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According to Jack Curry at the New York Times, the Mets have made a three-year, $36 million contract offer to free-agent RHP Derek Lowe.
Curry writes, ‘The Mets are not willing to offer Lowe more than a three-year deal,’ though he is reportedly seeking seeking a five-year, $90 million deal.
…i can only guess that this is where the negotiations begin, so i wouldn’t be surprised to see either the years or the dollar amount change…but since i’m an optimist, hopefully this is where the negotiations also end…
Last week, the Boston Globe wrote, “The Mets appear to be closing in on a deal for Lowe,’ believed to be four years in length, or three years with a vesting option,’ and worth roughly $14-16 million per season.
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Get us Lowe, get us Lowe, get us Lowe!
theres no way we get lowe for 3 years 36.
my guess 3/42 with an option for 4th year which will be automatically given if lowe pitches a certain number of innings
That’s only 2 million more a year. It could go either way. I could see 3/40 but taking less salary this season to allow for Wagner’s salary to come off the books.
i think the 4th option year is more important to lowe than the 2 million. Still 2 million is a lot of money and if you know you can get another 2 million per year wounld’t you get it?
I agree with Regis (and Kathy Lee)…three years, $36 million sounds about right. They may need to bump up to near $40 million, ok. But I hope they stay at 3 years.
Let’s get this done.
Lets get it done, baby.
it will probably go up but this is not bad to start off with it will be great if we get him though that’s all care about.
i like the start. 36mil for 3 yr is very good for Lowe, thought I doubt he would go for that. Just don’t like giving a 36 yr old pitcher long term deal.
This is a lowball offer which runs the risk of “offending” Boras and his client. 3 yrs, 42 mil sounds more reasonable, from Lowe’s perspective, given what he was seeking. Of course, if no one else is pursuing him, he may have to take it. But I’m thinking that if this is where negotiations start, other teams could jump in.
Offending? You really think Boras is going to say “Nope Mets are out, I am offended”?
boras will then mention that there’s a mystery team offering 5 years, 100mill
Scott Boras, with a B
the issue for lowe is what other team is going to apply upward pressure on price? this negotiation is the mets’ to lose.
3/40 with it structured like this 8/16/16 would be great. That would allow us to sign Perez as well.
at would be sweeeeet
I don’t think most Mets fans realize that Krod took less this season too.
Now that is a deal that makes sense. 12 mill a yr. And only three seasons.
Only a fool would pay Derek Lowe 14-16 mill a season. And 4-5 seasons in length.
Really anything more than 2 seasons and 10 mill per season is nuts
tully dont be surprised when we sign him for 4 yrs
I think this would be a great signing…go get him Omar!
Git ‘er done, Omar!
are we gettin Manny?
nope
Please stop.
lol
there is still a chance we might get manny
who is gunna give him more?? tell me?? noone will..he will be ours at 3/36
I really would not be surprised to see another team get involved at that price and then we would have to give that 4th year option or a couple of million more.
package deal of lowe/perez/manny, offseason complete
He’ll be 36yo next yr and is coming off a +3 win W/L differential. He should be lucky to get 3 years.
You are right but in this market that is what pitchers get. When guys like AJ Burnett get what they did.
IMHO, the AJ Burnett signing will go down as one of the worst pitching signings, probably second only to Zito’s.
but more comprable to Pavano’s being as burnett will be on the DL 75% he’s a yankee. And what team signed Pavano again? Hmmm do I see a GM with a problem looking at medical records………. And how to bid on players correctly as to not drive the price up for yourself?
he also has averaged 200 innings and 15 wins over the last 10 years
Last 10 years? 12.1 wins 175 IP per year. At that rate, I’d rather sign the younger lefty OP.
Lowe, Perez and Dunn.
That will get us into the playoffs.
i do think we will make the playoffs without any of them except lowe…remember we were a game out for the past two years because of our bullpen…. now we have two of the best closers and are fine for the playoffs..those aquisitions would put us as wolrd series contenders
we need burrells right handed bat rather than dunn’s imo
We don’t have to have a right handed bat. We just need the best hitter we can get, left or right handed.
Lowe, Perez, and Dunn will equal no minor leauge system for years to come. lose 1st rd pick for KROD, 2nd rd pick for Lowe, 3 rd pick for Dunn… there’s got to be a better way
i disagree. better to sign a bunchof free agents in one yr as and loose 2nd, 3rd rd picks then loose your first round pick 3 years in a row
Giving up our draft picks for an entire draft could set us back big in the coming years, but if its true we give up nothing for Lowe, then he does have value at the right negotiated price/yrs.
We would also give up nothing for Abreu, so he has value a swell, but may not be an offensive fit for city field.
I just think the FA availble are just not that gd enough to forfit picks for.
I still dream of home grown talent and look forward to drafts.
lowe wasnt offered arbitration so we would only lose our first and second round draft picks and then get back simiar back if Perez signs elsewhere
Lowe was offered arbitration but Dunn wasn’t.
MLB.com is reporting NYT Lowe story too.
For all those who keep harping on the Get Manny, just forget it!
It is not going to happen. Mets need a SP and w/that SP costing 12-16MM/yr, the $$ pot will be bare-Wilpons have already stated they will not go over last yrs payroll.
They have never came out and said that. Infact based on most reports if Lowe signs for 13 million and we spent 8 on Krod we still have about 12-18 million left.
wrong! Jeff Wilpon has stated several times that Mets will not go over last yrs payroll and Mets will never pay lux tax. People need to get a grip on reality and pay attention to what is stated by team.
Plus,they don’t want the headaches Manny brings.
And your math is wrong. Pedro (13)+Elduqe (6)+Alou(8)=27-Putz(5)+Krod (8)+Lowe (13)=1 plus more for wright, reyes, etc. It equals last yr bascially.
Lowe or Perez will be the last major move.
Not true. Besides Putz’s salary equals out what we traded down to about .5 million. Not to mention that we are NO WHERE NEAR the luxury tax even if we spend another 20 million.
By my counts at the begining of the season with about a 5-10% increase as was actually suggested in real articles we had 42-48 million to spend at the begining of the offseason.
We spent 12 of it on Delgado. Bringing it down to 30 million. Then 8 on Krod bringing it down to 22-28. So as suming Lowe at 13 we have 9-15 million left unless the Lowe deal is creative as well.
Do your #s include Wags 11MM?. I don’t think so. He is still on the books for 09. That wipes out your surplus. And by your own admission, 9-15MM, is still not enough for Manny.
Yes, why would I have been dumb enough not to include Wagner? The Mets had 42 million to spend at least going into the offseason.
And I never said they had enough if both signed for large deals. However, if Lowe would take 10 million and Manny 18 for 2009 we easily have the money.
Perez had value as a minor move, now will be extreamly costly,,,, no value there. Perez should only be signed at a low cost which will never happen w/Boras.
Lowe would only be gd for a change of pace, if Omar feels has to mix it up, but not to jinx whomever signs him, but Lowe does in fact alot of innings under his belt already and could be due for the DL.
I think the pitching problem should be fixed by trade. then take a chance and sign a lesser value pitcher and 1 more solid reliver.
Id say we should target Ian Snell, hes coming off a bad year and could be had, with up side to follow. Plus surrender no draft pick. remember when omar got the low cost Oliver Pezez off a bad season. Which allowed monetary wiggle room for other positions to fill.
If no Manny why don’t we go after sheets instead. I can live with our offense with a
Santana
Lowe
Pelfrey
Maine
Sheets
rotation. What do you guys think?
Not going to happen. Too much money invested for a guy that most believe will break down again. Most likely they will just get an innings guy if they get Lowe.
Isn’t Lowe the innings guy. I think we could get Sheets for a bargain, and because our four starters are solid, we can afford to take the chance with Sheets.
He is Mookie but I don’t expect that to be the Mets theory.
first off, Sheets is no five starter. when he is healthy he is an ace, or two at worst. more like this:
Santana
Sheets
Lowe
Pelfrey
Maine
but i doubt they would get both. i don’t think omar is interested in another injury prone pitcher. personally i’d rather have sheets anyway. the guy is disgusting.
When he is healthy . . .
lowe/perez and burrell get it done
im not sure about burrell .
Lowe, Wolfe, Guardado. Then trade to fill bench.
I like it. I would wait around on Wolf and see what happens with Perez. And I would look to bring in a decent bat.
manny is possible
No to Burrell, no good in a pitcher’s park. His offense doesn’t make up enough for his horrible defense.
burrell does not hit for average
Who the hell cares about hitting for average? His OBP is fantastic. The point is that he wouldn’t be as productive playing his home games in a pitcher’s park.
Burrell is too streaky, his OBP is high but it’s a lot like Delgado in that he has about 2 good months a season.
I would much rather have Dunn or Abreu of that group.
The only one I would really want is Dunn. Burrell is streaky for power, but very consistent in plate discipline. He walks very consistently.
we need manny
Lowe or Perez will be the last major move.
Wilpons want payroll ot be about the same as last yr. There is only $$ for one last big splash.
yeah but why burrell .manny is way better
for all of you that say manny isnt happening. if the dodgers get dunn or abreu, manny will not go to the nationals, and hopefully making the wilpons ready to show some interest
manny could be sign for one year , its possible since the dodgers want adam and bobby ,[ i think they have adam]
Manny will not be a Met. There is no $$ to pay him and a SP.
Get in the real world
yeah there is if you sign him for one year and sign lowe and wolf
I think there’s some real doubt about John Maine’s progress. There hasn’t been a single word printed about him this off-season.
That was no simple procedure.
“Just sayin”
It doesn’t matter if Nats are interested in Manny.
Getting Manny and Lowe would cause Mets to pay lux tax. The Wilpons have be adamant about not paying lux tax.
Depending on what they sign for but check you math. It would not put us over.
The luxury tax threshold for next year is 162 million. The Mets are not close to that.
which its possible
will see what happens
Maine has stated that he is fully recovered and has begun throwing. Whether he is good to go will only be known come ST.
Haven’t NY fans seen enough old guys who come to Ny can stink it up or otherwise tick the press and/or fans off.
Manny will be a cancer by June if he comes here.
That cancer sure can hit.
Nice..Go get him Omar!!
i dont think thats going to happen.
Scoop
NY will have not seen a hitter of this Caliber since Mantle ..I’m not in love with Manny as a person but as a player he will put us in the series guarenteed!
Scoop,
a cancer?
r u kidding me? This guy brings life and ba–s to this team that we need to beat those phillies. He will put so much fear into this lineup, one cannot speak of.
Did you not watch what happened in Bos? All of his teammates including Ortiz wanted him out.
The first time he goes into a slump and jogs to first or lollygags in LF, the fans will boo him and he will flip someone the finger or not over poor old Jay Horowtiz….
If Manny is not a cancer why doesn’t he have offers from a dozen teams?
Orlando Hudson, Perez, Abreu, Burrell, and Dunn are all cancers?
They’re, however, not nearly the talent Manny is.
Not the point Deelee. The point is that the market is slow. Manny is asking for a lot and only wants to go to a winner. Thus, it’s going to take a while. He’s not going to get what he wants. None of those guys are.
I think that we want Lowe and someone else either Perez/Wolf/Redding to compete with Niese. I think we are going to make a major trade in at the deadline. Buster Olney believes that the Mets will eventually get the Astros to trade Roy Oswalt for a combination of their young pitcher – probably Pelfrey or Niese with other pieces.
Onley’s an idiot. Mets are not trading Pelfrey for Oswalt.
and where did you see this?
Burrell isn’t liked in the clubhouse. I believe the Mets get a year’s relief from the luxury tax next year because of the new stadium. If there ever was a time to spend a few extra million, it should be this year.
Sign Lowe, and then if you are going to spend on a LF, you sign Wolf. If you are going to go with the Tatis/Murphy platoon, then try to sign Ollie while the market is down. Remember, sometimes lefties don’t capture their control until they are around for a few years. Randy Johnson and Sandy Koufax were both extremely wild their first few years. That’s just an example, don’t hang me, I am not comparing Ollie to the Big Unit or Koufax. It would be crazy on my part to do that, I just couldn’t think of better comparisons. What I’m saying is, look at the difference when those two finally found the plate. They went from also-rans to HOF pitchers.
can matt block the word manny?
wilpons said no to manny but they now said it could happen if they could get him for one year
where and when did they say that?
Manny would be great. There’s no doubt, but it is absolutely, unequivocally not happening. 100% sure it is not happening.
im just making a point
put they really said its a possiblility
when?
Manny would be great. There’s no doubt, but it is absolutely, unequivocally not happening. 100% sure it is not happening.
im sure the mets will sign manny for one year if manny cannot find any other team
can Oliver Perez aceept arbitration this late? because you never know if he can he might accept arbitration and try the better market next year.
No, he cannot.
Even if he could he would not. He could easily get at least a 1 year 12 million dollar deal. In arbitration he would get near nothing.
no dont trade pelfey he has a lot of potential just land lowe and work from there.
Wiplons said no to Omar on Manny lst July when it would have cost nothing. They don’t want him here. Even if he came for nothing!
Nothing? Fmart is defintely something.
forget lowe-MANNY IS A GAME CHANGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lets get real hear wilpons. stop screwing around. the Phillies won the W.S. w/ one good pitcher and a good bullpen.
Get nelson doubleday back. he’ll make the move if your scared again.
The Wilpons are great owners. Omar is taking a great approach by signing Lowe and Manny Ramirez will never be a Met, let it go.
hey bro, the wilpons were afraid to sign Piazza. how did it work out when they were forced into it? Huh?
This is the same situation but doubleday is
gone and the wilpon lost a ton of $$$$
to madoff. i know they won’t do it. BUT THEY SHOULD BE DOING IT. COMPRENDE????
LOL…wow, you just don’t get it. Think all of that through. LOL
hahaha Don’t OD on the kool aid.
What people fail to understand about signing Manny is that the first time he strikes out it would be all over.
He would be like Heilman A-Rod and Marbury all rolled into one.
It would be the shortest honeymoon in sports.
The Man Child is too fragile for New York.
I’d like to know when Fred or Jeff said they might be interested in Manny for one year. That would be on the back page of every newspaper in the metropolitan area. And if they did, don’t you think Omar would have a one year $28 million offer on the table already?
The Wilpons never said they’d be open to it. Manny will never be a Met. Even as nice as it might be.
I NEVER SAID WILPONS WERE OPENED FOR MANNY
“wilpons said no to manny but they now said it could happen if they could get him for one year”
Look kid, don’t come here and make stuff up. You’re welcome here as long as you want to chat and have a good time, but not if you’re going to come making things up.
well there is no way Manny is getting paid 28 million a year. We would have a 1 year 20 million dollar deal and possibly go up to 23-24 million but no further
YEAH BUT MANNY AGENT WANTED MORE THAN 3 YEARS AND NOW THE YEAR ARE GOING LOWER
I would deal Neise for Oswalt. Oswalt is a big time pitcher. He makes a lot of money, but I have always held him in the highest regard.
Yeah, but Houston would never make that deal. Sheesh, if star pitchers were GIVEN away every team would jump at them.
Drayton McLane would have to be really hurting for money to make that trade. Don’t get me wrong, I almost cried when the Orioles backed out of that deal when wewerethisclose to getting Oswalt at the trading deadline a couple of years ago.
What a great idea!!!! but a better one would be peavy for neise and the padres pay ooooh i dont know all of peavy’s salary.
LOL, yeah and while we’re at it we can trade Parnell for Chase Utley. LOL
no way i like Parnell!!!!! it would end up being Castillo stright up for Utley
Good point. If we give up Parnell we should get hmmm…let’s see it would have to be a three way deal where we got Hanley Ramirez and Carlos Zambrano. It’s only fair.
ITS UP TO THE METS TO BRING BACK THE PLAYOFFS TO QUEENS
As Mr. Spock would say “That is logical”
Umm, yes, yes it is. Did it really require all capital letters for something so obvious?
[YOUTHMOVEMENT] Omar DID NOT PUT A ONE YEAR DEAL BECAUSE MANNY’S AGENT WANTED MORE THAN 3 YEARS AND THE METS DID NOT WANT THAT .
I was making a comment to a post on the previous page where someone said that the Wilpons’ would be interested in Manny if it was only for one year. So I asked him where and when that was said, because IF the Wilpons said that, don’t you think Omar would have made a proposal, but since nobody has heard or written about it except a blogger on this site, it was just a hypothetical question..
Going back, it was you who said he heard the Wilpons would be interested if the deal was only for one year. I just want to know where you heard or read that.
Wasn’t this supposed to be about Lowe?
Yes but there is a group that is so Manny-fixated that every thread turns into:
OMAR GET MANNY!!!!
WILPONS OPEN YUR CHEKBOOK GET MANNY!!!
ONLY MANNY WILL BRING THE WORLD SERIES!!!!
Yeah the Manny-ites are taking some of the fun out of the board. I wish the Dodgers would just sign him so we could be done with Manny.
Yea I get what you mean, but now that Lowe is practically in the bag, I think we should be focusing on Manny or Orlando Hudson. I happen to believe that Manny would bring a more positive impact on the team than Hudson. If the Wilpons REFUSE to sign Manny (which they are basically already doing) then go ahead and emphasize on Hudson. Yet it is still a bit silly to TOTALLY rule out Manny. And something should be done about C.
Oh, And Happy New Year Met Fans. May It Bring Us Joy and Contentness.
WHAT A LOW BALL OFFER… at least make us beleve you are trying, he wants 5/90, so you go with 3/36? why not just offer 3/45… give him half and be done with it….
Why?
Agreed. It’s a solid opening offer. I think we’ll end up with him for less than 3/45.
the 5/90 offer was Boras trying to up the market the most he would ever get was 4/65
I understand he needs to negotiate, but don;’t think you’re going to sign him for the same price as k-rod, i mean part of negotiating is showing respect, it’s like f we went to Texiera and offered 6/136, it doesn’t make sense, at least offer 3/4 at the start…i just want something to happen already, i’m sick of coming on this site and seeing rumors about andruw jones and castillo, i want them to sign someone, anyone , even if it is alex cora, it’ll be better then rumors about us trading a chicken, a horse and castillo for the reds catching equipment…
But there were about 10 teams in on Tex. There’s only 1-2 on Lowe. Big difference. Same thing with Krod.
So the Mets should sign him for more than they have to because you are bored? LOL.
I buy the tix, the jersey, even the #$%^n mets underwear. (okay okay not really) but i put a good part of my life into this team. Yes i would not mind omar coming on this blog and seeing posts like “…i’m sick of coming on this site and seeing rumors about andruw jones and castillo, i want them to sign someone, anyone , even if it is alex cora,…” and does that, it would be nice if that happened for a change yes.
haha…show respect….these players are making double and triple digit millions to play baseball, if a ballplayer finds an offer of 3 years 36 Million as an insult and disrespect, well, i dont know what to tell ya.
i ddin;t mea respect in that he should just be handed 20 million a season, but the guy has been in the league for ever and is a proven #2 if no longer a #1, they should offer this contract to ollie… just because that is what he is worth, i think lowe is worth more the 3/36… he is definitely worth more what Burnett got…
thats good
i will love to have manny but we dont really need him that much. i not saying that we dont need manny but last year was almost all about bullpen
Well said. All the things that went wrong with the Mets last year, and they finished 3 games behind the Phillies, who’ve basically replaced Kyle Kendrick with Chan Ho Park and Pat Burrell with Raul Ibanez. Doesn’t exactly scream “only Manny can top that” to me.
Manny who? Sanguillen? Now that guy could hit, what a free swinger, hits like Vlad Guerrero does now. I think he’s retired now, though.
Just trying to put some humor in the rumor…
I think it was Sanguillen who had a great baseball card one year when I was a kid. Horizontal format, Manny in his catcher’s gear, leg out blocking the plate from an incoming baserunner as the throw comes in.
Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times reports that Scott Boras has contacted Dodgers GM Ned Colletti regarding the future of his superstar client Manny Ramirez.
The contact was likely motivated by a recent Times piece that quoted Colletti as saying Ramirez was the Dodgers’ “first choice.” Boras may be feeling pressure to get a deal done for his client, as recent rumors have connected the Dodgers to Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu. If the Dodgers were to sign one of those free agents, they would likely no longer be interested in Ramirez.
With the list of potential suitors for Manny already shrinking, taking the Dodgers out of the picture would probably force some creative thinking on the part of Scott Boras to get his client signed.
If I remember correctly, wasn’t he the 1st one to throw to second from the squat because he got so low?
Oh, and for all the Manny watchers, go to MLBTR – just posted that Boras has called back the Dodgers.
get lowe!
manny aint coming here hes 38 years old people!
Not that i really want him here, as great a player as he is. He is 36(37 in may).
w/e
One of the first to throw from the squat was Fermin Guerra, a Cuban Catcher that play for the Senators, PHA and Boston.
i just heard from a source of mine which shall be nameless that Lowe accepted the 3 year 36 million dollar offer given to him by the mets.
actually to be completely honest the source is in my head.
Yes i am that bored lol
jacka$s
lol come on if i was a jacka$s i would not put that it is a lie in the same post
ur the jacka-ss for actually beginning to believe him…”a source that shall be nameless”….how can u possibly fall for that
lol also saying
“actually to be completely honest the source is in my head.”
i mean come on i was having fun
i was a kidding jacka$s not an angry jacka$s
it was a kidding jacka$s not an angry jacka$s
let me ask a perfectly honest question to all the manny lovers:
if the mets don’t sign him, will all of you go bonkers cursing the wilpons for being cheap? i mean, the mets came right out and said they didn’t want him on the team and have never wavered.
this is not vlady 2.0. the man is 37 next season, is a complete malcontent, and will demand a huge contract all while playing disgusting OF and failing to run out grounders and popups. while he may hit, he will certainly alienate himself and his teammates..
the team has made it clear, so please don’t crush them when manny signs elsewhere.
people treat Manny like a god around here, like he’d be able to duplicate his last 2 months of the season with the Dodgers. He’d be good, don’t get me wrong, an improvement, but over the course of the season, he’s not going to be the difference maker. How many runs we give up will, and Manny certainly doesn’t help that. People make him out to be this “winner” player, I mean, look at the teams he was on, they’re all loaded. He’s a great player, but this idea that he has a winning attitude needs to go. We need to sign a pitcher, and I’m confident the Mets will sign either Lowe or Perez. There simply aren’t enough teams around to jack up their prices, and the Mets have the most money among the remaining teams (besides maybe the Sox on Lowe, but idk if they’re really interested). I just don’t see the worry with the offense. I’m down for improving, but signing Manny will probably limit our ability to further improve the pitching. Plus, Wright and Reyes are both one year closer to their peaks, so I’m thinking big things there.
ahhhhh, the sweet sound of logic
I understand that their is a backlash against Manny he’s not the easiest of players to root for and that’s putting it nicely. Having said that Manny has always hit a ton and shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon of this there is no doubt.
While not a Gold-Glover he is by no means “disgusting” If you do not agree look at his fielding stats and you will be quite surprised.
While I must confess I do not have the pulse of Boston fans or media. I do not recall ever hearing constantly a call for Manny to be sent packing by fans or of constant bickering among teammates other than this year.
Failing to run out grounders or pop ups sadly is a sign of the times even our own core players have had run ins about this same issue.
Is this Vlady 2.0? Depends how you look at it. If memory serves me correct the Mets chose not to go after Vlady one of the reasons used was they were afraid of his back at the time plus I believe some concern if he could mentally handle NY.
Mets don’t want Manny but they never said it was because he was too expensive and it can’t be they are worried he can’t handle NY. Boston can be just as bad. It also can’t be they think he won’t hit, this is all he has ever done so it must be they are “AFRAID” of the circus he brings.
The mets were afraid to sign Vlady and are afraid to sign Manny.
Maybe this is Vlady 2.0.
Will I curse the Wilpons? No, but I expect them to push to field the best team possible. I simply ask to give Manny the recognition he is due.
Remember, To be great You sometimes have to face your fears.
Lowe/Wolf/Bradley, we need a right handed bat in the outfield, I think Bradley will fit in NY, we have so many crazy ppl. in the city that one more is not going to make any difference, beside the best shrinks live in NY.
3/36 M is not a bad opening offer, the Mets will not pay more than 14M, beside who else is there for Lowe, Boston just signed Penny, so they will not go after Lowe, he made 10M last year, he is not going to make more than 42M/3 years.
Is the Penny deal confirmed?
And does anyone know jack about the defected Cubans? (More SPs on the market mean prices come even further down… the 3/36– if legit– makes sense.)
Yes, garfios… but all the physical therapists in the 5 boroughs won’t be able to keep him on the field for more than 50 games. Bradley’s a part-time OF at best these days (check his GP distribution the last 3-4 years).
That said… he’d be fun.
He played 126 games last year, he is in his prime , he should be calming down a bit, if he gave us 140 games with Murphy/Tatis to pick him up when he is not in the line up, it could be great, beside he will not cost as much as Dunn/Burrell not to mention the other head case.
What is going on with this blog? You post something and it disapear, I’m out of here.
The Mets almost never go after Cuban Stars, they sign Toca, Abreu (he got good power) etc. but they don’t sign the Duques (12 years ago) or Viciedo this year (the kid is a monster) or Ramirez last year, we will not been having this 2B/LF problem is we had signed Ramirez the guy can play SS, 2B, 3B and the outfield and he is not a liability in any pos. and he can hit, 26 years old and not yet in his prime.
It seems a bit arbitrary to criticize the Mets specifically for not signing Ramirez last year. He signed for only 4 / 4.75. There were 28 other teams that significantly undervalued him as well.
There’s little reason to bid against themselves. Lowe’s a good pitcher but given his age, the economy and the lack of the Yankees OR the Red Sox in the bidding, 3/36 is pretty much what Lowe should hope for. More than 12 AND 4 years from anyone else? Not likely. I could see the Yankees matching that bid and figuring they could turn around and trade Wang for a star but the problem is they’re already sitting on too many outfielders and the 2 or 3 catchers worthy of trading Wang aren’t getting traded for Wang.
The reality is that with Lowe and Perez still out there and no rich suitors, they should work hard and keeping Lowe’s contract as reasonable as possible so that there’s a chance of bringing in Perez as the #5 starter at 3 to 4 years ($10M a year).
Murphy/Tatis can’t both be backups. To relegate Murphy to a backup strikes me as a severe misalocation of resources.
Manny would be nice, and he’s probably as much of an improvement over Murphy as Lowe is over Perez: about 2.5 wins. The thing is we would have to spend $$$ for Perez while we have Murph for free, so in terms of value for dollar, it’s no contest. Lowe. I’m not balking until it’s $56M for 3 years.
Manny would give the Mets 2.5 Wins over Murphy are you serious???
Manny will hit more HR and RBI by the all star break than Murphy will hit all season.
If Manny is brought in Murphy will see time at RF, 2B, LF, 1B and 3B and probably get around 300 AB maybe more if he can be an adequate 2B or if there is an injury…
5yrs/90 million is absurd for a 36 year old #3 pitcher
Wow, that is pretty lowball. Just like the guy on the MLBtraderumors site said: “I’d be willing to bet that half the teams in baseball would offer 3 years/36million to Lowe”
That’s pretty lowball, Freddie. I think 3/42 or 3/45 would have been a better starting point. What the Mets offered is almost a borderline insult.
It’s all negotiating. Omar knows there’s no way Lowe will accept that, but he starts off with it, and it’ll increase as negotiations get deeper.
Omar knows what he’s doing. He did the same exact thing with K-Rod.
Lowe will be a Met sooner than later…
I personally am SICK of the extra sentence that keeps getting tacked on to the “sign Manny” chants. It’s one thing to want to sign a great player, but to over and over insist that with this player we will be guaranteed to win the world series, or that Fred Wilpon has the power to bring back 1986 by spending some money, is disgusting and completely the opposite of what baseball is all about. The baseball gods are fickle, and no one knows what’s going to happen in the playoffs. Look at the Cubs and Angels this year. Saying that your team is a lock to win the world series may fly in the Bronx, but please keep that garbage out of Queens.
the World Series is a hit or miss and has more to do with luck than anything else
that said Manny pretty much gaurantees a postseason appearence. after that it is the pitching, the clutch hitting, smart coaching and luck that will take you far
his skills aren’t going to go anywhere but down through any contract. 3 years is fine with me, 4-5 years is asking too much
as far as we know the mets are the first people to put an offer on the table and its the 30th there’s obvious little interest in lowe, 3 teams or so
i’d rather pay less to get a younger Perez and plug the #5 spot with redding until niese develops
Perez is awful. let him go someplace else and collect the 1st rounder…
Oh, and I am so happy with the way this Lowe situation has worked out. We targeted him early, and for a while it looked like we had no chance, and now it seems we’ll get him–and at a reasonable price too! He’s a workhorse. I love Ollie, but he ended up pitching every game I went to at Shea last year and it killed my nerves to know that no lead is safe with him and that he may stop throwing strikes at any time. If you notice, the fielders all looked tired when he pitched too. He just doesn’t get ground balls. That being said, I’d love to have him back (as someone wrote on this site: “he’s a headache, but he’s our headache”), but I’m glad Omar wants Lowe first.
I bet the Mets get Lowe for 3/40 with a possible option making it 4/54. Also, we are not the Yanks, a wannabe fantasy team on paper with wooden stars (A-Rod, Tex, Matsui). Ollie was worth the Nady deal, no doubt. He gave us good games and some bad. Game 7 in 06 was great. Every Yankee start was great. I still don’t trust at 12-14 million a year. Lowe I do. Manny is a huge risk at anything over a year. Now, Oswalt would be phenomenal. Tell me you wouldn’t do Niese and Fernando Martinez for him??? I would in a minute!!! Johan, Lowe, Oswalt, Pelfrey, Maine…? Hell yeah!!
Could Fernando be Ryan Thompson or Alex Ochoa??? Who says Carlos Gomes isn’t the same in Minnesota?
Let’s hope they can get Lowe!
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I am sure I am not the only one, but man, I really want Manny to sign someplace. I don’t care if it is the Mets, Dodgers, nats or some team in Japan, but please just get him off the market!
Hopefully Lowe gets signed soon for 3 years. Not the biggest fan, but 3 years at “reasonable” money should help stabalize the rotation. And sometimes you need dependability over upside potential or flash!
If they Get Lowe, Omar can really nail down a great off season (and have a solid team) with just a couple more moves. And I expect they may come from out of no where (like the Putz deal).
Still could use 1 more RP (but that can be handled in ST). A solid MI back up that can play FT if needed. And a legit RH OF bat so Tatis can hit the bench. And of course a 5th starter, but again, that might be ST.
Maybe a flyer on Sheets? That could be interesting… Even Wolf for 1-2 years..
But, if they get Lowe, the heavy lifting is done. But I would still love to see a young 2B or C show up from somewhere!
Just as the Mets are taking advantage of the apparent lack of interest in Lowe (NYD states Sox and Phils not interested in Lowe), the Dodgers are putting the squeeze on Manny/Boras by showing interest in other corner OFs.
I’d bet Manny is a Dodger shortly after Jan1 and Lowe is a Met after Jan 1 unless Boras holds the processes up.
Hopefully he does not so that the chants for Manny subside. By I’m sure people on this board will go crazy when Dodgers sign Manny to a 2/50 deal.
is anyone else midly concerned that we have yet to add a fifth bat to the reyes wright beltran delgado core combo that got us 1 run in game 7 in the three years since?
not yet. There is still time, and other than Tex and Ibanez, not that much has happened with position players.
Seems like Omar was telling the truth that he wanted to deal with his 1st priority, pitching, well first!
I think the rest (being satisfied with the lineup) is partly true, but also blowing some smoke. I’m thinking there will be at least 1 big move coming to retool the lineup.
Might not be a Manny level move, and it will come after the rotation (Lowe) is dealt with. But could be interesting.
LF upgrade is an obvious possibility. But I hope he manages to pull off a move for C or 2B, which IMO are much more glaring weak spots. C mostly because 2B is so bad.
Maybe he can still snag Molina for not too much talent? Hey, he is saving money elsewhere!
all hypothetical of course, but if he added the RH power bat at C, LF should be fine (although I still want to see a better RH option than Tatis), and even 2B can be “hidden” temporarily.
i really dont mind a murphy/tatis platoon because i think murphy can really hit. the problem is we are stuck with castillo at second and we would have to give up too much to get molina. omar can’t part with neise or parnell and i doubt he would trade martinez or flores either. manny is the best bat on the market by far and i really believe its most feasible to put him in left field, make murphy our infield utility man, a solid upgrade over an alex cora type (fingers crossed castillo goes down and he can play second), and have tatis as our pinch hitter. it solidifies our bench which would maybe help us tack on those runs we havent been scoring in the later innings. and manny really is the fifth bat we need.
The Union needs to sit down with Boras.
These guys have about 50 days til pitchers and catchers report and he’s holding up the entire process. Sure a few top level guys get super rich, BUT the rest of the pack, who have to find homes, schools, etc are waiting and waiting to find out what team they will be playing for.
Too much power for one man…
i say we flip murphy and tatis to the yankees for nady… oh sweet nady how we have missed you….