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Brad Bortone of Bugs & Cranks responds to reader comments about Derek Lowe signing with the Braves.
Ted Berg of SNY.tv did a Q&A with Will Sommer of Mets Fans Forever.
Andrew Beaton at Hot Foot introduces the Buffalo Bisons, the Mets new Triple-A affiliate.
Lastly, Joe McDonald has re-designed NY Sports Day, using this popular template from Word Press – nice work.
Joe McDonald is a hack and j erk of a guy. No one should use visit his website.
looks like our rotation is gunna be
johan
pelf
perez
maine
redding/niese
speaking of templates, are you going to change the shea stadium at the top?
Peavy.
He is 27 and an ace.
Maine, Murphy, Niese and any prospect not named FMart.
Santana (ace)
Peavy (ace)
Pelfrey (3)
Redding (5)
Fill in the hole with any serviceable pitcher, perhaps Pedro on a low guaranty, high incentive contact.
If we do not sign Ollie, we still get draft picks.
Make it happen!
Peavy would be a great addition. but it’s not gonna happen. If we trade Maine, Murphy, and Niese, that leaves us with very little flexibility. We would lose a lot of needed depth from our rotation and bench. Who knows if we’ll get anything out of Tatis or Pagan. Niese is our #6 starter right now (after we sign Ollie or Wolf) and everyone knows that a #6 or even #7 starting pitcher will be used at some point during the season. He also would be a starter if an injury occurred, same with Murphy. Maine could be sent, since it would be an upgrade at that point. I just don’t think we could trade thos ML-ready players like Murphy and Niese. It would have to be Maine, and some of younger higher ceiling guys, and that may not be enough.
Let me add though….that if all it took was Maine, Niese, and Murphy, I think I would make that trade, but the understanding must be that we would have to fill-in our ML-ready depth.
I am sorry, but that is kinda giving up alot. Maybe Murphy and Niese and prospects.
It would take FMart.
point is, its not gonna happen.
Why would we trade serviceable young players when we wouldn’t even use money alone to sign Lowe.
And we’ll all just forget the fact that Peavey has a no-trade clause and has stated that he doesnt want to pitch in NY.
i think everyone is overreacting….
last year our rotation was
johan, pelf, ollie, maine, pedro
maine and pedro both went down and we had many games by knight/niese/figeroa etc.
with that rotation we had 89 wins…1 short of the playoffs
also, pelf was horrible in the first half of the season
if our rotation is
johan, pelf, oliver, maine, redding
with a full year of healthy maine, dominant pelfrey and healthy redding/niese then i really think we can make up that 1 game we needed….also put into consideration the bullpen last year and this year and how much of a difference there should be.
I agree 100% with every word here Phuk.
KRod, Putz, and a healthy Maine can make our staff excellent.
What makes you think a) Only 1 more game this time around will be the difference, and b) that Maine and Pelfrey, neither who have put it together for a full year in their careers, will both do it this year?
The Mets rotation is average at best IF they sign Oliver Perez.
Well the fact is is that they re-vamped their bullpen so it wont come down to 1 extra win.
What’d they blow, like 30 games last season?
A Braves rotation featuring Lowe, Jurjjens, Vazquez, Kenshin, and Glavine is hardly formidable.
A Sheets and Garland deal would be sweet for the Mets.
Santana
Sheets
Pelf
Maine
Garland
With Redding and Niese available for spot starts and injuries.
Sheets and Ollie*, and then you have it!
what a rotation:
Johan
Sheets
Pelfrey
Ollie
Maine
too bad itll never happen
It’s January and I’m bored out here in St Louis.
Two trades and a couple of signings:
Trade 1: Delgado / Murphy / Schneider / Marte / Castillo and a wheelbarrow of cash to the Angels for Rodriguez / Napoli or Conger / Figgens (discussed below)
Trade 2: Maine / Holt / FMart / Flores / Church / Kunz to the Blue Jays for Haladay / Rios / Rolen (discussed below)
Sign Garland
Sign Petite if we trade Niese
Sign Dunn for LF
Sign Edmonds for b/u OF and platoon 1B with Rolen
Sign Durham as a PH and DH against leftys.
Sign I Rod as b/u catcher and mentor
Sign Cordero and / or Gagne (he had a good 2nd half)
Sign a 7th starter
Sheets will cost 16M for 2 years + a 2nd round pick for anwhere from a jaw dropping season to 3ip and a permanent spot on the DL. Omar does appears risk averse enough not to bite.
Ollie costs two picks and is erratic. Omar may like hom, but he also likes the picks. Maybe I’m placing too much emphasis on this for Ollie. But I believe the loss of a pick on Sheets is what is keeping people away.
This puts their salary at ~+25M from last year, but that includes 10.5M of Wagner and 5.5M of Castillo.
The Mets lose only their #1 pick for K Rod, but get a better position in its place. Plus they get a supplemental pick. This begins the rebuilding of their farm system.
Granted this decimates the farm, but this roster should be in place and quite competitive for 3-5 years and the core has little injury risk other than Rolen. Average core age = 28.75.
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A best case scenario would be:
C: Napoli
1B: Rolen / Edwards (OF also)
2B: Rodriguez
SS: Reyes
3B: Wright
LF: Dunn
CF: Beltran
RF: Rios
Bench = I Rod (C) / Durham (PH, 2B, LH DH) / Figgens (2B, 3B, SS, OF, LH DH) / Tatis (OF / 3B / 1B RH DH)
SP: Santana / Haladay / Garland / Pelfrey / Redding, then Niese when ready. You’re looking at 200+IP from 1-3 and 175+ from 4 and 5. None are injury prone.
RP: Feliciano, Reyes, Green, Sanchez, Putz, K Rod and Robertson until Niese is ready, then Redding.
Emergency: Colon or Garcia / Gagne and/or Cordero / Parnell / Robertson / with O’Dell and Wagner in September.
Robertson has some really good minor league numbers and would be the long reliever in blow-out specialist so would be servicable.
Redding and Colon / Garcia are the #6 and #7 starters.
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Offensively Beltran is the only starter over 30 (ignoring Rolen and Edwards who are a one year fix). C, 2B, SS, 3B are all 27 or under.
Haladay is the only one in the rotation that is over 30 (Redding is a fill in until Niese is ready). Garland is the #3 and is durable. Redding can spot Pelfrey and Niese to maintain their arm strength for the end of the season.
For 2010:
Evans in the ML for 2009. If he is ready in 2010 then he becomes 1B with Rolen on bench. If not then find either a 1B or LF (move Dunn to 1b).
Find a b/u catcher
Replace the other fill ins (Edwards, Durham, …).
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The Jays are going nowhere any time soon and Haladay walks after next year. Maine steps in this year and Holt in a few. Give them Niese instead if it finishes the deal. That would give them 2 starters this year under a rebuilding program.
Rolen has two years left at 11M/yr. View him largely as a salary dump on their part. He becomes our 1B this year giving Evans one more year to figure it out. A platoon of Rolen and Edwards at 1B can’t be any worse defensively than Delgado.
Rios is young and has a longer term contract so this may be stretching it, maybe alot. But Church is serviceable this year cheaply and FMart and Flores aide in rthe rebuilding. Their farm system is probably worse that ours so this may work. The timing of this coincides with the exodus from Tampa and the aging of the Red Sox and Yankees.
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The Angels are a good target for Delgado and Murphy:
Murphy: The Angels have a lot of power and need top of the order guys. They also will need an OF or two next year.
Delgado: Trombo is a year away and the Angels have no leftys in the order, let alone one with power. Plus Delgado does not clog Trombo’s path as would Dunn.
Schneider (see below)
Castillo + 15M of Castillo’s salary (see below)
for
Sean Rodriguez: they have Kendrick, Aybars, and Brandon Wood. He really has no place to go.
Paoli: Conger is at AA this year. Schneider adds a lefty bat and experience (albeit potentially bad). If LAA doesn’t go for it, then get Conger instead and live with Castro and I Rod for a year or two.
Figgens: Wood appears ready and Figgens gets 6M this year. Kendrick will play 145+g. In effect we have Figgens at 11M (adding the 5M from Castillo’s salary) and they have a 2B sub at 500k.
Figgens is real nice, but not necessary. If he isn’t included then payroll (ignoring Wagner) is +11M (=+9.5M - 1.5M for a Cora type).
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all i can say is wow
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You sir are clearly in need of an intervention.
I’m a single dad of a 16yo girl and take care of my elderly semi-disabled parents. I don;t get out much.
is ur daughter hot??
I applaud you on your creativity and am impressed by your blockbusterness (if that’s a word), but personally I’d be hesitant in a number of those players. Rolen and IRod in particular. Although I have been intrigued by Ray Durham as a bench guy (for the right price).
At this point, and after the “Moon Shot” I want to keep FMart. Everyone else in the system I have no qualms with dealing - especially for a guy like Halladay.
Entertaining thoughts through and through. Thanks for posting it.
Rolen is a salary dump to make the deal sweeter.
I like FMart, but Rios is proven and only 26.
So in other words, just revamp most of the team basically.
alot of discussion here includes:
1) the need for a new catcher.
2) uncertainity at 1B and the desire for a 2010+ solution
3) getting rid of Castillo at all costs
4) the need for a LF
5) uncertainity about Church in RF
6) the desire to get a better bench. I don’t see a lot of talk in keeping anyone on the bench other than Tatis, and even that is marginal.
7) A #2 starter that is not old, erratic, or injury prone.
8) another bullpen arm
9) a rehab project or two in the pen
10) a #7 starter.
Most postings that are non-pitching related discuss holes at C, 2B, LF, and the bench. That being said, how is this any different? It is just in one posting and I added 1B and RF, which are aslo discussed on a somewhat regular basis.
LOLOL WHAT DRUGS ARE YOU ON?! DONT GIVE THEM TO OMAR!!!
1. What need for a catcher? They have a very good defensive catcher that is good with pitchers.
Just because he doesn’t hit 30 HR’s a season that doesn’t mean he’s useless.
2. Uncertainty at 1B? Then why pick up the option on a guy that just hit 38 HR and drove in 115 RBI?
And as for beyond 2010-They have two viable options in Nick Evans and Daniel Murphy. God for bid they went for an option within the organization instead of a trade/free agent.
3. The only way, right now, that they are getting rid of Castillo is if they pay a chunk of his contract in a trade or just flat out release him. And I dont see any of that happening between now and June.
4.Yeah, they need a LF. With two 3B by trade platooning out there I would imagine Minaya is looking for one.
But then again this is Minaya im talking about. I would be very satisfied with a very good defensive player that can hit .270 and draw some walks. Maybe a hitter like how LoDuca hit in 06′.
5. If you are talking about his concussions, then yeah, there may be some uncertainty. But there doesnt seem to be any concern. Otherwise, whats the problem with him?
6. Minaya has some work to do in terms of the bench. They have Murphy/Tatis, Reed, Castillo, Anderson, Pagan and Evans.
Besides Pagan, if he’s healthy, and Reed, they dont have much flexibility. They will need that Easly/McEwing type player that can play the middle infield positions.
7. They have one. Mike Pelfry. Give the guy a chance. He showed some good poise in July and August but was a little shaky in September.
How else does a guy get a chance? You dont ALWAYS need to fill spots/positions through free agency.
8. Rodriguez-righty
Putz-righty
Feliciano-lefty
Green-righty
Sanchez-righty
Robertson-righty
Knight-righty
Yeah, they can use an extra arm. But it needs to be a lefty.
9. Fill the 4 and 5 spots before you dwell on the number 7 spot.
The problem with most of the posts here is that they want the BEST F.A. players at all costs. What ever happened to having good solid players that are brought up through the system?
Reyes, Wright and Pelfry. Thats all. No one else was brought through this system that plays a major part on this team. AND ITS SICKENING!
4 seasons ago Minaya and Wilpon promised to build this team and they have gone back on their word ever since. They have done so by buying players, ala the Yankees, and have blew up the farm system in the process.
I am getting sick and tired, as a fan, watching the Mets blow through their prospects in order to get a player here or a player there then putting themselves in a situation where if an injury arises (LF/Closer), they dont have anyone to fill the hole. Or they dont trust anyone for that matter (Neise,Parnell,Kunz).
It is time for the fans to show a little more patience with their team and let players pans out as expected.
Tim Dierkes just said in his chat hes starting to finally hear “chatter” about Sheets to the Mets and said it would be a good fit. You gotta love it for a 1/2 year deal max
I just hope its Sheets AND Ollie and not Sheets OR Ollie because I dont think you can gamble the #2 spot in the rotation on a guy like Sheets, it would be the same thing we did last year with Pedro.
sheets/ollie, would make me completely satisfied with his offseason
agreed, I am pessimistic though. Havent been until the last couple of days but Im starting to think its not posturing by Omar and there is some serious penny-pinching going on here
I really thought Omar was trying to play Boras. And I’m sure they were given the chance to at least match the Braves offer and obviously they pas-sed. But I thought he was going to go 4 years and 15 mil a pop. If he was only willing to guarantee 3 years, then ok, but if the money was a factor, I’d be very surprised and disappointed.
That said, its gonna take 4 years to sign Ollie. Just like with Lowe, you make a low-ball 3 year offer, other teams will enter the discussion. and the serious teams will be forced to go 4 years.
I’ll second that. I think this team will have to win primarily on pitching next year, since they seem hellbent on not exploring any offensive upgrades.
That is very comforting news. If we can sign Sheets and Ollie, we have (argueably) the best entire pitching staff in the NL - if not MLB.
Starting Rotation:
Johan
Sheets
Ollie
Pelfrey
Maine
Bullpen:
KRod
Putz
Green
Feliciano
Sanchez
Stokes
Redding
AAA/Trade Bait:
Neise
Parnell
Kunz
The only thing stopping that pitching staff from the postseason is health.
no doubt about that. If Sheets stays healthy he is twice the pitcher Lowe is, that is one dominant and balanced rotation
I don’t think you’d need Sheets in the postseason, you’d just need him to get you there. Johan, Maine and Pelfrey are a strong 1-2-3 in the postseason format. I’m not saying I wouldn’t love to see him pitch in October, but I doubt you could expect it.
we can’t expect to play in October either. But I agree, a partial season of Sheets at least would go a long way to helping us get there. Even if he misses games here and there, when he is on the mound, he is a very good pitcher(at times, dominant). That’s why you would sign him AND ollie. but that would make too much sense.
How do you figure a guy that has never won more than 13 games, has a higher ERA cumulatively over the last four years and has never pitched in critical games is twice the pitcher that Lowe is? Just because Lowe doesn’t have electric stuff doesn’t mean he’s mediocre…the man keeps his team in games, is a reliable 200 inning pitcher, and plays well under pressure. There aren’t too many guys in the game who you can say that about.
I’m not saying Sheets is not a good pitcher when he’s healthy (which unfortunately is not too often), but let’s not get crazy…
You are right I should have said that differently. He has better stuff than Lowe and is a better pitcher when healthy.
Lowe is obviously more durable, but injuries aside, I take Sheets. I think youd agree that Lowe is a solid #3 starter but that is it, #2 on some teams, no better, no worse, Sheets has ace potential but has never won more than 13 games because of injury
Sheets has a son named Seaver — maybe he’s destined to be a Met.
It could be that teams see Sheets as a guy who doesn’t always want the ball. I’ve mentioned this in other threads, but the Mets saw him take himself out of a game in September after 5 strong innings, a game the Mets went on to win.
His next start he took the mound and pitched a shutout. If there was ever an explanation for his previous short start, I never saw it. And I looked.
it could easily be injury because he went down for the season after that shutout you mentioned. I remember hearing (mainly through fantasy news) that he had discomfort in his shoulder or arm (whatever it was) for a few games during that time. And I remember reading that that pain came and went. So its very realistic that the injury was unbearable that 9/5 game against us, and then, maybe after a shot, it was fine the following week. The point is, his injury was soon revealed anyways.
McDonald is a hack
So Omar is trying to learn from his mistake with the Lowe negotiation. He didn’t offer Lowe a contract and this lead to another team blindsiding him and ultimately getting Lowe.
But this is what I don’t understand.. He offers 30mil for 3 years. Completely low balling Perez. Thats half of what Lowe got and Omar knows this will follow with Boras seeking out more teams and a counter offer.
But if you were Perez. Why would you sign 3 year deal if you were getting low balled and the markets down 30%. I guess Boras has to figure out if the economy is only going to get worse and Perez will not get a better offer after next season.
If I was Perez and Boras, and I thought I was going to come into my own and have a better season than last year. I would test the market.. If someone blows me away with a 4 year 50 mil offer, then great or I would except a 1 year deal at 15 a year. Thats still half what the Mets offer was and it was only for one season. Then I go to back into the free agent market and see if I can do better next year.
So offering this to Perez is really just an insult. 3 years 30 mil. (or thats how Boras and Perez will see it.) All Boras has to do now is find one more team to start an all out bidding war with the Mets for Perez. Wouldn’t the Mets have been better off just saying “3 for 40 take it or leave it” That way they don’t spend the next three weeks in a bidding war and can move on to other free agents?
Yes because Boras always takes the first offer.
did you even read the entire post? What I’m saying is that Omar knows that Boras is going to start a bidding war. Why would Omar want to get involved in this? Just give Perez your top offer and say take it or leave it.
Scott Boris and his ilk are one of the main reasons baseball has developed into a culture of greed.
Considering where this deal went, 4/60, I’m glad we didn’t match that offer. Not with this market.
Are people really upset over this.
Last I checked Derek Lowe is human and a 35 y/o old pitcher. He has no upside for the future for a FOUR year deal! He can only decline from what he has been doing.
I felt this way b4 the Braves got him. I was kinda blah over getting Lowe.
The one thing I liked about him was that he could tutor Pelfrey as a fellow sinkerballer.
Sign Ollie and for Godsake with this market get another #5 pitcher. Make Redding the long man and an insurance plan. I like the low key signing, low risk, high reward.
Maybe thats what Omar is doing with Redding, Maybe thats why we got him. SO he can sign a health risk like a sheets or a pedro and have a backup. that would be great
aw
i wish brad bortone had made fun of my username :’(
So hear me out on this…
Omar wasted a 3 weeks with this Lowe situation, Right? Now he’s making a low ball offer to Perez that will only result in a bidding war. ( More time wasted). The end result will be Boras and Perez getting frustrated and signing a 1 year deal or signing a big contract with a team not named the Mets.
So I’m starting to think Omar is using Boras. He might be playing the Mets fans and the media.
Think about this..
Omar just stated he is only worrying about pitching right now. A month until pitchers and catchers and he’s only worrying about pitching? Come on… This would be the first time in the history of free agency that a GM would be a month out and “only worrying about pitching”.
So I’m starting to come to a conclusion that Omar is just wasting as much time as possible because he doesn’t want to spend any money and want the Mets fans to put there anger at Boras. If Omar ends up signing Wolf two weeks before spring training.. We will know Omar has played us.
And most of you will be happily lapping it up. with comments like Perez and Lowe and Sheets weren’t worth the money.. Boras is the devil.. and so on. And you will let Omar off the hook, cause you will think he was actually serious about signing these guys when in reality he was just playing us all along. The Wilpons don’t want to spend any more money than they already have.
What your watching is a dog and pony show to convince you otherwise. Now if Omar does end up aggressively going after Perez or Sheets and gets one of them,.. Then I am wrong. But you should be aware of the possibility that something is “Rotten” in the big apple.
Please dont think your a danger to yourself and annoying to others when you do.
Yes this is all a master plan so Omar can only sign Wolf and have no one upset.
Brilliant, Brilliant
I may be wrong. So wrong.. but we don’t want to hear excuses, we need another quality starter and a LF
I think you might be right .The Coupons got there stadium so to them that was there big off season move to go with K-Rod
ben sheets has averaged 27 starts a year throughout his entire career with a 3.7 era
if you only count the last 4 seasons where he has become “injury prone” hes averaged 23.5 starts a year and a 3.55 era
he averages 6.46 innings per start (slightly more then one out into the 7th) and had 5 complete games last season!!!
and he doesnt turn 30 till the all star break
SIGN BEN SHEETS
sorry i miscalculated over the past 4 seasons his era has been 3.45
I like the sheets idea, regardless of what else they do.
If the medical report is worrisome, just do a smoltz type deal. Less guaranteed oney, but higher incentives.
5 mill base, and another million for every start over 20 (up to 10 total).
So if he makes 30 starts, he gets 15 million, and the mets get the top of the rotatin guy they need.
make a 2nd year vest for 15 at a certain number of starts or IP.
Would a perfect end to the offseason be signing Sheets AND Ollie, then signing Dunn to play left this year and first base next year, while signing Chad Cordero or Dennys Reyes (or both) for the pen?
YES
Though it may be unlikely, it seems like it could be possible to make it happen. Doesn’t seem like there is much interest in Dunn, Ollie or Sheets, only Reyes and Cordero seem to be drawing interest.
id be thrilled with sheets and ollie, which i feel is very realistic…
ive always liked dunn..you know exactly what your getting offensively and if hes behind wright delgado an beltran then that is an amazing lineup…hes also better defensively then he gets credit for and has a very solid arm…if they can do all that, yea it would be amazing, but i don’t see it happening
Seems to make too much sense to happen. Benefits us way too much.
a lot of people are concerned that omar has focused on pitching. but nothing significant has happened on the offensive player front so its not like he’s missing anything
get sheets regardless.
If the medical report is worrisome, just do a smoltz type deal. Less guaranteed oney, but higher incentives.
5 mill base, and another million for every start over 20 (up to 10 total).
So if he makes 30 starts, he gets 15 million, and the mets get the top of the rotatin guy they need.
make a 2nd year vest for 15 at a certain number of starts or IP.
thank you stickguy…i even think they can get him for less then that but 15mil if he starts 30 games is WAY better then having to pay lowe 15 mil no matter what till hes 39
losing out on Lowe does blow but not the end of the world……..actually 4 yrs at that much reminds me of a Martinez type deal and I understand the Mets want to shy away from that.
Lowe is reliable but he will eventually break down with all of those innings
So Perez again eh?…….I hope so given the options and hope it’s for cheap
not the end of the world signing Wolf or Sheets. I think Redding is the 5th for sure with Niese at AAA and Parnell too
so likely pretty much the same rotation which was pretty good overall. The Pen was the problem
Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Redding
So would you be alright with Wolf and Redding in our rotation and Perez, Lowe, Sheets going to our competition?
whos saying that? i dont want wolf at all, id almost rather pedro then wolf….
i want sheets and ollie, with redding as a long reliever/6th starter incase of injure
ive been saying this well before the braves overpayed for lowe an giving the man 15mil when hes 39 is overpaying.
I was talking to Vic79
oh sry… i just get upset when people compare randy wolf to sheets or even ollie…wolf has been mediocre in the nl west which has no offense, and may have had more injuries then sheets…i liked redding better then wolf, but thats just my personal opinion and i think that others disagree with it.
Matt - why the snide, unprofessional comment about another blogger’s website template? Having a bad day?
Thanks
I don’t think Matt was being facetious, I think he was being sincere.
matt werars his heart on his sleeve and bleeds mets orange and blue
We need Perez and Sheets unless we’re swinging for a big bat in LF. Perez is a must at this point…Sheets makes us very strong when he’s healthy.
Who is this Brad Bortone anyway?
‘Right now the Phillies are the gold standard’ ???
Sorry, I see the Phillies having as many question marks as we do. Other than Cole Hamels, their rotation is one big ?
Utley starts the year on the DL
Feliz had back surgery
Is Ibanez going to be that much of an upgrade over Burel?
How about Victorino and Worth?
And does anyone really think their closer is going to be perfect again?
Only time is gonna tell….
Really man. From where I’m standing the Phillies dominate the mets position by position
Howard is better the Delgado
Utley is better than Castillo
Rollins and Reyes are a wash
Wright is much better than Feliz
Werth is better than Church
Beltran is better than Victorino
Ibanez is much better than Tatis
Their Rotation of Hamels, Moyer, Myers, Blanton is just as solid if not better than ours. Even with Perez.
Howard was about a wash with Delgado last year in overall value. I would add that Beltran is much better than Victorino, but you’re right about most of these things. We don’t look as good as them even with Perez.
Really? 46 year old Moyer and Myers who had an awful first half?
And I didn’t say we were better. I said they had as many question marks as we did and would not, by any means, consider them ‘the gold standard’…..
i used to scoff at moyer also decades — but give him credit he is solid
The Phillies look pretty solid. Their rotation isn’t bad at all. Moyer and Myers will come up solid for them. Utley on the DL is serious, but they always start slow anyway. Feliz isn’t a major cog, Ibanez is about a bust with Burrell I would think. Werth is getting really good. I wish we had him in one of our corners. Lidge won’t be perfect again, but he’s probably the best closer in the NL at this point. I don’t think they’re the GOLD standard, but they should certainly be the NL East favorites at this point.
well saber the phils make me nervous - and like i said to my friends in 06 “i feel the braves are in it until theyre not in it ” this goes for the 09 philths too
MetsFan4Decades -
I’m just a blogger like all the rest. My comment about the Phils being the “gold standard” had less to do with the state of their current/future team (Utley IS out for some time…) as it did with the fact that they had less significant holes to fill.
This division could go a lot of ways, but until the Mets shore up gaps in the field as well as in the rotation, I can’t in good faith call them favorites. Likewise, the Braves aren’t done fixing their issues either.
I read that there is better that a 50% chance that Utley will be ready on opening day.
guys got this off of mlbtr
Henry Schulman describes the divide between the Giants’ limit and Scott Boras’ request for Manny Ramirez: Boras wants four years with a fifth-year vesting option, while the Giants probably won’t exceed two years.
Manny is Boras’ last great project of the offseason. If he can somehow play the Giants and Dodgers off each other, maybe he gets that third guaranteed year.
ne 1 think that we can convince fred and jeff to pony up for for 3 years and have a vesting option for a fourth?
no
short and to the point j.r - i like that
dude were not even going to get Perez! If they aren’t going to pay for Perez,, there is no way they are paying for Manny
i find your lack of faith in the force disturbing darth
lol,,, Yesterday I was resigned to the fact that no team would go above last season payroll.. Now both Atlanta and the Cubs have.
and whatr we will be under last years apyroll?? largest payroll dont mean diddly squat darth
btw happy b-day kevin mitchell and to add to my ongoin series of in this day of mets infamy
New York Mets traded Mike Davis to the Boston Red Sox for Mike Torrez on January 13, 1983.
not that davis was anything - BUT MIKE TORREZ!!! he made pete falcone look like a ace
He did ruin Dickie Thon’s career while he was with the Mets, though.
Sheets + Ollie = Much better than Lowe alone
That would be so awesome.
I don’t see Sheets inability to make every start a problem. Give him time off and let Redding fill in if necessary. The starts Sheets does make will be good solid ones.
They are also concerned with Pelfrey’s workload. And Maine’s health. So Redding will likely be used a lot even if they sign 2 more starters. Plenty of work to go around.
agree whole heartedly vcarver - but we have a better chance of kevin kobel coming outta retirement and pitching a perfect game than to see the f.o dsigning both ollie & sheets
V, Honestly,, do you really believe they are going to spend the necessary money to get Perez.. 12 to 15 a year.? If they aren’t spending that on Lowe, they aren’t spending that on Perez.
carver is the eternal optimist on this blog darth
LOL, do you know just about a year ago and for a long time I was the favorite target of the pollyanna patrol?
If Ollie costs 12-15, then no, I don’t believe they will spend to get Sheets also.
But if they can hold the line on Ollie at around 10, then get Sheets for about another 10, then spending $5 mill more than what you might have paid for Lowe alone is a great bargain and something I think the Wilpons would go for.
am i the only one herethat is afraid that boras has our collective azzes over a barrel when negotiating for ollie’s services heats up?
no we all are thats why i am hoping they make a quick incentive laden offer to sheets to try an get some leverage…plus nobody else seems to be that high on perez
same was said about lowe - and lowe and behold the egg in shoe braves came through
yea…i guess im not too bitter about lowe b/c i didn’t want him past 2 years and knew that was not happening…if the mets do get screwed then ill be more upset..but im trying to be optimistic
samehere jr
all manny wants is 3 years. give him 2 with a vesting option based on incentives! omar knows it’s right…even MATT knows it’s right to get manny…..especially now that lowe is buh bye
call citi feild and talk to fred and jeff personally nost … then they will tell u where to shove off too lol :P
Boras has the Mets right where he wants them …backed into a corner.
If Lowe got 4/60, Ollie’s price just went up and will not accept anything less them 4 years.
My guess 4/ 52
agreed
Oliver Perez has won 15 games once, 12 games once, and 10 games once.
If that merits him 4/52, I’ll take the draft picks. Any team that gives him 4/52 in this market is insane.
Dempster got 4/52….so will Ollie
I want to say it will end up being more like 4/54-4/56 because he knows they are backed into a corner…
I wouldn’t go that high on Ollie…Just sign Sheets and Wolf, and perhaps you have enough money to upgrade the leftfield situation or add another reliever. A rotation of Santana, Sheets, Pelfrey, Maine and Wolf with Redding as the long-man/spot starter, and I think you’ve actually improved the pitching situation without breaking the bank…..
Forget Sheets
The Wilpons aren’t going to give 2/ 22 for a pitcher who has MAJOR elbow problems.
They REALLY need Ollie now or this offseason is a BUST
Well, Sheets wouldn’t necessarily have to get 2/22 if there are injury concerns. Plus if for some