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Mike Fitzpatrick of the Associated Press believes the Mets have made an offer to free-agent RHP Tim Redding, who was 3-1 with a 3.41 ERA in five starts against the Phillies last season.
In late December, Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com said the Mets were making an effort to sign Redding, who was also drawing interest from the Orioles, Rangers and Rockies.
Rosenthal believes Redding may require a two-year deal.
Redding is a decent option to compete for the final spot in the rotation, but so are a handfull of others – but not for two years.
Also in December, the Daily News quoted Redding’s agent as saying, “The Mets are very much in the mix for Tim, he’s a Northeast guy and loves the city.”
According to Rosenthal, “The Mets are trying to sign a more prominent free-agent starter such as Derek Lowe or Oliver Perez, but Redding could fit in the back of their rotation.”
In 33 starts, Redding was 10-11 with a 4.95 ERA through 182 innings for the Nationals last season.
He underwent surgery on his left foot in November, but, reportedly, will be 100 percent by spring training.
Fitzpatrick also says the Mets are close to making an offer to free-agent LHP Randy Wolf, who is seeking a three-year, $30 million deal, according to Rosenthal.
Yesterday, Newsday’s Ken Davidoff reported the Mets and Wolf had recently been in negotiations, while MLB.com’s Marty Noble said an offer could be made this week.
The Brewers, Braves, Cardinals and Phillies have been linked in rumor to Wolf, who is also drawing interest from the Nationals, according to Bill Ladson of MLB.com.
Personally, Wolf does nothing for me. I am always suspect of a pitcher who has been with four teams in three years, all while pitching with a high-4.00 ERA and missing a whole bunch of games due to injury. I mean, if Wolf is signed as a short-term guy to compete with Jon Niese, I’m cool with that, I guess. However, if Wolf is supposed to be a ‘front-end starting pitcher,’ that will be a problem.
I posted this on the other thread.
Who would be ok with the Mets signing Redding and Wolf for the same money as Lowe and then entering the Manny market?
I have to say no. Pitching wins championships far more often than hitting. I know we upgraded in the pen but I don’t want to overly tax them just to bring in Manny. The money would be better spent getting a better SP.
you are cluless! enough said.
says the man who can’t spell
Well put. Offer no evidence, just state your opinion as fact and move on. Good work!
Manny is an upgrade in the outfield. ANY pitcher is an upgrade to the rotation right now since we don’t have a #2 OR a #5. Pitching is a greater need than hitting. But please, continue to bleat that we need more offense while it’s painfully clear that PITCHING is what undermined the last two seasons….but what do I know…
Well said. And just to back up your opinion with stats, the 2008 Mets were tied for 2nd in the NL in run production with 799 (tied with the Phillies and behind the Cubs with 855); 8th in the MLB overall. The team with most runs in the MLB? The Rangers, who also had the highest ERA in the league. Coincidence? I think not.
Sure I’d love an offensive upgrade in LF, but with 29 blown saves last year, pitching comes first. So far I like what Omar is doing this offseason.
Thanks for the exact numbers. I knew we were tied with the Phillies in Rs, I was just too lazy to look it up =)
its good to see some sensibility. I dont think it is a question that with Lowe and Ollie the Mets have the best rotation in the NL, and its definitely no question that with a Cordero type they would have the best bullpen, if they dont already.
Pitching and Defense is where it is at. As Xavier22 said, we survived last year with this lineup to score 799 runs, lets not forget that we have 3 of the most dangerous players in baseball in our lineup everyday.
redding is actually a pretty good pitcher.. if u look at his numbers u might not see it but the guy killed the phils last year, and was the sole 10 game winner on the worst team in the game. last year at one point he threw 9 straight no decisions.. the nats won 7 of those games and he gave up less than 3 runs in 5 of them… take into account he also lost 2 games giving up only 1 run and granting the nats early runs instead of late… his record would look something like 16-8 which is pretty good for a guy who made 1mil last year
reddings only problem is the big innings.. i did my research and in each game when redding gave up 5 or more earned runs.. in EVERY GAME atleast 4 runs were scored in one inning… he seems to have trouble limiting the big inning but also played in a pretty good hitting ballpark… i think if citi is anything like shea he should have an easier time making big outs without those monstrous gaps
He’s also a five and a half inning pitcher. 33 starts and 182 mediocre innings is not what we need in the fifth spot. At least Jason Marquis would get through the 6th inning consistently and save the situational relievers for the seventh and eighth innings.
I would do it. I love Manny. He would completely transform the lineup.
Id rather sign Lowe AND Ollie, forget Manny and have the best pitching staff in the NL and probably baseball. The offense would be fine as it is when our pitchers are throwing gem after gem and Putz and K-Rod are closing out games.
If we can sign Cordero on the cheap, great. Another middle infielder and maybe a righty power bat off the bench if possible that can play the outfield and were set, maybe bring easley back
I’m with you on this. While Manny would be nice, pitching is our real need.
Really? are you sure. I saw all the games last year and all i saw was the bull pen throwing games when we were ahead by 1 or 2 even 3. we have put krod and JJ there so we need to move to manny. we would not loose if instead of hitting into double plays we hit doubles and homeruns instead. Manny would take care of that
So, what, go with a three man rotation?
We also had a starting rotation last year, while right now we have 3/5 slots filled. Pay attention.
Why do people insist that Manny Ramirez is an instant fix to our lineup? It is not proven that he will not strike out or ground into a double play with the game on the line. Give us all a break and stop with the Manny worship. If the Mets do sign him and he does live up to the unbeatable reputation he has, i will be the first to eat my words.
Do you really think signing Ollie and Lowe would give us the best rotation?
No, not the best…but it would definitely give us a great chance every day. Imagine, Oliver Perez or John Maine as a #5 starter? That’s depth right there, and while I wouldn’t mind having Manny, I’m much more tempted to pursue that rotation. jrg, don’t get all mad at everybody just because they disagree with you
whose rotation would be better top to bottom? Only the Cubs if they got Jake Peavy in the NL.
you are anoter clueless bastard
Say’s the guy with spelling error number two….
depends largely on the year commitment for all 3 of them.
Manny for 2 is a lto different than Manny for 4. Same with redding (1 is fine, 2 iffy, 3 bad) and Wolf (2 OK).
It also depends on how close to ready they think Neise, and beyond that parnell and Holt, are to step in if needed.
I would rather do Lowe (if they can ink him for 3/39), 1 of Wolf/Redding, and stretch the budget a bit for Manny.
redding+wolfie+manny=promised land
I understand Wolf for the 5 spot, but not Redding unless it is one year. Lowe/Wolf or Perez/Wolf. Or if not Wolf, Redding for one year and then Niese should be ready.
NOT ME - HITTING ALONE DOESNT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!
exactly…case in point- 2006, 2007, and 2008 NY Mets lol
your right but the pitchers we are talking about are not diffrence makers. now if the mets would have made an offer for CC than i owuld have said ok. but we are talking about wolf and lowe like there # 2 pitchers when there more like 3 and 4
Derek Lowe’s last 10 starts last year:
6-1 with a 1.26 ERA and 3-0 with a .59 ERA in September. You don’t think that would have made a difference for us last year when Johan was our only decent starter in September? If we had Lowe as a number 2 for his last ten starts in place of anyone other than Johan, we win the division by about 3-4 games.
Also, why does he record against the Phillies keep being brought up? That stat is useless!
if we go by record i bring back greg maddux!!
The same reason that people are jumping up and down that we have to have another LHSP and LHRP just because the Phillies signed Ibanez.
ben sheets wasn’t from the expos or national so omar doesn’t have any interest..
ahaaha
That’s different, I mean, Howard is a 1-dimensional hitter that can’t hit lefties, so it does make a difference.
yeah i forgot we play the phillies 150 games a year..
18 is significant, and you gotta beat the crappy teams in your division to win.
No I said I would prefer another LHP in the rotation because it just makes us more versatile. 4 RHP in a row isn’t going to hurt us that much, but it would just be nice to have 2 and 3
Because his record against the Phillies is the only positive thing he’s got to hang his hat on.
We are over stating the fact that even though the phillies are the world champions they are VERY BEATABLE!!! it seems like wow, phillies this and phillies that, yes they won but we can’t sign a bum like redding just coz he was 3-1 against them..
Seriously Alex, who do you suppose we sign for that amount of money to be our #5 starter?
if we aren’t signing manny, or hudson, or any offensive player we should have enuugh money to get lowe/sheets/perez as the 2 guys remaining!!
Alex you can’t go with Perez and Sheets. That’s 5 inning Ollie and 5 start Sheets. Not to mention you have no money left for even bench or another bullpen arm.
gimme lowe and sheets then.. we have the money..
wow, redding?? we are acting like we’re the pirates.. didn’t omar said he will work one step at a time?? #2 pitcher id priority and he’s looking at redding??? gimme a f**** break!!
Alex, we mentioned this yesterday. Go out and get the #5 SP while Lowe waits. It offers us protection and puts pressure on Lowe. You don’t want to wait on Lowe and then him sign somewhere else and us get stuck with Niese and Parnell.
I am guessing we sign Wolf if it’s Lowe and Redding if it’s Perez?
wow, redding and lowe.. that will solve our pitching problem…
Is this sarcastic Alex? Omar has said that he plans on bringing in a top starter and a guy to compete with Niese. Lowe and Redding would fit.
trs:
what if doesn’t happen??
what if we’re stuck with ollie and redding?? how would you grade our SP from 1-5.. at that point blanton would look like a #3 in our team..
calm down alex…who else is going to sign Lowe? Nobody, at least not without the Mets getting an opportunity to up their offer. Omar is playing this right in not outbidding himself.
Again Alex, what do you suggest? We bid against ourself on Lowe to make sure we get him and ignore everyone else until then? Then Lowe decides that he wants more and every other option is off the table by then?
Can’t you see he is trying to wait us out and hope that other teams scoop up all the other pitchers knowing that the Mets will then be even more desperate?
godsend:
is not that i truly want lowe or anything, but if we’re gonna sign an off-injure pitcher why not make it at least the best one available which is sheets u know.. redding, wolff.. come on..
alex- i agree sheets is a better pitcher, but he wants 10 mil a season. i am pretty sure the offer to redding is nothing near that, and i am also sure that this is to show Lowe and Perez that they are not the only options available (even though they are two of the best). it is all a strategy into forcing them to show their hands, thats all. redding, if signed, will compete for a spot with niese and will most likely lose because Omar loves that kid…but redding could also fit in as a long relief man since Heilman is gone.
What does Redding bring to the table? He won’t consistently get through the 6th inning, so he’s not an innings eater. And he hasn’t proven to be durable in his career. Who needs him for 5.5 mediocre innings?
If you’re going to have a guy who won’t eat innings, he’s at least got to have potential to shut teams down. If he’s not going to shut teams down he’s got to stretch it out and save Manuel from having to do the 6th inning specialist carousel.
I’d rather Omar get creative in a trade for the fifth starter. Niese can give the Mets 5 tightrope innings just like Redding.
I’m not that thrilled with Redding but I’ll be content if the Mets plan is to sign Derek Lowe as well.
The way I look at, the Mets have two options presented to them. ONE, sign Manny. TWO, sign Redding. You can either choose to spend, and field a winner, or cheap out on us and sign GARBAGE LIKE THAT BUM REDDING!! Citi-Field will rock one way or the other….it’s either gonna be cheers and a place a$$ociated with good times(MANNY)…or a raucous, angry place booing the love out of Redding and the building.
PREDICTION - If Redding is signed, he’ll eventually end up getting booed worse than Mota, Heilman, Matsui, and Rojas combined. He’ll be the face of Manny’s absence.
at it*
What in the world are you talking about? It’s not either or here. In fact, the Mets signing Redding makes it more likely they can afford Manny not less.
I hardly think Manny and Redding’s signings are interconnected on the direct level. However, it’s a philosophy thing. If the Mets sign Redding, they’re not trying to win a World Series, so I wouldn’t expect Manny. If they sign Manny, they Are trying to win a World Series, and I wouldn’t expect a Tim Redding signing.
? So if the Mets sign a cheap Redding to be their #5 starter then they are not trying to win a championship? Are you a Yankee transfer?
What are you expecting? The Mets have to sign Lowe, Perez and Manny if they want to win?
I’ve been a Mets fan all my life, and I’ll thank you to control yourself from insulting me like that ever again.
I could take or leave Lowe, and quite frankly I’d like to think the Mets could retain their players, and add to their team that didn’t get it done if they have to. F-Rod from Wagner is a lateral move, so that doesn’t count. Putz was a trade, and we’re still about 20 million under what was spent last year. Manny, Ollie, and Pedro in my opinion should not be too much to ask for. Ideally, I’d like to add Ben Sheets, but I’ll take Manny, Ollie, and Pedro.
Tim Redding is a SCRUB, and has no business in a Mets uniform unless it’s for a spot start coming up from the Minor Leagues. Ridiculous that there has been as much print, and hoopla about Tim Redding as there has been. It’s insulting frankly, and the only reason why these forked tongued reporters agreed to write such effluvium is so that they can really sink their teeth into some real Met bashing stories down the line. Disgusting.
Yeah, because everybody knows the Mets are not trying to win a championship…wow
kherub.. u should be embaraced
lmao im sorry that logic is pretty dumb. Who says the yankees are going to win with their 420 million dollar aquisitions….who says the mets are going to win with manny(ask the dodgers about their ring..oh wait..)…Please get this through your head and anyone else who reads this…NO SIGNING GUARENTEES A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!
yeah, tell that to the Pirates….spending doesn’t abet winning right? Shut Up.
yea tell that to the yankees…200 million dollar payroll and has 0 chamipionships since 2000….how about you shut up.
guys relax, even though the yankees spend 200 millions the team made the playoffs 13 straight year except for last year.. listen, i like and dont like what they do, but to be fair the got 4 million ppl in the stand every year so that means that whatever the fan spend they spend it back on good players..
The Pirates? What a horrible comparison. No, they don’t like to spend…but they also draft horrible, trade away their best players for nothing, and have no money to work with because nobody watches them play. Any team that trades away Nady, Marte, and Bay is just plain retarded in the first place, so idk if that was a good example lol.
I have to disagree. Signing Redding would not be the reason Manny does not come here. I think Redding will perform well. If he wins double digit games from the 5 spot I’ll take that.
I agree saber - Redding is being dissed here but the guy does have good stuff and would be a fine #5. Who else have we had in that spot in years past - shall we go down the list? This would be an upgrade at the 5.
The logic here that this signing would preclude other upgrades to this team is nonsense. Omar still has some moves to make people. chill out
lol, yeah ok DOCTOR….does Tim Redding sell drugs to you? Just what good stuff are you talking about because it isn’t pitches.
Redding will be booed out the door, and then Niese will be in over his head because we’re going to have to rely on him, and he’s gonna get a negative stigma attached to him because he’s not ready for full time duty. Signing Redding is like throwing the season away. Worse yet, not signing Manny will have a residual effect not just on the Mets, but all of baseball in my opinion. Baseball in Ny has a golden opportunity to take a step forward yet still if the Mets sign Manny. If baseball in Ny thrives, it thrives everywhere. If the Mets don’t sign Manny, you can mark my words that baseball will revert to the way it was in the late 80’s, early 90’s….except on a downward spiral instead of an upward one. After the yankays spending this off-season, if the Mets don’t sign Manny baseball as a whole will inevitably suffer. The Ny Times aren’t run by a bunch of dummies…they already see the trends, selling high is smart on their behalf…if the Mets signed Manny however, things can change.
In 5 years time I’d say it’d revert back to the late 80’s early 90’s….not right away…but, whatever….you’ll see.
Oh my that’s something right there.
Wow.
Could you remember to post the following statement at the beginning of all your posts for me please?
*** Warning - The following post is a complete waste of your time. Read only if you’re an ignoramus ***
Thanks.
From what I can read from your posts, the only one here in need of medication is you my friend.
I have to disagree that Redding is a fine #5 who would perform well. Where is his track record of good performance?
His career ERA is more than a half a point higher than league average. He pitched last year in a premier pitcher’s park, granted in front of a terrible defense, to a nearly 5.00 ERA and was actually worse at home (5.61 ERA in Washington!).
You talk about his stuff but his best strikeout toal was 120 in 180 innings (with 65 walks!) and his career average is to strike out less than 2x as many as he walks.
He’s also given up 767 hits in 702 innings. Not a great ratio for a guy who doesn’t strike people out. He’s not really a ground ball pitcher either (.67 gb/fb).
On the plus side, his .788 OPS against last season was not bad for a fifth starter and his .340 OBP against was actually pretty good. His biggest problem last season was the 27 HRs he gave up.
His OPS against last season put him in line with good starters who had bad seasons like Arroyo, Myers and Harang.
But…he’ll be a NUMBER FIVE! Have you forgotten some of the dreck we’ve put out in that role lately? Lima-time ring a bell?????????!????
As long as it is for one year, Redding is fine as a guy to compete with Niese for the fifth spot. Wolf would be good as a fifth as well.
unless i see manny here i will definetely a very bad off season in terms of starting pitchers!!
What does Manny have to do with starting pitchers?
Manny doesn’t pitch.
If the Mets sign Lowe we can’t really complain about the offseason as it relates to the starting pitchers. The revamped bullpen should hopefully make the starters look better than they are. A guy like Putz can come into the middle of an inning and whiff a couple of guys to save someone else’s behind.
Hopefully, Manuel uses Putz that way when appropriate.
That didn’t make any sense, please collect your thoughts and write something worth reading.
That was in response to alex….
I hope this is a joke or something. I still think the Mets will end up w/Lowe or perez plus one of these guys. If redding is the best Omar can do, they’ll be sitting out again in October.
I don’t think Redding is Omar’s solution…what this does is show Boras that his two clients are not the kings of the world right now and that if they wanna play BS games then we will move on without them. Of course, it is obviously just a bluff because we definitely need one of the two.
I actually like this move as long as Omar is not looking at Wolf and Redding and giving up on Lowe and Ollie. As long as we get Lowe or Ollie then Redding is a nice 5th starter. I like the approach Omar has taken this entire offseason. Very deliberate. I think we’re going to have a winner on the field in April.
I still don’t understand why they would take a shot on Wolf or Redding but won’t even look at Sheets.
It really baffles me. Take a shot on 2 year deal if he stays healthy he is ace quality.
Who is interested in Sheets? There has to be more to that last injury.
WE SHOULD BE!!!
Alex, we both know he is great. However, why is he only getting interest from the Rangers and no real interest even then? You have even said yourself that there are rumors of current arm issues. GM’s are affraid to take that chance unless his contract is so low that there is little risk.
I see him at this point getting a 1 year deal for around 8 million with encentives but he may not even get that if he is still injured.
but trs, i would still give him the 8 millions!! he can be great!! i agree we should be scare, but why not take a shot a one of the best pitchers if healthy.. the cubs did it with harden And he pan out ok didn’t he??
He’s not a greater risk than Wolf — Sheets has actually pitched more innings in recent years than Wolf. At least Sheets comes with some upside.
They should at least be examining his medical reports concerning the “strain” that ended his season. If he checks out, I’d certainly be more interested in Sheets than in Wolf.
I just read some interesting articles that it’s not the last injury (the elbow injury), but the earlier shoulder injury that has teams concerned. They seem to think it’s on the verge of being major. I obviously haven’t seen the medical reports, but it really seems to me that he’s worth a flier.
Redding???
Wolf????
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Sign Ollie and Lowe!!
i still say take a shot at sheets, we get perez here too.. i wanna see lowe/sheets/perez… i don’t wanna see REDDING!!! are we for real!!
He had 31 starts in 2008. What injury?
13-9 3.08 era
5 complete games
198 IP
158 k’s
Looks like a solid #4 or 5 to me.
Sheets still wants 10mm a year..and while Yes he’s a better pitcher than Redding, he’s also far more expensive and leaves us without the funds to go after Lowe and/or a LF
we just seem to sound like a team that is hodling their pocket big time.. we have the money to bring back a bunch of players and manny.. but no, we need to save and sign guys like redding.. an outcast from the f***** nationals..
The Rangers aren’t giving him 10mm/yr
NO ONE is.
No one is willing to match the mets 12mm/yr for Lowe yet where has it been reporting Sheets getting 10mm per?
I heard Abreu WANTS 10MM/YR that won’t happen either.
we all have wants……
I have to believe it is worth investigating at the very least.
Abreu wants 16 mm, not 10!
Sheets must want more than 10 mln and how many years on top of that.
Every report I read in December had Sheets being discussed on 2 year deals.
Rangers
Yankees (prior to CC AJ)
Braves
Cubs
he’s also an accident waiting to happen
I would sign Redding over Wolf. More durable and cheaper. Than give Lowe 40 for 3 years and get this done.
sabermetrician says:
January 7, 2009 at 8:53 am
I actually like this move as long as Omar is not looking at Wolf and Redding and giving up on Lowe and Ollie. As long as we get Lowe or Ollie then Redding is a nice 5th starter. I like the approach Omar has taken this entire offseason. Very deliberate. I think we’re going to have a winner on the field in April.
^^took the words out of my mouth
When’s the last time we had a fifth starter throw 182 innings? The Redding is a good option.
How happy, and thus how effective, will Lowe be if he feels underpaid? When’s the last time you overperformed when the clown in the next cubicle makes more money but does less?
For all those who think Manny will play for less than 23 million per year, you’re kidding yourself. Manny won’t dress for less than 20, much less play.
The best plays are for 1-2 year players at slightly below what they wanted. Lowe wants 16 million over 5. Offer him 1 @ 15 and tell him to try again next year if he thinks he can do better. More players are being squeezed. I think pateince will leave a few bargains on the table.
Redding at 5 million a year is not a bad deal
exactly how I feel about Lowe. Although we all know about Ollie, the guy is 7 years younger and a lefty. I’d take my chances signing Ollie over Lowe for a long term deal. Lowe will be 40 at the end of a 4 year deal. Thanks but no thanks. Face it folks, lefty’s with the kind of velocity and stuff Ollie has are not that common.
How many times has Redding thrown 182 innings? Once. His next highest total was 170 something in 2003.
Redding and Wolf does not get it done. That puts way too much pressure on Pelf to pitch like a #2 and we’re just not sure what we’re getting out of Maine this year.
guys look we all know wolf/redding and the majority of the FA left out there will be end of the rotation guys…can we get over omar trying to sell them as Front end starters please……
and as far as omar……i dont think he “gave up” on lowe or perez…maybe he is just multi tasking and making sure we got a hand in his top choices before anyone else does.
Reasons why Randy Wolf would be cool on The Mets
1-We could call him Tha Wolf Man
2-When he strikes out a guy they could do wolf calls over the PA system
3-We could have Wolf Man promotional day where everybody gets a Wolf mask
These reasons are more important than if he is a good pitcher.
After all he would be coming to the Mets where once you sign on the dotted line your fate lies in a whole different place
and when he gets injure??
the wolff has left the pack??
“I am always suspect of a pitcher who has been with four teams in three years, all while pitching with a high-4.00 ERA and missing a whole bunch of games due to injury. ”
Hmmm… how many others can you name?
Tim Redding is one
Technically, no he isn’t. He’s been on three teams in the last 4 years.
I’m just laughing at Cerrone’s post because he’s awfully specific about Wolf’s suspect stats to say “I’m always…” as if there are a ton of players who match all those criteria that he’s been suspicious of.
I agree with Cerrone. Wolf does nothing for me at all. Sign the best lefty on the market right now and that’s Ollie.
We need Randy Wolf to make a Wolf day promotion.Who cares if he can pitch.He would be our Nino Espinoza.
As much as I also love Manny - tying him up for 3-4 years is not the best long term plan. Especially if you look at the FAs available next year - i.e. Holliday and Vlad. Personally I’d rather break the bank open for either one of those 2 than give it to an aging, weird Manny.
Vlad is a former Expo, so you know full well Omar is going to be in on him.
yeah, specially now that he’s gonna be 37..
and is pretty much physically shot.
right - that’s the excuse they used last time they didn’t sign him..
I thought he was up there in age too, but I just checked and he’s only 32.
he’s taking a tool for carrrying the angels the past 6 years.. is like he’s 43.. that’s what i meant.. and to think we could’ve had him in 2002.. man..
Sheets could still go back to the Brewers too guys…He will definitely get 10mm a year for two years from some team..I hope it’s the Mets but I don’t think it will be. Redding is nice fifth starter..I see no problem with him, we have a meeting with Boras today so let’s see how it goes before going off the deep end about how we’re not going to get either Lowe or Perez (I prefer Lowe, tired of the agita that Perez gives me)
here;s the difference about lowe and perez, perez will be the phillies, yankees, braves, marlins.. lowe will be the padres, pirates, giants and nats..
this is fact?
it is at least with perez.. he was undefeate against those teams i mention last year..
But it’s Ollie. You want to bet real money that he does it again?
But that’s the thing Alex. The last 2 year’s it’s not been those teams to keep us out of the playoffs. It’s the others you mentioned that 5 inning Ollie kills us in.
You can’t have a guy that goes 7 innings 2 runs then 3 1/3 innings 3 runs, 5 innings 4 runs, 2 2/3 innings 5 runs, 7 innings 0 runs.
That’s what Ollie gives us. Ends up with an ERA around 5.00 but only 2 good games out of 5 and kills the pen 3/5 games.
0-0 against ATL with a 3.72 ERA in 19.1 IP, (3 games started)
Is that really UNDEFEATED? he didn’t pitch graet, the others…fine
Yeh but he actually averaged getting out of the 5th inning. That’s a superstar game for Ollie.
Ollie is just not worth the money, years and picks we lose.
manny is now the only missing piece. wilpons: turn omar loose!!!!
Not true, Manny is one of the missing pieces to the puzzle but many fit.
You would not win the WS with Manny in the lineup and Niese and Parnell in the rotation.
I would sign Sheets or Redding, etc and still pursue Lowe or Ollie. Doesn’t anyone remember we had Jorge Sosa starting, Nelson Figueroa, etc? Wouldn’t some of these “scrub” people be better than altering a 5th guy every 2 starts
I mean Maine gave you 140innings last season, Sheets went 200. Redding went 180 starting 33 games, his stats aren’t that bad for being on the Nationals. Maine has yet to prove he is durable for the stretch towards the end of the season in my opinion, so it may be necessary to pick up a Redding like player even if we get Lowe even if people think he is terrible.
I agree. No matter how you slice it, Tim Redding is better than Nelson Figueroa, Brandon Knight, Jose Lima, Brian Lawrence or any other scrub we had to endure the last few years in that #5 spot.
Exactly, as much as I hated him, there is something to be said about what Trax did for us from the #5 spot. Keep you in a game against usually the other team’s #5 starter and you can win a lot of games.
Everyone always joked around about how much run support they gave him. It’s no coincidence that most #5 starters end up facing the other teams #5.
now that i think about it even though lowe is a proven winner, with a stronger bullpen, i think ollie can be great for us, bc he is a lefty with great velocity and he is still young….i rather sign ollie to a 4 to 5 year deal instead of lowe who will be 40 or more by the end of the deal…and redding as the 5th starter with 180 plus innings that’s good to me, sign him…
man, Omar really needs to sign some guys, or make a trade, so the posters here can have real moves to freak out over!
But, I will throw in my $.02 here.
The concept seems to be Wolf OR Redding. All along, the expectation was Omar would add a top/mid rotation guy (aka Lowe, or Perez), and also look to add a solid innings eater or risk/reward guy to compete for the 5th spot.
Redding probably gets a 2-3 million deal at this point. perfectly acceptable for a 5th starter type to hopefully add some stability to the back of the rotation. Also very moveable contract (to the pen or another team). Basically it gives him options.
Wolf has more upside, but costs more. If he stays healthy again, he can be much better than a 5th starter place holder.
Both Lowe and Ollie isn’t likely, although it would give them a solid rotation. And if Omar does decide to go this way, forget any upgrades to the offense.
One good thing about Wolf is that his brother is a MLB umpire. That can come in handy in terms of balls and strike calls going our way. Maybe he can throw Utley and Howard out of games just for the heck of it.
Also, Sheets I like unless the med report has major red flags.
and if you get Ollie + lowe, the rotation will be a strength, but forget manny.
I honestly can’t decide if they will be better off with wolf + redding + manny vs. Lowe + ollie + murphy
Off topic:
WIth the inauguration date fast approaching, does any one think (or would anyone be surprised if) Bush, a huge baseball fan, pardon’s Clemens and/or Bonds?
And if Bush does…. could Bonds be a legit one year option for the Mets in LF (at the right price of course)?
The image-conscious Wilpon’s don’t want Manny on the team, so there is no way on Earth they are going to want Bonds.
Tim Redding - thanks - I always wondered what El Duque meant in english.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
cver i’m latino but that was funny and clever lol but yea whoever said to sign bonds if he were to get pardoned, noooooooooooooo wayyyyyyyyyy! guys is a jerkO**
I’d much rather they sign Wolf than Redding.
Then, as long as they sign one of Sheets, Lowe, Garland, or Ollie, their rotation will be solid.
Just don’t overpay Lowe whose “value” is certainly not far better than the others despite the false arguments of some. Especially considering Lowe’s age.
Omar tends to overpay but he shouldn’t make that mistake with Lowe.
Lets just say we sign Lowe and Redding. Not the ultimate SP pickups but very solid nontheless. Put our starting rotation to that of the world champ phils and I would take ours over theres anyday of the week. We will have a top 5 rotation with Lowe and Redding and I cant understand why so many idiots on this site think we need every free agent to win. Yes it would be awesome if we got CC, TEX,Manny etc and had an all star team but it just not possible. We got some greedy people on this site who know nothing about how business/baseball works. MANNY will not win us a championship automatically.. will he make us better? obviously..Do we all want him? YES..we want everybody good on our team but there are 30 other teams thats want the same players and spending all the money we have doesnt equate to wins (ex:YANKESS, another ex: BONDS) One player will not win a championship
tim redding is actually a pretty good pitcher so that shows how much any of u know about baseball outside of new york.. u can all keep glaring on the outside but take a look at the numbers….the guy killed the phils last year going 3-1 against them with a 3.41 which was that high becuase of 7 runs he gave them in one game… he gave up 1 earned in all the other 3 games combined, and he was the sole 10 game winner on the worst team in the game. last year at one point he threw 9 straight no decisions.. the nats won 7 of those games and he gave up less than 3 runs in 5 of them… take into account he also lost 2 games giving up only 1 run while the nats got shutout… now… granting the nats early runs instead of late and some productivity in his loses… his record would look something like 16-8 which is pretty good for a guy who made 1mil last year
reddings only problem is the big innings.. i did my research and in each game when redding gave up 5 or more earned runs.. in EVERY GAME atleast 4 runs were scored in one inning… he seems to have trouble limiting the big inning but also played in a pretty good hitting ballpark… i think if citi is anything like shea he should have an easier time making big outs without those monstrous gaps and with our above average defense
Redding had just 14 quality starts in 33 game starts. That is by far the lowest percentage among the group of starters the Mets are considering.
Also, the new park in Washington played more or less neutral last season. About on par with Shea in terms of park factors.
He got killed in Washington last season.
Tim Redding??
Why are we acting like the Pirates!!
Sign Ollie as your 4th or 5th and get Lowe.
Act like a NY team OMAR!!
This isnt KC
Redding looks about as good as Kris Benson-Lite. Do we really need the aggravation of a slightly-higher-than-scrub in the rotation?
No enthusiasm for the older Wolf either, but I would take him over Redding.
I want us to be rid of Perez more than PMart. I don’t see Perez ever becoming the dominant pitcher we’d hoped. Way too erratic. You will end up w/ High blood pressure watching him squander leads and blow close games as the walks pile up, and he then dishes them up to overcompensate. Please, I’m through w/ Ollie.
That’s why I’m hoping against all hope that the Mets sign Derek Lowe.
This is an Omar smoke screen to scare Boras into keeping his price reasonable on Lowe and Perez. The timing of this info coming the day they are meeting is not coincidental.