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Yesterday, the New York Times said free-agent LHP Andy Pettitte rejected Brian Cashman’s one-year, $10 million offer, as the pitcher continues to seek a $16 million deal.
However, the Yankees are still open to negotiating with Pettitte, according to FoxSports.com and the Daily News.
Actually, Joel Sherman of the New York Post believes the Yankees are more likely to lower their $10 million offer than they are to raise it.
In a report about Mark Teixeira for the Bergen Record, Bob Klapisch slips in the following about Pettitte:
“If Pettitte’s career in the Bronx is really over, Flushing would be the logical place for him to land… But the Mets’ hierarchy undoubtedly senses Pettitte and the Yankees are playing a garden-variety game of chicken. If Omar Minaya were to call Pettitte’s agents today, the result would be to give the left-hander the leverage to extract an extra $2 million out of the Yankees… Which is why the Mets aren’t about to pick up the phone - even though the thought has indeed crossed their minds.”
Pettitte in Queens would be painful to the Yankees, and so I can see why such a move might be enticing – for both the player and the Mets, not too mention he’d fit in nicely with, say, Johan Santana, Derek Lowe, John Maine and Mike Pelfrey. However, like Klapisch says, it seems to me that Pettitte and the Yankees will eventually work it out – they’re just going through a rough patch right now.
In mid-December, Jon Heyman of SI.com said Pettitte had a three-year offer on the table from an ‘unnamed team,’ though Heyman has not mentioned the offer since that initial report.
Speaking of starting pitchers…
The Cubs may soon re-open talks with the Padres about RHP Jake Peavy, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
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Lowe and Petty would be good. I just hate looking at his face. I don’t know why.
coz that’s the same face that shut us down for like 10 years!!.. i just think he’d be like another glavine..
Which as a #2-5 would be just fine, especially for 1 year.
Fantasy land here, but IF Omar could get Pettitte and Redding and then sign Manny I would feel just fine.
You must be obsessed with Redding. Keep Pedro with Pettite and Lowe.
Can’t have a player of such low morals on our team.
Do you guys remember his press conference? He swore that he only used HGH once, then he was busted for using it more than once a few weeks later, and again he swore that it was only those three times.
How quickly we forget.
If they get lowe i don’t see them getting pettite, however i think i’d rather have pettite for one year over perez, wolf, or garland. Thats just me but i don’t want perez
no to andy petitte unless is for 5 millions.. lol.. jk guys.
John Maine, Wilmer Flores, Eddie Kunz, and Nick Evans doesn’t get Jake Peavy? Come on…sure it does.
Know what does?
Santa Claus, Bigfoot, a monthly unlimited MetroCard, and an economy bag of strawberry Twizlers.
AKA…Peavy’s not coming to NY. He HATES this city.
Santa Claus has a no trade clause.
My sources just tell me that Bigfoot reach an agreement with the Yankees 30 yrs and 2.5 billion $
Actually Bigfoot is retired and is working part time as the mascot for the Salem Avalanche.
I’m definitely down with trading Maine.
Even if it did, you’d still have to fill two holes in the Mets rotation.
If they added Peavy….Wolf, and I can’t believe I’m saying it, but only in this scenario would Tim Redding make sense…I mean, they should have been in on Mike Hampton or Carl Pavano…Game is fixed bro…it’s so obvious.
Question:
[1] pitching. what about seeking an ace via trade? How about including Maine and and Wilmer and any other minor leaguer not named FMARt, for Peavy? You could then also sign Wolf and Redding to end up with Santana, Peavy, Pelfry, Wolfe, Redding. Maine is good yes, but he could be easily replaced with the above.
[2] 2B. although not flashy, I see that Rubin Gotay is still available. I would not mind him as a backup for Castillo. He excelled while with the Mets.
I LOVE Ruben Gotay…bring him back. No Willie anymore to suppress him.
at this point i’d take willie randolph to play 2b for us instead of that bum we got..
Willie injured himself on that slide into second base on the farewell celebration.
There’s a reason he’s still available. And why he’s not here, and it certainly had nothing to do with Willie.
The guy is terrible. He can’t field and is a worse hitter than Awful Reyes. Terrible.
We were winning when he was out starting second baseman. Then Castillo happened.
That’s just a stupid arguement. In fact I appologize for even responding to it.
I agree that Gotay is bad, but nobody on this Earth is a worse hitter than Argenis Reyes. Even a blindfolded and left handed Rey Ordonez would look like Albert Pujols on PED’s compared to Argenis Reyes.
other than his mediocre skills? Was there some situation we are not privy to?
“We were winning when he was out starting second baseman. Then Castillo happened.”
I was watching TV when 9/11 happened. That’s why I don’t watch TV any more — I couldn’t bear to be responsible for that many deaths again.
Why would you want to trade Maine for another starting pitcher when you could get what you need just using cash? Trading Maine would mean the Mets still would have 2 holes to fill in the starting rotation.
Well, as suming that you do not trade Niese in the deal you would have
Johan, Peavy, Pelfrey, _______ and Niese. You could afford to carry Niese because of how strong Peavy would be. You would only be adding the same payroll as Lowe so you in theory could go out and sign Redding too.
Johan, Peavy, Pelfrey, Redding and Niese.
Is that stronger than
Johan, Lowe, Pelfrey, Maine, Redding? I don’t know.
plus you save a draft pick
But you’re trading young players and prospects so saving a draft pick doesn’t really mean much.
If they are going to get Lowe/Ollie and Redding/Wolfe anyway, that sounds like a lot of effort - not to mention trading a lot of prospects/young players - for what essentailly ends up being a wash.
Maine is admittedly a bit of a question mark given he’s coming off an injury, but he’s definitely a gamer and would like to see him on the Mets for a long, long time.
If there was a deal that included Maine and got you Peavy in the end you wouldn’t do it? The Mets are already looking at a Lowe/Perez with a Redding/Wolf. Making a trade shouldn’t really affect those. It would be a big upgrade.
It would affect those two. Maine is still early in his service time years. I’m not sure he makes over 1 million dollars. Peavey I believe is owed 52 million over the next 3 years. Bringing in his contract would definitely mean they’re not signing Lowe/Perez. More than likely even Wolf and Pettite would be out and we’d be looking at someone like Redding instead.
Good point Gina. The additional expense of Peavy would alter the dyanmics of getting Lowe and/or Ollie (or Pettitte).
Why trade pieces for Peavy when Lowe is available? Especially when Peavy has such an insanely escalating contract. Not to mention trading Maine leaves 2 holes in the rotation.
gotay went to atlanta and was awful. hes not good
I don’t see a down side to offering Pettittle a similar offer as the Yankee’s. If he takes it then we have our LHP that will log some innings for a decent price and 1 year. If he does not then it drives the price up for the Yankee’s and everyone else. What’s not to like?
I totally agree it certainly wouldn’t hurt to ask; I’m supremely skeptical that he’d ever pitch here without us overpaying him, though.
Hmm. I think Pettite is better than the numbers he put up in the Bronx but I’m still not sure he’s worth ten million per, when a guy like Sheets is available for probably a little bit more or guys like Wolf are available for a lot less.
i get happy everytime i hear ben sheets in anybody’s mind but the mets.. funny..
Wolf for a “lot” less? I would think he would cost around 2/16. Don’t you think you could get Pettitte for similar?
You think in the market Wolf is going to get 8 per? I think that’s high, but we’ll see.
Look at what Penny got, injured.
But Pettitte is more likely to give you 200 innings this year and is less likely to command more than a one year deal.
Petite is an interesting idea, but if 10mill isn’t enough to sign with the Yanks, it makes no sense for the Mets.
But, they should make the call to get the Yanks to up their offer, to make sure they aren’t in on Lowe or Ollie. That does help the mets!
If Lowe can’t be had, I’d give Pettitte a one year deal with a possible option. Going to the National League will help him. Certainly beats seeing Redding and Wolf and Garland.
We need another lefty starter.
Perez. Pettitte, even Wolf.
We need someone. Relying on Niese is iffy. Last year, the Phils were an incredibly lefty-heavy team.
Now they’ve gotten rid of Burrell and added Ibanez. Who hit lefties last year, but not much in the rest of his career.
We need lefties.
so are you saying that you’d take any of those 3 OVER lowe, or in addition to lowe? bc I think in addition to is not happening….
Wouldn’t that mean we need to bring in more lefty relievers or something? I don’t think it makes much sense to base your rotation around 4-5 starts a year.
Honestly, I just don’t know. I really like Lowe, and wanted him at first, but that was when I thought we’d keep Perez as well.
We definitely need lefty relievers.
not sure where you got the impression that we were getting lowe AND keeping ollie…I’ve always thought it was an either/or type of thing….(and I still think thats the case, unless i missed something) but i agree with gina, thats the whole difference between a sp and a relief “specialist” they are effective to hitters on both sides of the plate.
Looking into the offseason at the end of last year, I thought we’d make it happen. It soon became apparent that we wouldn’t.
agreed, gina….I would not decide the #2 based on lefty/righty…out of lowe/perez/wolf/pettite, I still think I’d go lowe…
I don’t get it either way. Get the best player for offense and pitching based on talent and not on handedness. Why get a LOOGY when you could get a guy that’s RH and can face both well?
My only concern righty/lefty/ is the Phillies. Their lineup is RIDICULOUSLY lefty heavy.
Howard, Utley, and Ibanez are lefties. Rollins and Victorino are switch hitters. Victorino’s an even split, I believe Rollins is slightly better from the right side.
Werth and their catcher split are righties.
They platoon at 3B, but Dobbs, the lefty, is the better hitter. Feliz is a much better fielder.
All in all, that’s a very lefty heavy lineup.
I don’t think it’s wise to design a team based on facing any other single team, division rivals or not. Get the best guys you can, and you’ll win more games. Hyper specializing is a big reason the pen fell apart the last two years. Lowe’s probably the better pitcher, at this pint.
AGain, so the Mets should base thier offseason on the Phillies roster? The struggles against the other teams is what kills us. Give me consistant players regardless of their handedness.
Last year, F-Rod wanted to prove he could still get the fastball up, and used Ibanez as his platform…he rifled three straight fastballs down his throat, and K’d him…so, adding a lefty with some heat would be ideal…anyone out there fit that description? Anyone at all? preferably young, good in the clutch….Oh, I KNOW!! HOW ABOUT OLLIE!!! BRING BACK BIG GAME OLLIE!!!
but getting him would most likely mean he’s your #2….I’m not sure how I feel about that, and whats more is, it would probably be a 1yr deal, which means we’ll be back to square 1 a yr from now….i’d rather lowe, and we’re set for 3 yrs…again, I dont see them spending that type of money for the #5 hole…
Would if we offered 2/20 he take it just to make the Yankee’s mad at this point?
How about Putz and a high level prospect or even Evans for Peavey? Pads get their closer for the next few years and we have a great staff.
Would your video game accept this trade? Nope. Thus it’s not enough in real life.
Good basis for use of video games, if you have to use the force manual trade then it won’t work.
Seriously, why would the Padres trade for 1 year of Putz with an option? They are not going to compete anytime soon. They want 5 prospects for him.
Now, you could most likely get a very good return from Detroit and St. Louis for him.
I even mentioned earlier when the trade happen. Could we get Street AND Corpas from the Rockies for Putz?
I was under the impression the ollie/wolf are both in the 8-10 per yr range, unless I’m wrong….which would pettite kind of in that group…
Ollie’s going to end up something like 4/40-48.
I was tossing around the idea of trading Maine a few weeks ago and got skewered for it. Glad to see the Hot Stove has gotten dull enough to the point that other people are considering this now too.
However, we should not be targetting Peavy with a trade of Maine. It’s my 2nd favorite SP in the bigs who we should be after - be it now or at the All-Star break.
Doc Halladay.
Any cost (reasonable cost) that doesn’t include Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Santana or Pelfrey that gets us Halladay I’m all for.
Should we make the Playoffs with Santana and Doc, we are talking the rebirth of 2001 Big Unit and Schilling.
I love the idea of Halladay. I loved the idea of CC and Johan, and I love the idea of Halladay and Johan. Duos like that win titles.
Toronto is in such a rut of 3rd place at best finishes, which does not figure to change, so who knows what they would be willing to consider.
Ricciardi already said just a couple of weeks ago very explicitly that they’re not going to trade Halladay.
Yeah, just like the talks between the Cubs and Peavy were “dead and over” a few weeks ago?
Doc can be bought. Everything has its price. Everything.
Since everything can be bought, buy the Mets.
“Pettitte in Queens would be painful to the Yankees,”
It’d be painful for the Mets, too.
but again, how realistic is ollie AND sheets?? wouldnt that be two #2’s, money-wise?
This format is absolutely retarded. Seriously, like made for retards. I really can’t understand how anyone could prefer this retarded format. Stupid. Just stupid.
I want nothing to do with Andy Pettitte. He’s a Yankee, had a terrible 2nd half, wants way too much money and he’s not worth it. He’s a Yankee, has an elbow history. Did I mention that he’s a Yankee? My GF is not even allowed to buy Yankee Candles or Yankee Doodles in my house. I want nothing to do with them.
Despite that “elbow history” he’s pitched more than 850 innings in the last 4 seasons.
the guy is an admitted HGH user, a snitch and hasn’t had an ERA under 4 the last 3 years and will be 37 in 6 months. I want nothing to do with this snitch.
Only Lowe and Sheets have regularly had under 4 ERAs among the available free agent starting pitchers. Are those the only two you would accept?
If I remember correctly you were not in favor of bringing Lowe in either.
Anyway, I don’t hold it against Pettitte for telling the truth under oath in a Senate investigation.
If you refuse Yankee Doodles you’ve gone too far.
If Petitte wasn’t a cheater and a sleazebag, I’d consider him, but he is now living forever in the same place that Mota, Lo Duca, Clemens and the rest of the bums of MLB live.
Gina,
are you kidding me? you said: Why trade pieces for Peavy when Lowe is available? WHY! well for starters, peavy is an ace while lowe is a marginal 2, or excellent 3. peavy is 27! this is a win now and quite frankly even with derek lowe this division will be a race to the end but with jake peavy this division is a no brainer. jake peavy is a top 10 in baseball, derek lowe clearly is not. you said peavy has an insanely escalating contract of 3 yrs 52 mill but thats only 1 mil more per year than the yanks gave burnett and you said you did not think they overpaid for him and as far as im concerned burnett cant even touch jake peavy. were obviousally not getting him, but if we have the chance we should do it in a heartbeat no matter what it takes. this is a win now team. santana wright frankie putz reyes, most of our core are in their prime right now! jake peavy is a stud, while derek lowe is a solid pitcher, the two dont even compare. btw jake peavy is someone you go out and spend the money for, he is an ace, who wouldnt have the pressure of being one here because we have the best already in baseball in mr santana.
OOh, an excellent post. You will be banned.
Why is Peavey an ace and lowe a marginal number 2? I think Peavy is a great pitcher but I guarantee you his ERA will rise outside of Petco. His flyball rates are just too high to sustain it anywhere else.
except, perhaps, “baseball’s new Grand Canyon” aka (at least for now) citifield
this whole redding thing is just so omar can show boras he doesnt need to get lowe or oli its just omar doing a pretty nice job he does not want redding by any means, its just like what he did with fuentes, he never wanted brian fuentes to be the closer of the mets and like he did with street he wanted jj all along baby, solid and nice job m minaya
Gina,
thank for you responding and you know i love to here your reactions because i think that you are very knowledgable but this time i really disagree with you. yes peavys, era will rise when he leaves petco, but from what we know so far citi field will be no band box so i dont think that his era would rise that much. also, dont you think that lowes era will rise considering he is pitching against the worst teams in baseball in the nl west, just a thought. ill take oli over lowe. and lowe is a number 2 at best, i dont see how you can think he is an ace. i would say he would be a decent number 2, but a veryy very good 3. many of the announcers on mlbnetwork have called him a marginal 2 very good 3, so im not the only one.
Lowe is an extreme ground baller there’s no reason to think the park will have much of an affect on his ERA. Not to mention Ollie’s ERA was terrible against those same “worst teams in baseball”, like over 11, so I’m not sure that’s really an argument. Why would you possibly want Ollie over Lowe?
And I don’t think Lowe is an ace. I just don’t think Peavy necessarily is either.
gina i wasnt talking about the park lowe was in i was talking about him facing the giants with molina as their cleanup hitter and the rockies and the dbacks so many times which deflated his era. i dont know why you wouldnt consider peavy an ace that is absolutely rediculous. first of all eh averages more than 200 strikeouts a year, he won the CY YOUNG AWARD IN 2007 and im pretty sure if you win that award then you are a bonafide ace. i think this team needs both in order to win us a world series but if i had to take one ill take oli, i think that he will continue to mature and i think he has the potential to be a veryyy dominant number 2. remember his era is inflated bc of his poor era the first half of last era, he was pretty good when warthen took over.
i would love omar to get sheets and oli, i agree with you kingman. santana, sheets, pelfrey, oli, and maine would be ideal then you have insurance in neise and maybe in pedro martinez who i would like to come back. his teammates love him and i think thats very important he makes the clubhouse alot looser and makes the team laugh which is extremley imp. also thereal i agree with you when your worried about maine being a 5 inning guy. that worrys me a little and bc of this it tends to wear down the pen and if your pen is bad then you are screwed but now with our pen as good as it is atleast for now omar is still trying to improve it, i think its fine to have maine going 6 innings. i dont he is a 5 inning guy i would say 6 though.
Ideally I would prefer a rotation of:
Santana
Lowe
Sheets
Pelfrey
Maine
and Jon Niese as a backup for Sheets. However, I don’t see the Mets getting Sheets, and in that case, I would like a guy who hasn’t been mentioned at all, but is perfect for the 5 spot in our rotation; Odalis Perez. He’s a lefty, he’s under 32, and he knows the division from pitching with the Nationals.
Santana
Lowe
Pelfrey
Maine
Perez (Odalis)
To be honest I have no idea. I’m just as-suming. I would think Wolf could be had for less but it obviously depends on the market which seems to make no sense, at least to me, at this point. But you’re right unless Wolf is signing for 3-4 million less, and they use that money toward something else, Pettite is a much better option.
I posted this yesterday but my predictions on the market are
Lowe 13-15
Perez 12-14
Sheets 10
Pettitte 10
Garland 8-10
Wolf 8
Looper 6
Redding 5
Pettitte is a jerk. The only thing he’ better than is Lima. Anyone insulted over a 10 mil offer while people are suffering all over the country deserves nothing. Send Andy home to Roger. They can stick needles into each other.
good stuff, very handy trs
Not bad TRS….I will take Ollie for 3 years if possible (I know, very unlikely), and Sheets for 2. What an upside you would have there. Maybe.
No Pettitte or Redding (or Pedro) please. And Lowe is so not worth nearly 16. Maybe 12 or 13 I suppose. Boras won’t get Lowe what he has gotten younger, more prominent clients of his….
trs, those look higher than your predictions yesterday
Kingman, I don’t think you can go Ollie and Sheets. That’s 5 inning Ollie to go with 5 inning Maine (if healthy) to go with potential 5 start Sheets and then you would get 5 inning Niese. Too many 5’s.
Yeah TRS, possibly true, but they could pitch 6 as well….Sheets, when healthy, has averaged over 6 IP for his whole career.
I still look at what Ollie and Sheets’ best can be, and while perhaps a bit unrealistic, those guys are so good when healthy and focused.
But Lowe and someone like Wolf or Garland would still make us, in my opinion, with the pen reconstruction, a vastly improved team.
FIVE - FIVE - FIVE DOLLAR FOOT LONG
but again, how realistic is ollie AND sheets?? wouldnt that be two #2’s, money-wise? (This posted higher up for some reason…I meant to reply to the sheets AND ollie comment)
arrgh! not in here, too!