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According to the New York Post, Omar Minaya is expected to speak with Pedro Martinez’s agent next week.
The Post believes Martinez could be open to an incentive-heavy, one-year contract to return to the Mets.
Last night on the MLB Network’s Hot Stove Live, SI.com’s Tom Verducci said Martinez recently rejected a one-year, $7 million offer from an American League team.
Martinez is capable of getting a guaranteed deal. So, the thing with bringing him in to compete with Jon Niese, and, let’s say, Tim Redding and Freddy Garcia, and who knows who else, is that the Mets have not shown the ability to cut ties with a guy of his stature when he starts to struggle. And so, my fear is that Pedro will beat out Niese, get the fifth starter’s spot, raise every one’s hopes, but then struggle - leaving us once again to watch old, stale re-runs of The Pedro Show, because, he’s Pedro Martinez, and the Mets will refuse to cut him.
However, in the end, I suspect Martinez’s future with the Mets has more to do with Derek Lowe and Oliver Perez, than it has to do with money and loyalty.
Yesterday, Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times said two teams, one from each league, are interested in Martinez.
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I love Pedro, and I do think he has something left if he can stay healthy, but that’s the problem. And I feel like we should just be moving on at this point.
Can you please tell me why we aren’t reaching out to Ben Sheets? Is he a child molester or something?
Ummm could it be the arm that is held on by the string we call a shoulder?
Is it really that bad. I haven’t been able to read anything that suggests that his arm is blown.
From what I understand is that there are some injury concearns but not a Mark Prior situation.
Come to think of it…….Mark Prior ,Tim Redding and John Niese should be fighting it out for the fifth spot.
Oddly enough his ERA went down after his injury. I think Hardball times posted an article on that.
Please let Pedro go… he was good at the first signing and gave it all he had. Unless he is pitching for free – move on….
Hey Omar dont forget to talk to El Duque also since he is in the same old age home as Pedro
if we lose Lowe I say bring Petey back with Ollie. If he really turned down $7 million it shows that he is confident that he can do the job for the Mets. The price will be right, give him a shot
I Love Pedro
I’ll take him back.
His breaking stuff is dirty enuf to be an effective pitcher.
Look at the success Glavine had with fastball – changeup difference of 5 to 6 mph.
I want Pedro back – he’s got a ton of heart.
This can also be an indication of Lowe coming to the Mets.
I was watching MLB Networks Red Sox World Series documentary and Lowe and Pedro are clownin strong . . . .good stuff.
I mean if you can get Petey on a “heavily incentive laiden” deal worth upto lets say $10M, why not at least kick the tires? Odds are likely that he would be better than say Tim Redding
Would give him Pedro no more than $4 million guaranteed, with incentives up to $8 or 9 million I guess
But signing Lowe or Sheets is a must before signing Pedro, Redding, Garcia, etc.
i bet u he has a very good year as a 4 or 5 this year…
i dont know why everyone is like “he’s old, bring back el duque while ur at it”
duque was a TWO year deal, thats terrible
if this is a ONE year deal, he’s pedro freakin martinez, top TWO pitcher of my generation (im 30)…and he’s still relatively speaking, YOUNG..YES, he’s been hurt, but he’s not coming off any surgery, he’ll have a full year to work out, etc..the guy is an amazing pitcher, and is WORTH a one year flier as a FIFTH starter…even for what he brings to the clubhouse
u can have enough starting pitching…i’ll take petey, redding, and lowe or ollie (i’d rather have lowe AND ollie or ollie and sheets)
There is NO way I would give Pedro 7 million. Even if we signed Lowe I would only give Pedro similar to what Redding. About 3 million. You want to throw all kinds of incentives in fine. But no more than 3 million guarnteed. Otherwise like Matt said, we will be wishing he was injured if he isn’t just to get him off the team.
best news we’ve heard in a while…
Pedro 9 K performance in his last start shows when healthy he can still be very effective…
and if/when he’s not healthy thats what Niese is for…
did you also forget he gave up 5 runs to the cubs triple A team????
pedro.. NO… Please.. NOOOOOOO
I hope Niese is ready during the 1st start.
I’ll be really upset if we sign this guy.. really upset becoz it’d still be like signing alou or el duque.. often unjure players wit the mets who help wit their demise the past 2 years
Pedro/Niese > Redding/Niese
If he’ll come here for an incentive heavy one year deal, Omar would be silly not to sign him up. It’s frickin Pedro Martinez!
It used to be Pedro Frickin Martinez. Now it’s just ….. Done.
Yeah, I know he’s not what he once was, and while I don’t think he can be relied upon, in the right situation he still has the stuff to be successful.
Plus, I got his replica jersey for like $5 last year and want more reason to wear it.
My issue is if they sign Pedro is Niese going to be the number 1 back-up?
I agree with you whole heartedly. If we sign our number two (Lowe/Ollie/Wolf) and sign Tim Redding, then I am not sure the loser would be either willing or able to go into the Bull Pen or the minors for that matter.
Pedro basically has the same stuff now than in 2005 when he went 15-8. I even think he throws harder now, so you never know how he will pitch after another year after the surgery.but we cant rely on him anymore like we did before.
So that same stuff ended up with him having an ERA of 6.00 and an insane WHIP?
the problem was not his stuff, it was the location. did you watch him pitch in 2005? he was throwing 88mph. last year he was touching 91mph.
DB08:
you my dude man but i gotta agree with the real on this one.. pedro is don and in no way he should be here next year.. get garland and sheets/perez/lowe.. stable pitchers who don’t get hurt.. we’ve had a lot of that the past 2 years..
To be fair you can’t really put Sheets in that list can you?
But still Pedro would require us signing Lowe/Perez, Pedro AND Redding. What happens when Pedro gets injured and Maine is not ready? Back to Brandon Knight?
Well IMO, at this point Sheets is a better pitcher than Pedro, Pedro can be a 4/5 type when healthy Sheets can be an ace. Plus most of Sheets injuries have been random/fluky type injuries that weren’t related to each other like blisters, some weren’t even related to pitching like an ear infection, really the shoulder injury is the first really serious pitching related injury he’s had. Where as Pedro has had enough for like 3 pitchers.
TRS:
I stated my point many times, is not that i think that sheets is that man or anything, i don’t.. but right now to me he’s the best pitcher out there.. he pitch 31 starts last year and did good.. imagine if we would’ve had anybody pitch like he did on his 31 starts.. maybe it will be us the world champions and no phillie.. i just don’t wanna see the reddings, wolffs, and grabage of “5th” starters out there in our team when we have the money to get at least 2 guys at 25 millions.. being perez/sheets/lowe/garland..
Thank you gina.. great job.. and is funny how we are salivating about lowe when sheets can straight up shut down an opponent any time.. we should remember when he faced santana what he did to us..
TRS – RE: ‘To be fair you can’t really put Sheets in that list can you?’
And if you take Sheets off that list of ’stable pitchers’, then you must remove Wolf too.
People seem to forget, or ignore (not saying you) that Wolf’s injury history, as far as time missed, is almost identical to Sheets’.
Yet, I continue to hear Wolf’s name on fan’s wishlists, and those same people saying ‘Sheets is too much of a risk’.
Do people even know Randy Wolf’s background??
Why settle for a below average pitcher like Wolf, who’s had a bad time with injuries, when we get can a real deal pitcher like Sheets with the virtually the same injury history??
It makes zero sense.
Get me some Sheets!!!
well put daaaryl.. but honestly if we looking a at guy like sheets or wolff.. or .. (sigh) pedro we need either lowe/perez or garland becoz those guys don’t have a history of getting hurt, and we now have a back up plan in niese in case someone gets hurt as oppose to the last 2 years where we used the likes of: sosa, lawrence, sanchez and co.
I think the you might be right here. Pedro’s velocity was up but his comand wasn’t. I also think that he wasn’t able to stay healthy long enough for him to get into a ………dare I say it “rythm”. Seriously though, he did not have enough starts to find any command.
so you wanna sign pedro at 37 and HOPE he finds his command??
face it man, he just doesn’t have it anymore!!
*rhyth.
By the way, I am not crazy about brining Pedro back, but it won’t be the worst thing either. I am just saying he has a lot of sleeper value. He might give us a solid season. Would I hinge my season on Pedro…..absolutely not.
what does ryth means??
i’ll take a risk on Pedro as long as he has to win the job in ST…
Sign Lowe – 3yr/ $44 mil
Sign Pedro – 1yr/ $5 mil guaranteed, w/ incentive options
Sign Ohman – 2 yr/ $7 mil
Cut Castillo
Trade Delgado to Anaheim for 2B/3B Chone Figgins and a low-level pitching prospect
Move Murphy to 1st
Promote Martinez to MLB and play in LF
See how the team does for a few months. Pitching would not be our problem – it would be hitting if anything. Reassess the team at the trading deadline and replace whoever isn’t producing with a trade.
for the millionth time Delgado is not being traded and Castillo is not being cut
From what I can gather, you are incorrect.
i am aware that your proposal is completely ridiculous and unrealistic
thanks
Oh relax buddy, have a sense of humor.
lol, from what i now one of you is wrong..
a) what makes you think murphy can play everyday at 1st. b) from what I understand, FMart is nowhere near ready to move up yet, the plan on him is more like ‘10, or ‘11.
I’m just saying, if we want to stick to a budget, and Manny isn’t an option, then let’s give these kids a chance. You never know when you are going to strike lightning in a bottle. It just makes sense to me to get a whole lot younger rather than trying to win with guys like Alou, El Duque, Pedro, Tatis, Delgado, Castillo, etc. And yes, I put Delgado in the same list as the rest of those injury-riddled players because I, for one, still remember that he has a problem with his hip. If that injury comes into play again, we are in big trouble. Might as well give some kids a chance is all I’m saying.
Yeah, FMart has been the picture of health in his young career.
Maybe we’ll play all the kids until we’re out of the race… and then trade for some vets? Reverse psychology!
Hey, it can’t be worse than a September collapse.
Can Martinez actually have a big minor league season (and make it through without missing games for broken nails) before he starts in LF for the New York Mets?
Pedro certainly got burned with location at times. That could be related to rust.
But I wonder if he was somehow tipping pitches too?
I think you are right Stick. His arm angle is different post-OP and I think I remember Ron Darling talking about how that might be leading to tipped pitches as well as command issues.
i’d rather watch pedro “possibly struggle” than watch Ollie or Wolf severely underperform their cotract
Call me crazy, I am well aware of the stats and I know they offer no indication of this, but I think Pedro still has something left in the tank. Last year was such a roller coaster ride for him, all the progress he made in his recovery, the high hopes coming out of spring, a demoralizing injury, and ultimately the death of his father. With the past behind him, maybe things can finally be full steam ahead for Pedro. I’d love to see him go out the true champion that he is in a Mets uniform.
Actually there are plenty of stats that support that idea Pedro has a lot left and was actually a better pitcher last year than his ERA would indicate. My issue with Pedro isn’t that I think he’s done. It’s that if he goes down we’re left depending on Niese.
well the plan is to have someone compete with Niese so having Pedro start the year with guys like Figueroa, Niese, Parnell (probably a reliever), other veterans in AAA is really not a bad idea
well said, gina….and although we know he has good stuff, (needs to rely a bit less on that curve ball though) Niese has in no way proven that he is ready, which if pedro gets injured in his 1st start could be disastous.
Ollie and Pedro 2009. Lock it up! ha
case:
to be honest, you did say that as a jokebut now, is just might be reality!!
We’ll let Atlanta overpay for Lowe then get Ollie for FREE. Give Pedro a Glavine or Penny like contract and take a Colon like flyer on Garcia.
Santana
Pelf
Ollie
Maine
Pedro
Garcia
Niese
Figgy
penny got 8 millions.. you seripusly wanna sign pedro back?????? and if so at 8 millions per????? case:
are you serious??
Actually, I meant to say Hampton and Penny. So my range would be $2M guar w/ $2M incentives (Hampton) to $5M guar w/ $3M incentives (Penny).
i honestly what u see in pedro that i don’t.. seriously case.. i just do not want this gyuy back.. he doesn’t deserve it at all.. as a mets fan i tell you, we don’t own anything to this guy, and if you or anybody uses that : “he brought credibility crap” then i’d say: “we also gave him 52 millions for 77 games line ok.. so stop it..
“Change the face of the team” has become “change the face of the bullpen” and then forget any other changes haha.
lol, omar adresses one need of the team while letting the other stand pat.. convince that the offense will have the same out put watch us struggle in offense big time this year.. he sign tatis early so no one can say anything about it.. he forgot he almost broke his shoulder last year.. but no.. omar has the loyalty of the mets stupidiy of organitazion.. the wilpons by giving him that 4 year deal was a horrible desition, specially on the verge of CHOKING again!!
yeah, I’m not sure how trading delgado, bringing up fmart, etc is related to possibly bringing back pedro…..that said, I would not be totally against giving him a shot…(1 year deal, low salary, incentive heavy, etc, obviously)
Oh I’m sorry, let’s all stick to the headline people. I guess we have to wait until a blog topic comes up about trading Delgado to mention it. Sorry to upset you longisland.
lol.. come on md.. to be honest iwant delgado gone too.. never liked him since he dissed us 3 years ago..
I agree alex, not only did he disrespect us by signing with FLA, but he disrespected us again last year by not giving his all under Willie. He needs to be shipped off to save us some cash and allow us the flexibility to make a trade/signing either now or at the deadline. His value can only get lower as the season goes on, so in my opinion (oleosmirf), it is completely feasible that Delgado may not be here come April 1.
is it theoretically possible yes but the Mets dont see Delgado as a problem so they arent going to move him
Okay – all I’m saying is, they should consider it. If something pops up, and I do believe some teams may come to the Mets about Delgado, they should seriously consider it addition by subtraction and get whatever prospects they can. With the status of the Type A/B free agents today, most teams are hungry to trade rather than sign. Let’s just wait and see what happens.
he was part of the chokes we’ve had last 2 years.. so why not shipped him out while his value is high.. saunders from the angels maybe?
relax, I was simply questioning what made you think we would trade delgado, (and realistically, why would you want to) what made you think murphy is ready to be an everyday starter, and what made you think that FMart was ready to move up, especially as the everyday left fielder….thats all…
I don’t think they are “ready”, but the term ready can have so many different meanings. I know Wright and Reyes tore up AA before coming up. But I just get this sense that the Mets are going to hold off on Martinez until he “proves” himself in AA by hitting some ridiculous numbers down there. I just don’t want him to be another prospect that never got a shot because of a win-now mentality. Give him a shot now. As for Murph, he has proven he can hit. Replacing Delgado’s glove with Murphy wouldn’t be such a devastating proposition. The kid can play.
if you had said get rid of delgado, make a run for manny for left, then platoon murphy and evans at 1st, it would have made more sense, but to get rid of delgado (and no matter how much you dislike him, his pretty much guaranteed 35hrs) and replacing those hrs with, how many by murphy? how many by fmart? it just didnt make sense the way you said it, thats my point.
Gotcha, that makes sense. Evans would be a better option at this point.
Searching for a way to palliate the Manny situation, I turned to the I Ching….well, the online version anyway, but tossed the coins myself…I asked if Manny would sign with the Mets, and that was the fortune told….add the w’s…
ifate.com/iching_reading.html?I768688
THE TURNING POINT!! Fruit to bare in every direction! MANNY WILL BE A MET ACCORDING TO 5000 YEARS OF ANCIENT CHINESE WISDOM AND DIVINE MATHEMATICS!!! Sooo…don’t sweat it…Manny is a comin…
I’d prefer a reliable innings guy in the fifth spot than to take a chance that Jon Niese has to pitch games in September again with that deer in headlights look on his face.
Omar should exchange pleasantries with Mr. Cuza and ask when Pedro will be willing to comeback as the Mets pitching coach.
matt i don’t agree with your opinion on pedro. you gotta believe.
delgado addition by subtracton???
he hit .271 40 HR 115+ RBI
replace that with Nick Evans who might give you 12 HR and you have a team with around 85 wins at the most
but then again, evans wouldn’t be our #4 hitter… delgado is.. and in 2007 as our #4 hotter he killed numerous rally that could’ve given us at least 3 more wins..
This is great news!! wait no its not, this stinks!!!
Cerrone:
Did Pedro kick your dog or something?
I wish this could happen:
1.Reyes SS
2.Hudson 2B
3.Wright 3B
4.Ramirez LF
5.Beltran CF
6.Delgado 1B
7.Church RF
8. Schneider C
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1.Santana
2.Lowe
3.Pelfrey
4.Perez/Maine
5.Perez/Maine/Martinez
That would be awesome.
It’s not going to kill us to sign Lowe and Redding and Pedro and let Pedro and Redding battle it out for the 5th spot in spring training and if Niese has an inspired spring, you trade one of the veterans, hand the job to Niese. Then if he succeeds, you have a veteran starter in the organization to come in at the first sign of injury OR a long relief guy to keep the bullpen fresh. If Niese fails, you have your fallback position in place and still have a backup guy. Depth for our starting rotation needs to be more of a priority than it’s been the past two years.
Please say no to Pedro. Awful, awful, awful. It’s nice and all to be sentimental and think of Petey when he was dialing it up to 98 and then making people like silly stupid with a 72mph change.
He’s a junk baller now given that he has to throw breaking stuff just about every pitch. His control isn’t even close to what it used to be either with the fastball. If he could still locate 90% of the time, he’d be OK but he can’t.
Mix up his less than mediocre fastball, not so great location, and injury baggage and you have a nice neat pile of disaster.
I love Pedro. He has great energy but seriously it is time to move on.
I meant 80% in the first line