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In an interview with 790 AM Radio in Atlanta yesterday, Braves GM Frank Wren said he is not just focused on free-agent RHP Derek Lowe, but is also entertaining trade proposals for a starting pitcher, saying:
“There’s other guys out there that we like… I have trade proposals on my desk, as we speak, that would bring another pitcher to us… The trade proposal that I have on my desk, that was put in place six weeks ago.”
During the discussion, Wren said he does not see his team acquiring Jake Peavy from the Padres.
…hat tip to MLB Trade Rumors for the link and quote…
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Sounds to me the Braves may be doing a little posturing of their own now. Perhaps they are less excited to offer a 4 Year, $60M deal to an aging SP too.
As I’ve been saying, 3 Years, $36M is perfect for Lowe.
Yes, it’s a perfectly reasonable deal, but it still won’t get it done.
If it doesn’t get it done, then I don’t want any part of Lowe. Save the $$ and use it more intelligently.
No, no Mr. Wren. We took that Scott Schoeneweiss for Brian McCann trade off the table when we dumped Schoe. Silly Frank Wren.
woah! what happened to the crappy citifield patch post???
Interesting….So are they even going to put a firm offer on the table for Lowe?
Maybe they trade for Sanchez then. Someone should.
Get delgado and kunz for sanchez and molina.. i’m sure you’d be happy trs..
if hes happy with that he must be smokin something
you want to trade a top 10 prospect from our system and a key cog in our lineup signed to a reasonable contract for a 34 year old catcher and a SP that has worse control problems than Perez?
If we used that 12 million to go out and sign Manny then yes.
Reyes, Murphy, Wright, Manny, Beltran, Molina, Church, Castillo? Sure.
that line up scores some runs dude.
And if they could somehow unload Luis, and go with a young guy (good glove, developing hitting) even better.
That leaves our rotation as
Johan, Pelf, Maine, Sanchez, Redding??
NOPE SORRY!!!!!
Not necessarily. You could have the money to sign another pitcher with that Delgado money. Also as suming you would deal Schnieder for a utility guy.
That would free up 17 million between Delgado and Schnieder. Manny would cost you 20 million. You would still have plenty of money to get a Garland or Sheets.
Garland??? Hes not even better than what we have now!!
Not better than Niese? come on. The guy would be one of the top #4-5 pitchers in the NL.
“The guy would be one of the top #4-5 pitchers in the NL.”
Ok, Santana, Webb, lincecum, haren, zambrano, peavy, harden, oswalt, hamels,
should i keep going?
718, TRS meant one of the top #4 or #5 starters in the league. I will agree about 5s, but not so suer about 4s.
Of course, at the 5 hole, you are competing with guys like Pedro, Eaton/Kendrick, etc. So that might be damning with faint praise..
i just wish someone would sign him already…im getting tired of it
the braves were supposed to put in this “offer” early this week, like today/tomorrow…this is definitely an interesting comment, if you think back a few days ago, when everyone was saying they didnt expect the braves to offer much more then 12 per year…
i hope the braves offer is slightly better then the mets’ initial…maybe 4/48. or 3/39……because I think the mets would go to 3/42, but are more reluctant on that 4th year (can’t say I blame them….)
anything more than that, I would agree in letting him go…I wouldnt give lowe 15 per, for 4 years…
Wasn’t Zack Greinke a possibility for the Braves? Pretty sure I heard that rumor this off-season at times.
I wish Zack Greinke was on the Mets radar.
I just don’t see why the Braves would give Lowe who is going to be what 36 years old this season a 4 year contract at 15 or 16 million a year. I read these reports saying the Braves want him to replace Smoltz. Replace Smoltz? Smoltz is going to be out to at least the all star break and is in his forties. Were the Braves really counting on Smoltz before he signed with the Red Sox’s? I doubt it. Smoltz left because a) the Braves did not want him anymore or b) because he knows he has a year or two left and he wants another ring and he knows the Braves are no where close to that.
Now Peavy is a great fit for the Braves considering he is still young and he is an ace who you can build around.
I don’t want to get off on a rant but bottom line I feel the Braves getting Lowe for the money and years he wants is not worth it at all. He is not going to make them a contender to the Phillies, Mets, and even Marlins.
Now for the Mets it makes sense because the Mets are right there, they just are a few pieces away, one of them being a solid 2 or 3 SP which Lowe is. Just makes no sense for the Braves at all in my thinking anyway.
Zack Grienke does not have the head for NY.
Congrats to Rickey and Rice.
yes congrats. I’m glad Rice made it.
Ditto.
Sounds to me like Wren is posturing here. he’s had such a disaster of an offseason, I think he’d like people to think he’s got a number of deals “in the works.”
Funny to think that Atlanta used to be such a thorn in our side, but they could conceivably challenge the Nats for last place now.
They aren’t as bad as some people think. If they can get a few SPs that work out (at least stay healthy!), and the 3 pen guys they lost come back and stay back, they have enough talent to compete.
The Braves got slammed with injuries just as hard as the Mets last year. And I think they were only about 4 games out at the all start break before falling apart.
Well that will happen when you have 3 Hall of Fame pitchers, 1 LH and 2 RH atop your rotation for a decade, and a possible Hall of fame 3rd baseman develop and brought up through your system. Kind of hard to not compete for a division crown let alone win it for so long.
I mean if the Mets had a Greg Maddox, Tommy Glavine, and John Smoltz in their primes for 10 years, They would have won 10 division crowns.
Thing is it’s really tough to get that, and tough to have them all that healthy for so long.
Could be Wren bluffing at Boras, could be valid. or both.
Of course, people froget that Omar could decide to swing a trade too if the FA deals aren’t attractive enough. Or in addition.
maybe the Braves really won’t do 4 years, or want to go past 12. So they bump a little, and do 3/39, final, take it or leave it.
Omar than likely blinks and does 3/42, holds firm on 4 years, and Lowe ends up taking it.
Could also end up with a 4th year option, but it would have to be heavily weighted in the teams favor, so that it only kicks in if he is still quite good in year 3.
OK, how about 3/39 guaranteed, 4th yer vesting (team?) option at 14 with a 3mill buyout?
Keeps the mets to 13mill/year to help payroll, and guarantees Lowe an AAV of 14, with the potential of 53 mill over 4.
I think that is more than reasonable, in this economic environment especially, for a decent but not great 26 YO innings eater.
I wish Cliff Floyd was still mobile or was willing to coach. Our clubhouse sorely misses him.
Jim Rice made it in? Good for him!
Well deserved and several years too late.
Wow, is that an ugly Braves hat.
While they might be in pursuit to upgrade their rotation, the Braves have tons more work to do than finding a couple of more starters. Even if their bullpen can manage to stay healthy at all once for most of the year they don’t exactly have a lights out closer to set up man and they’re most likely losing Ohman as a lefty specialist.
Around the field they’ve got a lot of question markets (except for maybe McCann) with no one knowing how Kotchman will rebound after a bad initial half season.
Kelly Johnson is not a good player, only against us or more specifically Aaron Heilman so maybe his magic is over.
Escobar looks to have the tools but he’s the 4th best SS in the division.
Chipper might kill us head to head but given his health it will be a big deal for him to play more than 130 games.
In the OF they have as much of a question mark in LF as we do, Matt Diaz & Omar Infante are not everyday players in their own right. I know they have a stud OF prospect for CF, but I’d be more worried about Cameron Maybin on the Marlins than Atlanta puts out there. Add to that Frenchy’s big step backward last year.
I know they’re the Braves and they love to stick it to the Mets, especially since they’re playing the role of underdog or spoiler in the division, but add up their roster even with some pitching additions and I see no reason to be really afraid.
On Mlbtraderumors it was reported that Hudson may have to take a 1 year deal. That changes EVERYTHING. Signing him for 8 million 1 year would be great. Then you can work on dumping Castillo for anything.
I’d be open to one year of Hudson, but still, only if we don’t settle for the poo poo platter for the rest of our rotation.
I thought hudson was out for much of the year and signed? or am I confusing him with someone else?
never mind. Since we were talking pitching and Braves I thought you meant TIm.
Orlando at 1/8 is more appetizing than for 4/40 or whatever.
Still not sure what you do with Castillo. Wonder how he would work off the bench? Not good I’m afraid.
But if you can get Hudson on a 1 year deal, why would any team want to take on Lusi for 3?
He will work great off the bench…. In the minors on Rehab all season long.
If by any means O. Hudson is on the Mets Castillo won’t be on the team. He will be bought out. They won’t want him on the bench, as he can only play one position on the field, and it’s not very good when he’s there.
that’s one ugly hat, no disrespect.
Don’t they need another top/mid of the rotation guy regardless of Lowe? Jair Jurrjens is their number one now.
Mets should offer Lowe a $50M for 4 years offer garantee. It’s 12.5 avg per year, but it has a 4th year garantee.
They should pay him (15-14-12-9) each year and if for some reason (i hope not), the Mets are not a contender in 2012 they can trade him to someone that need him for a reasonable amount of money.
I think I know what you are trying to do by front-end loading his contract. However that is not really as good idea as it may seem.
Backloading contracts allows for the effect of inflation to diminsh the overall value of the contract, essentially saving some money for the organization. Also, allthough this is most likely the last big contract Lowe will sign, it is in the Player’s (and the Union’s) best interest to have the player making the most money at the end of their deal to help set market value at a higher rate.
And Ultimately, if Lowe is pitching poorly at the end of his contract, it’s not likely anyone is going to want to trade much for him anyway, and so, having paid the vast majority of his contract at that point, we would probably just end up keeping him as a “cheap” in-house option.
Lowe has been a lock to the Mets for some time now. Itsjust a matter of how much its going to cost.
3 years 40-45 mil with an option is perfectly reasonable given the fact that he had a tremendous year last season and has pitched extremely well in the postseason…
Boras meeting with Atlanta is just a Bluff move to drive Lowe price up. Everyone knows Atlanta doesn’t pay there players. Only Chipper I mean Larry Jones. If someone else get involve I will be scared but as of now it is just a matter of time till we sign Lowe. This move will get Lowe more money from the Mets but no more than 14mil. So kudos to Boras so raising the price 2mil but lets put this to an end and sign the deal.
I wouldn’t sign Hudson for any more than 2/18. He never plays a full season, and just isn’t that good. He would, however, be a major upgrade over the scrap heap we have polluting the air between Reyes and Delgado now.
why are numbers like 1/9 and 2/18 begin thrown around for Hudson? is there any competition for him? i heard Nationals had interest, but then they didn’t … and nobody else. I don’t think he is going to have a lot of options.
This demonstrates how savvy Wren is, and how Omar is not very savvy. Who knows whether Wren actually has other SP deals available via trade, but he’s smart to let Lowe’s agent (and other agents) think that he is not limited to Lowe or any one pitcher. Omar/The Mets made a big tactical blunder by out and out “declaring” that their top 2 choices are Lowe and Perez- this has been out there for a month or two now. The whole world knows that, for the Mets, its “Lowe or Perez or bust!,” which really hurts their leverage, especially the minute one of them signs with another team. At that point, the Mets will have zero leverage and the whole world will know they really want whoever is left between Lowe and Perez. Even if you’re not interested in Sheets, etc., or in a trade for another SP, you should at least let everyone THINK that you are, so as to create a seed of doubt in the agents’ minds, and to create leverage. Huge tactical error. The Braves have run circles around the Mets for years in that department…they are very smart/savvy.
Not that anyone else even wants Oliver Perez- the Mets are the only ones with known interest, which is scary. That’s what happens when a pitcher gives up 8 runs in 1/3 of 1 inning every 5th outing…there’s usually not much interest from smart teams to pay him 14m/year.
I gotta give it to Cerrone. That Braves hat is hilarious.
Let me see if I understand this. The Mets are willing to shell out $13 or $14 million a year, for three years (or a fourth under some option,) but would rather see Lowe sign with a division rival rather than spend $1 million more per year for the same time period?
Whoever said it above is right– they won’t get Ollie any cheaper, because ultimately someone will meet the Mets price, and it’ll become an auction. Starting pitching is precious, and it costs.
Get Lowe– he’s not young, but he’s a consistent 200-inning per year pitcher who keeps the ball down. Ollie isn’t a kid anymore, he’s unlikely to suddenly become a different type of pitcher, and the Mets haven’t been able to get him to control the strike zone. Five innings per outing will put the same stress on the bullpen that we’ve been seeing the last 3 seasons, with resulting breakdown in the late season.
Perhaps the Braves are just driving up the Mets price but really have no intention of going after Lowe.
Whenever a GM says he’s not interested-He’s interested