hasn’t already started playing in RF. It’s a win/win. The Wilpons just need to get off their butts and allow Omar to make it happen!
I originally was not in favor of signing Manny, and I`m still reticent, but just the idea of watching the Mets with Manny in left and protecting our boys in the lineup. Wow. That would be extremely exciting. For all the ducks that Wright left on the pond last yr..u stick Manny in there, he could get 150 RBI.
I remain skeptical of his attitude and motivation, but for a 2 yr deal, its hard not to like it. If he played well the first yr, I would be confident that in playing for a contract, he would light up the league in his second year, a la ‘08 Dodgers.
This is my same feelings on Manny. Originally against, now would like to see them offer him 2 years…
While I’ll stop short of saying Manny is the perfect solution, I am now on board with signing him to a two year deal. If he wants two years, 50, mil, then pay the man. From a baseball perspective, it makes all the sense in the world. From a business perspective, the Wilpons need to consider that whether they love him or hate him, he will put a$$es in the seats and $$ in the bank, while earning the Mets plenty of attention as they ascend to the top of the NL and compete for the Mets’ first World Series title in 23 years.
All of this, of course, rests on their ability to sign Manny AND Lowe, because without that starting pitcher, the offense alone won’t make the difference.
KRUMBLED,
DEAD ON.
RAMIREZ IS THE EQUALIZER, THERE IS’NT A LINEUP IN BASEBALL THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPARE TO A MET’S LINUP THAT INCLUDES MANRAM.
For some reason, I still consider this a smoke screen…We all know how close to vest Omar playes everything, and not that the Mets are the only big market team in the running for Manny (save for LA), Omar may have a bit more leverage, and trying for more. The Wilpons certainly realize how bad the past two seasons ended, and what a great season in year one at the Citi would mean for them.
Personally, I believe Omar is trying to get enough leverage to bring Manny on for a 1 year deal, which would put the team in a great position to make a run at Matt Holiday after the 2009 season, who would be a great fit for the team.
Ravi, I don’t disagree with you that this all may be a smoke screen but I do disagree with you, in that, Hollday will become a Met. My reasoning is that the entire Mets organization loves FMart, who plays LF. Whomever occupies LF for the Mets will only do so for the next 3 years, while FMart is waiting in the winds.
Which is why I suggest signing Manny to a 3 year 75 million contract. And, when it’s up, FMart will move in.
I would think that RF would be a possibility for FMart too, considering he is a CF’er right now…. Now I’m not sure what the knock on him defensively is, but as long as he has a strong arm, he could play right…
Heres hoping it doesnt take Fernando Martinez 3 years to get to the bigs.
2 years at most for Manny, 1 would be perfect, and again, they are fools if they scoff at giving him only 1 year also.
Forget Matt Holliday too, F-Mart opening day 2010 in left field is the best possible thing for Met fans to hope for
Also, I would trade Church after this season and sign Vlad, we are going to be too left-handed again when F-Mart is ready to play everyday.
I’m not sure about Vlad…his games played and BA have been declining since 2006. Plus, he has been DH-ing with more consistency lately, with 44 of his 143 games in 2008. He did have a great year, no doubt, but I’m a little learly of bringing him in for his age 34 season.
At the same time, you have Nady who is an FA after the year, and Holliday, who will be the pick of the litter.
Qustion for whoever wants to answer:
If we did sign Manny, would everyone be willing to sacrifice a little defense at 2B to keep Murphy in the lineup every day??
Personally I would be willing to sacrafuce it. But, it really depends on what the Mets’ long term vision is for Murphy. I don’t think it’s at 2B, I believe it’s either 1B or OF. That being said, I see no reason why he couldn’t split time at 2B, LF or bascially anywhere on the field.
Yes.
don’t know… Is Murphy-2B like todd hundley-LF horrendous? Roger Cedeno-CF nightmare? or only Easley-2B bad?
I’m tired of Fred Coupon. I’m literally fet up with this guy. He’s apparently too blinded by money to see the impact of Manny Ramirez on the Dodgers last season. I thought he said that that loss of like 300 million wouldn’t effect the Mets at all? Well, it seems, its making all of the difference. If the Mets were smart, they would sign Manny to a 1-2 year deal, especially if there’s no competition! If only they could trade Castillo, that would be nice. Maybe get Eric Byrnes, but apparently the Mets blew that one a while ago, too.
The bullpen’s fixed
There’s an over-payed bum at second base
We have no left fielder
We have 3 starting pitchers (not including Parnell and Niese)
Where’s the rest of the money? God…
I don’t know why the Mets aren’t interested in Burrell or Dunn. We’ve gone long stretches where we’ve lacked a big fly to get us going and these guys are mashers. Yes they strike out and aren’t defensive wizards, but how many games did we lose because we weren’t able to get a 2 run HR when we needed it?
Delgado got hot and made a decent run but we are fooling ourselves if we expect him to repeat his ‘08 run in ‘09.
The reason why the mets havnt looks at burrell or dunn is because ..1 we need to address starting pitching first, and 2 they bat left handed….what we need is a right handed power hitter that plays left…hmm…………
Sell Sell Sell Fred… Get out of NY you Sterling piece of crap
Zero. Ramirez can go take a hike.
What is your reasoning? Besides his attitude…
If the Mets can get Manny for 2 years guaranteed with an option for the third they HAVE TO do it!! They have to have a clutch hitter in that lineup who won’t spit the bit when the games matter. Take the chance. It’s a new ballpark with raised ticket prices! We can’t watch another collapse!!
gometsgo, why did the Philthies let him walk?? i think he is a soft,selfish player who isnt a difference maker.
wrightstuff,
are you serious? he carried that team for the first 2 months of the season. With Rollins and Utley struggling he was the reason they stayed alive. Do you watch baseball?
so did Church
exactly, and he got hurt and was never the same player again. Dont tell me a player is not an impact player if he carried him team for 2 months. Besides, if church could have stayed healthy, he woulda had a huge impact on the Mets.
718, you are right he did carry them early on, and then he did his usual disappearing act the rest of the way. Like i said, if he was that good why werent the Philthies quick to resign him?? He is not even close to Manny’s production and we dont need any Philthy castoffs on this team.
I agreee, NO ONE is Manny.
718, just because a player carries a team for 2 months, doesnt make them a difference maker. A player who carries a team EVERY year is a difference maker. We havent had a difference maker since Mike Piazza.
Seriously, I think I am going to go down to Citi Field in protest. How can this team not want the greatest right-handed hitter of this generation? He’s fallen into our laps, where is he going to go! This should not even be a discussion. This is an absolute no brainer. There is no argument that can justify not bringing him here. I’m sick of this defensive liability and clubhouse cancer garbage. Is the man any worse on defense than a combination of two converted infielders in Tatis/Murphy?! And clubhouse cancer? Please. Do you want to win a World Series or not? Manny Ramirez takes all the pressure of the team, throws it on his shoulders, and goes out dominating. Manny has always proven that he is the ultimate definition of winner. Time and time again, he comes through on the world’s biggest stage with ease. He’d be so embraced by our players and the New York fan base, it’s unquestionable. Manny improves everyone around him. David Wright especially would explode for a huge year having Manny’s presence in this lineup. And, it is only through the bat of Manny Ramirez that you can neutralize the non-production we’re receiving from Castillo and Schneider.
Also, most importantly, there were two reasons why we lost last year. One was the fact that we had an atrocious bullpen. And two was that, although our offense was relatively good, we never delivered the knockout punch to the opposition. All too often we’d leave the window open for opposing teams to comeback. Manny Ramirez certainly provides you with the knockout punch. He is a true cleanup hitter, which is something we’ve lacked since the glory days of Mike Piazza. We need to fill the gap, and Manny would bring us to the promise land.
DO THE RIGHT THING FRED AND JEFF.
GIVE HIM THE THIRD YEAR.
SIGNING MANNY MUST BE DONE!
amen brother
If you want to protest head over to SNY on 51st / 6AVE … While you are there let Yallof know that he suxs as well.
LNBGS, Yalloff is much better than Chris Carlin, who is rumored to be taking over Mets pre-game and post-games shows next year. He’s leaving WFAN to work full-time at SNY. I’m hoping it’s not true, I’d take Yalloff any day over him.
FRED ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME? GO GET MANNY. SIGN HIM NOW.
2 yrs with a team option for a 3rd. Incentive laden, get it done. This is a shame. Even if Manny starts to decline (probly wont happen) he is light years better than Murphy/Tatis/whichever reclamation project you find to play LF. If you’re thinking of giving Burrell 3yrs and not even considering Manny you are OK with mediocrity. Manny will pay for himself!!!
Matt. I am mixed on Manny, but the bottom line is this Wilpon penny pinching is getting ridiculous. They didn’t lower ticket prices and the Mets are quikcly becoming irrelevant in NY and once again becoming the little brother. Manny automaitcally makes this lineup better which right now is not good, they didnt score runs last year and its hard to think we will get the same from Delgado. I feel the Wilpon’s owe it to the fan base to at least talk and see what can be done with Manny, to come out and say no, send a bad message to the fans and the players.
We’ve been the “little brother” since the early 90s. Manny with KRod would bring a little of that ‘86 feel to this team. We all know what happened in 1986 and we all know what happened the last 2 yrs.
Why not a 2 year contract, with a team option for a 3rd. But if he meets certain goals it turns into a player option (70HR/200RBI).
Sell the team.
this is laughable. are the wilpons THAT stupid and STUBBORN. oh heck, why not just re-sign moises alou?
No, both are pieces of crap!
Yes, they are. He always has to be talked into getting a player that puts them over the top. Most times he’s too stubborn to actually go out and get that player. He even had to be talked into getting Piazza … and was lucky Piazza accepted his lowball offer to stay here.
Fraud Wilpon is a content loser.
if the mets do NOT sign manny, it is guaranteed that it will go down as THE big mets mistake of 2009. hear me now, believe me in october.
I wonder If the mets went along with Redding on a 2 Yr. deal if that would add pressure to Lowe/Boras to lower there demands even more? I agree with previous post about seeing Manny interacting With Reyes and K-Rod in the clubhouse and think that if anything he would loosen the clubhouse up.I can remember Him and Pedro and Papi cutting up like little leaguers and having fun and maybe thats the spark that they need. Maybe even see if Pedro Would come back for role in Bullpen? I would like to see him and Manny together on the Mets.
Pedro in his prime always pitched poorly out of the bullpen.
I would love to bring Pedro back and let him earn the 5th spot.
Tim Redding had a 4.95 ERA last season, I highly doubt Pedro will be worse than that.
He is always an injury risk but isnt the plan to have Niese be the #5 SP anyway???
oh and by the way, the yanks may STILL sign manny. how would THAT make the mets look??? read this…..
nydailynews.com/blogs/touchingbase/2008/12/yanks-could-get-manny-and-stil.html
who cares….I don’t want a WS ring that brought…I want my team to earn it.
For all we know, this could just be a ploy to give omar more leverage on the situation…The media keeps pointing to the fact that if we wanted him, why didnt we take him in july, when he was almost free, and while I see that point, that also would have just been a 2 month rental of him, so I’m not sure that I take our inactivity then as proof that we wont get involved now…omar very well may be trying to sell the wilpons on him, while at the same time using the whole thing to his advantage…
I hope so, LI. This is frustrating you know.
That’s what I have been thinking about too, QnsNative.
I really hope that’s the case.
We should have gotten Manny last year and DAMN well better get him now:
Reyes
Church
Beltran
Manny
Wright
Delgado
MATT,
YOU ARE SPOT ON,
MANRAM DOES PRESENT A DILEMMA TO THE LOW KEY WILPON’S, BUT THEY HAVE GOT TO BITE THE BULLET ON THIS ONE HANDS DOWN.
MEMO: TO WILPON’S
WHEN THE CHAMPAGNE IS FLOWING IN OCT AND THE FLAG IS RAISED IN APRIL YOU WILL HAVE LONG FORGOTTEN WHY YOU DIDN’T WANT TO SIGN THE MOST GIFTED HITTER OF THIS GENERATION.
if Murphy can be a somewhat capable 2B than this lineup would be insane
Reyes, Castillo/Murphy, Beltran, Manny, Wright, Delgado, Church/Murphy, Catcher
that 1-7 would be insane even with Castillo in the 2 hole
OLEOSMIRF,
I LIKE THIS LINEUP MINUS SLAPPY.
I COULD SEE IT NOW REYES ON 1ST, MURPHY AT THE PLATE WITH A 3 AND 0 COUNT, BELTRAN ON DECK AND MANRAM LOOMING AND IT’S JUST THE 1ST INNING….. DAMN !
yea but the Mets arent going to pay Castillo to leave so who knows maybe he can hit .290 with a .360 OBS again…
SLAPPY WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE FROM THE OUTSET, IF NOT I THINK JERRY WILL BURY HIM ON THE BENCH.
strongly believe this whole story of the Wilpons telling Omar “No”s a big ole crock. Thus far in Omar’s tenure he has not been told no by the Wilpons ever (at least publicly). Now all of a sudden they’re gonna put their foot down? This is a Omar Tactic to drive down the price and the years. Also take under consideration that just a handful of days ago the Wilpons said that their loss will not affect the baseball biz. Why say that only to back peddle a few days later…doesn’t make sense.
Now with that said, eeveryone is focusing on money being the reason the Wilons don’t want Manny. The above article never says its a money issue. Maybe they don’t want Manny like they didn’t want Miledge. Maybe its a image thing?
I would love to ask Fred and Jeff, what exactly is the image of the Mets currently?
Oh yeah, that’s right …
Tug, I think its evident that this is all about image. I havent read once that money was an issue, especially considering his pay demand is decreading by the day. The Wilpons feed into the “Manny is a cancer” category but as someone stated earlier, Manny has done nothing but win! He was a winner on the Tribe, broke the curse with the Sox and single handedly took the Dodgers to the NLCS! But he’s a “bad guy”. What a croc..
totally agree.
I love how Met ownership comes up with excuses of why not to sign Manny like his defense. But they talked to the agent of Raul Ibanez.. Has anyone ever seen Ibanez play left field. He makes Manny look like a gold glove candidate. If the Mets end up signing Derek Lowe,Manny would put the Mets over the top in the National League. But once again the Wilpons will not go the extra mile to make the Mets the best team in the National League. I’ve spent my last dollar on Mets baseball if the Mets don’t make a big time effort to sign Manny.
We Won’t Miss Ya
Wilpon’s reluctance to sign Manny has nothing to do with money. I think there are a few issues at work here:
1- Manny is getting old, and he’s doesn’t exactly seem like the kinda guy who keeps himself in great shape. We’ve been burned signing aging sluggers before. We do not need a $25 million albatross on the books.
2- The guy flat out QUIT on his team last year. The situation in Boston was VERY ugly, and if anything like that happened here in New York it would be a disaster for the Mets and could set us back years.
3- The focus HAS to be on pitching this year. Pitching is what gets you through the playoffs. Lowe/Perez is a higher priority.
That being said, I love Manny, and I think the Mets will get involved when Boras stretches the negotiations into January. I say match LA’s 2-year offer. If he really wants to play in NY, he will chose the Mets.
You make very good points. Thats why a 2 yr deal would work. He shows no sgn of slowing down and he wont overstay his welcome in Queens.
1) Manny might be 37 but there still has been no drop off in production and no injury concerns
2) His stats dont seem to say he “quit” He wasnt going all out thats for sure but then again Manny at half-effort is still one of the best hitters in baseball
3) The Mets will get there replacement for Perez (hopefully Lowe or Sheets) before Manny is ready to go anywhere. If signing Manny means having Figueroa or Pedro as the 5th starter instead of Tim Redding then you know what I’m more than happy to do that…
all I want to see is effort, if the Yankees outbid us then well, they’re the Yankees but as long as they make a sincere effort to sign Manny thats enough for me.
They dont have to do it now but when the time comes, I expect the Mets to show major interest in Manny
I thought I read somewhere that Redding’s first half was decent but he ended up with some kind of injury 2nd half. He can bring heat is a Northeastern boy and he is 4 yrs. younger than Lowe and alot cheaper= More money for MANRAM .
Most of us here would agree that in a perfect world Manny would sign a 2-year deal, we would acquire Lowe/Peresz and a Wolf/Garland, and gallop our way through October to a world championship. But let’s be real… the Mets brass, like the goats on the field, have a way of coming up short only to let us down at the end time and time again. So here’s what we should do in reality: sign free agent Cliff Floyd! You can tell me that that his knees are made of Twinkie filling and it makes you wince just to see him hobble down the first base line…. I don’t care. At least give me a little morsel of nostalgia to savor as I watch my team serve me up part III of the gag-it-up-in-September trilogy. Then again, Cliffy’s career will probably be over by July or August, so nevermind.
Lets go Mets! Yeah!
If the Mets sign Redding it will only be for a 5th spot. Definately not a 2 or 3. Thats crazy.
Redding isnt very good.
Mets aren’t going anywhere until the Wilpons sell the team. It’s unfortunate, and I don’t necessarily think they’re cheap, but they really don’t have a clue what the hell they’re doing.
If they don’t sign Manny…you could say this..until then…this is just a dumb comment…
Mediocre at best.
I am under the opinion that this is most definitely just posturing by Omar, …Manny has no choices, Omar and the Wilpons know this…why show our hands so early…
Jeez you guys are so jumpy…but until he signs elsewhere lets chill with the insults…..The Mets Payroll is highest in the NL…this isn’t exactly chicken scratch….
Jeez.
you people who keep saying “Freddie Coupon” need to become fans of the KC Royals or Pittsburgh Pirates.
This team has a top 5 payroll. I don’t see the Phillies, Red Sox, Angels, Tigers etc going after Manny. No one but the Dodgers wanted him last year- FOR FREE.
Now I think Manny should be with the Mets ,but it’s not just about money; for whatever reason the Wilpons think he’s not a fit – and they aren’t the only team. If they signed Manny for $25 Mil, and then he acted his age, or threw a temper tantrum, no one would say “oh at least the Mets made an effort.
I don’t like seeing Met fans acting like Yankee fans.
Get pitching. If the Mets don’t do well, don’t go to the games- don’t buy their stuff – that’s the only way to express your displeasure.
Thank you.
Yep.
I with you on that. I was saying yesterday that alot of Met fans have the long term memory of a tadpole. But I think the issue here is that suppossedly the Wilpons want nothing to do with the guy because of his temperment and attitude. Also per several reports, there are no other teams that are pursuing him. This is really frustrating because this guy has single handedly took a mediocre Dodger team to the playoffs. What do you think he could do on a team with the likes of Santana, Reyes, Wright and Beltran?
You may be right. I’ve been trying to remember the number of WS rings the Mets have won since 1986 and my tadpole brain can’t remember any. I would appreciate it if you could refresh my memory.
Everybody can complain that we’re being like the Yankees. I hate the Yankees and every single Yankee “fan” out there. But lets face the facts people, we are in the biggest city in the United States, if we have the money we are going to spend it. The Mets are the nice team of New York, but still have the same mindset as the Yankees. We all want to win NOW.
Having the logic of using your farm system for years down the road is one thing, but after the past 2 seasons I don’t see why Omar and the Wilpon’s are not signing Manny. He is the best hitter in baseball and would put up UNBELIEVABLE numbers with the line-up around him.
Please Omar, sign Manny Ramirez!!!!!
Not just the playoffs, to the nl championship…
well said….While I would love to see us get manny, I do not know if it is realistic…furthermore, it would be nice, but at this point in time is not a neccessity….The thing that kept us from the playoffs, and most likely deep into october was the bullpen, and that has been fixed BIG time….I said it a while ago, and I’ll reiterate it now..(with the understanding that we sure up the rotation) if our offense does exactly what they did last year, and our new and VERY improved bullpen blows half of the 29 games they blew last year, we are a 103-104 win team…Yes manny would make everyone in the lineup better, but also understand that the eased pressue of knowing the bullpen will hold a lead is also going to make Wright, Beltran, etc, MUCH better…Trying to force yourself to perform under that pressue is very difficult…They didnt blatantly attack the bullpen last year, but they more or less said how disheartening, and difficult it was to come back time after time from comfortable leads….We tend to score runs early….Get the lead, then hand it off to the bullpen to blow it, then get mad at david wright for not getting a big hit in the 8th or 9th, when he had big hits earlier in the game, and call him a choker…The get a lead early formula totally works now with the bullpen we have, and if you guys are going to tell me that wont give us at least 10 more wins (OR for that matter, the ONE additional win we needed to make the playoffs) then you’re crazy!!! So to sit here and say if we dont get manny, this offseason is a total bust, or you’re going to stop being met fans, etc, then you should be ashamed to call yourselves met fans, because you totally sound like yankee fans!!!
Have you been reading my mind??
Its true the Redsox won two championships with Manny and his ego. However, the RedSox had and have something the Mets dont. Players on the field and in the clubhouse who are willing to lay it all out. Guys like Pedroia, Lowell, Varitek, Youklis….who do the mest have who has any of the grit that these guys have? No one, its why they collapsed two years in a row. They have guys like Delgado, Beltran, Reyes….guys who its doesnt seem care win or lose. They show no real heart…..Pedroia and Youklis are better than anyone this team has, because they live and die on the field….
Manny isnt what they need…..they need to add a guy like Orlando Hudson and dump Castillo…
wow this board is just filled with more dumb comments today than I’ve seen in a while….
you want a guy who will leave everything on the field??
his name is David Eckstein and he’d be the perfect addition to this team.
His stats will be the same as Castillos but he has the intangiables and the ability to hit the clutch
They are similar in that they both stink equally.
after that guy celebrated on OUR field in 2006 and was chanting : JOSE JOSE JOSE JOSE in OUR clubhouse and yelling PUT IT IN THE BOOKS! as well…u want that guy on our team?! are u kidding me!? i would rather keep castillo than have to root for ekstein
who cares??
When Eckstein is done willing the team to a championship will he stand up and say “God bless us, everyone.”? Do we all then live happily ever after?
SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE METS FAN.
You guys will never give up on this Manny thing will you. You can say his name till you are blue in the face but the Wilpons DONT LIKE HIM so hes is not comming here. I personally dont want him here because of his attitude. I hate to say this but if he was to play here I could see him being the next Plaxico Buress hanging out with his boys and somebody has a gun. So can we just stop with this and just worry about our starting pitching.
theres a major difference between Plaxico and Manny and for fear of not being “politically correct” i’m not going to explain why…
Both not smart…one has on the field problems..one has off the field problems…I’ll take on the field problems anyday of the week
Thank you for comparing Manny to Plaxico it proves how dumb some fans are…. If you are going to tell me you dont want Plax on the Giants then you arent a real Giants fan…. Last year Plaxico put that under achieving team on his back and won a Super Bowl…. If Manny came here and did half of what Plaxico did for us he would be a steal…. All you ignorant fans who live in the media and cant think for yourselves shut your mouth…. It is people like you who will make the Giants think we shouldnt bring Plax back….. He is our best player just like Manny would be…. Way to be so stupid that you proved the opposite of what your tryin to prove…..
The Giants would not have won a SB without Plaxico Buress.
if his contract is 2 expensive look at like this Manny will outlast delgado in there carrer as we all know this might be delgados last year in the national league atleast he will have to move to the DH role next year if he keeps on playing so what is the point of keeping him for this last year and have no solution at 1st or Power bat for next year i think you move in on Manny and sign him to 2 year deal right away and trade delgado to make up half of mannys contract. If you trade delgado to either the rays , angels , san fran , or boston
1 of those teams will be willing to give us one of there young cheap legit pitchers for delgado since there desprate for a power bat and would take on most of delgados contract.
So lets say one of those teams trade us 1 of there young pitchers we would get a pitcher in return and could be our #5 to compete with neise unless hes a real good pitcher and can slot in at #4 but lets say its a #5 pitcher
and they take on 10 million of delgados 12 million contract , that would be 10 millon being saved and going towards mannys contract which we would mean we would only be paying half of mannys contract for this sesaon with trading delgado and as for his 2nd year on the contract delgado will be gone by then so his 12 million is gone plus billy wagners 10.5 million will be gone that about 22.5 million so in the end your getting manny without going over budget which brings me 2 understand what are the wilpons waiting for i mean play the waiting game but please make an offer at the end of the day it makes to much sense for the mets
If the idea of signing Manny is ADD to the offense, what sense does it make to then trade Delgado and open another hole in the offense?
If Dan Murphy isn’t a good enough hitter in your eyes to play LF then why is he a good enough hitter to play 1B?
they believe that getting rid of Delgaod’s contract will make it more likely to sign Manny.
Personally i dont think it makes any sense…
yeah, it doesnt really make sense….they’re reaching for ways to make manny more feasible, when no one has even said that the money is the issue….So you get rid of delgado, then what do you do, platoon murphy and evans at 1st?? I’m not saying i’m not into the whole manny thing, but what point does that make….you’re not ok with tatis/murphy in lf, but you ARE ok with evans/murphy at 1st?? some silly stuff here….the really annoying part is that if we DO wind up having any conversations about manny, it will pretty much be the last thing we do this offseason, so we’re going to have to listen to this until what, february??? they have priorities, and are taking care of them in order of importance….Why does no one understand that right NOW, manny is a very LOW priority on the list of things that we NEED…
Manny has a much better bat than Delgado, and a lot more reliable. And offense with Murphy/Evans/w.e at first and Manny is lf is more dangerous than an offense with Delgado at first and Murphy/Tatis/Evans in lf.
I think most are missing the point. It has nothing to with money. Money is not the issue. THE WILPONS DO NOT LIKE MANNYS ATTITUE. And they are not alone. Many clubs don’t want him hence why nobody is is going after him.
It is painfull to read beyond 25 words of this ridiculously long run on sentence. I’m not huge on grammar, but c’mon man, a few periods would do.
I hate to say this but if he was to play here I could see him being the next Plaxico Buress hanging out with his boys and somebody has a gun.
Not sure what Plaxico, guns and his boys has anything to to with it. Manny is a pain in the butt, but I can’t say I have ever heard Manny getting into any serious trouble with the police. If you are trying to saying something more, then please by all means we would love to know.
That said, I think the headache might not be worth it.
exactly Manny is not “ghetto” only ghetto people hang around night clubs with guns
Manny was on the Red Sox for what 10 years??
It wasnt until his 8th year on the team that he became unhappy. I dont see why Manny, on a team full of latino players, would be unhappy here after 2/3 seasons…
I agree with you guys Manny isnt Plax, but if he produced like Plax did for the G-men then we are going to the World Series….. Sometimes you have to take risks to get rewards….. Manny is risk/reward #1…. I cant imagine how we have a bigger priority then winning the world series…. We all agree Manny’s talent will push this team to playoffs and world series contenders immediately, if this is true then why isnt he priority number one…… I know Omar will do the right thing…..
I don’t think it’s a definite no, but I doubt they will go for him.
I kind of agree with adb67 in that the personality is part of the problem with this team; however I’m not sure O-dog is the answer. That is while Texiera is a very good player, he is basically Carlos Beltran (a bit better hitter, but plays a less valuable position).
in 2006 the mets had Julio Franco and Cliff Floyd. Their talent was easily replaced, but the clubhouse presence is missing.
I don’t know who is the answer, but they do need someone there to shake up that team
Manny is the dude to stop the collapse in September. With him in the lineup that word word won’t even be said in regards to the Mets.
if it were up 2 me i would sign manny for 2 years 48.5 million
trade delgado to either the rays . san fran , angels or red sox for 1 of there young cheap starters that can fill in the rotation right away
but the team has to tkae up about 10 mill of delgados 12 mill contract
sign alex cora or hairston jr.
sign a left handed reliver
Let tatis play the Bench and help out Church in right field
Sign Rich Aurilla to a 1 year contract
Let Murphy play 1st with Aurilla splitting the time with him
And if we can get a legit young starter from one of those teams i mentioned for delgado and fill him in as the #5 to go with niese
i would then wait out for oliver perez and wait till his contract drops and offer him a year deal at our price
This makes no sense. You want to improve the offense by signing Manny. Then you want to trade Delgado and, no less, pay someone to take him.
So now you’ve spent $60m ($50m for manny and $10m for delgado to play elsewhere) for a marginal offensive improvement.
I would agree except the difference between Manny and Delgado isn’t close to marginal. We’re talking about nearly .200 points of OPS. The difference between him and Delgado is like the difference between Dustin Pedroia and Luis Castillo, offensively I mean, or Beltran and Endy.
manny would play alousy left field and there is no DH option.There will be days he ay not feel like playing.The Mets need to stay the course and get a starting pitcher.They also need to see how Ryan Church responds to time off to really heal.I woulodn’t throw any money at Manny-he is a great,great hitter-No Doubt but he really can become a headache and that’s what this team doesn’t need
as the season progresses more hitters will become available it always works that way
Manny might be a bad LF but he’s still better defensively than what he have now.
Tatis and Murphy never played OF until this season.
Manny might be a headache but thats what advil is for.
His .300 30 HR 100 RBI (minimum) and his ability to make every other hitter on the team better is well worth the bonehead plays he’ll make every once in a while
I don’t think gathering the players in a circle, having them hold hands and sing Kum Bay Yah would have stopped the late season folding. Clubhouse chemistry is far more important in Football, Basketball and Hockey than it is in Baseball. There have been winning teams where the players did not get along.
BTW Manny was not the Red Sox DH at Fenway or on the road. Manny is more than just a marginal upgrade over Delgado. Manny’s stats were not padded because he played at Fenway. He hits to all fields with power. What he did with the Dodgers last year borders on the incredible. Putting Manny in the Mets lineup would have the ripple effect of upgrading the entire lineup. But even if the Mets signed Manny they still would have to address their starting rotation problems.
92% of Mets fans want Manny on this team.
Curious to see how high that goes after the Mets sign Lowe
Philly won the world series with offense and a bullpen. We now have the bullpen. Now let’s get the offense. Manny single handedly transforms lineups and makes everyone around him better, and he wins wherever he goes for being such a cancer in the clubhouse. The wilpons should realize this. Sign him.
John Harper of the Ny Daily News says, “Lowe has been the Mets’ top target among starting pitchers all along, and a club source said Tuesday that GM Omar Minaya is far enough along in negotiations for the righthander that a conclusion could be reached between Christmas and New Year’s.”
The logic that the mets didn’t get manny because he was almost free last years makes no sense! They would have had to give prospects up number one, and two, they didn’t think this team could possibly falter so much again down the stretch from the offensive persptective. Also, was only a rental……
oleosmirf says:
December 24, 2008 at 11:47 am
92% of Mets fans want Manny on this team.
How bout we 92% don’t buy tickets next year if they don’t get him??
Yea everybody boycott the Mets we didnt get Manny but we just got two top closers in baseball.
this is one of the silliest comments i have seen on here…if we dont get manny, lets boycott the mets, or not be mets fans anymore….that is just ridiculous…
I am really curious to what Met fans really want….
If you had to pick one free agent to sign who would it be?
Lowe or Manny?
Lowe!
MANNY, HANDS DOWN.
29 BLOWN SAVES LAST YR
I THINK JJ AND FRANKIE CLOSE THAT GAP BY AT LEAST 95%.
so you want a starting rotation of johan, pelf, maine, and WHO, EXACTLY???? Get a hold of yourself!!! We still need pitchers WAY more than we need a big bat in left field….If we dont have starters who can go six innings, jj and/or krod will never get the ball with a lead to save!!!! Do you guys listen to yourselves sometimes??
no reason why they can’t have both.
LONGISLAND,
I HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, WE DO NEED TO SIGN LOWE, AND MANRAM MAY BE A BIT OF A LUXURY, HOWEVER, HE IS A LUXURY THAT WOULD TRANSFORM OUR LINEUP INTO A TRUE JUGGERNAUT.
OUR CURRENT LINEUP + MANRAM = A LINEUP FOR THE AGES PERIOD.
LONGISLAND,
GET A GRIP SON,
ANY CLOWN UNDERSTANDS OUR ROTATION NEEDS AND JUST LIKE OUR BP WAS ADDRESSED I BELEIVE THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
IT IS WITH THAT PREMISE IN MIND THAT I HUMBLY WRITE ON MY DESIRE TO GET MANRAM’S BAT INTO MY TEAM’S LINEUP
bucknersankles – quit writing in caps man its really annoying, makes me not want to read what you have to say
and to answer my own question…i want lowe
For once, I think the Wilpons are right. What was the big difference between the Mets under Manuel and the Mets under Willie? Call it fire, desire, grit, or whatever you like. Clubhouse chemistry is so difficult to define, but I think we can agree that Manny ain’t a team player. (For the record, those who have criticized Raul Ibanez as no worse in LF than Manny are overlooking Ibanez’s work ethic, commitment to staying in shape, and playing team baseball. I live in Seattle, so I’ve seen this guy; Philadelphia made a great pickup, there.)
So let’s suppose Manny were disruptive to team chemistry. But even if he weren’t, he’d eclipse players like Reyes, Wright, Church, and maybe Johan, who need to be the leaders. You could have Manny’s bat in the lineup and still not win. Incidentally, whatever you think of Orlando Hudson’s skills–and I agree, they’re declining–he’s been called a team player.
Several people have pointed out that the Mets’ failures on offense result from two or three dead spots more than a power shortage. A masher in LF would be nice, but I believe that if you solve the problem at 2B while putting a reasonable bat in LF, you’ve taken care of business. (A decent-hitting catcher would be nice, but Piazza’s long gone, now.) So this is what I propose:
If you’re willing to accept a Murphy/Tatis platoon in LF, take them at first base instead. Move Delgado to the Angels–we agree that he’s not about to hit 35+ dingers again–for player(s) who, perhaps with one additional piece from us, will bring Michael Young from the Rangers, who can play second. Meanwhile, trade Castillo for Jose Guillen in the my-headache-for-your-headache deal that has been mentioned from time to time.
I realize that Guillen is a nuisance. But is he worse than Castillo?
But whether any or all of this takes place, I think we need to realize that games are won and lost on the field, not on the back pages of the tabloids. So who cares whether the Yankees have the headlines? It’s irrelevant, and if you build a team around the way you think it will look rather than how it will play, you deserve to finish second.
You simply can’t argue that you’d like to get Jose Guillen and not Manny Ramirez.
From Wikipedia:
“In a game on August 26, 2008 in Kansas City against the Texas Rangers Guillen was involved in a confrontation with a fan in the stands just past the Royals dugout down the first base line. He made vulgar gestures and yelled profanity at the fan who had reportedly been heckling him for his lack of hustle. His coaches and teammates had to restrain him as he made his way towards the fan. The fan was removed from his seat.”
We could go on and on about Guillen’s behavior.
Also, Young is due $80MM over 5 years. No thanks. Grab Dunn/Burrell/Manny.
SIGN GUILLEN NOW ! …. LOL
i like your thinking, but i dont see omar moving delgago…i think they still think he del-got-some-left to contribute in 09..
i love michael young, and its not the fact that he is due 80 mil over the next 5 yrs that bothers me, its that we would need to trade for him, trade young prospects to the rangers for him, that has me second guessing,
also: that would be 3 huge trades in one offseason, (putz, delgado, and young as you have laid out there) i just don’t think that that is realistic
these are the two routes i would like to see the mets go in
lowe, manny, ohman, cora
if they dont sign manny:
lowe, ohman, garland, hudson, – trade castillo for guillen —maybe colleen hamels will make the mistake of pitching him up and in and he will charge the mound and get some much needed fight in this team
if the mets got manny without having to trade delgado i will be impressed
To answer the question above (Manny or Lowe), I’d take Lowe every time. In fact, if I could have it, I’d take Lowe AND re-sign Ollie.
when i watched manny on the dodgers last year he didnt look like no distraction he mind his own bussiness he did his job on the field and just laid back on the bench and watched the game and when his team got into some beef he was right in the opponents faces
thats all he needs to do here for 2 years do his job like hes always been doing and just lay back when hes on the bench like he did for the dodgers and he’ll be fine plus if Torre can handle him Jerry can as well
Derek Lowe closing in on deal with the Mets!
Merry Christmas
Where do you see that?
according to the Boston Globe, the Mets are on the verge of signing Derek Lowe to a 3 year contract.
On Michael Young…. If the Mets were to go out and pay 4 / 40 for Hudson, I would rather them go out and try and trade for Young. I would pay a premium for Young before paying for Hudson.
That said, I would not bring in Young. He makes so, so much money; money which I would rather spend on others. I would prefer to spend that money on Manny or Abreu / Dunn & a pitcher like Sheets.
LOWE!!!!
2 year deal to manny
-first year he is excited to play and wants to prove that he is still good
-second year he is playing for a new contract
What did he do this year in Boston while playing for a contract? Pout?
WITH MANNY THE MET’S TRULY BECOME THE BEAST OF THE EAST PERIOD.
yeah, i dont know why we are going totally crazy with this manny stuff….as far as needs go, we NEED lowe (and the TWO closers we got, instead of just one!!!) a LOT more than we NEED manny..(in all reality, we do NOT need him, he would be a tremendous luxury, but to say we NEED him is not true…)
LONGISLAND,
I HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING, WE DO NEED TO SIGN LOWE, AND MANRAM MAY BE A BIT OF A LUXURY, HOWEVER, HE IS A LUXURY THAT WOULD TRANSFORM OUR LINEUP INTO A TRUE JUGGERNNAUT.
OUR CURRENT LINEUP + MANRAM = A LINEUP FOR THE AGES PERIOD.
i am not arguing that point at all, in fact I completely agree with you…we would be RIDICULOUS with manny…(with the understanding that we have starting pitching, obviously) I was just responding the the people who were saying they’d choose manny OVER lowe, which is just ridiculous….Think about it, if we HAD made the playoffs last season, how far would we have gone?? what would our rotation have been? Johan, and pelf, obviously, then who would be 3 & 4?? Cross our fingers that we get the good ollie? pedro?? come on…now give me johan, pelf, lowe and maine as a 4 man rotation in the playoffs, I can definitely deal with that…
LONGISLAND,
AGREED.
AND YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT OLLIE, NASTY STUFF OLLIE VS DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE HOME PLATE IS OLLIE.
I HOPE THAT WHATEVER WAS WRONG WITH JOHN MAINE’S ARM IS REMEDIED, WE REALLY MISSED HIM IN DOWN THE STRETCH.
Ho, ho, ho
Merry Christmas Mr. Lowe!
Roll on, Omar!
Roll on!
I hope the deal with Lowe happens. But I just can’t accept that Manny has become a new Manny because he paid attention while he was with the Dodgers. He’s had such a history of tantrums and diva behavior–ridiculous for a player of his age and experience–that we can’t really tell whether he was simply playing for a new contract.
funny thing is, Manny playing like utter trash would be a better solution than platooning Tatis and Murph LF.
Yes, it would be more productive. But it still might hurt the team.
With Lowe now pretty much on board, we must sign Manny.
if we do actually sign lowe i think we should do whatever we can to dump castillo and sign hudson…i dont see hudson being too expensive and is a great upgrade.
i also think we should see what the yankees want for nady
since1963 says:
December 24, 2008 at 12:00 pm
For once, I think the Wilpons are right. What was the big difference between the Mets under Manuel and the Mets under Willie? Call it fire, desire, grit, or whatever you like. Clubhouse chemistry is so difficult to define,
63″- How many champtionships/world series has Manny been to?? Come on…
Probably not as many as Tom Glavine. I’m not sure what that proves. Why did Boston trade him, at tremendous risk to their season? Why has nobody picked him up? It can’t be just the money.
If his presence is so detrimental to the team than why did Boston put up with him for so many years? Could it be that in Baseball performance and chemistry on the field is more important than chemistry in the clubhouse?
LIMetfan74 says:
December 24, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Yea everybody boycott the Mets we didnt get Manny but we just got two top closers in baseball.
Exactly why the mets are not getting over the hump!! They go halfway which isn’t enough… typical met fan…
I hope it is just posturing by the Mets…….as long as Manny can be signed for no more than 2 years guarenteed (MAYBE a mutual 3rd year option) at a “non-insane” price, I think the Mets owe it to the fans of this team to at least “kick the tires” and make some sort of offer. Yes, I know about the diva attitude and the lack of defense, but that bat in the Mets lineup would be SCARY !!!
2 years at 50 million with an option for a 3rd
I know Manny has a bad rep but I dont see why he would be a bad influence here.
He was unhappy in Boston but he was very happy there in his first 8 seasons there.
I can understand if Willie’s “yankeeesque” rules were in place but Manuel seems like the easiest manager to play for…
This guy “gave up on his team” in a contract year – what are we to expect when he locks in to a guaranteed contract? I understand that Manny is (in all likelihood) a very competitive player who may have something to prove after this off-season…but those begging for Manny need to at least admit a good deal of concern about his effort. Also, Manny seems to be all about having fun. Not sure if that’s what the clubhouse needs right now.
That being said, the dude hit .396 with the Dodgers…he had a .489 OBP. I creamed my pants after reading those stats.
All in all, I’m hoping that this is just a smart negotiating tactic on Omar’s behalf. Manny has only a few suitors in this market, so perhaps Omar is just using Manny’s past behavior as leverage. A tactic like that would obviously make a lot of sense, and I hope that .489 OBP comes to Flushing.
i’d like to know why Manny wanted to leave the Sox so bad…
Manny wasnt a problem in Boston until his 8th season on the team
I dont see why Manny would instantly become a problem after signing here…
He requested to be traded in 2005-2006 (remember when there were rumors of the Mets being interested?)
From Wikipedia:
On June 5th 2008, during a game at Fenway against the Tampa Bay Rays, an altercation between Manny Ramirez and Kevin Youkilis resulted from Ramirez objecting to what he believed was excessive – and chronic – complaining about the strike zone by Youkilis in the dugout, as well as the first baseman’s penchant for throwing equipment after at-bats….According to three sources, Ramirez had told Youkilis to “cut that [expletive] out.”
Maybe it was just the players in the clubhouse that he didn’t get along with. The Mets clubhouse isn’t very diverse and it would um…better suit Ramirez? That may be an unfair statement to make since we know nothing about these players’ (i.e. the Sox and Mets) personalities inside the clubhouse, but on the surface it looks like a much better fit…And if it is, Manny will express a desire to get the Mets in on the bidding.
I’m tired of Mets fans “being torn” and “not being sure” about whether Manny is a good idea. So he’s a poor defensive fielder…it doesn’t matter. For every run this guy could potentially muster in the outfield he can get four more back with one of the best swings in the game.
Every team he’s on is a winner, this is a no brainer. We need an outfielder, he’s the best offensive player on the free agent market, do it.
guys, we are close to a deal with derek lowe. its on mlbtraderumors.
YES!!!!!!!!!!
sign lowe, sign dunn, and if you are that convinced our lineup is too LH trade church and nick evans for a RH hitting OFer (not a super star just a RH ryan church type)
Everyone says that Ramirez is a defensive liability. Guess what so is Murphy and Tatis. The man is clutch and if we sign him for two years it won’t be a bonilla or Mo Vaughn situation. Can you imagine how much better wright will be without any stress? Lets go for it. We can take the yankee plan for just two years. Lets do it.
Exactly, Number 57. There is absolutely no reason that can justify not bringing Manny here. This is an absolute no-brainer at this point.
in 2010 move Daniel Murphy to 1B, Fernando Martinez to LF. Build that core up!
Just think about the rotation with lowe…and krod and putz in the pen…i really think we are gunna be dominant…even if we dont et a bat……i do think omar is gunna do something with the offense tho..i just dont know what
why are comments taking so long to be “moderated”??
I would appreciate Murphy in the infield anyway…. Eventually he will be our first basemen unless Fmart doesnt pan out…. If we get manny and have to move delgado murphy will be moving a little sooner which can only be good for development…. We have to keep in mind whats best for the team and right now its gettin Murphy playing time and adding Manny….. Lets do work….
I am also on the fence about Manny, but I did watch a bunch of Red Sox games this past season and while he can sometimes be a lazy defender, he does get rid of the ball extremely quickly (when he can get to it in the first place). Sure, he’s a defensive liability but I don’t think it’s quite as bad as people make it out to be.
Bottom line–Mets get Manny and they win the NL
Manny is one of the best right handed batters of ALL TIME – anyone saying we should not get him is an idiot
the funny part is people are worried about clubhouse chemistry, yeah because we wouldn’t want to ruin the great chemistry that has allowed the team to collapse three seasons in a row
The Mets absolutely need Manny…just to compete in this market now that the trash across town has raised the bar. Not just compete in the market, but on the field too. The Mets need Manny Ramirez. Plain and simple…should they lose out, the only other acceptable option is Magglio Ordonez. Maybe something like this would be appealing to the involved parties?
DODGERS GET – Luis Castillo
DODGERS GIVE – Juan Pierre
TIGERS GET – Juan Pierre, Nick Evans, Marlon Anderson, Jeffry Marte
TIGERS GIVE – Magglio Ordonez
METS GIVE – Jeffry Marte, Nick Evans, Luis Castillo, Marlon Anderson
METS GET – Magglio Ordonez
Manny fall back option. Shoot, I’d still sign Manny, and include Church to get Magglio if I had to. I like that idea better….say Church instead of Marte and Evans…
1)SS – Jose Reyes
2)CF – Carlos Beltran
3)LF – Manny Ramirez
4)1B – Carlos Delgado
5)RF – Magglio Ordonez
6)3B – David Wright
7)2B – David Murphy
8)C – Brian Schnieder
Sign Ollie, Pedro, Omar Vizquel, and Beimel, and that’s an off-season we can be proud of. DON’T TELL ME WILPON DOESN’T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT!! At $6 profit per bottle of beer sold, 82 home games, and probably 30,000 bottles sold per game; that’s 15+ million on beer profit alone per year. Never mind hot dogs, pretzels, sausage and peppers, burgers, fries, nachos, merchandise, soda, etc…plus internet revenue, ticket sales, and all the advertising money they’re RAKING in from SNY…oh yeah, and league wide shared revenue….they easily have to be raking in I’d say around 400 million this upcoming season. 45,000 seats + say 50 bucks = 184 Million, 500 thousand from ticket sales alone…I jacked it up to an average of 50$ per because of the luxury boxes…believe that 400 million this season is a very real number, and might even be conservative.
Listen, the government dished out 700 billion dollars to bail out…who? There’s 350 million people in America. That means they could have given each and every one of us 2 BILLION dollars instead. Seriously, wouldn’t we have paid our loans off if we each got 2 billion dollars? That seems to me a better allocation of that money. Ok, sure everyone would stop working, and the economy would crumble, but they could have gave 50 billion to whoever got scammed from Madoff, gave every citizen in America 150,000 for a cost of 52 Billion 500 million….and between those two expenditures that’s still just 102 billion, 500 million. The banks needed all that, plus an additional near 600 BILLION, but we’re all going to get taxed more in January?
Gas prices needs to be raised? Cigarette prices need to be raised? Something is WAY Wrong. I’ll make a deal, I’ll keep my mouth shut if the Mets sign Manny, Oliver Perez, Pedro, and Vizquel or Easley + a lefty reliever. I “win” 25000$ in the next month, cigarettes on reservations are still allowed to be sold tax free, gas prices are kept somewhat “reasonable”, and a return of Manimal on some station….the choice is yours…or I can get my Fn Shine Box cause I’m feeling pretty tough..
Merry Christmas.
I like Ramirez, but I’d rather see him somewhere other than the Mets.
I’d prefer the Mets to address their pitching(Sheets, Ol Perez, Redding, Juan Cruz) and consider less obvious options for the open corner OF slot.
If the issue with Manny is his attitude, not money, then I expect the money they’re not spending on him to be used elsewhere.
Bring in Lowe of course, Dunn, Willie Aybar, another bullpen arm like Ohman and other 5th start type like Wolf or Redding, I like Wolf because he’s left handed but obviously it would depend on his cost.
NO MANNY.
The last thing we need is a clubhouse cancer with a losing attitude.
Way to post like you know what you are talking about.
What evidence is there that Manny has ever shown a losing attitude? He wins everywhere he goes, and there is a player who claims to love him for every player there is who says they don’t.