Update, 6:19 pm:
Andrew Marchand of ESPN 1050 Radio reports the deal is done.
Update, 3:47 pm:
According to the Denver Post, Redding and the Mets have agreed in principle to a one-year, $2.2 million deal.
Update, 2:05 pm:
According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, the Mets are on the verge of signing free-agent RHP Tim Redding to a one-year, $2.25 million contract with incentives.
Ken Davidoff of Newsday believes the deal could be worth around $2.5 million, which is closer to what I wrote earlier this afternoon.
In 33 starts, Redding was 10-11 with a 4.95 ERA through 182 innings for the Nationals last season.
He underwent surgery on his left foot in November, but, reportedly, will be 100 percent by spring training.
Update, 12:20 pm:
From what I can gather, the Mets offered Redding a one-year deal, worth less than $4 million per season – and he’s open to accepting it.
…i have a feeling, based on conversations with people connected to the team, that he is minaya’s mark for the fifth-starter spot, and a deal may soon be worked out…
Update, 12:46 pm:
In a report for 1050 ESPN Radio, Andrew Marchand says the Mets are the clear front-runners to sign Redding, adding, “While nothing is official yet, a deal could be finalized as soon as today.”
Update, 12:50 pm:
If agreed to, the deal is likely to be for just one-year, and roughly $2.5 million, according to people connected to the player.
Original Post, 11:24 pm:
Ken Davidoff of Newsday believes the Mets are ‘exchanging contract parameters’ with free-agent RHP Tim Redding, ‘whom they view as a strong option for their fifth starter’s job.’
On Wednesday, Mike Fitzpatrick of the Associated Press said the Mets already made an offer to Redding, who Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com once said could require a two-year deal.
According to Ben Shpigel in today’s New York Times, “Even if the Mets sign Derek Lowe or Oliver Perez, they will still retain interest in Redding and free-agent Randy Wolf as competition for the fifth starter’s job.”
…yes, i’m going to say it, Johan Santana, Derek Lowe, John Maine, Mike Pelfrey and Tim Redding, with J.J. Putz and Francisco Rodriguez, is not bad at all…i hope this is what happens, with Jon Niese waiting in the wings…
Fitzpatrick says the Mets are close to making an offer to Wolf, who is seeking a three-year, $30 million deal, according to Rosenthal.
…i suspect the Mets see wolf and redding occupying the same role, i.e., it’s one or the other…i can’t see the Mets signing lowe, plus redding, plus wolf, especially if wolf really expects to get a three-year deal…
In 33 starts, Redding was 10-11 with a 4.95 ERA through 182 innings for the Nationals last season.
He underwent surgery on his left foot in November, but, reportedly, will be 100 percent by spring training.
Wolf is 90–78 in 245 career games, only four of which were in relief. He has not won more than nine games and made more than 23 starts in a season since 2003.
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Wolf and Redding are both terrible…but I think Wolf is worse (and will cost more). I don’t care who they sign, but I’d like for Niese to have a shot at the fifth spot. There’s no question in my mind that while he could be worse than those guys, he could also be a lot better.
That has got to be the winner for the “Emmit Smith Comment of the Day”
If Redding or Wolf gets signed, then that should end any chance of Pedro coming back.
Wolf yes, Redding’s cost could actually allow us to bring in Pedro too.
how on earth could this team value Tim Redding higher than Pedro Martinez? If the plan is really to have Niese waiting in the wings if the 5th starter falters or gets hurt and they chose Redding who is terrible over the best pitcher of our lifetime they must be on some serious drugs.
The only way to bring both of them in is if Redding agrees to a minor league deal or something like 2 mil guaranteed and a guaranteed spot in the bullpen if he doesnt get the job. If Pedro is signed it will be with the idea of giving him the job im sure
are you serious?
tim redding right now is better than pedro x2..
my pitching wish list
1) Ollie and Sheets, with Redding signed to a cheap deal as insurance (a 5 ERA doesnt automatically give him a rotation spot, sorry)
2) Lowe and Ollie
3) Lowe and Wolf, and Pedro
1a) Chad Cordero, and Dennys Reyes
hitting wish list
1) Manny
2) Nady
3) Manny
4) Mr. Ramirez
LMAO @ your hitting list!!
Well all I know about Wolf is that we can never touch him, so he can’t be that bad.
But honestly if it’s between these 2 and Pedro for the “5th candidate that needs to beat out Niese” role, I have to go with Pedro. Clearly he has the most upside, as well as the motivation to make good on his last 3 years in NY and his familiarity with the team and influence in the clubhouse. Is Tim Redding adding anything but some innings? And while I’ve always thought Wolf was pretty decent. he does seem to get hurt alot.
I am sure Wolf and Redding are type B at best, but does anoyone know if their teams offered aribtration and what comp for the lower tier FAs is, if anything? Pedro also costs no compensation.
No compensation for either guy.
One big difference with Redding. he could shift to the pen as a long guy, and serve as a spot starter too.
Pedro? Either he gets the rotation spot, or he will be a problem (unless, of course, he is on the DL!)
I have to say I just dont understand the fascination with Redding. The only thing I can think of is Omar thinks hell come cheap. Believe it or not, Braden Looper is a more viable alternative, just look at the numbers. Also, why no talk of Petitte for two years if Lowe falls through?
Do you know the money Redding is seeking? 2.5-3 million. There is a big difference between 10 million and 2.5.
branden looper??? i don’t think so…
Looper is basically the same pitcher as Garland.
Talent wise, Wolf is the best among himself, Garland and Redding. But he’s also the least likely to pitch a season.
As much as I was initially against the idea, I’m starting to lean more toward a Pedro/Niese combo in the 5th, even though I really don’t think Niese is ready for the big time yet.
no looper, please, please god no. personally i’d rather have pedro back over redding, but he’s not the worst option in the world. He’s average for a back end guy, and most importantly he’s consistent. is era is 5ish but he gives you a chance to win each game. i believe most teams would take a 5th starter who’s .500 with a sub 5 era, esepiecially one who will give you 6-7 innings each start. Us winning or losing will not depend on tim redding
Who would you guys rather have for the 5th spot? Wolf, Redding, or Pedro? If we sign Redding do you think we would still try to sign Pedro?
Also I bet if the Mets signed Lowe, Manny and Any of those three the Confidence rating would be in the 9-10 range! What do you think?
how about garland?
I fully believe that we can go with Pedro AND Redding for the #5. You can afford to over pay Redding a little or give the 2nd year just to have protection for Pedro. Redding for 2/5 million is a steal.
Do you believe that we would need another lefty in the rotation if and when we sign Lowe? I guess I would have to go further in asking if you think that Wolf can be that guy. I say this because the Phillies are lefty heavy now, and we play them a boat load of times.
I know that some people feel that matchups with starting pitching is over rated and one should just build the strongest rotation possible regardless. My thinking is that Wolf is the better pitcher and he brings the added bonus of being a lefty.
I guess if you go with Redding though you can tackle the fifth spot with three possibilties (Redding, Pedro or Niese) while Wolf would just have to beat out Niese.
Seriously, NO. I am not worried about the Phillies against our RH. Lowe has even splits and so does Redding.
Getting Tim Redding means one thing…Steve Trax turned us down.
Am I the only one that sees a potential problem with a Saint Johan/Lowe/Pelf/Maine/Redding rotation? Four righties back to back in your starting rotation? I definitely want Derek Lowe on my team, but I’d rather have the 5th spot go to a lefty so there’s at least a chance any given 3-game series will have variety in the starters.
Redding’s splits are even, Lowe’s splits are close to even. Enough with the handedness. They are all different pitchers. Johan being Johan and the seperate Pelfrey and Lowe and everything else is good.
Precisely. Get the best 5 pitchers you can get. Period.
Lowe’s OBP against by lefties last season was under .300. That sounds just fine to me.
Wolf had 12 wins last year, while starting 33 games with a low 4 era. He won’t cost a pick either and he’s a lefty! I’d take him for the 5th spot in a heartbeat.
If you are going to sign Wolf for 30 mil why not sign perez?
Well, it depends who’s left standing at the end of the Perez negotiations. I’m guessing Boras is going to wait for Lowe to sign before anything serious happens with Perez. I don’t think Perez is going to sign for 30 mil.
Wolf “wants” 3/30. Perez “wants” 5/70. No one is going to give either one what they “want”
Wolf maybe gets 2/15. Perez maybe 4/44.
UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE,
UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE,
UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE,
It’s UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE, Manny, Hudson, Lowe, & Sheets are still available.
It’s UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE, Mets Money is so tight.
It’s UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE, the amount of patience it requires to follow this team day in and day out, UNFREAKINBELIEVABLE!!!
How the heck did you survive last offseason?
Omar is waiting out the market to get his players at his price. Aren’t you happy hhe got K-Rod at for 3/36 instead of 5/70? That was done by patience, and proper negotiating. This team is not the Yankees, and they don’t have the bottomless pockets (and irresponsibility the Yanks do -who asked for more money for their stadium, to upgrade the bathrooms and restaurants).
This time last year, Johan was a Twin. This time in 2005, the ink was barely dry on Beltran’s contract.
The names you mentioned are still in play. The more that Omar waits, the cheaper, and more viable they become. You can’t snap your fingers and make something just happen.
I want these players too, b ut before you go ape****, lets wait for Omar to finish making over the team. I am frankly getting sick of having to filter thru all this noise on each and every post, until seeing an intelligent, thought out comment.
To ravi3
Dude,
1st of all tough Shyt if you can’t handle filtering.
2nd being a fan is all about going Ape$$$$, Die hard fans don’t sit back sipping tea with their pinkies in the air saying “I say those Mets look smashing”.
3rd this idea Mets are fiscally more responsible than Yankees is getting old Mets have like 3rd highest payroll in Baseball. The Mets have also hit the city up for more money.Vcarver please correct me if im wrong.
Filter through that
A)Before you get personal, I’m not content with the team, but I also recognize that its not a video game, and things take some time to develop. If come April, and neither Lowe, Ramirez or Ollie are Mets, and Wolf/Redding are the 4th/5th in the rotation, I will be among the people leading the charge to the WIlpon’s front door. However, it is 3 months away. I’m willing to give the team that I live and die by the benefit of the doubt until then, given what Omar has already accomplished this offseason.
As for the stadium, the money the Mets asked for was money that was originally granted to them for the Citifield, but they did not use.
“Yes, the Mets also want some $80million in additional funding for their new Citi Field, but there are some big differences.
The City Council authorized the Mets to use that money, but the team never borrowed the full amount. The cost of Citi Field, including parking facilities, has increased by only about 15% above original projections – to a total of $700million. ”
Yankee Stadium, on the other hand, has zoomed from an original price tag of $800 million in 2005 to $1.3 billion today. [They are asking for] $260 million in tax-free bonds to help cover a stadium cost overrun of $370 million.
Enhancements include:
Other enhancements include:
-$137million to pay for concessions at the new stadium
- $14.2 million for various scoreboard changes.
- $5 million for fancy public- bathroom improvements, including “burnished and glazed block” and “solid surface countertops.”
- $10.5 million for new “suite level upgrades.”
- $10.7 million for a huge new “video board.”
And that’s not counting the Yankee parking garages, which are being built by a separate nonprofit. They also have jumped in price to more than $340million. ”
$260 million in tax-free bonds to help cover a stadium cost overrun of $370 million.
nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/01/08/2009-01-08_yankees_want_us_to_pay_for_fancy_johns.html
I hate this comparing Yanks/Mets I really do. In the end all I am saying Mets are no saints either ok.
This idea Mets hold a higher business standard than Yankees is just that an idea.
If you believe otherwise God Bless you then.
Hahah I’d like to think the Mets practice better business standards, lol
If you’re willing to throw ridiculous money at Wolf, a guy you can’t count on for making more than 23 starts, then scrap that and offer Sheets the $30M/3 year. The downside is you maybe get 23 starts a year from Sheets, and the upside is it’s 23 starts from a damn good pitcher like Ben Sheets not Randy Wolf.
Wolf made 33 starts last year and if you’re worried about injury why would you sign Sheets? He is great, but constantly injured.
Wolf has pitched even fewer innings than Sheets has since 2003, including last season.
True but what does Sheets want? Haven’t heard much about him and negotiations.
A comfy rehab sweet?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sheets made 30 starts last year, and for the 3 years before that, wolf was probably hurt more than Sheets.
Point is they’re both injury prone.
ok so its the above
listen they are going to get most of those names…………we all want Lowe and I think that will get done………..if not they still have Perez they can likely resign
then at the bottom end Wolf or Redding with Niese as the first call up
Hudson is around yea but they have Castillo so what are they gonna do. I imagine they get Cora instead for insurance
Sheets is injury prone but I would take a chance on him at the bottom end for sure
I dont love Looper either but he is clearly better then Redding. They are just being cheap if they are honing in on Redding. He is not good. They might has well have kept Heilimann. Wolf is the best solution, followed by Garland and then Looper, who by the way pitched 200 innings last year and won 12 games.
this is wierd to me, because I’ve been under the impression that wolf was in the lowe/ollie category, not the redding/pedor category….and his money reflects the 1st group, not the 2nd….I thought it was plan a–lowe, plan b–ollie, plan c—wolf……..the 5 hole was redding/pedro/niese/whoever else…
although I did read somewhere that omar was shooting to have like 6 or even 7 sp’s…
Let’s know them down one-by-one, as Omar is doing.
Go after Lowe. Sign him to a reasonable contract. Then try and get Wolf, so you’ll have your second lefty in the rotation, or else Redding.
If we don’t get Lowe, go after Ollie, and then sign either Redding or Wolf (presumably Ollie will come cheaper than Lowe, so Wolf shouldn’t be a problem).
What about Pedro? I think that ship has sailed, and looks like Omar is trying to change it up a bit. If you can’t get Wolf or Redding, you can resign Pedro at that point.
Get Sheets, not those other pieces of sheets.
lol, good one matt.. man has this been a fun friday or what?? thank god i got my office close coz i am trolling aroung laughin in the floor!!
I think Brian Stokes can be just as mediocre as Redding, Garland or Pedro.
speaking of brian stokes, I think he can be a good 7inn guy for us.
Unless we get Redding for the spot then I am hoping he is the long relief guy.
brandon knight is still on the team too, right?
# 4 Spot
1st choice LOWE (Would actually be a 2 or 3)
2nd choice OLLIE
# 5 Spot
1st choice WOLF
2nd choice ODALIS PEREZ
3rd choice REDDING
4th choice PEDRO
Odalis is a bit of a nutcase, no thanks
hahahaha . . . . This is MADNESS . . .
madness . . . . THIS IS THE NEW YORK METS!!!!!!!!!!!
Matt,
you now are a member of Mets media hub. Why don’t you find out for all your Metsblog fans if ownership is just not willing to spend money beyond a certain point or do they really have no problem spending money it’s just they want to spend it on the right players.
I for one would like to know their position on this so as to understand their mindset this free agent season.
I’m sure I’m not alone in wanting to know this.
It would explain a lot
I think it has been explained quite frequently that its option C.
How bout Braden Looper instead of Tim Redding? I kid…
in all seriousness, i feel pretty confident that we’ll wind up with lowe…the worst case on the #2 is ollie…if wolf is in the #5 category, that changes my mindset a bit….having him as option c for the #2 spot wasnt making me happy, but if they get him towards the backend, then its a bit different…
I agree. I thought they were targeting Wolf as a backup to Lowe and Ollie. That would have been awful. But I think we’ll get Lowe and either Wolf or Redding. This is not bad at all.
Santana
Lowe/Perez/Sheets
Pelf
Maine
Redding/Wolf/Garland
Pedro
Garcia
Niese
I don’t think they’re in on Sheets at all. I wouldn’t mind to get Lowe and Sheets. If Wolf is insisting on three years, move to Sheets for two years.
Santana
Lowe/Perez/Sheets: (yes, yes and YES)
Pelf
Maine
Redding/Wolf/Garland (ok, hah, YES)
Pedro (HELL NO)
Garcia (should be our last attempt)
Niese (in no way he should be our 5th sp, but yes to being a back up in case someone gets hurt)
there.. that’s my options..
alex, I’m almost 100% positive Pedro will be back with the Mets next year.
and i’m hoping you are 100% WRONG… Damn..
Lowe$14M
Redding $4M
Pedro $4M
Garcia $2M
So for $24M we make our rotation very deep.
Lowe$14M (yes)
Redding $4M (i can see that)
Pedro $4M (HELLL NOOO)
Garcia $2M (if someone is out yeah)
8 millions to get at bat..
What interested me about Pedro’s interview was that he wants the Mets to sign Lowe more than Ollie.
One year $2.5M for Redding is even better. Get Lowe, Pedro and Garcia.
I can’t believe they are even considering Redding based off 1 yr as a starter. I guess they expect Niese to be ready fairly soon.
Obviously based on last year and comments made they do expect Niese to be ready this year or by 2010 latest.
Niese hasn’t shown anything to say that he is almost ready. Beating a lowly braves team who didn’t exactly hit lefties very well in the first place means nothing. Once again, Wilpon has too much say.
Speaking of Ken Rosenthal, he believes that the Brewers should deal Prince Fielder for a premier, young pitcher and then just sign Adam Dunn.
He wonders why a team would do that when they can just sign Dunn instead.
Simple…. I would much rather have Fielder on my team than Adam Dunn. I thought that the Giants and the Brewers were a match made in heaven if the Brewers would really consider moving Fielder. Matt Cain would be a good base for a deal there and Fielder would be the new face of that Giant franchise along with Lincecum. That would happen immediately. Fielder would bat 4th in that order for the next ten years.
That said, would anyone deal Pelfry for him?
i wouldnt
Pelfrey? To make it worth their while, you’d have to give up someone of Lincecum-like quality. Considering our stock… F-Mart and Pelfrey might be a starting point, if you got them drunk enough first.
(Remember, you’re talking a legit 50-HR threat just entering his prime years.)
So really at this point I don’t get how Wolf fits unless the Mets really think he will be cheap or they plan on spending some money.
Logical would make it Lowe, Wolf or Perez, Pedro and Redding.
As much as I don’t care about handedness I can’t see us signing Wolf and Perez.
thats what im saying, I thought wolf was part of the “#2″ group, especially based on his $$$…..if its a lowe/ollie, then a wolf towards the back end (I’m guessing that they think they can get him cheaper then what he was looking for) then I’m pretty cool with the idea…
All I know is that with the Philly lefty laden lineup, I think it’s nuts to have one lefty in the rotation, and one lefty in the bullpen.
you dont build your team to beat the Phillies. You build your team to win against all the teams…
the big bad phillies we beat 11 out of 28 times last year w/o having a bullpen.. yeah.. go figure how crazy we can be sometimes..
11 out of 18.. sorry
Well let’s put it this way…..there needs to be balance in the rotation. There are other teams that have lefties in their lineup and you do have to combat that. There is no need for 4 right handed starters in the rotation.
Philly may have alot of lefties but let’s think about it….we play 6 series, meaning the 3-4 slot will get at most 4 starts vs. them. Are 4 starts worth altering your entire lineup?
And just because Utley, Howard, and Ibanez feature prominently in their lineup, that doesn;t make them lefty-heavy or vulnerable to lefties. Utley and Ibanez have great splits, and with Rollins, Victorino, Feliz, Werth….they are plenty covered against the Randy Wolfs of the world.
GET BEN SHEETS & OLIVER PEREZ then.. you can invest 20 to 22 millions in those 2.. use the other 8 millions to get somebody else..
How about Sheets, Perez and Redding?
Seriously though, we are not getting Sheets.
What about Perez, Redding and Pedro?
Or LOL
Pedro, Wolf, Redding and MANNY. Had to do it.
uh.. yeah.. that’ll do.. that’ll do..
I think Redding is a good signing. Now get colon, Irod and Wiggy and i’m a freaking genius!
ok..
HIDDEN BENEFIT: Both Redding and Wolf offer plenty of opportunities for
1) Cult-hero rooting-section-naming( “Wolf’s Den” or “Redding Railroad”)
2) Punny Post headlines (“WOLF BITES,” SEEING REDD”)
You won’t get these out of Pedro or Garland. Apart from a league-average 180 innings, that’s about all I need out of a fifth starter. Tie goes to the cheaper one, though…
(If Neise grabs the starter slot midway for the year, he’s good here, too– “NICE AND NEISE,” “NEISE DOES IT ” and the like on the backpages; “Neise’s Nephews/Uncles” in the stands?)
sign sheets!!!
sign manny!!!
YES!!
YES!!
i figured that would get you going, alex!!
lol, i am laughing my a-s s off today.. this has been the most productive slow day in the mest blog ever.. even the real has been hilarious..
Seriously, the Redding signing will be a good signing. If you can’t get but 1 starter then he is protection. If another guy falls in your lap then he is the long relief.
Perez, Redding, Pedro would give us plenty of depth.
As would Lowe, Redding and Pedro. At that point I would really consider having Odalis Perez for Redding or Pedro.
i hope Redding signs as well but i still think Perez should only be signed if Lowe doesnt come here.
I dont like Ollie and i’d rather him go elsewhere and get the 1st rounder but Ollie is still better than the other realistic options…(Wolf, Pedro)
signing Lowe and Redding would give the Mets a much better rotation than last season
with the bullpen completely upgraded the Mets are in a good position to make the playoffs.
The only other problem we have is our current hitters have not been able to come through in the big spots. That is why signing Manny is so important (once the rotation gets solved).
Can someone please enlighten me as to what there is to like about Tim Redding?
He’s a former expo/national pitcher from the omar era there..
no he’s not
LOL, Alex, Redding has never played for the Expos ever.
what i mean is that omar likes players from his expo/nationals era.. should’ve been more specific guys.. if they were that good when he helped drafted them don’t you think they would’ve won somethin.. am i missin something he’s not… ?
Redding didnt join the Nats system until 2007 long after Omar joined the Mets
oh.. wellm he’s still form there.. that;s good enuff for me..
Cheap innings guy that can be a 5th starter or a Long relief guy that’s insurance.
I can buy him as an insurance policy or long reliever (though I think Stokes can fill that role too).
If he can average 6 innings as the fifth starter, I guess I’d take it. But from looking at his numbers, I’m not sure he’s good enough to get through 6 innings on a regular basis.
There really isn’t anything. If Omar was smart, he would sign both Lowe and Perez . I understand the Mets don’t have the same revenues as the Yankees do , but they certainly can afford both.
yup, Omar isn’t smart.
Well it’s certainly not a slam dunk that he is smart as a GM. Heaven forbid anyone challenge the baseball intelligence of Sir Omar.
He’ll tell you..: “um.. f*** you man.. you know..”
That’s Senor Omar.
case, where’s the jose reyes photo i asked you to put in your loggin?? change that one unless is santana only..
Alex, we could have Redding, Pedro and Garcia for less than $8M guaranteed. It won’t hurt and gives us depth in case of injury. Just say yes. Boston is doing the same.
Tim Redding will be a good signing for a cheap, dependable fifth starter. Does this mark the end for Pedro in a Mets uniform? As others have stated, I would bring Pedro back on a low base, incentives laden deal in addition to having Redding. They could duel it out in spring for the 5th spot, and the loser becomes your long man. In all likelihood, Redding would probably be that long man, who’d be ready to step in on a moment’s notice for Pedro.
What on earth is dependable about Tim Redding. He had a nice year last year, and I suppose he would be worth a one year deal, but he certainly doesn’t give me a warm and fuzzy feeling at all.
He wasn’t even good last year.
He had better than league average #5 numbers last year. In fact he may have had better than league average #4 stats last year.
I would only compare him to the fifth starters of good teams (who cares if he’s a good 5th starter on a crappy team).
In looking at the better NL teams last season, I’d have to say you’re right. The only better 5th starter from last season among the better NL teams was probably Jason Marquis.
Jeff Suppan was arguably worse (and was probably not intended to be Milwaukee’s 5th.) Kendrick/Eaton were horrible. The Dodgers had a revolving door, with Penny among the worst.
Whomever the Marlins slot in will likely be the best of the NL East this season but they’re plugging kids from the farm that we do not have.
I guess I could settle on Redding as the fifth — with a short leash.
This guy is a total bum. Can’t understand this one at all.
Seriously, did you think the Mets were going to sign Ollie and Lowe and upgrade the offense?
Redding is a good 1st signing as he can offer protection agianst not getting 2 SP or as a injury backup or even a Long reliver at that price.
Give me one good reason why they can’t?
Ummm, because like it or not they DO have budget. You can debate whether they should or not but you can’t debate whether they DO nor not.
Not everyone we sign is going to be Ben Sheets-minus-the-elbow-problem.
Even our mid-80s squads– LOADED with starters– had innings-eaters stuffed in the back (think Ed Lynch, Bruce Berenyi and Rick Aguilera).
Redding throws 92-94 mph and has put up an ERA of 4.53 the last 2 seasons and considering his stats indicate that he’s faded towards the end of the season those numbers should improve with time…
so if your going by how hard he throw why we didn’t sign farnsworth??
Dave, the thing is if you have 2 lefties in your rotation you can alter it to have those 2 start most of the time in a 3 game series vs the Phillies so I think it would be a lot more than 4 total starts.
So let me get this straight,
We should alter
who we sign for the rotation because of the Phillies
who we sign for the bullpen because of the Phillies
who we sign on offense because of the Phillies
Our pitching order pitching on short rest because of the Phillies.
Do we play anyone else next year? Did they double our games or something?
This is getting old.
as i said before, we’re making this phillies thing a bit excessive.. they are NOT that good for us to fear them.. yes they won, but i see them just as the 2006 cardinals.. everything played out for them to win.. no cubs, no sox, no angels and help from a team full of choke artist.. see me 2009..
correct me if i’m wrong but if the Mets sign Ollie and Lowe they will not draft until the 4th round.
add Manny to the mix and we dont draft until the 5th round.
That is correct, however, if the Mets signed all of those guys we would be in win now mode anyway.
It’s beginning to look like we may need Pelf or Maine to step into the #2 spot, and pitch like one.
If we don’t get Sheets or Lowe, who are in my opinion, the only #2’s left on the FA market, then spend the money on Man-Ram and pray that one of the above mentioned guys steps up his game.
Then again, we could sign ALL of Wolf, Redding, Marquis and the rest of the garbage out their, and combined they could amount to a big pile of #2!!
The Mets have a budget that approximates each year’s Luxury Tax threshold. That’s more or less the way they’ve operated since the Luxury Tax was implemented.
Once they sign Lowe/Ollie and a #5 type, they are close to maxing out that budget. There is no room to add a big bat. Adding Manny would bring them $20+ million over that budget.
If you want a team with a bottomless budget there is only one option in baseball — become a Yankee fan.
All other teams try to stay under the LT threshold. Which is good.
It’s not all about altering it’s about balance. Having 6 righties in a 7 man bullpen and 1 starter in a 5 man rotation is not as balanced as you’d like. That’s 10 righties on a 12 man staff. When you consider who our toughest opponent is then I think it comes into play even more.
The Padres? I don’t think being LH helps you THAT much against them.
You act as if there is a LH Lowe and a RH Lowe, a LH Redding and Pedro and a RH Redding and Pedro.
Sure you could get Redding and Wolf to balance out the rotation but why would you do that if you could get Lowe and Wolf?
Sure you could get a scrub LOOGY but why not get a guy that’s RH with good splits?
Get the best guy available.
Again I don’t care if the team is 12 righties of 12 pitchers. And i don’t care if they don’t win a game against the Filthy’s next season. As long as they win more games against the rest of the NL and interleague. IF the mets win 100 games, go 0-19 against the philles, win the division and make the playoffs.
Who cares what the phillies are doing!
We should totally gear our Whole team towards 10% of the schedule, in particular 3 hitters.
Howard strikes out every third time he steps to the plate. He’s just as happy to strikeout to righties as he is lefties.
The Phillies were actually very similar vs lefties and righties last season. In fact, their OBP and SLG percentages were slightly higher vs lefty pitching.
Lowe will sign with the mets thats easy so the question is will signing Perez over Redding or Wolf make that much of a difference in the playoff hunt that it is worth giving up a 1st rounder
in essence the Mets would be trading Redding/Wolf/Pedro, cash and a 1st rounder for Ollie Perez and honestly i wouldnt make that move
a first rounder and a supplemental pick actually.
It never really was even an option to sign both of Lowe and Perez anyway. I don’t care about signing Lowe as far as the draft picks go, because we already gave up our 1st pick for Krod anyway
actually if we sign Lowe instead of Ollie, we most likely wind up ahead as far as draft picks go.
We would lose our 2nd (since K-rod already took 1st), but we would get another teams 1st plus a sandwich pick.
Hey Peter DRAGON – Happy New Year!!!
Guys, I’m thinking about second base. How about Juan Uribe from the White Soxs? He’s a free agent and has played shortstop, second base, and even had time at third base this past year. He is known for his strong defensive abilities. He is a free swinger at the plate, but does have some pop in his bat. He’d be a nice player to have cover for Castillo and be the utility infielder. I think he’s a better option than Alex Cora, especially considering how Cora is all glove, and no bat. At least with Uribe, you’re getting not only solid defense, but an occasionally hot hitter too.
the MI bench guy needs to have at least a decent bat, so he can play over Castillo for extended periods.
not sure if you guys are reading matt’s updates to this thread, but this redding thing sounds pretty close to becoming reality
2.5mil one year is good. I don’t want people from the minors pitching when they are in a critical game. like Niese in September.
so you want Tim redding pitching, HE IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!! awful signing at anything over a minor deal w/ incentives….
If it’s a 1 yr/2.5 million deal, I like this signing a lot. We can’t have 5 #1s. If we can get Lowe, the Redding deal allows us to upgrade the offense. As much as I want Manny, Dunn would be fine.
exactly signing Ollie and Lowe is not realistic and Santana-Lowe-Pelfrey-Maine-Redding is a very solid rotation
agree.. coz when we make the playoffs we’ll only use 4 pitchers anyways..
No it’s not.
We need Johan, Halladay, Peavey, Owsolt and lowe.!
No seriously hear me out. I think i can pull this off. See what we do is sign Manny to this rediculously deffered contract. Trade him to San Diego, with Castillo. And get Peavey and Adrian Gonzalez.
Then we Trade delgado up to Canada for Halladay. Becuase they need more Power and Halladay is going to walk in 2 or 3 years.
Then We can trade F-mart and Neise to Houston for Owsolt, throw in evans if they need more.
Boom Bam. Done.
CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
If you are joking why would you write “No seriously hear me out.”
And if you are serious, I don’t know where to start. Maybe wondering why the Padres would choose to not sign Manny but then trade for him so they can get Castillo for Peavy and AGonz.
Delgado for Halladay makes me more certain you are joking, but your last trade was actually not awful, so I’m not even sure.
100% joke.
Kind of a spoof on every crazy met fan you hear on 660 and on these boards.
I like it to for 2.5 mil but for a different reason. I think this means hes the long man in the pen or the 5th starter (not guaranteed)
I think they bring back Pedro now
You’re right, we can’t have 5 #1’s. However, right now we have only (1) #1, and a couple of #3’s.
If we get Sheets though, we’ll have (2) #1’s!!
many teams don’t even have a #1!
If Redding fails to earn the 5th spot, does that immediately make put him in the role of long relief or would he go to AAA?
I think Stokes may be better than Redding for long relief.
I suppose depth is a good problem to have.
We have depth… Nelson Figerora, and the rest of the Slups that have made starts the last 3 years as Pedro, El Douque and the others have been injured.
All joking aside. If they do sign Redding to this AWESOME contract. And then sign maybe Freddy Garcia, then they do actually have orgizational Depth at the SP…… FOR ONCE in the last 5 years.
yeah, I’m not sure about you guys, but if this goes through, its definitely a good start for the back end….again, omar keeps saying 6 or 7 starters after using brandon knight and such late in the season last year….I still dont see how wolf fits in if they sign redding, but if the also grab pedro cheap, and they become 5/6, with niese as 7?? doesnt sound too bad to me, a*s*s*uming that we wind up with lowe/ollie at #2….seriously, everyone here is bit*hing and stuff, but what am i missing? if we are saying its lowe/ollie for the #2, then who are you guys really suggesting for 5/6?
anybody but pedro..
GET BEN SHEETS at 2 years 20 millions.. you still got like 18 millions to play with.. maybe do 15/25/25 to a certain offfensive machine that’s out there..
would be worth the risk, however 1 prob. sheets wants a 4 yr deal
believe it or not im starting to settle down..i like redding and i think he would be a good number 5…especially if we can get lowe…hopefully sooner than later so im not as nervous..then like ralsrtar said we can upgrade the offense..
enter,
lol.. i’m glad u ok man.. yest u was really hyped..
after pitching, I believe a cora type would be next on the agenda, correct? I know we would all love to see castillo go, but I just dont see it happening….
and after that, this alleged “big bat?” not sure how realistic that will wind up being either…
thoughts?
cora?? as in alex cora??
We should sign Juan Uribe over Alex Cora.
YES!! i was thinking that too.. good catch phil
yeah, isnt that omar’s order of priorities? once pitching is set, to then work on a utility infielder? (I’m not saying it will be cora, but a cora “type”)
we already got like 6 of the “cora type” in our team.. haven’t u notice..
alex, you usually bring up good points, but who are you referring to?? damian easely, is gone….who exactly is backup 2nd base/ss right now?
did i miss a signing or something?
well, what type of player is cora.. ? look at him, then see our 2b, our catchers, our bench.. then you’ll see what i’m talking about.. why can’t we get a guy like darryl ward?? we also need power in our bench.. wouldn’t u agree?
LongIsland, Juan Uribe are who we’re talking about. He should be a nice fit.
He’s a free agent, played for the White Soxs and has had time at shortstop, second base, and even third base last year. He’s known for being strong defensively. And while he is a free swinger at the plate, he has pop in his bat. So instead of getting Cora who is all glove, no bat …. we are better served to get Uribe, who has just as much glove, but is an occasionally hot hitter too.
thats fine, I didnt mean it HAD to be cora, I said a cora TYPE…to be back up infielder like easely was last season…
alex said we already have like 6 guys like that, and I asked what 6 guys he was talking about bc last I knew, we do not have a backup for 2nd base/ss…
Uribe reminds me a LOT of Jose Valentin. Would be an excelent signing. Especially if we still had Burgos and they could trade felony stories.
TRS86, I was thinking the same thing. Him and Valentin are close in similarity.
Agreed.
I will tell you that I whince every time I hear Alex Cora’s name bandied about. He stinks, and IMO, no kind of solution for the Mets. He’d be great if you already had a capable 2B on the Mets, which right now, they do not.
oh man i know..i was flipping out yesterday..lol..im fine now though..lol…i had a thought it could be dumb…but brewers are said to be looking for an arm…what if we were able to trade them a few pitchers..like niese or parnell or something for prince fielder..and then trade delgado for an outfielder..i mean that wouldnt get it done with just delgado but…
Signing Lowe, Redding and Pedro would make for a very good staff and we already have a very good pen.
That leaves about 5-10 million for the offense including a utility IF.
I would like Manny but don’t see it. Wiggy would be the BEST fit considering cash.
Let him start in LF. Please read this part before coming back to say “He wants to start…..” Then Murphy could start the season in AAA working on 2B.
“Signing Lowe, Redding and Pedro”
i stop reading at that point..
why, what’s wrong with those 3 names? outside of sheets, who do you realistically want for the #2 spot? and for the 5/6 spot, who do you suggest over redding/pedro? niese can keep working on his secondary pitches, and be the #7….
look, i am shocked that anybody in this blog wants pedro back.. ANYBODY.. didn’t we see what happened last year..?? jesus!!
Of course there’s concern with Pedro…just like with anyone brought in to be a potential 5th starter. I would have guaranteed 2.5 mil to Pedro and a roster spot well before Tim Redding. At Tim Redding’s best, he’s still Tim Redding
why?
Lowe is needed to stabilize this rotation and Pedro/Redding is a great combo for the number 5.
Prefer Ollie/Redding/Pedro, but im sure youre going to be right
For 2.5 million. Hey its an ARMS RACE. MORE ARMS THE BETTER. Redding is a great insurance policy. Put him in the bullpen for long relief and spot starts. Smart move by Minaya
I like Sheets, but I read (anyone else remember this?) that teams who looked at his medicals said it was his shoulder they were worried about, not the elbow that sidelined him late in 2008. If that’s the case, I’d have 2nd thoughts about anything more than a 1 yr/incentive laden deal, and I think someone will end up giving him 2 guaranteed.
the power of sheets compels you!!
the power of sheets compels you!!
1 year @2.5m is an excellent signing by Omar. Very little risk to it.
He can certainly be a servicable #5 starter, bump to the BP, and if by some miracle they are so loaded with better pitchers they have no room, eminantly tradable.
Also gives them more flexibility for the “other” SP spot to fill.
Best would be to get Lowe at around the 12/13 annual salary range, and actually have some budget left for a better bench, another good RP, etc.
Maybe someone like Wiggington to help with LF?
Redding was the “ACE” of the Nationals Staff. Lowe was the ACE of the Dodgers staff.
Sign them 2 we have 3 #1’s…. Championship.
LMAO!!
What a waste of money this is going to turn out to be. We are pinching pennies for our #2 starter and we are going to end up giving this doooooooooooood a contract.
Our priority shouldn’t be filling spots just to fill spots. We need a big time number 2 guy for a short series. Not a collection of number 4 and 5 starters.
Cant we get the same results from Neise/Parnell/Figgy and not spend a dime?
whats wrong with Derek Lowe??
Nothing is wrong with Lowe. I want Lowe, We need Lowe! But I truly think Omar messed up this deal. Atlanta sent out a welcome wagon. Chipper and Bobby expressing how much they want him. What did we do.. We basically told his agent he wasn’t worth the money. That we want him on the cheap. Atlanta is smart. They are going to end up offering the same amount as us and will end up getting him because of how they played the situation.
based on the last couple of years, no.
having a collection of not ready rookies and washed up never weres over the last couple of years in the 5th hole has really hurt them.
Someone like Redding (aka Garland lite), if he wins the job and pitches like he did for most of last year, can lead to more wins, more stability, and less wear and tear on the pen.
and this signing isn’t going to impact whether they can sign Lowe, or Manny even.
Correct. Pitching 185-200 innings to a high 4 ERA sounds simple to do on paper, but it is not. Redding is far more capable of doing it than any of the people we’ve had to deal with the past few years (Lawrence, Figueroa, Knight, Lima, etc.). Ironically, Steve Trachsel is actually missed.
if Castillo is healthy than i have no problem with him at 2B. he’ll put up the same numbers as anyone else we could get.
would i like someone else yes but we just need a backup in case his knees act up
Not sure if it’s been mentioned in this thread, but it might now necessarily be Lowe OR Perez no matter who we sign.
If the market for Ollie is as dry as it sounds, remember we offered him arbitration. He can just accept, take the 1-year deal and hit the market again next year when maybe everyone won’t be as frugal. remeber when Millwood shocked the Braves and they had to trade him away bc they’d banked on clearing his salary? Or when Maddux did it and saddled them with a huge contract they weren’t counting on?
Lowe and Perez would be a good thing, but just bear in mind we may not be able to swap our Lowe’s comp picks for Ollie’s.
Perez already declined arbitration. Even if, he would have still gotten at least what he would have gotten in arbitration.
I am dying to see what Ben Sheets signs for. I am dying to see it. If it is 2 for 20 like I read a commentor mention above, then I will be sort of PO’d.
Go to Tim Reddings player page from the mlb site and check some highlights.
I know highlights can make anyone look good.
My point is to see his stuff. 95 fastball – some good break on his offspeed stuff.
Dear Matt,
Please put up a poll asking how many people would sign Manny Ramirez for 3 years for 75 million. Maybe if we have enough fans complain about how we want Manny maybe we will get him!! I dont wan’t another apology letter at the end of the season saying sorry we didn’t listen!!!!
He has…. And it’s been NO 75% then NO 65%.
Most people don’t want manny at 25 mil a season for 3 years. 25 mil for one year. Sure. Not 3.
For those who are stuck on adding lefties to face the Phillies… Utley does not have an appreciable L/R split. Howard does. Ibanez has one but to a less extent than Howard and it was actually not appreciable last season.
So if we have a reliever (Feliciano) to deal with Howard in the 7th inning, do we really need another waste of space?
Putz and KRod will face all comers late in the game.
And I refuse to live in fear of Raul Ibanez. Ever.
exactly and if we sign Lowe instead of Perez we have 3 guys who will pitch 6 innings every game and Maine will do it more often than not…
I totally do not understand why anyone has a problem with Redding signing, especially if it is for 2.5 million.
Redding not only won 10 games last year, but he did it on one of the worst teams in baseball. He not only had less run support, but I bet the bullpen probably blew a save or two for him (total speculation here). Moreover, what was his spot in the rotation? I guarantee he was not the Nats 5th starter. Why does this matter? He will be pitching against the worst starting pitchers on every team’s rotation. Lastly, not only did he pitch well against us, but he also pitched well against the Phillies.
What more do you want in a 5th starter? Especially at 2.5 million? Maybe it is the attorney in me that wants to defend all the Redding bashers. Either way, I think this would be a GREAT season. Your 5th starter is not supposed to have a sub 3 ERA.
Then lets put a contract out there for Manny 2 years 50 million with a 3rd year option. At this point I really dont see anyone giving him a better deal.
and once Lowe is added to the team as well, i dont see how any Mets fan could be against that…
Here are some things that worry me about Redding. While he was ninth in the league last year with 33 starts, he allowed 100 earned runs (4th) and unleashed 10 wild pitches (6th). Now I know he was playing with the Nationals and good Mets defense may shave off five earned runs, but it’s still something to be worried about.
And I don’t understand the infatuation with Sheets. He is injury prone. You want to sign a guy like that to be your No. 2 and he gets hurt in the middle of the year and then you have to use Niese or some combination of long men out of the bullpen for spot starts. He’s not worth the risk.
he had 31 starts last season and still pitched more innings than Ollie
But compare those numbers to other #5 starters in the league and see where he ranks.
At your suggestion earlier, I looked at the fifth starters of the other better NL teams. Redding was better than Kendrick/Eaton, Penny, et al., and Suppan.
The only one better among the good teams was Marquis, and he was not exactly a stud.
There are probably better fifth starters out there, whomever the Marlins categorizes as 5 will probably be good, but Redding is good enough to match up with the ones who made the postseason last year.
As much as I am not a fan of Redding… you really can’t go wrong with a guy for 2.5m if he serves any sort of role at all, much less a 180 inning role in the rotation.
At the very least he ensures that Niese will go back to AAA to start the season and lose that deer in headlights look
At best, he’ll give us 180+ innings of less than horrible baseball at the back end of the rotation and keep Niese down in AAA for an entire season (a$$uming no other injuries).
I like the idea of Redding. He can be a very good pitcher.
Wow, how old are some people on here?
Looks to me like one person using multiple names and the sad part is, he’s replying to his own posts.
still better than paying Silva 40mill over 4 years, right?
To put it in context, a potentially better than league average #5 SP will get paid less than Schoenweiss.
tim redding… wow.. who’s next..
Seriously, if you are going to act like a child go do it on another site. Go away.
Manny batted over 500 in the postseason last year. If the Mets could get him on a 1 or 2 year deal you’d be crazy to not want sign him…
the man is the leader in HR’s in the postseason, if alex woudl’ve had half his numbers in the postseason he’d be idolize like the pope in yankeeland..
i dont understand why people dont like redding….he was 10-11 on the NATIONALS…he lost some games where it was 2-0 or 3-0…obiovusly mets will lose games like that..but come on..give him a shot…he threw 182 innings last year…and he is gonna be our number 5 guy..thats pretty good considering…so i mean..i like this move..i would like to see pedro..but i like redding too..now lets move on to lowe next..since we have been on him for about a month and a half
oh and by the way..im still sticking with my…if we miss out on lowe and sign perez..we better make a run for manny..
Its amazing how the Mets are playing this. The market is down 30%!! Instead of using this to our advantage and paying a little bit extra for the guys we need. We are allowing every team to compete with us for the players we need. We aren’t being greedy like the Yanks. We need to fill two major holes in our rotation. And with guys like Lowe, Sheets, Garland available ON THE CHEAP!!! We are settling for REDDING!
How does this make any sense at all?
Redding’s for the #5 spot, and he’s far cheaper than any of those other guys… what’s the problem?? We’ll still more than likely get Lowe..
Heyman infuriates me. I honestly USED to like the guy. I just checked mlbtraderumors.com, and Heyman’s new article says that “Lowe is quite possibly in play for the Phillies.” Are you kidding me?
I prefer and respect Rosenthal’s opinion much more now.
agree…this guy is just annoying now..i honestly think he says stuff just to say it and be heard..because even on mlb network..i cant stand listening to him
Heyman’s nothing more than a lapdog for Boras these days.
Why wouldn’t he be in play for the phillies. I mean they lost nothing off last seasons payroll, actually added to it by giving Ibanez 1 million more then Burrell, and Moyer getting a raise.
And they have 8 players who are arbitration eligible, including Howard and Hamels who combined will get over 10 million this year, not to mention Victorino, Dobbs, Blanton and Wearth, who are sure to get over 1 million each.
But they can keep adding money. They are the Yankee’s!
Heyman is quite possibly well aware of his own idiocy.
Thank you.
Agreed. While out in Vegas he mentioned the 12 player deal calling it a rumor and likened it to something you’d find on a message board (or something to that effect). Less than an hour later he and Yaloff reported that the trade had been officially announced but never acknowledged the fact that he had completely written it off as being ridiculous an hour earlier. Guess he was hoping that everyone on the East Coast was asleep during the first report. He’s been a hack in my eyes ever since.
by the way heyman is starting to really bother the hell out of me
seriously, all you guys who are flipping out, who do you suggest for the #5 spot?
am i missing something?
is there like a superstar #5 pitcher out there who I am unaware of?
no there isn’t. But, the arguement could be made that if they would expand the budget a bit (or maybe not have to, if prices are low enough) that they could add a 3 instead of a 5.
say, Lowe and Ollie instead of Lowe and Redding.
Costs more, but could be done.
that would be great, but i just dont see us getting lowe AND ollie
Forget Redding, re-sign PEDRO. AND GET MANNY.
I know I made that joke about Tim Redding being the english translation of El Duque the other day, but that was because the rumor of Omar signing him for 2 years was being bandied about. If we get Lowe and Redding is signed for one year for only 2.5 million, even if there were some incentives based on him performing well, I’m OK with that especially because Jon Niese and him can compete for the #5 and if Niese is the hot one, Redding could be the long man and swing man if and when one of our starters goes down or if Santana or Maine aren’t totally recovered, heaven forbid, from their surgeries. Of course, I suppose that Redding would probably become the #5, but I would prefer that he has to earn it and that Niese gives him a good fight for it. I could definitely see how, as we’ve seen the way Omar operates, getting a bargain on the fifth starter in the form of Redding for 2.5 mil, would “free up” money to add to the offer for Lowe.
Niese needs another year of AAA. We can bring him up for the September run. Read what Pedro said, He even said he wants to help us win a World Series this year. GIVE HIM THE CHANCE DAMMIT!
Am I wrong or didnt I read Redding had an
operation on a bone joint in his foot after
the season? Now, this guy is a below average MLB Pitcher to start out with AND hes coming off an injury?! This, along with
this teams track record of misdiagnosing
injured players, doesn’t make me all warm,
fuzzy and safe feeling over this signing.
Again, Wilpons/Omar Do you really want to
Win a Championship? If so, Where’s Manny
and Lowe?
MDfalcha, I have to agree with you. Some of the posts on here have led me to look to other sites. I respect that everyone has an opinion, and that this is an “open” forum, but how about backing up an opinion with some factual based analysis?
shocker…again like i say all the time..you hear about all these other teams signing players…FAST..and the mets are still without what they wanted to get a month and a half ago after they signed krod and putz and needed pitching then
Ken Rosenthal is reporting the Mets are close to signing P Tim Redding to a 1 year deal…
Heyman’s reporting that ‘The Mets are on the verge of signing Redding’ in his blog.
i love how none of the guys that are going ballistic in here responded to my question of who they suggest for the #5 spot…..
unless I am missing something major, I dont understand why this particular move is such a problem for all you guys…
I have no problem with the signing. As long as it goes as reported…1 yr/ $2.5. Any more than that he is not worth it because he is coming off injury.
There are like 5 people on here that are just idiots. Ignore them.
Redding is probably my second choice for #5 behind Wolf, but overall I like this signing, as long as it isn’t higher than this price.
krod9 – It’s actually one person using multiple names. As I said above, the poor guy has even resorted to replying to his own posts. Sad.
BECUZ WHY ARE U SIGNIJNG REDDING OMAR U IDIOT GET MANNY NOW!!!!!!!
I kid.
They seem to think that the GM can do only one thing at a time (and should be “focusing” on Manny Ramirez, or Lowe) and/or that any time one FA is signed, it means the Mets can’t sign another. . . completely neglecting the fact that this deal is for less than 10% of what we’re rumored to have offered Lowe already.
No Pedro please – he will give us 4 innings, down 4-0. No thanks.
Pedro’s over the personal problems with his father. Give him another shot, we won’t be sorry.
His personal problems don’t excuse the fact that he absolutely nothing left.
Yankee lover!
according to mlb trade rumors they signed redding
Perez is not a a #2 stater, he is too inconsistently, he could be pitching a gem in the 5th and give up 6 runs in the 6th, I want some one like Sheets or Lowe, yes I know Sheets is been hurt but last year he made 31 starts and for 3 straight years (2002-2004) he made 34 starts, not to mention that he has electric stuff and 6 years younger than Lowe and demanding less money. Now Perez if he stay focus and away from the BB, could became a great pitcher, so nothing is for sure, just flip a coin and make your choice.
i’m pretty sure that if pedro does come back, it would be for the #5/6 spot…he doesnt change the lowe/ollie for the #2…
lowe/ollie #2, pedro/redding #5/6, niese as the #7 while working on his secondary pitches in buffalo?
I honestly dont see why anyone would have a problem with that….(I’m sure someone will say sign lowe AND ollie, but I meant a realistic suggestion…
oh you said perez is not a #2, i’m sorry…thought you said pedro…
No Perez, that’s all I ask.
ken rosenthal just reported the deal, the mets signed redding.
Guys,,, Guys,,, This should be Christmas morning for a team as financially successful as the Mets.
The Market is down 30%
Pelfrey and Maine are not a sure thing!
Sheets and Lowe can be had for less than the Yanks gave Burnett!! Stop feeding into this Wilpon propaganda. We have cash… and lots of it. This Organization makes more money than every franchise but the Yanks.
We are giving every team in the league an opportunity to take the pieces we need.
Its not like we’ve won a WS in the past 20 years here..and we just had the 3 most heart wrenching seasons and Mets fan has ever had.. Its our TIME… ISN”T IT?
Getting Redding doesn’t mean we won’t get Lowe. It just means that now, we can make a run at someone like Dunn, Hudson, etc…
I hope your right… but unless we pony up the cash,, Lowe is going to Atlanta.
I think this is why this signing happened. $2.5 is not a lot for a #5 starter who will have a bounceback year and will be on the Mets, not the Nats. And now, we can focus on Lowe. And not stop there!
on that point, where is the info of this “offer” that atlanta supposedly made to lowe??
has anyone seen anything on this?
It’s mostly from Heyman, so take it for what it’s worth: most likely overblown. I find it funny that Atlanta makes an offer, but no one seems to know what it is, when the Mets had their offer publicized before they walked out the door after the meeting. Boras needs to get over himself.
I don’t think signing Redding for $2.5m affects any other potential deal. That is one of the benefits. They can bring in a guy for relatively little who should be able to fill a role.
They better stay away from Wolf, the guy is hurt all the time.
Tim Redding???
Anyone want to buy my Fri night plan?
Im done w/ this team
Thanks Freddie Coupons
Good!
Bye!
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
lmao
done with this team bc they sign redding to compete for the #5 spot?
wow
Have fun rooting for the Skankees!
Hey give me a guy who’s proven to be a #5 pitcher over Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, And whatever other Over-hyped yankee’s prospect will be walking out there every 5th day.
Nice to see every mets fan blinded by the yankee’s spending spree that they didn’t address one single offseason hole.
Still have Joba and Hughes as your 4-5. Both haven’t completed a full season in the professional career’s injury free.(minors included)
Still have no real bullpen leading up to MO. Still have no Center fielder. Still have no defense in the Outfield at all really. Hey but at least you out-spent everyone. GOOD JOB.
do you not like the yankees? lol
No i very much enjoy all my Yankee Fan freinds saying HEY WHY EVEN PLAY THE SEASON. to which i reply,
To which i reply, you didn’t address one sigle area of concern from last season. CC won’t win more then the 20 that Moose won. And AJ won’t win much more then the 14 that Pettite won. You still have no CFer. Your other Corner Outfielders outside Nady aren’t what i would call good. And your middle Relief is terrible. But you should still be handed the World Series Trophy.
Oh BTW i actually got a Yankee fan to admit that Jeter is Over-rated and Over Paid. It was sweet. That was a fun night!
Mark,
Your two posts are my favorite of the day. Congrats!
I try not to bring other teams up on this blog that aren’t related to the Mets, but I have been saying the same exact thing about the Yankees. How are they so much better? I don’t see it. And you have already said it.
Good work!
Mets are a 92+ win team with one more starter Lowe/Sheets/Perez/Garland.
Yankees are no more than a 92+ team either. They may be more of an 88+ win team playing in that ridiculous AL East.
People in here need to learn something. Not every signing is that off a superstar!!!! This is not fantasy baseball!!! You need a solid, well-built, balanced team, and Omar is doing that wonderfully this year. STOP BEING SPOILED BRATS!!!
22 years since we won
I dont think for one second Met fans are spoiled brats
Oh the pain!!
Padres, Rockies, Astros, Brewers and Rays have NEVER won a World Series. Rangers, Nationals, and Mariners have never even BEEN to a World Series. It’s been over 100 years since the Cubs won, like 60 years since the Indians won, 55 for the Giants. 1979 was the last time the Pirates won, and the Tigers, Orioles, and Royals all won their last Series in the early 80s before the Mets. So get over yourself.
So your saying our franchise is on the level of the Pirates, Royals and Mariners??
I guess we are
Hey Freddie,
Stop shopping at Walmart and the Salvation army for players.
Try going into Bloomingdales or even Macy’s for a player or two.
Blow the dust off your wallet, open it up and act like a BIG MARKET team for once
No use for me to argue if you won’t concede that you made a mistake and are wrong in this case.
AWFULLLLLLLLL SIGNING!!!!! nothing in this guys entire career suggest he should be given a spot in anything other than the Washing nationals or Baltimore orioles rotation,…..7 straight losing seasons, awful K, K/bb…5+ ERA, 1.50 WHIP…..much rather Beise put those numbers up for 300 K, rather tha 3 mil guranteed to redding TRULY AWFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
He does not have 7 straight losing seasons.
TRS, he actually does have six straight losing seasons, and really, really bad stats across the board.
I guess the most positive one can be here is to agree with those who state that he can indeed be fine as a #5, always pitching against the other team’s worst guy…….
Tim Redding is not solid and makes the mets worse all for $3,000,000 DOLLARS!
There is no way that someone could make a team worse when he is just put in to compete for a #5 rotation spot. Plus, he was the best pitcher on the Nats last year, it isn’t his fault that he never got many wins or any offense.
Give me Tim redding 33 times over:
Brian lawrence
Jorge Sosa
El- Douque
Dave Williams
Chan Ho Park
Jason Vargas
Nelson Figueroa
Claudio Vargas
Brandon Knight
Tony Armas,
Just a few of the STUD #5’s the mets have had over last 2 seasons.
Want even more.
2006
Alan Soler
Victor Zambrano
JOSE LIMA
Geremi Gonazalez
WOW!
And we are mad about tim redding at 2.5 million.
People are idiots.
very good point
I agree Krod9, but Tim Redding wasn’t the Nats’ best pitcher last year, John Lannan was.
He is solid. He averages around 6 innings a game and gives up around 3 earned runs per start. Plus he pitched 180 innings last year. That is pretty good for a team that has had to piecemeal its number five pitcher for the last three years. He is better than the revolving door we have had.
What Mark said above.
Geez, people, he’s a warm body in the 5 hole to keep it warm for Niese and he is a HUGE improvement over that looong list of garbage we have used in recent years which Mark recited.
Relax people!
Omar got him on a cheap one-year deal. …there was talk originally of two years, which would have been nuts. Be happy. Leaves plenty of cash for Lowe and other pieces.
Great point. People forget he was cheap and he is there to COMPETE for the fifth spot. The Mets have done a lot worse.
Redding at 2.5 is a solid pickup. 30+ starts from the 5 spot will be a welcome addition to the rotation.
Santana
Lowe
Pelf
Maine
Redding
Pedro
Garcia
Niese
Figgy
My only question is Garcia, who I don’t want so much. But overall, looks quite good.
pitched well in Sep after coming back from surgery. A one year contract with incentives won’t hurt.
I’d throw name Parnell as a possibility to compete with Niese and Redding for the 5th spot.
Eh, I think his future is in the bullpen. But who knows?
Redding allowed just over 3 runs per game and averaged close to 6 innings per start. He also put in more innings than Maine last year. 180 innings out of the five spot is pretty good. He is a consistent pitcher. He will have a better defense behind him.
I will take this guy as a five pitcher any day.
… and he’ll have much better hitting behind him which will take some pressure off him.
Check out the latest post to Adam Rubin’s blog, where ‘baseball analysts’ claim that Brian Schneider is to blame for the bullpen woes in 2008, not the pitchers themselves.
Very interesting.
Now THAT intrigues me.
Holy crap, that is EYE-OPENING. I’m not an expert at either statistics or baseball and I know that anomalies can sometimes be deceiving, but this needs to be looked into.
Relax people. He is a number five pitcher and he can digest some innings at the bottom of the rotation. Not to mention the fact that 3 million @ 1 year is a bargain for ANY pitcher.
I think this is a wise move.
Remember where we started 2008:
Santana “1″
Pedro (at least in Pedro’s eyes, “1A”, I think most expected him to be a “2″)/
Maine “3″
Perez “3″
Pelfrey “5″
We all know that Pelfrey pitched better ( I say a “3″) and Pedro pitched much worse.
In 2009, the Mets are considering:
Santana “1″
Lowe “2/3″
Maine “3″ (but recovering)
Pelfrey “3″ (sophmore slump?)
Redding “5″
Is this better than what we thought we were starting with last year? Is it better than what we had during most of the year last year?
Redding clearly does not have a ceiling to hope for. He is a true “5″.
Lowe is clearly not a “1″ or “1A” and perhaps not even a solid “2″. But he is consistent. He is a ground baller, which may expose the right side of our infield.
If we end up with this rotation, do you feel good?
Yes, I think so. Redding doesn’t have the upside, but he should be a very good 5.
End of 08
Santana
Perez
Pelfrey
Pedro
Knight/Niese
Start of 09
Santana
Lowe
Pelfrey
Maine
Redding
its very possible for us to have 4 starters with an ERA under 4 and 5 starters with an ERA under the league average so yes Im very satisfied
good enough.
the SP wasn’t taht big of a problem last year, and certainly not unan issue until they lost 40% of it.
What does everyone feel about the handedness of our staff? Conceivably, if the Mets go on to sign Lowe, Johan would be the lone left-hander in the starting rotation.
Doesn’t bother me much.
If you can pitch, you can pitch. I don’t think Santana is suited to a handedness in the point that he can get anyone out. Pelfrey also may be approaching this.
I like this staff with Redding. A five guy capable of having a couple of big games who can also pitch 180 innings is a steal for any team. He was the Nats top pitcher for part of last year by the way.
We have legitimate spot starters in our system and we would have a decent 1-5 staff. And the consistency would really make a difference. That will allow us to have a better bullpen and not one that is used to get the rest of the bullpen out of a jam.
This also allows Parnell and Niese room to grow and that is good for our organization.
This is a good move all the way around.
I also think this may structurally fix what was wrong with our pitching last year. We had inconsistency in the bottom of our rotation with Perez and pitcheroftheday and now we can get some innings out of the bottom of our rotation. Pelfrey or Maine as our number 4 pitcher is pretty damned good if you ask me.
My thoughts exactly, with a solid #5 option, means additional rest for the pen for the #1 through #4SP’s pen help. Not to mention our new Phil. Phili speciaist in Redding,lol. He’ll contribute as a team player. Nationals #1 = mets #5?
Question, Dont give Omar to much credit here, Redding was available on the previous few off seasons, if Omar is such a Genius, then why not grab him then? Redding would of clearly had better #’s last season playing with our boys.
1 year 2.25 mil + incentives another solid move my Omar….
next up Derek Lowe…
We are one key injury away from being in third place in the east. I know we still have 5 weeks left but they are making us believe they are unwilling to spend!
If you sign Redding, Lowe must follow.
Oliver Perez is not the answer. He’s erratic, inconsistent and a migraine away from becoming Rick Ankiel.
WE ARE NOT BEING SPOILED..
Wags got injured and KROD was a bargain.
Putz was a trade and we dumped some salary to get him.
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Well, thats the thing. I think you can really only evaluate this move after we get our better pitcher. If it’s Lowe, very good job. Ollie, ok, not the best, but an upgrade over last year. Wolf? Well, we would have problems.
Every team is one key injury from being in third. What’s your point?
What is this amatuer hour!!
Tim freakin Redding!!!!
What a joke
no the joke is the 72 starts logged by the following guys over the last 3 seasons in the #5 role as starter:
Brian lawrence (6)
Jorge Sosa (14)
El- Douque (20 in ‘06 just came off the books)
Dave Williams(5 in ‘06 and 1 in ‘07)
Chan Ho Park (1)
Jason Vargas (2)
Nelson Figueroa (6)
Claudio Vargas (4)
Brandon Knight (2)
Tony Armas (1)
Alan Soler (8)
Victor Zambrano(5)
JOSE LIMA (4)
Geremi Gonazalez(3)
Oh and i discounted the ACTUAL prospects who made starts.
like the 4 pelfrey made in ‘06 before he should have.
the 1 humber made in ‘07 before he was ready
the 4 Neise made this year pre-maturely.
tack those on and we have 80 starts by guys who had no right to be in the MAJORS!!! That’s 26 a year. And 2.5 million for Redding is bad.
I remember Alay “aka Alan” Soler.
Funny guy he was.
Tim Redding… This is bad.
7 – years:
34 -51 with a 4.92 ERA. Would rather have Wolf.
So you’d rather 46-30 for 10 million dollars for a guy who’s pitched for 4 teams and made a grad total of 76 starts in 4 seasons.
2.5 million for a 5th starter isn’t bad at all. This is a bargin if i have ever seen one.
Boston just paid 5.5 million + Incentives to get Smoltz, who won’t even be ready to pitch until after all star break.
This is why you are not and will never be a GM my friend.
I’d take Redding for 2.2 MM over Wolf who wants a multiyear deal around 10MM per.
Big RED is coming to town… What a relief. Now we can finally put the last two seasons behind us.
We GOT EM’
did we beat out Pirates for his services or was it the Royals?
It’s the #5 starter..
Don’t you think you’re overreacting a tad here?
he is not even guaranteed to be the number 5 starter, I dont think people are understanding this
Does anyone think that this may be placing some presure on Scott Boras? Prior to this move, the Mets were seeking TWO starting pitchers and Scott was standing tall representing Derek Lowe and Oliver Perez. He was likely to place one with the Mets, if not two.
Now this number is (may be) down to ONE. With Redding, the Mets have a potential innings eater with their #5 starter. It is time to start going after BEN SHEETS. Scott Boras likes to have teams bidding against themselves. It is time to turn to tables.
It has been suggested in the media and on the blogs that there are many teams backing away from Ben Sheets and that a two year offer in the 18-24 million range (possibly at the lower end of the range) could get the deal done. Even at 24 million/2years, the average annual pay is what was offered LOWE – which he rejected.
Scott Boras has two high priced clients and the possibility of not being able to place either of them with a big market team.
Lowe is seeking Burnett money (16.5 mil/yr)
Perez is seeking a deal about 70 million/5yrs.
What happens if the Mets sign Sheets?
Case 1: Mets sign Sheets and Lowe with Redding as the long man and all for about 25 million per year.
Case 2: This gets Boras to the table a little bit earlier and stops his playing around. This may enable Omar to spend some dollars on the offensive side of the roster signing Lowe and Redding as starters and with Stokes as long relief.
ODTTWKM: Unless he absolutley IMPLODES in ST he is guaranteed the 5th spot
We outbid th LONG ISAND DUCKS for Redding………Pop the Bubbly now!!
who do you guys suggest for a #5?
Duh, idiot.
What we’re supposed to do is sign Lowe and Sheets, and then trade for Peavy. That would make Pelfrey the #5
Santana, Peavy, Sheets, Lowe, Pelfrey
Absolutely nothing about that is unrealistic. The Mets shouldn’t settle for garbage at the #5 hole when every other team doesn’t…
you’re serious?
Of course not.
I’m just venting what tullydew and Darth Manuel want the Mets to do…
sylar, gotcha…didnt catch the sarcasm…
Sylar is at the same point i am where they only way these people would be happy is if the mets had the 5 best starters in all of baseball. Manny and Josh Hamilton as the corner outfielders with Beltran in CF.
King Albert at 1st and ian Kingsler at 2nd and I’ll throw in a discounted Bengie Molina as the C.
LOL Big red is here bro. Our prayers have been answered.
Listen, I’m conscious of budget and everything, but there seems to be an abundance of talent still out there where are five could of been Garland for 7 mil. He’s not great but he’s been in the AL and would be low in the rotation with lower quality opposition.
I don’t know, we’ll see.
Reddings got good stuff, but location is an issue, obviously, based on his careers numbers.
agreed…garland is the only other guy i can think of that id rather over this guy…but if its this guy, and they grab pedro, and the do 5/6, with niese as #7, i dont understand how you can have a major problem with this deal….(unless you’re one of the bloggers who think its realistic to think we are getting lowe, AND ollie, AND sheets, AND making a trade for peavey/halladay while we’re at it…)
that said, in the real world, this deal in itself is not bad at all.
LMAO, Big Red,,,,, now we can sleep at night!
Oh relax. Did you just graduate from sarcasim school or something?
Why don’t you just call in to the radio shows instead.
I thought Bloomquist came free with Redding, thats BULL!!!
Who needs Manny, we got Tim Redding!!!!!
Everyone check out Adam Rubin’s blog. Look at the numbers he has on Schneider when catching our pitchers. It’s very possible he was tipping pitches all year.
I was completely convinced of this last season. During certain late season games I though he might of been yelling the pitches out to the pitcher. His work in the Neise game was mind melting. Worst game I’ve ever seen called.
Omg that is horrible. Damn they really should have signed Torrealba
I just checked that page! OMG I can’t believe those stats. That’s ridiculous.
EVERY METS FAN MUST READ ADAM RUBIN’S BLOG TODAY!!!
BRIAN SCHNEIDER RUINED OUR SEASON!
Schneider’s stats were horrid man wow. But how much did Castro catch in September during the collapse pt. 2? Maybe the numbers are skewed b/c Schneider caught most of those games.
I really can’t believe people are upset about this. Wow! It’s about pitching depth.
The simplicity of the minds of some Mets blows me away.. Then again I cant blame them. Neurotic is a Mets middle name right?
Aren’t we getting too deep in right-handed pitchers? How will we match up to left handed heavy lineups?
i will certainly take 1 semi-decent number 5 pitcher all year over the litany of rotating turds of the past 3 years.
it would be great to have just 1 full rotation rather than 3 guys and a revolving door for the two other spots.
If this is true, this is great and all (if we get Lowe or Perez also) but I’m a little worried. This would mean 3 of our 5 starters are coming back after undergoing surgery (Santana, Maine, Redding). They will all “reportedly” be 100%, but nobody knows for sure. I mean, they are for relatively minor things, but you never know. I’m confident they will all be healthy, but there is always that little seed of doubt.
That’s why you go with depth, like Boston is, by also signing Pedro and Garcia after getting Lowe.
There goes Omar signing another LATINO, Timo Rojas!
HAHAHAHAHA
Who was the #5 for the world champion Phillies last year? Kyle Kendrick with his 5.5 ERA? Adam Eaton with his 5.8 ERA? JA Happ out of the minors? Point is, Redding is a suitable #5 pitcher, especially at that price, and people are blowing this out of proportion.
And check out his splits. Over the last two seasons he has shown that he can be effective for half the season. Yes, there can be plenty of lurking variables there, but the guy did fine over an 81 game span. Maybe he’ll pitch for a while and get spelled by Niese.
totally, man. plus, isn’t adam eaton making like 7 million?
2.25 for a halfway decent FIFTH starter is not too shabby.
Why bring in known mediocrity?! You can’t swing a dead cat in AAA without hitting a Redding-esque pitcher. I would rather have given Neise a shot, or at least somebody with some upside. I realize we have put some bad pitchers in the 5-spot over the last few years, but I would guess that their combined numbers aren’t that much different than what you can expect from Redding.
And god forbid Citifield ends up being a hitters park…we’ll see a lot of 2 and 3-run homers flying out with his 1.5 WHIP.
I don’t expect the Mets to get Lowe, and Perez, and Sheets. One of them seems realistic, but guaranteeing 35 mediocre-to-bad starts doesn’t help anything. It’s very easy to get mediocre/bad starts.
what makes you think Redding is guaranteed anything? All this does is show us that there will be an open competition for the 5th spot between Redding, Niese, and I think Pedro. Redding’s 2.5 million means nothing.
Prediction:
Pedro wins 5 spot with an incentive laden deal for 4mil +
Redding-long man
Niese-Buffalo Bisons Ace
i like it
Seems reasonable to me, but then why sign Redding? Don’t we have plenty of AAAA pitchers for a long relief role.
I can’t get upset about a $2.5 million signing one way or another, it’s just a non-move is all.
thats my point, people are going crazy over nothing. We had no depth last year and this guy is a veteran who would be fine as a fifth starter, yes he is not very good, but Omar is adding depth so hopefully we dont have to promote a guy from AA to make a huge start in September for the 3rd consecutive year
agreed, but I don’t feel much better about Redding starting a huge game.
look, the Redding move is a move that will contribute to helping the entire team .Mets got a young pitcher in Redding with potential to break out on a Mets roster. This guy is a potential K machine. I can even see 15 wins by October. This low cost roster move allows bigger fish to come this off season.
Solid signing. It’s nice to see the fifth spot will be Tim Redding’s to lose and not Jon Niese’s. Now, onto Derek Lowe…
NOW on to Ben Sheets and then (maybe Derek Lowe) Lets put some presure on Scott Boras, for a change.
Redding gives up the long ball! 27 which is more than Wolf, more than Garland, more than even Perez. He only made it past the sixth inning twice!!!
Where do you see that he only made it past the 6th inning twice.
6 innings pitched is through the 6th inning into the 7th. So he went 6+ innings 2 times. But he pitched into the 7th inning 20+ times. With means with the Mets bullpen, you get a setup guy, Putz K-Rod.
In theory that’s all you want. 6 inning setup guy, putz krod. Especially from your 5th starter.
Also if you look at his Home Road splits they are Insane. 5.61 ERA on the Road, a 1.55 WHIP and a .305 BAA. But his Road stats were 4.43 ERA, 1.29 WHIP and a .240 BAA.
It’s official on MLBTRADERUMORS.COM.
He has agreed in principal to a 1 year 2.25 million dollar contract.
A quarter million less then the original one announced.
We got Redding…so now a #2, a LF, and one or two more RPs.
Redding is signed for less than the 2.5 million we initially we speaking about. It’s actually 2.25 million!
We are saving our pennies.
They wont have a press conference will they? I sure hope not.
Redding can make an additional $700,000 in incentives for starts and $500,000 for relief appearances.
At worst, he is going to be a long reliever. Great pick-up. Get our No.2 and another bat, please.
They wont have a press conference will they?
I hope not.
From Troy Renck:
“Redding, 30, won 10 games last season for the Nationals, including three victories over the world champion Phillies. Rockies’ general manager Dan O’Dowd wanted to add Redding for depth, but Jason Marquis became a priority once the Cubs agreed to take on Luis Vizcaino’s salary. Redding can make an additional $700,000 in incentives for starts and $500,000 for relief appearances.”
Hmm…..bonuses for relief appearances??? Could this mean that he is not guaranteed the 5th starters job?? You can come off the ledge now crazy people losing your minds over this like it actually means anything significant.
Screw Boras. He wants Lowe to go elsewhere, so the mets overbid for perez out of desperation. I say forget Lowe and Perez. Sign Ben Sheets to a 2yr/18 million deal with incentives to make an additional 5 mil per year. Also, the mets should slide him into the 5th spot, to give him more time off, which would hopefully diminish the risk of injury. In addition to Redding, perhaps the mets sign Pedro.
1)Santana
2)Pelf
3)Maine
4)Redding/Martinez/ Niese
5)Sheets
In, essence Sheets and Santana will be pitching back to back games. Also, let the 4th spot fight it amongst those three. Niese can be always be sent to AAA, Redding to the bullpen as longman, and Pedro is bound to get hurt or need time off.
the last THREE years we were burned by a lack of depth, and now, omar is addressing this very fact and people are complaining?
no one is saying this guy is going to win us a championship or even the 5th starter job, but i’d rather him than jose lima, alay soler or any other pile of monkey excrement the mets have tossed out there in recent seasons.
Lima&Solar I think the phrase you were looking for is “side show freaks”
I hope Matt makes a post about Adam Rubin’s blog.. That is something that needs to be addressed.
Im fine w/ the Redding signing if we get Lowe and Manny
At first I didn’t like the signing. It has nothing to do w/ the money, as 2.2 is a pittance nowadays. I just felt like we were giving 35 starts to a mediocre/bad pitcher. Then I did a little research and totalled up the 37 starts we got from Pedro, Figueroa, Vargas, Stokes, Neise, Knight, & Armas out of the 5-spot last year. I stand corrected…Redding has the potential to be a vast impovement if he can duplicate last year, or even slide back a little for that matter.
Mets 5th starters: 37GS 202IP 12W 12L 5.52ERA 224H 128R 124ER 30HR 89BB 153K 1.55WHIP
Tim Redding: 33GS 183IP 10W 11L 4.95ERA 195H 110R 100ER 27HR 65BB 120K 1.43WHIP
Tim Redding Career stats
34 wins-51 losses
4.92 ERA
702 innings …767 hits
HE IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, now go and run the stats from every single #5 starter in the league last year and don’t come back until you do.
YES! This is great. I have a good feeling about Redding. Now we just gotta sign Perez and go for MANNY.
Hmmmmm….I remember last week the arguements that Minaya wasn’t filling holes and was too focused on just signing Lowe. It seems he is able to multitask after all…
This is a nice cheap/ low risk move. I like it.
This signing also gives some ever so slight leverage in other SP negotiations throughout the market.
how upset would most of you be if the following happened?
1) Redding signs – this is done
2) Pedro resigns – possibility
3) Mets sign Garland and leave both Lowe and Perez hanging without a team willing to pay them
Then eventually we get the picks for Perez signing a small deal with the Royals or Spankees or someone.
Our rotation would be 6 deep
Santana
Maine
Pelfrey
Pedro
Garland
With Redding as the spot starter when injury bites and long relief when all are healthy
Plus Parnell and Niese are in the minors where they likely belong?
Its a pretty solid staff in my eyes if Pedro can be a 6 inning pitcher with 3 runs given up for 28 starts this coming year (4.5 era)
With a lock down pen that staff has a chance to be solid
Tim Redding is a hick.
Agreed, but John Lannan was actually the Nats best pitcher.
It’s easy to say, “relax, it’s just the 5th starter”, but every fifth day, HE will be the starting pitcher. So I think the 5th starter is pretty important.
That said, why sign a guy who was 10-11 last year, with a 4.95 ERA? What does this guy have that ANY mediocre pitcher that the Mets already have (ie Brandon Knight, Nelson Figueroa) or unproven prospect (Jon Niese) can’t provide?
I’m not saying that Niese, Knight, or Figgy is the answer…but I’m pretty certain that Redding isn’t either.
now that redding might be the #5 starter i think the mets should pursue ollie more than lowe. u cant have santana as the only starting lefty and i want a championship in 09 so i dont feel ready for jon niese to play a big role.
I for one like the signing and this is why:
1) We are getting better production at the 5 spot than we have gotten in the past.
2) Depth is good
3) He’s cheap
4) It doesn’t keep us from going after anyone else because he can just slide into the bullpen if we do.
5) It’s a one year contract
5a) He’s motivated to play for a new one
5b) If he has a good year, and you combine that with his 10 wins from 2008, he MIGHT be able to pitch his way into Type B status? Maybe?
Even if 5b doesn’t apply (don’t kill me if it doesn’t) , all other points do, so I personally love it.
LMAO!!!!!!
So this is how someone on crack types…
jets:
your funny man.. but u make a point, but i ma give you this, don’t you think that they are going with those pitching options to save money and make a bidding to a great hitter.. maybe manny..
That has NEVER been mentioned. It’s Lowe or Ollie AND Wolf, Redding or Pedro.
lol… wow..
We do all realize that they already have a payroll, right? That they don’t start fresh every offseason?
And that maybe they actually have a budget, becuause no one has unlimited revenue, and that they are close to hitting that budget?
I mean, there are a few high-salaried players on this team already. Just few.
No wait, THIS is how someone on crack types, my mistake
To paraphrase what Bill Simmons (the sportsguy) puts at the bottom of his mailbags,
Yup, those are my Met fans!
Hey, Matt should do a mailbag like that before the season starts!
Right and with Lowe, Perez, Garland, Wolf, Sheets, Hudson, Manny, Abreu, Dunn, Wiggy, already signed. Come on Omar what have you done. There is no one left.
Get back in your car and drive away.
Look you can come back on and gloat all you want if the Mets end up with just Redding and Wolf and no offensive upgrade. But I will bet that’s not happening.
how about nelson figueroa? he’s still there too, right?
don’t worry, we’re golden…
How expensive is it to get one of those suits cleaned? Do you really think those other guys are going to ride with you if you keep crapping yourself?
LMAMFAOL!!!!
Yo, u need to stop man, i imagine you breaking tv’s and all that watching the mets bullpen the past 2 years..
Man, single wide. I guess the economy really is hitting the entertainment buisness hard.
Besides the Yankee’s they have been more active than anyone else. Give it time. Again, who is gone that we were really going to get anyway?
“arganization” made me laugh, becuase that’s how so many fans often feel with this team: arg!
From What I can gather, I get the sense that you need some serious MEDS, man its been a tough year for you…First Mets don’t make the Playoffs and then the Jets Collapse. Don’t take it out on the rest of us with your rants.
BTW……… GO BIG BLUE!!!!
I’m amazed you have such insight into the Mets finances, and negotiations, so that you can “make a point” that they can sign two pitchers and stay within budget.
I think metjet forgets that this team was pennies from having the second highest payroll in baseball last year. They’re payroll will probably end up being second or third again once they sign all there pieces. Yet everyone wants them to just spend spend spend. last time we did that was 1993 and i went through years of therapy to forget that year.
alright man, seriously, who do you want pitching for the mets n 2009? and please be realistic and elaborate..
Obviously we know what you want but really. If the Mets signed Perez and Wolf (which I don’t think is likely anyway) that would certainly be a good rotation.
Sounds like a Jet fan…
lol, i go with that if we sign manny, i don’t think we should view perez as a 1A option.. is amazing NOBODY has inquire about this guy.. NOBODY..
Come on, it’s not that hard. A plus pitcher like Lower or Ollie and then a reliable pitcher like Redding or Garland for the back end. Then give Pedro and Garcia incentive laden contracts like the Sox did with Penny and Smoltz. If they can do it, why not us? Omar always says he want 6-7 SPers.
WHO IS GONE? Just stop it. It is taking a long time but because all the options are still there time is not an issue. Seriously you think all of these guys will just stay FA and Omar will do nothing. June 15 and people are saying well, I wonder why Sheets, Lowe, Manny have not signed yet?>
LOL.. I GUESS you do make some valid points, i just want manny here not only becoz he’s a great hitter, i just see him giving the clubhouse a different view (not chockers or fold under pressure).. he also don’t take crap from nobody, so if someone says somehing about us we’ll finnally have somebody to say f**k you back..
He’s a Mets AND Jets fan. As someone with the same allegiances, I can identify with his… em… lack of even temperament. (Hell, if I hadn’t had as much practice at taking disappointment and/or gut shots from my teams, I might have made it to the top of a clocktower by now.)
LOWE, is the most overrated pitcher in the market right now, sheets is the way to go.. but the mets won’t go either..
I like that plan but it’s not the only plan that will work.
“don’t sign manny”
huh?
He’s obviously being sarcastic..
Lowe is not only good but he’s durable. While Sheets can be great, what do the Mets do when he’s done in June?
niese is in the wings.. that’s the whole plan.. isn’t it..?
You want Niese to replace your #2??!?!?!?
lol, good point.. i’m glad u made it out of rehab..
Thank you Metterman. I have been preaching that from the beginning. This isn’t monopoly money or your money. If it were make yourself a millionaire who owns a baseball team. Your losing money due to a declining economy, just lost millions in another venture, and have shelled out millions for a new stadium. They still are willing to improve this teams and just signed and traded for a 2 of the best relievers available. They are willing to improve the club by signing a couple of more starters. You only need one great starter and a few good ones and you’ll have a very good staff. Remember this team tied the Phillies for the second most runs scored in the NL Scoring runs won’t be a problem. So they need guys who will get the game to the 7th inning and they will win alot of games. Lowe and Redding will do just that. Have faith or your just a fair weather fan.
get BEN SHEETS..
LEITER,
A CLOCK TOWER ? LOL THAT’S PRETTY FUNNY.
ALTHOUGH I’M NOT A JET’S FAN ( PERISH THE THOUGHT ) I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH OUR FRIEND, I’VE NOT FELT A HIT TO THE GUT AS YOU EXPRESSED, NO, FOR ME IT WAS MORE A KICK TO THE TESTIES WITH STEEL TOES, THEN FLUNG DOWN THE STAIRS AS I LAY IN A FETAL POSITION OUT OF BREATH AND GRASPING IN UNBEARABLE PAIN WHAT WAS LEFT OF THE FAMILY JEWELS.
Thanks for fixing that, no one knew what you meant.
seriously man, relax.. what if we get manny? u never know man..
dude, it said 2.5million…breathe…..
Didn’t you read the 12:50 update? 2.5 mil.
lol.. ok..
dude, its 2.5, not 4….stop making a mess all over yourself, take it easy!!!
JM:
Did you cry the last 2 days of the season when we choked the last day??
honestly.. i just wanna know..
No offense.
I don’t want someone Disrupting the clubhouse. Making 25 million dollars a year at the age of 40. Who might not be playing. Who’s best season of the last 5 years happened to be a CONTRACT YEAR. one where he forced his way out of Boston where he had just helped them win 2 World Series in 3 years, where is was considered a god, and they looked the other way when he goofed off. A place where they created the saying “That’s just manny being manny”. Where he had Knee Trouble that was madeup so he didn’t have to play. One where he decides minutes before the games that he needs a day off.
Yeah i want a guy to be not hustling when he’s 37. A guy who looked like he was in Decline until his ,again, CONTRACT YEAR.
Is manny the best right-handed hitting outfielder I have ever seen in my lifetime. YES!!! Will be be for the next 3 years. I don’t know. Will he be worth 25 million next year if he is in a guaranteed 3 year deal. Probably not.
While we are at it, i hear Barry Bonds is looking to make a comeback this year also.
dude, read the post a little further down, it says UNDER 4million, then if you go down a bit more it says the offer is believed to be for like 2.5million….take a deep breath dude!!!
it says LESS than 4 mill.
Hey, still better than paying Silva 40mill over 4 years, right?
To put it in context, a potentially better than league average #5 SP will get paid less than Schoenweiss.
LMAO!!!!
LMAO!!! PPL, for real.. STOP WITH THIS CRAP STUFF!!!
If we do get him will you stop posting? More things to hope for.
;)
Stop the nonsense… This site is going downhill fast, Matt.
What do you know, Bloomquist just signed with the Royals.
180 innings of a 4.9 ERA is not crap. When was the last time the #5 spot in our rotation put up numbers as good as that? You have go to back to 2006 when Trachsel won 15 games with a 4.97 ERA.
I don’t need a sense of humor. I don’t like 10 year olds. Go play on your myspace page and google britney spears before your parents come home from work…waste of life.
NYCESQ,
CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE ?
I CAN ONLY SPECULATE, BUT I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU BEING AN ATTORNEY.
Dude, GO AWAY. How old are you, anyway? You’re acting like a child.
Matt, please ban some of the members on here. It is getting out of hand.
This is place is getting worse than the mets.com messageboards
He probably is one. If not, poor girlfriend/wife.
Who are the Royals?
What do you know, MANNY wants to sign with the Mets!
Seriously Stop drinking the Kool Aid Mark4212.
Manny produces his avg #’s next 2 years is all we are asking for.
Make no mistake people if we don’t win in 2009 or 2010 with or without Manny.
Money woes will be the least of our problems.
Drinking the cool-aid would have me wanting manny at 3 years 75 million.
Not drinking the cool-aid is right where i am. Where if he comes at a respectable salary for a 37 year old player who’s was known as a bad attitude last season on a team that was a championship contender (Boston) at $25 million guaranteed is just too much.
There is one player who makes $25+ million a year and it’s A-Rod.
Manny made 19 million last year. He’s a year older, and deserves a 6 million dollar a year raise.
I’m all for signing manny. Just not at 3 years 75 million. or 2 years 50 million. 1 year 25 million i would say is ok. 2 years 38 million 3 years 59 million maybe.
Oh and if Boras wasn’t Manny’s manager, he might just be making 25 million dollars a year in Boston, which was what his 2 options years were at.
CHANHO,
FYI THERE WAS A TIME THAT IF A PITCHER WAS SPORTING A 4.90 ERA HE WASN’T IN ANY STARTING ROTATION.
KHERUB,
THANK YOU,
I HAVE NOT LAUGHED THIS HARD SINCE I’VE BEEN LOGGING ON THIS BLOG.
VERY FUNNY THREAD.
Where did you read that?
Don’t tease us like that.
Do I owe you 20 bucks for that?
I read that too.. specially after he found out we sign tim redding.. he feels we’re ready to compete for a champuionship after that signing.
That was then, this is now. Any Met fan would have signed up for a 4.90 ERA out of that spot last year and the year before.
Are you looking in a three way mirror while you’re laughing?
Who is Bloomquist?
where?
Case, i’m being SARCASTIC..
Too many 12 year olds and.or 30-somethings who write and think like 12 year olds. We are the victim of our success. It used to be a place populated by mature, respectful discussions of baseball.
you think that’s funny? After all I’ve been through?
lol, sorry case.. i promise not to do that again..
Hey this is not instant messenger, and dont care to share your boring conversation people
Now lets talk some BIG RED action, the team as a whole is better today with Timmy. He’ was a solid #1 pitcher for the nats with their AAA lineup behind him, and will be a solid #5 for us with the Mets 2nd tier position players@his side every 5th game. If #5 spot is what Omar has in mind, or a relief role, it also is a barganing chip in any FA ,SP negotiations to come.
We are victim of our success????? What success i that? 1986…… Wow must of mised our recent successes. Oh the choking; Well you call it success most call it choking.
OK, YOU ARE BANNED for playing God.
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