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Hitter: Mets are only in Pitchers Market
By Matthew Cerrone - Jan 13, 2009 10:31 am

Yesterday, during a conference call, when asked specifically about Rangers SS Michael Young, who requested a trade and will play second base for the right team, Omar Minaya said:

“I can’t comment on a player on another team.  Right now, we’re not in the position player market – we’re in the pitcher market.”

Speaking of position players…

Reds GM Walt Jocketty told MLB.com that he doubts Adam Dunn will be re-signing in with Cincinnati, “Especially at the price he’s looking for.”

The Angels have interest in White Sox OF Jermaine Dye, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

52 Responses to “Hitter: Mets are only in Pitchers Market”

  1. darkstar73 says:

    stop it with this michael young nonsense, i seriously can’t believe anyone would support trading for this guy (cost too much in players, money, years, and is seriously in decline). And now, it’d be an even worse idea considering how selfish he’s showing himself to be by refusing to move to a new position and demanding a trade publicly.

    • alex242 says:

      well, if it means getting rid of castillo straight up and not giving up a ML ready player i’m all for it..

      • Xavier22 says:

        and if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their posteriors a hoppin’

      • Sylow59 says:

        How does that make any sence? Castillo is 3 years @ $6M; Young is 5? @ $16M . Do the math, if Castillo is eating at the budget then how would Young not eat the budget. In fact, he would eat 10M more (> Dunn). For the same price you can hav Castillo and Dunn / Abreu / etc or you can have Young. Plus Young will be around for an additional two years. You can sign Hudson and make Castillo one of the groundskeepers and still be in better shape.

  2. npanzeca says:

    This is very one sighted, they should be looking at anything that can make us better.

  3. dave27 says:

    I am a big Omar fan, but I don’t know why he makes comments like “we’re not in the hitter’s market.”

    Huh? There are high quality players who can’t drum up any interest, and he is all but committing to two corner spots dedicated to Church, Tatis, or Murphy? One would hope he’s at least monitoring these guys.

    • mrose says:

      it may not work great, but….he may be saying it simply to be able to jump in on people as a surprise, why should he play all his cards? why come out and publicly state if your team has a glaring hole? It just works in the players/agents favors..

      • dave27 says:

        Isn’t that what he’s doing? Why say anything at all?

        I don’t understand this notion of “surprising” people.

        • mrose says:

          saying what he said when asked a question by a reporter, is better than saying “no comment” or “OH MY GOD YES WE NEED A BAT!”

          Its not like hes calling press conferences to announce what he wants to do, reporters ask this stuff

  4. mrmustseetv says:

    A few thoughts:

    1. The Mets should sign Oliver Perez. I always though he was the best option. Enough with giving over 35 year old players contracts. Perez may not be as consistent, but if you get him at $10-$12M, then he’s still great value as even a #3 starter.

    I am convinced that Maine will rebound as a solid #3 and that Pelfrey will continue his progession into a #2.

    2. If you get Perez at the $12M range or under, then sign Ben Sheets to a 2 year deal with an option year. Is he risky? Sure, but a two-year deal limits the risk. Offer the same annual salary as Perez. With a chance to win and all things being equal, then maybe Sheets agrees to join the Mets.

    3. If you sign Sheets, then you can move Redding to the bullpen as a Darren Oliver-type long man and give Niese some time in AAA. Should Sheet or someone else come down with injury, he’d be the 1st one up.

    4. Then sign Manny! Okay, so the Mets will be way over budget if they sign Perez, Sheets AND Manny. I get it.

    SO trade Delgado. I am convinced that over the next 2 to 3 years Manny will be the better hitter. If you trade Delgado, you save $12M. The Angels need a slugger to take over for Texiera and at a one-year deal they may bite.

    THEN you platoon Daniel Murphy and Fernando Tatis at first instead of left.

    Thoughts?

    • Xavier22 says:

      I was with you until your 4th point. You make it sould so easy – just pick up Manny, trade Delgado and platoon Murphy/Tatis at 1B.

      Unlike fantasy baseball, it won’t be so easy to trade Delgado given his age and his contract dollars.

      There’s no guarantee that Murphy and/or Tatis will simply glide over the 1B position and take to it like a fish to water. Murphy’s defense is pretty mediocre – it will be even more exposed at 1B.

      The Mets problem last year was not hitting, it was pitching. I’m not saying they don’t need an upgrade in LF, but Manny is a luxury at this point. Someone like Dunn would be more than enough in LF.

      • mrmustseetv says:

        I disagree with your points. Both Tatis and Murphy came up corner infielders. The were converted to the outfielder.

        Murphy played more games at first in his career than left. He came up a third basemen. He doesn’t have the speed or instincts for left. He doesn’t have the arm for third, but he had soft enough hands at third to think he can be a first basemen.

        Tatis was a third basemen. He spelled Delgado many times at first last year.

        I see you point on being able to easily trade Delgaodo, but as in any deal Omar can gauge the Angels interest and ask them if they want him. If they do, then you sign Manny as you trade Delgado. One deal contingent on the other.

        • Sylow59 says:

          The Angels are a good target for Delgado and Murphy:

          1) They don’t have a 1B.

          2) They don’t have a lefty in their lineup.

          3) They could use OFs. Theirs are getting old

          4) They have excess talent at our needs (C, 2B)

          5) They have a high priced backup

          So how about this:

          Murphy: The Angels need top of the order guys and an OF or two nexty year.

          Delgado: Trombo is a year away.

          Schneider (see below)

          Castillo + 15M of Castillo’s salary (see below)

          for

          Sean Rodriguez: they have Kendrick, Aybars, and Brandon Wood. He really has noplace to go.

          Paoli: Conger is at AA this year. Schneider adds a lefty bat and experience. Conger is at AA this year. If LAA doesn’t go for it, then get Conger instead and live with Castro and I Rod.

          Figgens: He gets 6M this year. In effect we have him at 11M (adding the 5M from Castillo’s salary) and they have a 2b sub (Kendrick will play 145+g) at 500k.

          Someone, probably the Mets, would need to add a lower level guy.

      • mrmustseetv says:

        Ugh, I am not a Dunn fan at all. .240 hitter. so he hits 40 homers. he also strikes out like a like a 150 times.

    • JefJarrett says:

      That is a well thought out post with good justification and realistic options – you know that has absolutely no place on this board.

      Just kidding -

      I agree with your thought process. I’m not sold on the Manny thing – but he would be much less of a question mark than Delgado would be going into this year.

      I like the Sheets idea….and that is the type of move a large market team should make – an incentive based deal, but still with enough guaranteed cash to make them want to sign. If it doesn’t work out…then it was only 4-6 million dollars that you can handle better because you are a large market team. It works out better than offering Lowe 4yrs at 15per and have him become totally ineffective once his sinker stops sinking.

      I think taking the Red Sox approach to things may be the best. Sign Sheets – maybe Pedro to incentive based deals and there is your pitching staff. If Ollie comes crawling along in a month because noone wanted to sign him and we can get him w/ an affordable contract…then great

  5. uppertank says:

    1 thing at a time market…

  6. rogasm says:

    Lowe has signed with the Braves…done deal.

  7. theCoop says:

    I am a prOmar person, but I think he’s incredibly naive thinking we can go into 2009 with the line up the way it is. What are the odds Delgado continues to produce the way he did? What are the odds Beltran doesn’t have one of his 89.1% days? What are the odds Reyes doesn’t slump and bring the entire team with him? What are the odds David Wright doesn’t hit into an inning-ending double play every time we have men in scoring position with one out? My point is, after #5 in the line up there is NO ONE, unless you count Santana every 5th day, you can look to being a legit threat. That’s why Nady was so great in 2006. And why Alou was the most dangerous hitter in the mets line up while healthy. Omar has had his flubs, I think his good deals certainly outweigh his bad. But if this is not addressed, it doesn’t matter if God herself is closing out the 9th – we won’t need Her unless the offense scores damn runs.

    • darkstar73 says:

      i didn’t read anything beyond your Beltran comment. Seriously, people like you need to give it a rest. Belran should go down as one of the true warriors to have put on a Met uniform. He constantly plays hurt, puts himself on the line in the outfield, and has come up with big hits for us, yet all most Met fans can remember is 2006 game 7 and him talking about injuries. Pathetic.

      • Xavier22 says:

        Sing it brother!

      • theCoop says:

        Darkstar where on earth did I say anything about Beltran being the reason the mets lost game 7? Sorry do you know me? In fact, I am probably one of the only people who DEFENDS Beltran for game 7. I also don’t call 2008 a collapse (no I don’t drink Kool Aid on a daily basis).

        People like YOU need to get off their high horse and give it a rest – last year was the first season since 2005 that Beltran didn’t complain about his legs, his arms, his head, his nuts…

        • theCoop says:

          Oh and now I’m fired up – Beltran may play “hurt” but he brought the team down in 2007 when he refused to DL. That to me, hurts the team a lot more than being a man and getting the rest he needs. BTW, the rant wasn’t about Beltran but about how weak the line up is after #5.

          • Dirtysanchez says:

            I see what your saying but thats the same pretty much throughout the NL. What team do you know that has a credible threat 1-9….nobody. Usually u want your best to get the most AB and the latter guys are more for role playing. I have not done any research but im pretty sure no other team has an awsome 6-9 but the mets dont. I believe every team has that issue and can only count on 6-9 to stratigically continue what 1-5 did.

  8. Philnym31 says:

    Done deal guys, Lowe signs with Atlanta.

  9. VCarver says:

    Well, the Braves bid against themselves. That’s what desperation does.

    I am glad the Mets didn’t overpay for Lowe.

    Now go get Ollie or Sheets, Omar.

  10. mistermet says:

    Very short sighted and foolish to shun the idea of upgrading your offense. This is an offense that crumbled and withered down the stretch yet again last year and could not get a clutch hit to save their lives- and you are bringing back the exact same offense without the slightest thought of wanting to upgrade at C, 1B, LF, RF, 2B.

    Short sighted.

    • Dirtysanchez says:

      im sure it has been a thought but they have to prioritize(spl)..especially now since omars main target has signed within the division. Pitching and bullpen were our main issue last year and omar for the most part addressed the bullpen. SP should be our main focus at the moment. If you recall they were courting ibanez but he signed with the phills. The have looked at offense but now it would most likely have to come as a trade.

  11. docgood86 says:

    BRAVES SIGNED LOWE – 4/60

    • darkstar73 says:

      good, they’ll be the ones stuck with him in year 2, 3 and 4 when that sinker is going 85 mph and Beltran and company are teeing off on it. Seriously, what a horrible deal for the Braves, this is how desperate they are.

  12. Dirtysanchez says:

    Damn the braves were pretty active this offseason…Well move on to perez and sheets

  13. uppertank says:

    Now we wait 2 weeks to hear about Perez…

  14. mistermet says:

    Two months ago, the Braves had no rotation, and now they have a better rotation than we do. The Mets had at least 2 spots to fill their rotation (Maine huge question mark, Pelfrey will come down to earth), and all we hear about is how the mets are “focused on their pitching.” That doesn’t appear to be the case, does it? You let the Braves get 3 quality pitchers and revamp their rotation by getting Lowe, Vazquez (Mets fell asleep w/ him), and Kawakama. And you have countered with Tim Redding.

    Congrats on 3rd place.

    • alex242 says:

      LMAO… they have nmo offense.. this guy lowe is NOT THAT GOOD!! i’ve saidthat million times, and watch during the season… they are not better than us at anything!!! ppl calm down..

      • Dirtysanchez says:

        agreed alex. Just because they got lowe does not mean they are the front runner for the division. The japanese pitcher they signed will most likely take some time to adjust. Lowe and Vasquez are good but not that good. People need to relax..imagine if omar bit at the 4/60 contract…we would be done for the offseason.

    • darkstar73 says:

      so all of a sudden some japanese guy who hasn’t pitched in the majors is better than both maine and pelfrey, who have both had success in the majors? Pathetic excuse for commentary.

  15. alex242 says:

    Lowe to the braves.. good fro them.. watch him be like 5-11 with 4.83 ERA against everybody else and be like 4-0 with a 2.25 against the mets ala zito when he sign with the giants.. urgh

  16. mistermet says:

    Apologists. Get a clue. Braves are a better team than the Mets. When you factor in chemistry, it’s not even close.

    • darkstar73 says:

      braves better than the mets? do you even watch baseball?

    • kingman 26 says:

      Thanks mistermet—I used to read your incredibly silly and nonsensical posts and get annoyed, but now I just laugh at them.

      Thanks for this one!

  17. shudderWINGS says:

    I don’t understand what the big deal is about getting Adam Dunn.

    He can play LF this year, spot some time at 1B, and then when Delgado’s gone next year, he moves to 1B.

    What’s the issue? He hits 40HR’s a year and walks almost 100 (if not more) as well.

    He only has a K problem, and he’s around 30 years old, if not younger.

    It’s only money; not prospects.

    • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

      I don’t know why this idea has been so unpopular, how can any offense that doesnt even have a LF say we can do without a guy who will hit 35+ HRs with a 385+ OBP.

      • kingman 26 says:

        It has to be either his bad reputation among GMs who seem to think he has no heart, or that he is asking for a crazy amount of dollars/years, or maybe some combo of both.

        Dunn has hit 40 HR and walked 100 times for 5 straight years. Whatever his shortcomings, these are very valuable numbers. Especially for a team with a very unsettled outfield outside of CF.

  18. Hit The Weights Zeile says:

    Omar tunnel vision baby. focus on one aspect of the team each offseason and let the area you neglected come back to bite you next year. after 06 he didnt get any starting depth and our rotation fell apart in 07, after 07 he got no bullpen help and our bullpen fell apart in 08, after 08 he got no offensive help and our offense will fall apart in 09 when delgado takes a step back, tatis comes to earth, murphy gets scouted more by the league, and castillo and schneider do their usual thing. not saying he hasnt helped our team but he can never quite put together a complete offseason then gives us this nonsense about making deals during the year and HE NEVER DOES!

  19. Roach2 says:

    I think we need to start taking into account how up against the wall Omar is..

    1. He’s already lost a considerable amount of trading chips in the JJ Putz deal.

    2. He has signed K-Rod, thus losing 2 future draft picks. Is he ready to lose more by throwing money at free agents?

    3. Omar received a lot of press in 2006 and 2008 with the trades (i.e. Santana) he made and how he “fleeced” other GMs. What establised or upcoming GM would want to trade with him to be the next “mark”? I have a sinking feeling Omar has inadvertently burned bridges with franchises around the league, thus making his job even harder. Some may even argue we gave up too much in the Putz deal (i am not one of them).

    Very interested to see how this offseason plays out now for the mets.

    • mrmustseetv says:

      Just a slight correction. Omar did not lose two draft picks for signing K-Rod.

      The Mets surrendered their 1st round pick to the Angels, plus the Angels receive an additional supplemental pick, but that pick is not taken away from the Mets but is awarded to them by MLB.

      The signing team only loses one draft pick, the team losing the player nets two picks.

  20. Cactus says:

    Good job concentrating on pitching, Omar.