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Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times believes two teams, one from each league, are interested in Pedro Martinez.
From what I can gather, the Mets still have interest in Martinez, and are probably the lone National League team.
I believe Omar Minaya is sincere when he says publicly that his team would bring Martinez back to Queens. However, in either case, I sense Minaya is only willing to guarantee a one-year deal – similar to the incentive-filled contract that Brad Penny signed with the Red Sox.
The buzz around baseball suggests that Martinez may be willing to sign for less money with the Mets, as long as it’s a guaranteed contract, because he is disappointed with the performance he delivered during their previous four-year agreement.
Frankly – guaranteed, not guaranteed, minor-league deal, whatever – I feel it is time to move on from Martinez. I mean no disrespect to him, as he always be considered among my favorite pitchers of all time, but the Mets need to move beyond the last two seasons. If it’s not moving on from Martinez and Aaron Heilman, or Damion Easley and Endy Chavez, among others, than who is it? Plus, I’m tired of the climate of instability that Martinez brings. Every day he pitches, the story isn’t the Mets, wins or losses, it’s about his shoulder, or the height of the mound, or his velocity, and so on. I love him, but Mets need to move on.
By the way, there is a bit of online buzz suggesting the White Sox could be the American League team that is interested in Martinez.
Actually, my hunch had been that he would sign with the Dodgers, because a) it is where he started his career, and b) they are seemingly in need of a veteran starting pitcher – after losing Penny, Greg Maddux and Derek Lowe.
However, according to Hernandez, the Dodgers are not interested.
Lastly, if you’re thinking, ‘How come nobody is talking about Martinez as a relief pitcher,’ click here.
Pedro, i love you, but…..
Let me finish that: NO
LMAO… yeah..
It’s time to turn the page on Pedro. With much thanks for his big name bringing bigger player draw to the Queens.
Forget the page, it’s time to close the book…
Sorry Pedro, you had plenty of chances to make your Mets comeback and you got injured every time. Good luck wherever you head next.
if he retire right now.. FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAME.. just based on his dominance of the steroid era..
As he should.
I just don’t see it. Yes there is potential for him to have a great season but that’s less likely than him getting injured or just going 5 innings a start. The market is in the Mets favor why bring him in when we could get younger guys that will pitch innings for a similar price? I would rather have Marquis than Pedro at this point.
Marquis is gone, so that point is moot, but signing Pedro now is just as good as signing El Duque or Alou: a waste of time…
F marquise,,,, Pedro owes us a bargin year, lets roll the dice.
I love Pedro, greatest pitcher of his time, but I hope he doesn’t come back. He isn’t of much value to us at this point, unless he’s a 6th starter.
i love pedro…i bought his jerzy the day i found out the mets signed him…but i think its time to move on unless he can prove himself. I dont want to hear in the whole ST about how healthy he feels and then the first time out he injures his quad…a one year deal is ok by me but the mets need SERIOUS options….at this point i would not consider pedro a serious option. BTW anybody else heard about the JC romero thing….50 gm suspension?
Covered Dirty. About Pedro, however, I would just as soon go with Niese/Parnell and use 8 million in LF than to sign Pedro.
Thats also a good way to look at it. It all depends on whats his bottom line imo. If he is asking for 8-10 mill then obviously forget it. If we can get a steal however….wouldnt be a bad move considering maine and his situation every year and pelf may have health issues due to the amount of work he did last season. Like i said i have no problem with the mets moving on but if we can get him at a steal…why not. Its not like the mets are even looking to address the LF problem..they seem content with murph/tatis holding the fort until fmart.
What’s a steal? At this point looking at real facts I would rather have Redding than Pedro. At least with Redding you should get innings.
Redding had a better ERA, WHIP, Innings per start…..
But redding will be im sure more expensive than pedro….we are saying the same thing real but i guess in different ways. Pedro wants to satisfy his ego/legacy in ny thats fine but i dont think the mets should make a huge investment. Pedro should be a #6 or #7 starter. Redding on the on the other hand as you said has better numbers accross the board will be more expensive than pedro and can fit in as our #5. Make a lowball offer its not like pedro has earned a 8 mil contract.
Actually Dirty, Redding is in line for about 5 million a year, 6 at the most.
Right now based on my guess it’s
Lowe 14
Perez 12
Shees 10-12
Garland 8-10
Wolf 8-10
Looper 6-8
Redding 4-6.
I just don’t see how Perez is going to get 12m in this market… he’ll probably top out at 10 and everyone else will be maxing out in the 8-10 range as well
Pedro makes sense…. for the Pirates.
or the padres.. pitching in that stadium might help his ERA..
Or the Nats - they could use a veteran pitcher like Pedro to teach their young pitching staff.
I love that Romero will be out. I hate the guy, but I really think he’s getting a raw deal in this case.
WHY IS HE GETTING A RAW DEAL???!! the breweres, the dodgers and rays got a raw deal by MLB not suspendidng this guy!! he should’ve been suspended in august, god only knows how many big outs he got for them agains lefties!!!
did you read the article? the guy is getting shafted.
i did, how is he getting shafted?? i may have bot understood what i read then.. he cheated, they always got an excuse as tio why, then always blame it on something or somebody, at least mota said: yeah i did it.. please.. shafted
alex, honestly, i truly believe you are trying to make something out of nothing with romero. the mlbpa said the supplement was alright. then, after he had taken it, mlb says it’s not. he got two opinions from nutritionists that it was okay to take.
and, the point about his saying not to name the supplement, well be fair. the guy found out after the fact that it has something that is not kosher and now doesn’t want kids to use it. what’s wrong with that?
He is really getting a raw deal. They were told by the MLBPA that the supplement he was taking was alright. As for the playoff teams he played being shafted, this supplement was not present in his system in the playoffs. Don’t jump to judgement…read the article.
ok then check this out:
“Romero said he does not want to name the supplement in case young athletes go out and purchase it”
so if this supplement is ilegal, and it can get you suspended, why he doesn’t say the neame.. please..
Come on guys, one year for $5M base salary wi/ incentives for $8M wouldn’t be bad. Money saved on SP could be used on upgrading LF or eating some of Castillo’s contract (although I think he’ll have a bounce back year).
Santana
Lowe/Perez
Pelf
Maine
Pedro
Garcia
Niese
Parnell
Figgy
Knight
How are you saving money on SP? The Mets were never going to spend more than 20 million on SP to start with.
Not to mention that Garcia would cost at least 4 million as well.
Well, if there really isn’t much of a market for Lowe then we get him at $12M and get both Pedro and Garcia for $8M.
With a dependable Lowe signed I could see the Mets taking a risk on Pedro and Garcia to compete for the last spot.
However, if Lowe isn’t signed then maybe we can get two of Ollie, Wolf or Garland. But that probably won’t happen and we will still need to get a dependable 5th starter like Redding. Plus, the Mets probably want a 5th starter on a 1 year contract so Niese can fill the spot in 2010 (Who besides Pedro and Garcia would take a 1 year contract?)
In sum, Lowe and Pedro-Garcia is better/more likely than Perez/Wolf/Garland and a Redding type.
Lowe Redding/Garland/Wolf is better than Lowe Pedro and Garcia. If you are going to spend 8 million do it on a guy that can actually pitch past the 1st game.
I think ur undervaluing the contracts these pitchers will get. There’s little market for Lowe because of his price, but once you get below $8M, there’ll be plenty of competition.
For example, the Rockies traded for Marquis and will pay him $8M. Why would they do that if they could’ve signed Redding/Garland or Wolf for the same price? Redding maybe, but not Garland or Wolf.
If this were anything other than the 5 spot I’d say no way. Plus, who else will take a one year deal?
Ok, so first of all, I think the Rockies overvalued the market when taking on Marquis, plus i think the Cubs are picking up some of that 8m. Regardless, if Lowe signs for 12-13m then there’s no way that Garland/Wolfe/Sheets are getting anything close. They’ll probably be right at that 8m mark…but probably closer to 10.
That said, Pedro/Garcia is a terrible idea. It’s a waste of money, just like Alou’s 2008 option. They’re projects, not worth anything until they prove they can pitch for more than 35 innings a season. And why are you scared to hand out a 2 or 3 year contract? If Niese and/or Parnell become ready, there will be plenty of takers for any starting pitcher the roster who the Mets would be willing to part with. For example, if you sign Wolfe to a 2 year deal and then he does ok, he’d be good to trade for a supplementary bat. There’s no reason to seek out one year deals just because there are guys in the minors…
$5M for Pedro this year? I hope not.
I’d sign him to a $5M contract to be our #5 in 2009. Let Niese and Parnell begin the year in the minors, and we’d have the comfort of knowing we have depth in case Pedro doesn’t pan out.
The Mets can handle eating $5M if it doesn’t work. All upside, very little downside to a deal like this, as far as I’m concerned.
Why when at this point you could most likely get Garland or Wolf for 3 million more? Not to mention that you should be able to get Redding cheaper. LOOK AT HIS STATS GUYS. Forget the past and look at the current. He’s just not good anymore. He gave up 19 HR in 109 innings. That’s pitching the home games in Shea. He would give up 40 HR in a full season if his arm did not fall off first.
So Wolf, who had 3 consecutive ‘Half’ seasons (05, 06 & 07 ), finally gets through a full season, is more valuable than Pedro is now?
Wolf was never really that good.
Pedro seemed to be good, after the 1st inning that is.
I’m not asking him to be a front line starter, just a good #5.
May 31 2006, last time Pedro pitched past the 7th inning. Has only done it 1 time since the Allstar break in 2005. Not a 5th starter, move on.
You really think that Pedro is more likely to pitch a full season than Wolf? Come on. And what if they did? Look at Pedro’s stats last year, PLEASE.
Pedro averaged 5 innings a start with a ERA of 5.69 and WHIP of 1.57. Why is this even a question?
I’d go for Pedro for one year. It’s not my money, anyway.
It’s a roster spot however and there are MANY better options out there that will cost the same or within 3 million of what Pedro will want.
It’s not my roster spot, either. (Only kidding.)
He’s replacing the 25th guy on the squad. I’d give it a chance. We’re not forced to keep him. And as I said, it’s not my money.
But why? When you could have so many other options? Just blind loyalty?
i don’t even see how are the mets really even considering this guy.. we had a chance to get him in 98 and didn’t.. when we got him he gave us 1 good year and that’s it.. he brought credidbility yes, but the past 2 years with him, el duque, alou and castillo we’ve gotten ROBBED!!!
Robbed is Carl Pavano, not Pedro Martinez.
so true
well, the yankees got robbed by pavano, but for the past 2 years check how much money all thos 4 guys i mention have played and how much they’ve made..
I think he could make real sense as the 5th starter.
He has a huge potential upside and with the right incentive based contract there is little to lose on the guy. If he goes down we have Niese/Parnell starting the year in the minors to slot into his spot. For the right price only.
The guy does not have upside anymore. Just downside. You can’t count on him and would most likely end up with Niese starting by May. IF you are doing that then just start Niese. I am sure he could put up the Numbers Pedro did last year.
Upside is for guys like Perez, Maine, Niese, Parnell etc. Not for guys on the decline.
Exactly my thoughts Doc.
Chances of Mets signing Cordero?
We still need to sign Lowe or Ollie
Jesus, didn’t we see him last year?? am i missing something here..?? he couldn’t even hold a 7 run lead against the phillies!!! no… no.. no even if is free he shouldn’t pitch for the mets..
Agreed, these are like the dang Piazza fans that still wanted him. Put the past where it belongs. He is not good in the current.
May 31 2006, last time Pedro pitched past the 7th inning. Has only done it 1 time since the Allstar break in 2005. Not a 5th starter, move on.
What two leagues? The Japanese league and the winter league?
I agree with Cerrone. The Pedro Mets era has come to an end and it’s time to move on. I know he has something to prove, but let him do it elsewhere, where his drama won’t effect this team on a day to day basis. Once his body started to fail in 2006, Pedro lost a lot of his swagger and I think his constant questioning of himself and his abilities in ‘07 and ‘08 contributed to the mental frailty that has plagued this team the past two years.
Cerrone is a Pedro hater who called him old and full of excuses.
And what part of that is untrue?
If Pedro is old, then so is Lowe. No one said Pedro was full of excuses when he busted his a** to come back at the end of 07. Maybe Pedro knows what was going wrong with him and was just explaining instead of avoiding the questions.
Case, your my boy, i am dominican and pedro is a great guy and an icon in my country, but how would you called pedro stayed with the mets?
alex, I’m dominican too (by marriage), but that has nothing to do with why I don’t think signing Pedro on a Penny type deal is a bad idea especially to be our #5 guy. Penny will be Boston’s 5th starter. Pedro and Penny had similar seasons last year. It’s not a huge risk if you have guys like Garcia and Niese to call up. Plus, I don’t think we can get any pitcher for less than $8M. If that was the case, then why would the Rockies trade for Marquis and have to Pay him $8M when they could’ve supposedly signed another pitcher for the same amount without having to make a trade.
ha, meant to say isn’t a bad idea
is just for us and pedro is time to move on.. why u think they even say that they might try niese as a 5th started? for as much as i wanted him to succeed wit us, he didn’t get it accomplish so therefore he and us should move on..
How does one become Dominican by marriage?
by eating rice and beans everyday!!! con ensalada y pollo!!! MUCHACHO!!!
Backman, they have websites for that kind of stuff
im dominican too and i hate to say it but cerrone may be right on with this one…its hard to make a case for pedro based off his performance the last few years…
I will never say other pitchers like redding or marquis were better at any point, but as of now i would take any of them ahead of this guys.. and for 5 millions?? whoever mention that should be put in jail!! this guy had 53 million and pitch 79 games!!! that’s like alou getting 8 millions for 14 games last year or el duque gettin 12 millions the past 2 years for 27 games!!! NOOO
I could get burned here, and deservedly by some views, but doesn’t loyalty count for something?
2005-2008 is not an era I’d like to run away from and forget. Just the opposite: I want those guys who gave us identity during that time to be the ones who bring us a championship. We came so close so many times. Pedro deserves a ring with us.
I don’t want to pick and choose certain members of our core and hope that by selective surgery, we feel brand new. Pedro is a Met now. Have some loyalty, guys. It’s not like we can expect any greater upside from Niese or Parnell.
1…. 2….. 3…..
FIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you serious?? from 2005 to 2008 all we’ve accomplished is the “CHOKE ARTIST” label, heartache, and to be named the retirement home plan for a bunch of old players!! u certainly won’t forget that period i’m sure.. please, spare me the dramatics, if he wants a ring with us he’s welcome in the clubhouse.. as a pitching as-sistant..
dont get caught in the pitfall of loyalty staple. We also deserve to have the best chance of winning too and pedro does not give us that no matter how you cut it. There are better #5 options out there and they should be considered way before pedro. Pedro should be a backup option at this point and if he doesnt accept, we wont be “devistated” as we have niese/parnell there also for backup. I thank pedro for the “credibility” he brought or has been claimed to have brought us but we need to win and he has not helped us do that.
Wow, I guess I’m the only one who feels this way. Me and Petey.
no i hear ya staple..hell i got a pedro jerzy at home but just like piazza when its time to let go its time to let go. Pedro is not likely to regain his old form. He looks down right horrible against teams that he should have dominated. Why should we invest more time and money on a memory of a pedro we never had…think about it bro…
that’s the whole thing, i love pedro and even rooted for him in boston, but when he was here, after 2005, he just wasn’t even a shell of what he was, i’m sure we are greatfull.. but he’s done..
*Cries*
there there the big stapler.. is gonna be ok.. lol
Do you guys not realize the impact Pedro, Elduque, and Alou had on the team last year. It’s not just about well there is so and so to replace them. It’s the mental impact of losing your starter and how it effects overall depth as well. You know Pedro can’t pitch a full season at this point. Thus you are relying on Niese then when Maine goes down you are relying on Parnell. Not good. Sign a guy like Garland and while he may end up, not likely, with similar numbers to Pedro the chances of him getting injured in his first start and not being healthy all year are slim. Then when Maine gets injured you have just Niese.
we cannot comment on the mentality of the team because frankly we are not there to witness any effect. Feel free to speculate. As for your rundown i dont quite follow? Are you saying that we have maine and niese in the rotation and parnell is the fall back? Are you saying that garland would be a #5 or are you saying garland would be a #6 or #7? Just a little confused…can you please clarify
Come on Dirty. LOL.
My point is that if you sign Pedro to be the #5 then he WILL get injured and Niese has to start. Then when Maine goes down you have Parnell.
If you sign Garland then when Maine goes down you have Niese and you are much less likely to have to dip into the Parnell/Figgy pool with at least 4 healthy starters.
If we are going to doll out a short term/low money contract to a injury plagued pitcher in hopes of catchin lightening in a bottle for the 5th starter, then its got to be Sheets.
Love Pedro, but if you can get him or Sheets (with Neise/Parnell as 6th/7th starters) then Sheets is the no brainer. Pedro unfortunately doesnt have a place on the team anymore unless he is going to be a pitching instructor.
i doubt the mets would offer the same contract they would pedro to a guy like ben sheets. Money wise/Reward wise it points to pedro as im sure we can get pedro on a much cheaper contract than we can get sheets.
Now I completely agree with that. Sheets is actually my 1st choice, above Lowe or Ollie.
Unfortunately though, I don’t think it’s either Pedro or Sheets, as I believe Sheets will end up with a salary comparable to that of a #2, not anywhere close to the $5M we’re talking about for Pedro.
TRS86:
RE: “May 31 2006, last time Pedro pitched past the 7th inning. Has only done it 1 time since the Allstar break in 2005. Not a 5th starter, move on.”
And the last time your choice, Randy Wolf, did it was on April 18th 2005.
Is it just that you hate Pedro, or will you find other stats to bring out?
Not trying to be a jerk, but it make zero sense to use this stat against Pedro, then say that you’d rather have Wolf.
Touche, however, do you really expect Pedro to come anywhere close to Wolf’s stats last year? It’s not about a hate for Pedro. I loved the signing. But why not bring back Elduque? He’s a beast when healthy and has more recent success than Pedro. What? He’s old and never healthy? Hmmm.
Guys, the point is moot. What has Pedro done the past two years to warrant anything more than a ST invite??
What I’ve learned from Pedro’s tenure — Having a pitcher on the brink of the DL is really demoralizing.
That’s the reason I’m hesitant about Ben Sheets.
Agree, but if you sign a workhorse to be the #2 you can take a chance on Sheets. Sheets if healthy WILL be good. Pedro if healthy most likely still WONT be good.
Sheets is damn near dominant when healthy, but even a workhorse number 2 can’t pitch a number 5’s innings. I think I’d take a chance on Sheets, but Pedro? The ship sailed — 2 years ago.
Sheets pitched almost 200 innings last year. He’s a much better gamble than Wolfe or Pedro.
Seriously, we could expect more out of Niese than Pedro. Go out and get a backup RH LF, a utility IF, and another reliever with that money if that’s all you are going to do is sign Pedro for the #5 spot. You could have Wiggy for a similar price of Pedro. I would much rather have Niese, Wiggy than Pedro.
maybe i have missed it (i honestly have not read all the comments)..are people wanting pedro for the #5 spot?
For some reason yes.
uh.. not to defend wolff or anything.. but he did pitch a complete game shut out against the cubs sept 3 last year..
You’re right Alex. I missed that one. Still though, that was the 1st time he went past 7 innings since April of 2009.
Uh, that should have read ’since April of 2005′. :)
Lol, is ok darryll,, but i don;t think that anybody here that wants him is crazy or anybody that doesn’t is a hater.. but from my point of view, his tenure with the mets is over..
to end this discus-sion just make a poll, see what % like wolf or pedro better.. you’ll be shocked..
Just move on. Based on the injuires, age, and last years “performance”, he is looking at a ST invite at this point!
id agree with that.
also, the art of player evaluation is projecting future performance.
What a guy used to be is nice, but not always relevant.
I prefer to get a guy that I think will do better in 2009/2010, regardless of what they each did in 1998 or 2005!
You can get burned big time signing guys off of 1 year (or not signing them I guess). Especially older guys.
Also, if they let Pedro go, when F mart comes up they can reissue his number.
That way all the martinez Jerseys can serve double duty!
Lol!!
i think he will be number 9..
Mike Pelfrey and John Maine will combine to make something around $3m next year. Why would Pedro at this point get nearly twice as much as two starters on your team? Because he was a great pitcher four years ago? I love Pedro, but he is not worth anything more than a minor league contract and a ST invitation.
I don’t want Pedro, but that’s not a good argument. You can’t throw arbitration status players into a salary argument.
it’s all about value.
pedro at $5m is still not a good value. pelf and maine at their prices are great values. salary arbitration eligible or not, they are compensated far below their contributions. it’s the way the system works. however, with pedro he’s at the opposite end of the spectrum, right? his salary is completely based on what he was, not what he is or will be. he’s not worth $5m. i’d rather the mets spend the $5m elsewhere.
i was using pelf and maine to highlight value. that’s all. not to necessarily compare salary, but simply to show how the concept of value should come into the equation with these flier-type players.
I have no regrets about the Mets signing Pedro. He brought credibility, if not sustained performance, to the team.
But I watched him pitch in person a few times and he can’t get over 81-82-83 in his first 2 innings. That means his arm is really gone. By the 3-4-5 innings he can hit 88-89-90 but that’s not enough differential on his other pitches to make him effective.
Thanks but lets move on.
How about we bring Pedro back as potential 5th starter or in the bullpen until one of the other starters gets hurt (cuz you know its gonna happen) and have Pedro keep Manny in check, once we sign Manny of course!
LOL, then we might as well trade delgado and try to get ortiz from boston..
You can do what the Red Sox did with Bartolo Colon, pay him a very small salary and make it incentive laden that way whatever good he does does him good too. Honestly whatever people are expecting from Niese and Parnell are probably what you could get from Pedro. Redding might be looking for more than we’re willing to offer (probably more than what Pedro would get). Throwing around millions for wolf who is eh could be good, but I doubt he wants to come to NYC. I still feel Pedro can be decent. Number 5 starters dont need to be dominant. I dont know where Marquis fell, but his ERA was over 4 most of the time. Why not take a shot? And enough about representing an era of choking. This was not on Pedro, he has a swagger that no one else on the team has. He’s won the whole thing, which few other Mets can say. He could be your experience guy, and he has the fire too.
well said
i 100% agree wit you on him being a winner and everything.. but niese and parnell got upside.. pedro is on skates in a downhill.. we can’t rely on the fact that 10 years ago he was good and all that.. he’s better that a lot of pitchers, but those pitchers pitch for bad teams, unless u wanna go every 5 day and pray for him to stay healthy then go ahead, hey, while we at it, i heard el duque is a free agent too.. and alou.. we need a LF..
At this point Kris Benson is just as likely to pitch 150 innings as Pedro.
Pedro and Redding will cost about the same as will Marquis after the Cubs eat half of his salary. Pedro’s ERA was about a run higher than both of them.
Per, MLBTR, Marquis (11-9, 4.53 ERA) is scheduled to make $9.875MM in 2009, the final year of the three-year contract he signed with the Cubs in December 2006. The Cubs are expected to pay $1MM of Marquis’ ‘09 salary; Vizcaino will make $4MM this year, Muskat continued.
….and, niese would earn $400k.
the thing is, if niese or parnell can give you what pedro or redding can, then they can do so for the league minimum, whereas pedro or redding will cost you 12.5 times the minimum. why waste the money when you get basically the same outcome?
plus, if niese or parnell develop into a solid #4 or #5 starter, you’ve got a guy locked up for six years on the cheap.
I think that statement was made in haste. Niese and Parnell are just not ready. Do you remember Pelfrey’s 2006-07? You’d be looking at a 6 ERA and a shot confidence. Let the kids develop, be patient.
So hire him as a coach. It’s painful to watch him float 85mph fastballs out there. Sure, #5’s don’t need to be dominant, but considering the Mets’ success against other #5’s in the NL, we at least need some consistency out of that spot. Not to mention the whole “keep the bullpen fresh” thing…
It’s not enough that he’s injured, but he’s also old. That’s a double whammy. If I’m taking on someone old, they gotta be healthy. If I’m taking an injury project, then he should at least be young enough to work and recover instead of tripping over his own body parts…
Omar will sign Ollie and Pedro, ha!
CASE, for the first time i hope you are WRONG!
Well, since everyone else I’ve wanted (Rivera, Lopez, Vasquez, Tex) didn’t happen (except for K-Rod), you don’t have much to worry about.
LMAO!!
Yeah, i see you still got tex picture there.. why don’t you put jose reyes there..?
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PLEAE NO.
please
Give Pedro the same contract as Penny. He WILL have a good year this year because all the personal problems are past. He will come to spring training in great shape. Come on! the man is a great competitor. With the bullpen we have now, give the man a chance.
Right, sure he will. Didn’t we say the same thing about him at the start of last season before he pitched his 1 inning?
He wasn’t dealing with the death of his father. Think about everything I said.
Everyone it is gonna be ok, All I asked for Christmas was Lowe, Ollie, Manny and Hudson. Santa said it may be a little delayed but it will happen, so we are good
Holy sh***!!! i thought i was greedy by asking for a new laptop from my wife!!!
Laptop, I’m still asking for a new car.
LOL, but i tell you, man.. MANNY, HUDSON, LOWE.. that’s pushing
Marquis is also getting 4 million off the Rockies as well by dumping Vizcaino. Thus the Rockies are getting him for a net of 5 million more than what they are currently paying.
That was in response to a post about a mile up from this, sorry.
hmm, okay
No way on Pedro. Please, please let’s move on. Matt was right on the money with his comments. It’s time to say goodbye to him. I want Lowe and Odalis Perez as the 5th starter becuase we will need 2 lefties in the rotation and we could get him much cheaper than the other OP.
Say no to Pedro and sign Odalis Perez? You don’t even deserve to live.
Maybe he would come cheaper then Ollie because, oh, I don’t know, Odalis Perez is an awful pitcher?
I know, who would want a guy with a 4.5 ERA and 160 innings that was never really that good when they can have a 5.69 ERA from a guy who used to be good and can pitch at best 150 innings.
Another piece of garbage post, supported by no facts, just stupid opinions like “we need to move on from the last 2 years”, and more stupid opinions that when he pitches it somehow won’t be about the Mets. For you Pedro bashers, get ready, because he will be back next season. And when he is pitching great in his second year back from shoulder surgery (you know, the year that you actually are supposed to be fully recovered, something most of you clowns obviously can’t understand), you will be telling anybody who will listen how you saw this coming all along. And if he doesn’t come back, and he is pitching well for some other team, you same idiots will be cutting Omar up for not bringing back Pedro.
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Not me, I will be saying good for Pedro and leting some other team pray he can get out of the first inning of the first game.
If we’re so dumb and Pedro is so clearly on the path to righting himself and his career, why aren’t more teams interested in picking up the guy? I mean, Brad Penny has already been signed by one of the most intelligent GMs in baseball and he’s actually coming off a recent injury, not season-long maladies and ineffectiveness like Pedro. I’ll never say the guy’s career is done, but as a fan I’m personally done with the guy coming up small year after year for us either through injury or having an “off night” at the wrong time (I still wonder how ‘05 would have turned out that night he choked against the Phillies with a chance to move into the Wild Card lead). And for those who value Pedro for intangibles, the guy has admittingly shirked his role as a “leader” because he physically wasn’t around enough in 2007 and he was mostly ineffective and emotionally distraught in 2008. I wish the guy luck, but I don’t want him anywhere near this roster next year.
nrmax88 -
Another garbage reply with no facts and just opinions like 37-year-old pitchers come back stronger second season back after surgery (please back that up with data or its just “a stupid opinion”). You mean like his brother Ramon did, right?
Don’t be so arrogant to think you know so much more than others - and then fail to back it up with data.
Randytate, this is the guy(nrmax88) who didnt want to acquire Santana. Also,he is just as rude and arrogant on mlbtraderumors.
Look at Odalis Perez’ stats and compare him to Randy Wolf and Ollie. They are not that far off at least from Wolfs. Ollie will get $10,11 mil, Wolf $8,9 mil and you maybe can get Odalis for like $4 mil? As a 5th starter if we sign Lowe. I say yes because we need 2 lefty starters to offset the Philthies.
I live in DC and watched Perez pitch a lot last year. He makes Ollie Perez look like a paragon of consistency.
Odalis Perez will drive you nuts with his hot/cold switch seemingly on every pitch. Much better to have Pedro than Odalis, but I’m hoping we can find an upgrade who will be a proven innings eater (180 IP) with some consistency.
This is, after all, supposed to be a contending team.