The Rays are close to signing free-agent OF Pat 
Burrell to a two-year, $18 million deal, according to Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com.
Speaking of outfielders…
Rosenthal believes free-agent OF Milton Bradley will eventually sign with the Cubs for more money than Burrell.
I’m thinking, if Burrell is getting two years and $18 million, and Bradley will likely get three years and roughly $30 million, then Bobby Abreu may be had for a deal similar to Burrell, and Dunn could end up signing for one year. And, if Dunn is available for one season, and only one season, and maybe even less than $8 million, I hope the Mets consider him, despite him being yet another left-handed bat.
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good signing by the Rays. Appropriate money and short term for a guy that should be a DH and mostly hit against lefties (and “easy” righties).
Looks like a few guys (dunn too) are going to get a lot less than they expected a few months back! Not that you can’t live on 8M a year I guess (if you are frugal).
Hopefully this means a bunch of dominos are going to start falling, and once that happens, teams will be scrambling to lock up whoever is left.
go to youtube.com and look for “FERNANDO MARTINEZ MOONSHOT IN VENEZUELAN WINTER LEAGUE”
Look, I get that Manny is a pipedream…but Omar IS aware we need a LF, even if it is not Manny…isn’t he?!?
The thing is, we have players who can adequately play LF. They won’t be superstars, but they won’t be black holes either.
We have no one to adequately be a #2 (or #5!) starter. Fill the gaping holes, then worry about minor upgrades.
The problem is when you’re carrying below average players at 2nd and catcher and question marks at first and rf it doesn’t really make sense to go with “adequate” players in lf when there are sure fire upgrades available, and you want to contend.
What Gina said.
Amen, Gina.
Yeah…but unless those sure-fire upgrades will come free or will throw 200 innings they’re pretty moot. If my pile of money is only so big and I have a few huge holes and a few small ones, shouldn’t I use it to fix my biggest problem first? Personally, I think the money is better spent getting a SP (read Lowe) than a LF. We need pitching, period.
We have players that can play LF. Who do you propose pitches the day after Johan?
Why is Delgado a question mark at 1B?
Nah, we have Tatis and Murphy (eyes rolling)
i love the idea of signing Dunn (2 yrs 19 mil.), this way we can put Murphy in 2b for some games and we have a 1b for next year (Dunn) and if we want to trade him , it will not be that difficult (9.5 mil. exp. contract) This way wecan save almost 22 mil. next year.
talking about Lf , go to youtube.com and look for “Fernando Martinez moonshot in venezuan winter league”
it was a bomb!
Who cares?
Enjoy Milwaukee, Willie…
Very interesting. 9 million a year for Burrell? It seems as if Manny i becoming the odd man out. The yearly amount is the most peculiar part of this post. I do not see any reason why we should not be able to upgrade left field.
I’d love Manny, but I am skeptical that he will actually wear a Mets uniform. That being said, we do need an upgrade in offense. Whether this upgrade comes from LF, 2B, or C remains to be seen.
Given the surplus of OFers, I’d say we will upgrade in LF, but again, it will be at Omar’s price in his best anti-Cashman impersonation.
too bad murphy cant play an adequate second base. would solve all of our problems/pipe dreams. we’d be forced to get abreau/dunn or manny if tatis was our everyday guy in left.
although he’s not really adequate at any position
Says the guy who wants us to sign David Eckstein. That’s one for the books.
The Mets will NEVER sign Dunn. His value can only be seen in the numbers like OBP and this team still thinks RBIs is a telling stat.
even though i’m not a fan of Dunn at all, 1 year at 9 million would be hard to p-a-s-s up considering he’ll hit his 35-40 HR so he’ll be a type A at the end of the year which nets us the first rounder when he re-enters the market.
Get Milton Bradley! That guy is a beast when healthy and would instantly become the toughest position player on our team.
he’s also a ghetto thug and a 1 year wonder
A ghetto thug he is and I love that about him. A one year wonder he is absolutely not.
He can be like our Kevin Mitchell of 1986!
He’s not on the field enough!
Agreed unfortunately. An AL team signing him makes sense, but not a team that’s going to be asking him to play every day.
Has anyone ever been less respected than Dunn? This guy has hit 40 homers for 5 straight years! No Met has ever done it for 2 straight years. I know he has a bad BA, and strikes out a lot, blah blah blah. Noone is calling him a perfect player, but he is still a 40-100-.390 OBP guy. Plus he just turned 29. If he has to sign a 1 year contract for less than 8 million that would be a joke (in comparison to what everyone else in baseball is making).
agree – he is a great one year solution and would be a better fit then Abreau
Why sign him for just 1 year? In this market, lock him up for a few years cheap, if he’ll take it. Buy low, sell high, shouldn’t that make sense?
Yes it does make sense. That is what I am saying. If guys like Dunn and Abreu are being so undervalued, than take advantage of their skills at these “low” prices for more than just one year.
Its seems like everyone is only focusing on the flaws of these players and not their positive attributes. Apparently Dunn is only a guy who strikes out a lot, is slow, and hits for a low average. I guess he is not a monster power hitter and on-base guy. And Abreu is just a guy who is scared of the OF wall, and might be slightly more “quiet” than his numbers suggest. I guess he is not a guy coming off 6 straight 100+ RBI, 98+ run seasons, who steals bases and is a decent OF despite his fear of the wall.
Obviously these guys are not perfect (although Abreu is not that far off) otherwise they would be getting 8 year 180 million dollar Teixeira deals. Nobody is claiming that they are. But are they worth 1/10 of Tex? I think so.
I say we should get abreu if we can get him as cheap as you suggest…I would even give 3 years and 30 mil…we can afford to add a lefty bat if hes in the 2-hole…which abreu would be…reyes, abreu, wright, delgado, beltran, church, castillo, scnedier, pitcher against righties and reyes, abreu, wright, beltran, delgado, castro, church, castillo, pitcher against lefties…weak bottom but very strong top 5 to 6.
Not to take anything away from Dunn, but isn’t Cincy a tiny hitters park?
ummm obviously you have never seen highlights of Dunn’s HRs.
It is but Dunn hit better on the road. And he’s not a line drive hitter that occasionally hits one over the fence. He hits bombs.
In 2008, Dunn hit 21 home runs at home, and 19 away (in 30 less at bats).
Last year, Dunn slugged .493 at home and .535 away. GABP is a hitters park, but since Dunn’s game is based on tape-measure power and working the same strike zone he has in any ballpark, a move out of Cinci shouldn’t diminish his value any. Why people keep bringing this up with Dunn, where it’s not much of an an issue, but not with O-Dog, who plays in an even more hitter friendly park which clearly helps him considerably (home/away SLG splits: .536 / 381), I have no idea.
Because people are dumb, and reality is complicated.
Smart enough to know you’re a d!ck.
But not to know he’s right?
As always, Gina posts so I don’t have to! Thanks for making the comments tolerable, Gina…I’ve been meaning to say that for a couple days. Rationality is prevailing!
Burrell to the AL? Good riddance! While it would be nice to get a Bradley/Dunn caliber left fielder, the Murphy/Evans platoon has proved to be adequate. The same cannot be said about our 2B and the back end of the rotation. Prioritize!
I would prefer Abreu to Dunn. Dunn is Dave Kingman batting left handed. Slow runner, horrible fielder and strikes out a ton. If Burrell got $16 mi for 2 then we can get Abreu at $18 mil for 2. He’d be nice in the 2 spot cause he gets on, can hit to all fields and takes a lot of pitches.
I wouldn’t pay more for Abreu than what Burrel got. Not to mention Abreu is also a horrible fielder, actually makes more outs than Dunn, lower obp and Dunn hits for way more power.
Abreu is getting more than Burrell without blinking an eye. He made 16 million in 2008, had a good season, and is an overall better player than Pat Burrell is. You think he’s not going to get 2 yrs for 16mil?
How did he have a better season and why would he get more?
I didn’t say he had a better season, and I think that he’d get more because he is a better player than Burrell is.
Gina, where are you getting your info on Bobby Abreu? His career OBP is .405 compared to Dunn’s .381. Dunn has only finished a season once with a .400 OBP. Granted, Abreu has an allergy to outfield walls, but he is still a decent outfielder with an above average arm and can cover alot more ground than Dunn. Abreu actually won a Gold Glove in 2005 with Philly. Dunn is a one dimensional offensive player who either strikes out, walks, or homers. Abreu, even though getting up in age can still run the bases, walks alot and really can work a pitcher, and hit .290 (.300 career avg.) with alot of extra base hits. I give Dunn the power edge but thats about it.
Dunn takes a lot of pitches too (122 walks). Also, Abreu makes contact and hits into double plays. Dunn will strike out, but that can be a good thing because he won’t kill rallies with a double play. If he strikes out, at least he gives the guy hitting behind him an opportunity.
Well, if Dave Kingman could walk more than 50 times a year, or play 150 games (which he did ONCE!) he still would not approach Dunn’s stats. Kong was a cool spectacle for the fans, but Dunn is a much, much more valuable player. Slow runner, horrible fielder, this is true of them both for sure.
But Dunn has 40 HR and 100 BB 5 straight years. That is rare for anyone, and never remotely come close to by Kingman. Think of how much 40 HR and 100 BB almost guaranteed would add to our lineup. And maybe batting ahead of Wright in the 2 hole Dunn could do even better. If Dunn could be had at this point for like 2/in-the-low-20s, with his production, we would be nuts not to try and get him.
Haha, says Kingman. I totally agree — I’d sign Dunn for as many years as his agent allows in this market. He’ll never get to hit 2, though. We’re far too by-the-book. But hopefully the front office isn’t too far gone to sign him. Given the money involved, he’s an infinitely better option than Manny.
“Slow runner, horrible fielder and strikes out a ton….[Abreu would] be nice in the 2 spot cause he gets on, can hit to all fields and takes a lot of pitches.”
1. Abreu is not a good defender either by ANY stretch of the imagination. At least Dunn has experience at 1B.
2. Dunn saw more pitchers per plate appearance than Abreu did. (4.32 to 4.29)
3. He’d be nice because he gets on!? Abreu’s wOBA compared to Dunn’s:.368 to .383. If you’re not familiar with wOBA, we’ll just use OBP: .371 to .386. Dunn is better at “getting on”.
People really are blinded by certain things. I’m not saying Dunn is a complete player, and I’m not saying that he has no flaws, but come on….
It might be possible that Dunn is worse in the OF than Abreu is.
You are not taking these numbers in any sort of context. Of course Dunn “got on” more than Abreu did. He walked more times than Abreu. You know why? Look at who was waiting in the on-deck circle after Abreu. Who was in the on-deck circle waiting for Dunn to finish striking out?
i just want to lock up lowe first and foremost
I’m glad Burrell will be out of the NL… one less Met-killer to worry about.
LOL, amen!!
I believe that Pat Burrell will now fade into obscurity. He is going to miss hitting in that Little League field in Philly more than he realizes…
and hitting in that quality line-up where he saw a lot of good pitches.
for sure
His OPS last year was 160 points higher on the road…
What I really don’t understand is apparently they went extremely hard after Ibanez, but once he signed there’s been little to no interest in left fielder. The fact we went so hard after him should mean they think there’s a need shouldn’t it?
It could also mean that Omar really liked Ibanez for some reason, and considered upgrading the position only if Ibanez was the guy. If he couldn’t get Ibanez, then stand pat.
It’s possible that Omar’s obvious enthusiasm for Ibanez was also to drive up the asking price for Philly
talking about Lf , go to youtube.com and look for “Fernando Martinez moonshot in venezuan winter league”
I think it was the other way around – rumor is that Ibanez made it known he wanted to play in philly – the price was a bit too high if you ask me, but burrell was a gonner not long after the parade ended, and the outfield surplus was low, so the phillies bit.
At this point, I’d be happy to get Bradley, Dunn, or Abreu. Obvliously Manny would be my first choice, just don’t see it happening.
This is a pretty big signing and seems to limit our free agent options to…well, Adam Dunn. Abreu makes no sense, Bradley will be a Cub, and the owners don’t want Manny. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Omar try to make a trade. I’m not convinced he’s interested in Dunn.
After securing a No. 2, what are the chances that Omar has something lined up already, with respect to an offensive upgrade?
Man I really hope so. I think even a small upgrade at 2B and/or C would make most people happy.
I think he definitely has a couple of options in mind. He’s not done with the offense. I’m a little surprised that we’ve heard NOTHING though.
I don’t think Omar is intersted in Dunn at all. He wants Manny but ownership don’t want him.
I am thinking it will be Tatis and Murphy (not what I want) for this year hoping F-mart is ready to be the everyday LF in 2010. Maybe a trade at the deadline or something I don’t know.
burrell’s deal is 2 yr 16 mil according to rosenthal at fox
im a little surprised and nervous that there has been absolutely nothing since last week coming from the mets..lets go already..
if i see abreu here i would really start agreeng wit some ppl about omar being latino bias!!! abreu f***** stinks!!!
Even if F-mart is ready in 2010, which I think is unlikely and I really don’t think it makes much sense for the front office to be counting on it like they seem to be. You still have a big power hole opening up with Delgado’s contract expiring.
Absolutely agreed. I don’t hink F-Mart will be ready, and he shouldn’t be rushed. But he almost certainly not be a power contributor at that point.
* “WILL almost certainly…”
i’d say get dunn for 2 years, but they should have enuff money to invest in 2 quality starters.. sheets & lowe maybe??
smaller shorter free agent contracts by every other team (starting w Mets and krod) make yankees and cashman look like fools with their huge deals
Well we’re talking about a huge difference in age/talent when you’re comparing Tex to Burrel. Plus no starters near the caliber of Burnett, who I dothink they overpayed for, or Sabathia have signed. If someone gives Perez 60/4 the deals to Sabathia and Burnett suddenly don’t look so outrageous. Or at least not the Sabathia one.
Especially considering that the Yankees essentially bid against themselves on Sabathia. They outbid others on Burnett and Texieira, but the CC thing was just ludicrous.
Honestly, I think Burrell’s contract is under market value… I would think he could get three years and somthing like 30 mil… but apparently not.
Willie, Thanks for the link on FMart. That was crushed!
we play tampa this year in interleague so he can be met killer again
Matt said he thinks they have 15-20 million to spend. Not much left after signing Lowe.
sheets and lowe wud cost like 28 mil.
lowe 14, OF 8mil,cora-1mil,pedro 4 mil
i just vomit in my mouth!! cora?? pedro??
for 5th starter pedro cud be ok the problem this year is we were counting on him being a number 2
I don’t really see the point in Cora. We could have just kept Awful Reyes and had the same, if not a better player who’s younger/cheaper.
Abreu gets on base and takes a lot of pitches which would work well in the 2 spot after Reyes. He’s not a terrible defender, he’s just scared to death of the wall. I’m not saying I’d be excited as anything to get him, but he’s way better than what we currently have. Obv, Manny is my 1st choice. I think we will go the cheap route and end up with a Marcus Thames, Eric Hinske type player.
Dunn sees more pitchers per plate appearance and had a HIGHER BB/K ratio than Abreu did ….
pitches*
where did matt say that? i come up with about 20-23 mil left to spend maybe wilpons wud go to 25-27 mil if asked
ON BASE %: ?
1 REYES .358
2 ABREU .371
3 WRIGHT .390
4 BELTRAN .376
5 DELGADO .353
6 CHURCH .346
Eventually runs will score.
CERRONE, I WANT AN ANSWER!!!
Why in God’s name would you want Dunn on this team, even for 1 season?!
First off he’s LH, which is probably one of the last things we need.
Secondly, he would probably finish behind Mr Met in the 40 yard dash.
Thirdly, he whiffs like 800 times a season.
Lastly, he is average at best in the field.
Adam Dunn does not fill any of this team’s needs. I see almost no reason whatsoever why the Mets should have even the slightest amount of interest in Adam Dunn, yet you post that you hope the Mets consider him, if only for one season.
Could you please explain to me why that is?
I was probably a little harsh in my criticism of Dunn, but he really is not the type of player we should be targeting.
He’d probably beat Mr Met in the 40…
Dunn gets on base and hits for power.
Batting average is a fairly useless number, all in all. If you’re getting on base and hitting for power, you’re good.
And 40 homers and 100 walks 5 straight seasons is great.
Not to mention if you could get him for 2 years you could cover Delgado this season in the event of another power-outage and next season when he’s actually gone…
Have you had a look at Dunn’s obase percentage? He strikes out a lot but a power hitter that does not ground out much is useful in the line-up. When he k’s he doesn’t ralley stop by grounding into a double play. As he walks as much as he does, it def. tells a tale that he has quality AB’s. A righty hitter would be better for this line-up but Dunn clearly improves the team.
Now project what Dunn brings to the table into the Met lineup. I’d be willing to bet his BB’s would be down significantly compared to where they were when he was “the guy” in Cincy.
His high walk totals do not indicate quality AB’s as much as they indicate that he was the only guy in the middle of that lineup who was getting any respect.
That’s just not true. His OBP is a function of incredible patience at the plate. (So are his Ks, too.)
Of course it’s true. If they weren’t pitching to him, then who cares what his OPS was?
Is it coincidental that with all that patience at the plate and all those walks Dunn scored 79 runs? It looks to me that opposing managers were not scared by anyone hitting behind Dunn, and that they were right.
I love when people point out only the weaknesses of a player without ever even acknowledging their strengths (I’m not saying you did this in particular, but it seems like many people have not even given Dunn a fair look).
Look, all I am saying is that Dunn does not fit what the Mets are looking for in an outfielder for the 2009 season.
I know what his stregnths are, and his weaknesses far outweigh them IMO.
Umm he gets on base. Hits for a lot of power. Isn’t any worse in the field than the other options we have right now, other than Bradley but he’s an injury/crazy concern.
So you say what, that we sign Dunn simply because he is a name and we probably could?
No we sign Dunn because he plays Outfield. Is a power hitting Machine. He is still young at only 29. Won’t cost any arbitration picks. Can play first, if need be.
If you look at the first baseman’s market next season it’s pretty pathetic. So if you could get Dunn for 2 years, your covered there next season.
Everyone knows obviously you would like a right hander. But you can’t argue with a guy who hits for tremendous power, has a career OBP of .380 and a Career OPS of .900.
I can argue against done very easily, and here is why:
Dunn had 122 Walks, 122 Hits, and 164 Strikeouts to go along with his 40 HR’s and 100 RBI.
Now my point is that his walk total, as well as his subsequently high OPS, are more a result of Dunn’s being the only batter in his lineup that instilled any fear in the opposing manager. I can support this because Dunn only scored 79 runs to go along with all of the lofty numbers listed above.
Now subtract the 40 times that Dunn scored by driving himself in via the HR, and that leaves him with 39 runs scored. Now, that tells me that there was absolutely NOBODY hitting behind Dunn in the order who was capable of driving him in because if there was he’d have scored more than 39 times, right? Right.
So…
Dunn wasn’t drawing walks, the opposing managers were putting him on base to avoid having to pitch to the only hitter in the lineup who could beat them.
THE TRUTH IS IN THE NUMBERS PEOPLE!! DUNN DROVE HIMSELF IN MORE VIA THE HR THAN HIS ENTIRE TEAM DROVE HIM IN DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE WALKED 122 TIMES!!!
And the situation improved only slightly when he went to the D-Backs. Same league, same plan. Who was hitting behind him there?
This is what I am trying to say. Dunn’s OPS is deceiving. He absolutely has tremendous power, but he is most definitely NOT the on-base, walk, and OPS machine that he is being made out to be on here today.
How do you know? He walked even when he was in the minors and when Cincy had better line-ups. The Reds were first in the league in runs in 05 and he was still a walk/obp machine, they were 7th in 07 and he was still a walk/obp machine. What’s your explanation for that?
Not to mention why would no one else being in the line up improve his slugging percentage? That makes up over half of ops a pretty good chunk of ops.
OMG…
Is Adam Dunn your boyfriend or something?
So no response? Did it not occur to you to look at his strike out/walk rates from previous years, in better offenses, before making your long winded and baseless argument?
Are you serious?! Baseless?!
You cannot truly be that lost.
His numbers from year to year are different, but not his situation. Dunn has never had anyone of note hitting behind him. He has always been the power source in his lineup has been expected to be the guy to go up there and launch one. That being said, he is rarely going to get anything to hit. Can’t you see that? He’s not as good as his OPS. His OPS is directly attributable to the fact that there is just rarely any reason to pitch to the guy. So with nobody on base and the game not on the line he sees some pitches, but you know that it is in these situations that he is either hitting it out or whiffing. He’s not up there drawing walks and looking at 10 or 11 pitches every time up, which is how you are playing it up.
If Dunn were really as good as you are trying to make him out to be, he’d be on the fast track to the HOF. And he clearly is not.
Umm Gri-ffy jr slugged .576 in 2005, more than Dunn. Joe Randa, Javier Valentine, Willy Mo Pena all slugged .490+. How exactly was he the only source of power in the line-up? Can’t you see how ridiculous you sound? How hard is it to look things like that up? You’re argument has zero base.
cora or some other middle infielder who can play ss. pedro wud be to compete with niese for 5th starter job
About Adam Dunn:
“Secondly, he would probably finish behind Mr Met in the 40 yard dash.”
I don’t think Dunn is the answer for this team, but he’s actually deceptively quick. He used to bat leadoff for the Reds and stole 19 bases one year.
Like I retracted, he’d probably beat Mr Met in the 40. I will say however, that he has lost some of that 19-SB-speed. For a guy who may be deceptively quick, he has a pension for clogging up the bases. And whatever quickness he does possess has not translated into an increased ability to cover ground in the OF.
You lost me on “clogging the bases”…for him to be an issue on the basepath, wouldn’t that mean he’s on base a lot, which is a good thing?
Or it could mean that he was pitched around a ton, indicating that nobody behind him in the lineup scared the opposition as much as he did with the bat in his hands, right?
Umm if he was pitched around doesn’t that mean opposing pitchers/teams were afraid of him? Wouldn’t that kind of be a good thing?
Gina, I believe the general point he is getting to is that Dunn took his walks and hit the opposing pitcher’s mistake for bombs.
Btw, Christian warrior, someone can always say: Now that pitchers can’t pitch around him, they’ll have to give him something to hit more often, leading to more homeruns and the like.
Also, remember that Dunn doesn’t just walk a lot for a power hitter, he walks a ridiculous amount for any kind of hitter- he led the majors last year easily with 30% more walks than our walk leader (Wright). There’s a lot more there than being pitched around- lots of guys get pitched around regularly but didn’t have close to as many BBs. And I agree that if those stats were partially the result of his being pitched around, then his power numbers should only go up with real protection behind him…
Ummm…
Adam Dunn doesn’t get pitched around as much in our lineup because he would probably be the fourth or fifth best guy hitting in it.
Where would you put Dunn in the lineup Gina? Who are you going to uproot to fit this guy in? Because you can’t harp on the big number of walks he is going to get without knowing where in the lineup he is going to hit. He’ll see a lot more pitches to apply his 240 BA to if he is in the middle of the lineup, but if he’s hitting down in the order he’ll see either a lot of LH relief pitchers or absolutely nothing to swing at.
I think this would be a completely different discussion if Dunn was a RH batter.
but SadClown, one could also say that with Dunn not being pitched around as much his already very high strikeout total could go even higher, right? There’s more to the game than walks and HR’s.
kidfromqueens-
I still disagree. I believe that Dunn walked as much as he did because he might have been the only guy in his lineup that scared anyone.
Take away his walks, and what are you left with? With those remaining AB’s, he hits like 240 with the 40 homers, but he also K’s a ton. Who’s to say that the strikeouts don’t increase rather than the homers?
He scored 79 runs last season. What does that tell you about all of the walks that he had?
Dunn has always had a very high OBP, going back through his minor league career, and he actually walked at a much higher rate after being traded to Arizona last year. So, unless you’re arguing that he’s had the worst luck in baseball and played on highly unusually terrible hitting teams his entire professional career, I’m not sure why you think his walk rate would suddenly plummet with the Mets.
Perhaps I am making that very argument.
No protection for him in the lineup when with Cincy, not much more than when he was in Arizona.
Dunn would see more pitches with the Mets, and I’d bet good money that his OPS would be reduced drastically while his strikeouts rose dramatically.
NO PEDRO PLEASE. I love the guy for what he was and what he did, but it’s time to say goodbye and move on. JEEZ, why don’t we just sign Alou and El Duque to incentive based deals too. These guys are done.
bradley is gonna be a cub
I thought the rumor was 18 for 1 year. This def. opens up the market for OF’ers. Even Dunn at 1 year for 10 would be a bargain for his type of power. This is actually good news for the Mets but they better get on the horn soon.
The rumors were looking at Dunn for 2 years 20-22, and similar for Burrell. Good news, but Dunn isn’t necessarily the best fit.
So do we get Manny, Dunn or Abreu? (Milton Bradley goes to Cubbies)
Consider the “no one” option.
hmm
MLBTR says Bradley signed with cubbies 3yrs $30mil. They are starting to drop quickly now. Time for Omar to get on his horse
That’s fine. I didn’t want Bradley on the Mets anyway.
But man, sure would be nice to get someone with a bat who can play the outfield….
Good, Omar can get on his horse and we can finally stop beating this dead one.
Gina,
Here is a scenario. Runner on third and one out. Adam Dunn up and what do you know, HE STRIKES OUT!!!!!!!!! i dont think adam dunn is the answer, for i like the type of players that tony larussa would endorse and he would not endorse adam dunn for obvious reasons. havin said that dunn could play left this year and then 1st next but then what to you do with murph and fmart. well you could put murph in left, but then where do you put FMART who i know u think wont be ready by 2010 but there is a chance that the kid could be. the kid will need to develop in the majors like in the minors, so he should be able to start next year. i would offer dunn 12 mil for 1 year. who knows, maybe he will take it and hope the economy will be better next year. i cannot stand fernando tatis, which is why i would sign dunn stick tatis on the bench where he belongs.
What a stupid example. Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle, David Wright (hmmm…. Murphy leads off bottom of the ninth in a tie game with a triple and is stranded there when Wright Ks, etc.) might strike out in that position. It happens. Anybody can strike out. Yes Dunn does it more than most, but he also homers more than most. He is capable of hitting a sac fly as well.
More than likely he would walk and load the bases, or if he does get a hit it will be an extra base hit which will allow both runners to score. So we can either get a guy who will hit a bunch of singles in that situation which depending on who’s base, gives you the same outcome as a walk, but will actually make more outs than Dunn would in those situations. Or we can get a guy who will avoid outs and/or hit the ball long enough to score both runners, and possibly himself.
OMAR IS NOT SIGNING DUNN OR ABREU!!!!!!!! GET OVER IT! he is going with tatis and murph. omar really needs to realize that church isnt as good as he was the first half of last year and that here is a good chance that delgado wont be the player he was the second half of last year and that castillo and schneider and complete wastes offensively. what manny would do for david wright if he were beind him in the lineup! o well, he prob wont get manny although he may surprise us. lets stop getting this rent a players and build our own team.
id go after abreu on a 1 yr 13 mil with option
I really want a RH bat in the OF…
Abreu hit against:
Lefties .315/.370/.495
Righties .287/.372/.461
He actually hits lefties better, though he’s a lefty.
Maybe Pagan will be the starting LFer.
If Bobby Abreu gets less than Bradley, then Omar has to get him.
Milton Bradley is ALWAYS hurt. He only played in about 120 games, and he played a bunch at DH. I am very glad that he is not a Met.
Pat Burrell is going to make less than Bradley, but will hit more homers and drive in more runs next year than Milton.
I am with everyone here. With the plethora of OF talent for bargain prices, Omar has to show some NY might and get one of these guys.
Abreu will play at least 150 games next year. Will Murphy/ Tatis and Church do the same? Get one of the guys still out there.
a) Sign the starting pitcher.
b) I’d prefer a right handed hitter in LF, but it doesn’t look like there are any good options out there.
While I like Dunn, it depends on what cost. I think this team wants to have F-Mart a slot open for 2010 or so- so any left fielder, unless its a star, would be a short term answer.
Dunn is the best offensive player- but he is not a good defender. I hear mixed things on Abreu; some here call him a butcher defensively, some (like Joel Sherman) says he’s not bad- just has wall issues. In any case, none of us know that Dunn would be willing to take a decent 1 or 2 year deal like Burrel took. If Dunn signs a 1 yr 10 mil deal to play LF, we screwed up. Till then, lets see what happens.
This makes much sense. Pitching should be the first priority. (upgrading 2B to get a better defensive player would be second — no pun — but that’s not going to happen.) While I’m not sold on Dunn and I think the SABR people get a little too invested in singing his praises, I’d much prefer him to Abreu, especially if he comes relatively cheaply.
If we consider Murphy an OF, however, keeping him, Tatis and Dunn on the roster pretty much forces us to carry Reed or Pagan as a defensive replacement.
It’s like I am saying above. How can you credit all of Dunn’s walks to his patience at the plate when he also struck out 164 times?
Dunn drove himself in more times last season via the HR(40) then the rest of his lineup did(39) despite the fact that he walked 122 times.
That isn’t patience at the plate, that’s opposing managers not pitching to him because they don’t have to.
strike outs doesn’t mean he’s impatient. it means he has poor contact rates because of his long swing. So he occasionally misses strikes.
Okay…
Ok so based on your theory, Christian, Dunn would walk less and hit 98 HR’s for the Mets. If he is getting more pitches to hit, he would …. hit more pitches.
Based on his numbers, his strikeout total would increase dramatically more than his power numbers if he saw more pitches.
Runs win games.
Dunn produces runs, whether it be scoring them from getting on base(wich would likely increase with RBI guys to drive him in unlike in Cinci) or whether he drives them in.
The only way I accept Abreu in our line-up is if we get Michael Young in the 6 or 7 spot.
And as much as I would love Dunn, he has been too available in the past for Minaya to have serious interest in him. He has been there for the taking, but Minaya never bit. I doubt that he will now.
Gina,
i didnt say he was impatient, NOT ONCE, what i said was that he does not do the little things that help you win ball games, like advancing the runner or having a sac fly, not to mention he is NOT a good defensive player by any stretch of the imagination. unless they are going to ship delgado to the angels for pitching and then sign dunn to play 1st base id be alright with that. otherwise lets keep murph in left shift him to first next season and go with fmart next yr he will be ready, he’s an absolute stud. remember he needs time to develop in the majors so bringing him up a little early isnt necessarily a bad thing.
Hey christian warrior –
I been watching you and Gina go back & forth about Dunn while you each make valid points can I add this
1. Dunn hitting 5th which was mostly with Reds hit:
AB273 AVG.253 R46 H69 HR24 RBI53 BB63 K83
Edwin Encarnacion hitting 6th with Reds hit:
AB287 AVG.251 R42 H72 HR17 RBI38 BB31 K61
2. Dunn hitting 4th which was mostly with Ari hit:
AB152 AVG.217 R20 H33 HR7 RBI25 BB44 K49
Mark Reynolds hitting 5th with Ari hit:
AB308 AVG.250 R48 H77 HR17 RBI62 BB40 K117
To me Dunn hitting as cleanup guy If you do math his performance per at bats was consistent in most offensive categories except in HR’s.
I believe this was due to him being less patient going away from his game trying to hit long ball and hit way less HR’s.
Dunn in my opinion if allowed to just play his game and not be the go to guy can come in to Citi Fields and contribute hitting in 5 slot in a lineup like:
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Delgado
Dunn
Church
Schneider
Dunn or Murphy for 1 year which is better?
Given that Dunn is a butcher in the OF and I believe that he will strikeout over 200 times and make the lineup very susceptible to LH pitching I would go with Murphy. At least then you are looking at a platoon with Tatis to balance the lineup and there won’t nearly be as many K’s.
i can’t argue with the logic.
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