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According to El Universal, Fernando Martinez has 
been let go from Leones del Caracas of the Venezuelan Winter League.
“Martinez is a great player,” Leones President Luis Avila told the newspaper, “but unfortunately he couldn’t hit as we hoped. We informed him of our decision yesterday and he took it in a very professional way.”
Martinez was replaced on the roster by Armando Rios.
…thanks, as always, to Andres M for the link and translation…
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Uh…..what?
Obviously this news is less then stellar. Of course at the same time, the kid has not taken a breather from playing ball at all this year, aside from a mid-season injury. He went from Bingo to Winter Leagues to this playoff run. I think its a question of him just running out of gas. Rest him up, and be ready for ST.
Overhyped.
let go as in laid off?
i think its time to trade this guy.
Huh? His value will never be lower…
He’s not ready…not necesarily overhyped…because everyone has been down on him…especially lately
That’s still a bit unnerving !
can you imagine the song and dance im going to have to do to return my Leones del Caracas jersey without a gift receipt……. god damnit!
funny stuff, but please don’t use the Lord’s name in vain..ty….
SIGN MANNY!!
was that serious?
Haha wow, I hope not (to the second poster).
yes sir it was…profanity doesn’t bother me one bit…you can spew filth from the bowels of unfathomable putrescence for all I care, but the only thing I’d like people to be mindful of is blasphemy…and I thank those that opt to respect the request…
“and i thankfully decline….. i, nor anyone else, should have to be held to your warped standard of blog board ettiquite..” JOHN 3:16
that’s your prerogative bro….
ilKherubmagnifico, if you are serious, thats anyone’s choice…
profanity is one thing, and typically its not allowed here, sometimes people say it in ways to get past the censors, but things like that, you need to just understand that each person thinks for themselves
GOD DAMNIT!
jerkwad…
LOL, stop guys.. question ILKERUBMAGINIFICO?
WERE you fromely known as ILKHERUBCONAMOR??
Have some respect for ilKherubmagnifico’s beliefs, god damnit!
oh i respect his beleifs…. just dont tell me what i can and cannot say because you might be offended…. then he attacks me calling me a jerkwad…. i never said anythign derogatory towards him…
I know. I was kidding. Read what I wrote again.
JESUS CHRIST get a grip dude. Skitsoooo
No Alex, I can honestly say I never posted here under the handle – ilkherubconamor…..however, should I resemble some great or even Magnifico poster of yester-yore that may have been banned, I’m sure it’s purely a coincidence…as coming back under a different handle I’m sure would be frowned upon by any site arbiters….
SIGN MANNY!!! ; )
oh i understood, and got the joke… i just can’t stomach self-righeous pompous fools trying to push their agenda on others… and i am a god fearing man…. but dont tell me what to say because you don’t like it…. that is YOUR prerogative BRO.
lol, “self-righteous; pompous”…….re-read what I initially typed to you…I made a humble, polite request…you emphatically, and in my observation somewhat rampageously denied it…all I said after that was that it was your prerogative…brother.
ok kherub, and saul and kherub while i agree u wit both of u, let’s just all get along.. as fans of this blog we should be entertain not come in here to start arguments.. LET’S GO METS!!
“but the only thing I’d like people to be mindful of is blasphemy…”
keep it in sunday school…. not here
for those who need salvation, i hope they heed your warning…
for some there is no such thing as being blasphemous….
and for the rest… they just don’t give a hoot..
but evveryone would agree… just pull up your skirt, and act like a man…
“funny stuff, but please don’t use the Lord’s name in vain..ty….”
^ that’s what I typed to you initially that sent you into a tizzy….what you quoted was directed towards a different poster under the premise of answering a totally different question to the one at hand.
I wasn’t warning anyone, I merely asked you to be mindful of someone other than yourself. Since this does seem like a topic you wish to broach…There is such a thing as blasphemy for everyone…whether or not they chose to acknowledge it is at their behest, but that doesn’t exempt them from truth…which is a constant….
As far as acting like a man; I believe I am. I’m standing up for what I believe to be right…with backbone and confidence. Furthermore, I believe I’m doing so better than just with a mere man’s fortitude….I’m doing it with a gentleman’s praxis.
Praxis…I think this is the first time in my metsblog history I had to look a word up. cool, I learned something!
its a free country and you can saw whatever you want to say whether its blasphamy or not just as you chose to excercise your beliefs, there are people that are athiest and the word god is blasphemy to them…think about
Oh, so I guess you already knew the Mets need to SIGN MANNY!!? : )
thats what i thought clown
metspro…look up the definition of blasphemy, and you’ll see how ridiculous your statement of the word God could ever be blasphemous under any circumstance….
What did you think? ….and just how loosely are you using the word think?
so in what instance are you right???? just wondering???
oh and you can Derelict my ba lls
as loosely as you think that you’re right and the non-believers are wrong…. that how loose….
lol, whether I believe I’m right in believing in God isn’t the context of who’d be right in this instance.
However, I suggest you seek the counsel of Blaise Pascal….
This is far from the time to trade him.
Right now, his value has just dipped. Let’s see how things go in ST and how he does in the minors this year.
Uh………. That’s not good.
Armando Rios.
Has not played MLB since 2003 and had a .212, .245 BA and OBP that season. Has not played in the minors since 2004.
Perhaps its a different Armando Rios.
VERY funny, Saul…
Great, and he is supposed to be our future left fielder!!!!
So if he can’t hit good enough to be on the team, then how is he a “great player”?
LMAO, iwonder the same thing… i thought i misread that part!!! was that stupid statement or what!!
trade him after rehabbing from injury and being let go by a winter league team?…that would be the epitome of selling low on a prospect. We have to see what he does in the minors for the first half of the year and then consider it at the deadline.
Look, Fernando Martinez had a good, but not great year. He had an above-average winter ball campaign overall.
The talent is there. I still wonder how being rushed hurt his overall developed.
He still has the bat speed. The power is there. He has a great attitude – a very Carlos Beltran-esque demeanor.
That said, he’s still raw. His strike zone judgment need work. He’s not the five-tool talent that the Mets thought he’d be as his arm is just average and his baserunner speed is average as well. Plus, he needs to prove he can stay healthy.
That said, if he builds on his winter ball campaign at AAA this season I still think Fernando Martinez can be a .280, 25 homer guy eventually. His arm will probably push him to left, unless that’s the only place Daniel Murphy can play in which case he’d had to play right.
Eventually, I think you’ll see Murphy at 1st base and Martinez in left.
Having Wright, Reyes, Murphy and Martinez in a lineup that is homegrown will be nice to see.
And unless that is backed up by some real offense we will be seeing it stink.
You can’t have 1B and LF tied up both by .285 15 HR hitters.
So RF, LF, 1B would all be tied up with the same offensive player. So in total out of three players you would get about the HR’s that Delgado gave us last year.
Having .285, 15 homer guys does not bother me. I’d rather have high average, high on-base average guys than a guy like Adam Dunn who hits 40 homers but hits .240.
How in the hell has this guy been rushed?
agreed…hes being rushed how? and where exactly do you (mrmustseetv) know all of this about FM? Please explain
As a Binghamton resident, I have watched FM play here the last two years. Mrmustseetv’s observations of FM are dead on.
His arm is average, his speed is average. I don’t remember hearing FM being described as a 5 tool player, but if he was, I think it was overhype.
His hitting at this point is still in need of improvement. I agree that he needs to develop better pitch recognition and a better sense of the strike zone. He oftentimes swings at pitches way out of the strike zone and he still can’t hit a breaking ball.
Earlier this year, Nick Evans, Daniel Murphy and FMart were the “Big 3″ on the B-Mets team. I think for they were making headlines for a really good month that they had early on. They basically carried the team. However, when I watched the “Big 3″ play, Fmart was definitely the least developed of the three. Although FMart got the most cheers when he went up to bat, Evans and Murphy made him look like the little kid brother who was trying really, really hard, but never performed when it mattered.
I’m not saying that I’m down on the guy. I still think he’s got great potential and he still has that bat speed. He just needs more time.
Either that, or he just might never pan out.
Anyways, now is the worst time to trade (low). You have to hold on to him and see what happens.
I in no way think we should trade Martinez. He’s only 20. He’d barely be eligible for the draft next year if he were in collge. Think about that! He’s still young, but eventually you have to start producing. The old “he’s the youngest player in the league” excuse can only be made for so long.
I still think that if he refines his strike zone judgment (and again he’s only 20) that the power to all fields is there to make him a .280, 25 homer guy.
appreciate that post, Alban…good to hear stuff from someone who sees him often
As for how I know a lot about Martinez, well, I’m a minor-league observationlist (or draftnik). I’ve followed the minors since 1993.
As for Martinez, there are a lot of sources of information in print and on the web. I try to absorb as much as possible. Plus, I’ve seen him play on TV and once in person.
He’s been rushed because at his age he shouldn’t be playing at AA or AAA.
F-Mart had 4 hits with seven strikeouts in 25 AB’s. That’s a really small sample size. The team just went with a veteran hitter instead.
those playoff stats just made ARod jealous
lmao!!!!
Anyone know what his stats were?
4 hits in 25 at bats for a playoff team.. choke much!!!
To be fair here, those 25 AB’s don’t tell much at all. If he had 7 hits instead of 4, his average would have been .280 instead of .160. A couple breaks here and there.
I’m not one for ‘what ifs’, I’m just giving an example of why NOT to rush to judgement over 25 measily AB’s.
On the VWL though, everyone might be interested in seeing Edgardo Alfonzo (man, how long has it been since we heard that name?) is tearing up the league.
Maybe he could have been our Alex Cora!?!? :-)
First time posting here. I think everyone needs to relax on F-Mart. I read the article. I speak the language, and the article does not say he didn’t hit. It just says he didn’t “produce as they had hoped”. That could mean a million things, and as someone else pointed out, only 25 AB’s is not a good sample.
uh.. so if ur an offensive player and u DON’T produce what does that mean?? that u didn’t pitch well.. ??
I’m just saying that we don’t really know what went down over there. Everyone says the kid is awesome and all of a sudden he didn’t produce for some team in Venezuela ?. How do we know that it wasn’t something else like a personality issue ?. How do we know that someone didn’t do a favor to Armado Rios at the expense of the kid ?.
Two words:
Alex Escobar
LOL, optimism is not in anybody’s dictionary these days..
I’m not saying his fate will be the same, but the hype is comparative.
Are you people serious? This kid just tore up the DWL and is still 19 years old. Trade him??? Because he got released from a Venezuelan team in the postseason after playing baseball for almost a year straight? Man some people on here are insane
look, i was in DR for the last week of the regular season out here, he looked good, and i think he will be great, but as a mets fan i tell u, the mets organization OVERHYPED this kid sooo much that we made him into our next darryl strawberry, i’m sure he’s gonna be good, i really hope, but we need to bring it down a notch wit him.. and, he didn’t really tore up the DWL, tony batista did..
Are you a professional scout?
depends wha talent i have to scout??
Yes we both are and had rooms at the Holliday Inn Express last night. You got a problem with it?
Are any of us GM’s? This is a blog full of opinions.
My point was hsort and dry.. yours was full of irony!! GOOD ONE TRS!!
rooms or room? a little too much metsblog love going on IMO
lol!!
.314/.376/.542
Thats a .918 OPS, i think that can be considered tearing it up just after your 20th birthday.
The kid is developing, let him develop. Im not overhyping him, First off every team overhypes their prospects, secondly this kid is going to be awesome.
To say that he should be traded because he got cut from the Venezuelan league playoffs is mindless
I agree on the Murphy 1B Martinez LF point. However, this kid is starting to eerily remind me of Jay Payton. Supposed-5 tools, rushed a bit in the minors, then injury problems cause him to spend extra time in the minors. There are a lot of good players we could have gotten for him over the past few years. I like bringing up homegrown prospects, but it seems like this could end up being yet another example of why, when given the opportunity to get a proven player for prospects (ala Santana) its usually worth it.
I hope i’m wrong. I know the kid is only 20, but there had been talk about how he might be ready for the majors by mid-season. Doesn’t sound very likely…
and i should explain that i am not a proponent of trading him now. That would be pointless. I just can’t help but wonder if we should have traded him for a player that could have helped us in the last 2 years.
Agreed. IF he could have gotten us a Holliday, Bay, or a top pitcher we should have done it.
he is 20 years old and will be in AAA this year and possibly in the bigs, Holliday will be a free agent after this season, and maybe if we kept Jason Bay we wouldnt need another top prospect to get him. TRS arent you the one always talking about this not being fantasy baseball, a guy like this needs to be held onto, without question
Why, do you not think that Bay or Holliday could have made HUGE differences last year and in 2007?
You don’t hold on to ALL of your top prospects. They are chips in a poker game and should be used as such.
i didnt say to hold onto ALL of our prospects, I just said they need to hold onto THIS prospect.
How do you feel about Reyes and Wright? Would you like to see them playing for another team like Steve Phillips almost arranged? Thats how this you will eventually feel about this kid.
Yes Holliday or Bay might have helped us last year, but unless they can also pitch in relief the Mets were not have won it all anyway. We got pretty good production from Murphy and Tatis before he got hurt last year.
And we still would have gotten good production out of Tatis and Murphy in RF. Think about 2007 who played LF.
All I am saying is that for some reason too many people think this guy is destined to be great. Yes Reyes and Wright worked out and I am glad. Same with Pelfrey. But what makes Fmart as a #1-2 prospect in the system so untradeable? Because he is young? Because he has potential? All top prospects are young and have potential.
we just have a difference of opinion here…
Weve both seen his highlights, weve both seen his numbers and subsequent growth. I just think hes going to be a superstar and should not be traded unless it is for another superstar that is under team control
Oh my god….BRUTAL
our farm system bums me out. we put all our eggs in the f-mart basket and this is what happens (i know he’s not a bust yet, but the signs aren’t promising). are we still following the slots system every year? if so, when are the mets gonna get a clue?
We’re following the slot system (i.e. kissing Selig’s Bud) at least until its officially announced that CitiField gets an All-Star game.
all of our eggs in one basket would be not signing other players. Last I heard the team has made good Int’l signings.
A lot of you people are nuts. A little bit of negative news and everyone freaks out. RELAX.
Matt LaPorta is on the same team and is only batting .164 in 67AB. I guess the Indians should trade him while they still can because he is obviously worthless too.
Did he stay over Fmart?
are you really going to panic over 25 at bats?
Nope, just asking a question.
Look, I don’t think we can trade Fmart right now. We are stuck with him good or bad right now.
stuck? trl, sometimes I think someone has hijacked ur login
Stuck is not a good word?
Ok we are forced to keep him?
Like it or not we will keep him?
What word would you like?
Point is even if we wanted to trade him right now we could not because the return would be so low we could get nothing of value in return.
I like him and hope he does well. I have no idea what his value was before but it has to be lower now.
And I will still say that hindsight, which is a terrible thing, shows we MAY should have traded him for Holliday, Bay or another young game changer.
sure, for a game changer, of course.
but we already trade Millz and Gomez, trading F-Mart would’ve completely done away with our Blue Chip prospects.
And it’s very unlikely that it would’ve been F-Mart alone.
My point is, as a Met fan I’m glad we have a guy in the minors who has so much potential. I don’t feel stuck or forced to keep him because of whatever value he may or may not have. Sometimes you just have to hold onto them and hope they pan out.
If he can’t make the cut in Venezuela what makes anyone think he is MLB material. If this guy is overhyped by Omar and the Mets then fine. Trade him at some point for someone great. But, don’t wait too long like you didi with Lastings Milledge(way over hyped).
He isn’t overhyped. Scouts love him, as well as some of the more celebrated baseball minds, like Rob Neyer and Keith Law.
Sometimes, players get tired. F-Mart has been playing non-stop this year from Spring Training. First AA, then DWL, then for the VWL playoff team. This will give him a nice break.
Plus, how are people ready to write the kid off after 25 Ab’s? How did you deal with Wright’s April 2007?
rough…….he needs a good yr at AAA for sure
no one was counting on him this yr………mid season call up we all hope if he bounces back from injuries
Also Lastings Milledge is totally over hyped…………why do people not like the Church and Scneider pick up for him…………yea Schneider can’t hit but he is not a bad Catcher and Church was doing great
This team needs a Right Handed bat in the OF though to help balance things
I guess all the Chicken Littles are going to ignore his Winter Ball stats for his VWL. Relax guys.
since when are winter league stats and minor league results a guarantee on Major League Success?
For better or worse, until we see him in the pros it means nothing
Can’t trade him now. We have put too much stock in him. He has to do well this year in the minors. His value is not going to fall any lower no matter what he does. At this point we would get NOTHING useful for him.
And please stop it with the Fmart in LF and Murphy at 1B for 2010 comments. Seriously?
Even if they were both ready, that’s a terrible offense.
“And please stop it with the Fmart in LF and Murphy at 1B for 2010 comments. Seriously?
Even if they were both ready, that’s a terrible offense”
how can u tell that that is a terrible offensive???
u dont know what fmart is gunna do and murph as well.
Come on seriously?
Fmart would be a rookie and Murphy would be starting his 2nd full season MAYBE if he stays this year.
They both project to have 15-25 HR power TOPS. That is not good enough for 1B or LF. You can afford 1 of those guys in those positions but not both.
You can’t have Church, Fmart and Murphy tying up all your power positions. Now Fmart, Murphy and Manny? Different story.
Power is not all about home runs. Murphy may SLG plenty with gap power.
Anyway, with above average power at 3B, CF and SS, two positions that don’t traditionally provide power, the can possibly afford fewer home runs in other positions.
But not all 3.
I understand that power is not all in HR’s. But those guys just won’t cut it as middle of the order hitters yet and most likely ever.
They are 2, 6-8 hitters. You have to replace Delgado your #4 hitter.
Realistically, we don’t know what we’d get out of FMart/Murph offensively.
And FMart will be ready by 2010. In fact, I’d be surprised to not see him in NY in 2009.
Remember last season, Tony Bernazard said FMart would have been called up (when Church went down) if he wasn’t injured himself. So the organization obviously sees him as close to ready now.
So the guys done NOTHING in the minors and gets cut from this team, yet he will be called up this season and ready in 2010?
Right.
You’re making WAY too big a deal about him getting cut from the VWL.
Again, Bernazard said he was ready to come up last year.
Bernazrd.
A guy who knows much more about this kid than either you or I. No offense, and you seem like a pretty intelligent guy, but I’ll take his evaluation of Martinez’ status way before anybody’s on here.
And a .287 avg. in AA last year is not bad at all when you consider that he was playing with guys 2 + years older than himself.
You are right, it’s not bad. But still it’s nothing. And I am not puting too much stock in getting cut. I am saying that it decreases his value.
How can you, however, put any stock in anything Bernazrd says? The guy is known for what breaking up clubhouses? You don’t think that Omar or Bernazrd is going to come out and say that the teams #1 prospect is average at best and needs to prove a lot. That would be team suicide.
Why not pay attention to national scouts who have his value dropping like a rock?
EVERYONE RELAX!!!! HE IS 19/20 YEARS OLD!!!!
also, he was the youngest of like 75 players on the roster.
LOL!! HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!
I agree with those who think we need to continue to be patient, but this isn’t the best news we could have heard. Furthermore, instead of going to spring training and working to make the team, FMart is considering playing in the WBC – not a smart move if you ask me.
we should trade this guy at his highest value
same with murphy
not wait until we find out they are a couple of busts like milledge and all we get is a schneider…
trade these 2 for some real proven guys.
We traded kazmir too.. while we at it reyes and wright are 25 too.. get them out.. bring back alou, el duque, pedro, omar visquel and for third briing robin ventura..
SIGN MANNY!! This gives the kid 2-3 years to develop. I think F-Mart will be solid with some development.
I was at the Futures Game this past season and saw his swing in person..he takes a nice, compact, level cut. He “flashes” the bat out there ala A-Rod and Pujols (not saying he is or ever will be as good as those two).
I say give him time to develop his approach at the plate and we should have a solid hitter on our hands.
if we sign manny no one in here won’t mind if he’s batting 100 in the minors..
Except those guys who want Murphy in Left, Fmart in Right and Evans at 1B. In other words, the fans of our AAA team.
yeah, honestly, unless we have chase utley 2b and alex rodriguez at catcher..
I really don’t get this obsession with our prospects. I get that you like following them to the bigs but this is a buisness. You have to put the best team on the field. Until they reach the bigs all they are are chips in a poker game.
trs:
if we sign manny we won’t even remember this guy 2 years from now, but i understand the obsession, we want a guy like f-mart to come and rip at a early age ala strawberry
Yeah. except poker chips are of defined value. A $5 chip will be $5 when you cash out. Some people play conservative and wait until the hands they are dealt show some power and then make a move. Others chose to push early hoping to leverage their chips before they’ve built any kind of stack. Metaphors aside, I think TRS should explain his apparent disdain for any organic growth in the organization rather than forcing others to explain why they like prospects. Steroids and greenies are gone, but the season is still 162games plus postseason. Its a game skewing towards younger players and in terms of compenation its more cost effective than pursuing proven veterans.
Danny I don’t have a problem with letting players develop. But you also have to understand that IF a player has enough trade value to bring back a proven star you are gambling when you do.
25 AB’s means nothing. I am sure Minaya understands this is just a momentary blip that is more a PR problem that a prospect problem. I remember seeing Martinez bat in ST and he has a quick bat and a presence about him—it’s easy to see why he’s been touted. I hope to see FMart in right field when Church is eligible for arbitration or free agency…then slide him over to center when Carlos B’s contract ends. (Jay Payton is still playing in the majors, by the way, and he was on the last Mets team to go to the World Series and played a role).
It’s a good thing we all have a handy nickname for a prospect who’s not even capable of the Venezuelan Winter League.
I definitely agree with anyone who wants to sign Manny to a 2-3 year deal. Give Martinez time to develop. how can people not agree with this? name one clutch hitter in the mets lineup. and dont give me david wright either. love the guy but he’s not clutch.
If not Manny, then another guy. Maybe Abreu to a 2 year deal.
Agreed. Counting on both Fmart AND Murphy to work out is just insane. I hope they both do and they both could. The chances, however based on history, the chances are better that they both flop or 1 good and 1 bad than to have both be league average or better.
more good news…
Some people are putting too much stock in 25 AB. David Wright has slumped for longer stretches. He was cut because this is the playoffs for Caracas and they have no patience.
Gosh, I wish this team would atleast get a bat. Manny is out there…Make an attempt….PLEASE.
We can not have another September. This current team ( Hitters) is basically the same as last year.
Sooooo……
F-Mart for Peavy?
would love that move! how many other pitchers have ERA’s of less than 3.00 nowadays? on the other hand, the fact that other teams have’t make a move for peavy is a bit suspicious.
Sign Armando Rios!
You guys are awful.
Martinez hit 314/376/542 in 153 ab’s for the Leones del Caracas.
He was called up to this playoff team and didn’t do well in 25 AB? Big deal.
And per my buddy who has close ties with Heyman, Martinez made some comments and the VZ media spun them and made them much worse than they actually were. THAT is why he got taken off the team.
I really think it has to be that the Mets don’t want Manny. You could make room for him if you wanted to and still get your SP. You could trade for a SP and sign a reclamtion project for depth.
Seriously, trade for Sanchez and sign Pedro and Manny. That’s all you would have to do.
Give Manny less salary this year and then add Wagner’s salary in next year. It’s easy.
Johan, Pelfrey, Sanchez, Maine, Pedro, Redding, Niese
Reyes, Murphy, Wright, Manny, Delgado, Beltran, Church, Schnieder is an incredible lineup.
It’s worth the risk.
if the mets resign pedro, i dont think i could handle it. he is 100% done. dont get me wrong, i love pedro as much as anyone. brings so much energy to the team. but he can’t pitch anymore. and thats a fact.
Pedro is just an example, you could slot Garcia, Colon, Odaliz Perez or any other low cost SP.
right…i agree with you. i think going in with the SP’s they have is “good”. i think getting redding was a smart in that it will at least push neise a little more to perform. the key to the team right now is manny. man o man i feel so strongly about that. would change the entire dynamic of the lineup. who cares if he’s a space cadet? its NY for crying out loud.
Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Delgado, Manny, Beltran, Church, Schneider.
swap castillo and church and you’re onto something.
we are not getting manny but Delgado and beltran would have to be flipped, no way ya have Beltran hitting 6th
You’re on the right track.If you think about it
and we gave Manny 3yrs@25Mil per.
Next year w/both Wagner&Delgado coming
off the books,his salary would be covered for
2010.So you’d have this yr,which shouldn’t be
a problem what w/the new stadium an all
and you only have 2011 too worry about.
If Manny helps us to to a title this yr and/or
next that would pay for itself.
GOD DAMMIT! JESUS F’IN CHRIST! HOLY SHIZ!
Now that right there should get you banned my friend. Totally pointless.
interesting how THAT didnt go ito moderation, but otherwise harmless posts DO sometimes.
Can you really get banned from this blog?
I love the statement by the teams president
that FMart is “A great player”. GREAT? Sooo,
That would make Armando Rios What??
Super-Great?-Like I posted here many times
the last two seasons, I’ve seen this kid,in person,playing for Bingo And while he is just
a kid,during the 20 or so games I witnessed,
He has never given any indication that he was
even one of the best 3or4 players on the field.
Also,He’s never displayed any unique skill
which would lead one to think he’s a “can’t–
Miss”type ballplayer.Further,It’s been alarming that he can’t stay on the field b/c
of a bunch of minor injuries.
this fmart news is all the MORE reason to sign manny.
Can we get ANY good News!!
What’s next Castillo is voted captian
What the heck tully, you just got Cora.
What else do you want?
Mets got to bump this rotation. I’m fine with not taking Lowe at 4/60. I’d like Ollie Perez back, but only if they move Tim Redding to the pen as the long man and not the # 5 in the rotation. Redding will be an insurance plan if Omar wants to take a risk and sign and injury prone Sheets or Pedro, I hope that’s his angle. Or he can pick up a John Garland. The rotation would have excellent depth and hopefully Pelfrey continues his path to becoming a Jedi, I mean an Ace.
Fernando needs to go to the Alex Ochoa “School of 5 Tools”
I dunno, guys, I’ve always thought that a prospect who’s supposed to be as big-time as F-Mart should have a better time in the minors than he’s had.
F-Mart’s career minor-league numbers (age 17-19): .280/.337/.427.
Just to compare:
Reyes (17-20): .285/.338/.423
These are VERY similar numbers. But then we think: Oh yeah, but Jose Reyes is FAST, and if he wasn’t fast he would just be an okay hitter.
The best hope is that he develops like Beltran, who had mediocre minor league numbers until his age 21 season. But again — Beltran is fast.
People like to compare F-Mart to Juan Gonzalez, but Juan-Gone hit 21 homers at age 19 in AA ball.
F-Mart’s absolute upside, in my view — and no, I’m not a professional talent evaluator — is like a Beltran with less speed — a .280 hitter who maybe hits home runs in streaks, but generally about 25, with a couple years where he really goes off and hits 30-some. This is a very good player, but it’s also very optimistic. On the downside, he could be the next Alex Ochoa. Or Alex Escobar. Or Jay Payton.
To back up your point andrew,look at how
Gregg Jefferies tore-up AA @18 years old.
The problem is unless he’s going to play all world defense that might not be good enough for left field. Especially if the front office is still fixated on having Murphy at 1b.
AGreed, Gina. That is why I think we had to either get Tex or Manny. Otherwise we are going to have to make a trade next year. At this point Delgado will be our best option for 1B in 2010.
Also I would say the problem is the mets keep rushing him. Supposedly he’s going to start out in AAA this year.
That would too much of a jump Gina.
He should play a full season @ AA before
anything else.
I agree, but I don’t think the mets care about my opinion.
Or Mine.
It’s 25 ABs. How can any serious fan see this as news. It’s not news.
Hey Clowns,
You guys should read up on subjects before you open your mouths. Fernando commented on the pressure of the VWL being “nothing” compared to the DWL (where he had hit 314 with 7 homers, 6 triples, 6 doubles) in 153 ab’s AND the reason he was in the VWL in the first place. The VZ media took this as a swipe at their league and their fans when all he meant was he had already played in front of his home fans and THAT was real pressure. He was also used extensively as a pinch hitter in VZ. He did so well in the DWL that they have had discussions about him being on the DR WBC team.
Keith Law LAST WEEK called him a future superstar, I think he knows more than you guys, widely considered the WORST of any of the Mets fans…. Scout.com, NYFS, you guys seem to take the cake.
this means nothing.. maybe it will even help motivate him a bit. Nobody would ever judge a guy base on 25 ab
Nobody? 99% of the comments on this site are judging a kid for going 4-25 AFTER being AWESOME in his prior 153 ab turn.
You’re right Fernando … stupidity.
that would seem to fit closer to the definition of “a slump” rather than “a hack”
We’re all bad Mets fans? That’s interesting. I never knew that about myself.
I don’t really think much of this demotion/layoff/firing; I had concerns with F-Mart before, and still do.
Thank you for that FernandoRULES. I swear I think some of these posters get off on complaining. I really don’t know what they’d do when the Mets win a World Series.
How about doing a little research on why he was released before making judgements?
Thank you CaseStreet, finaly some one reasonable, do you really have to read 115 post to find someone who doesn’t over react to the tiniest of news,,AHAHAHGET MANNY AND ODAWG!!!!!!
Seriouly this is nothing has no effect on his prospect status, if anything the fact that he was chosen at such a young age to participate in the VWL playoffs improves his prospect status….WL are always swapping youngsters in and out of the line up, laporta was sent home early and some one else recently.. Thi sis no reasonto panic, kids get a quick shot if they don’t produce, they swap in a veteran, thats why it was so surprising he even made the playoff roster in the first place…..now let him get ready for AAA and Citi-field and stop over reacting and screaming to sign 36 year old DH’s who wont play 100% unless ya give him 4yrs/100 mil!
No offense to Cerrone, but this is on him. How about posting the relevant information regarding this (ie his comments, ie his awesome turn in the DWL just weeks prior) all this does is artificially rile up the fan base and we get to hear “Fernando Martinez for a good bench player” comments both here and WFAN.
SIGN BEN SHEETS!!
Sign Manny!
SIGN MANNY, OLLIE, AND SHEETS!!!
And Bonds!
NOW WE’RE COOKING WITH CRISCO!!!
fya minaya!
Matt LaPorta-He hit .164 in 67 ABs., Indians fans must be SOOOOOO disappointed.
I have to agree here with Fernadorules. I can’t fault a met blogger to start complaining. The article reads as if this guy stunk it up when in fact he was more of a pinch hitter. Cerrone can’t throw information up like that, he needs to be more thorough.
This is all Omars doing however. You’d
think this kid put up Jefferies type numbers
for all the hype or again, displayed some type
of unique skill such as Carlos Gomez’ speed
before being labeled a can’t miss.
The comparison with Carlos Gomez is amusing. Gomez has one thing in common with FMart — neither of them put up minor-league numbers that even came close to matching the hype. Yet Gomez was the CF on a Twins team that did very well last season, and he does have a future in the bigs. You can’t judge just from the minor-league numbers.
And the only reason he is playing is because he is fast and can play defense. At this point, he is Endy Chavez.
But that’s because center field is usually a weak offensive position and Gomez plays all world defense. F-mart isn’t going to play center field for us he’s expect to play left field, which is usually a plus offensive position, and there seem to be pretty mixed reports on his defensive abilities. Now if they think he can be a center fielder and plan on him replacing Beltran full time after 2011 then that’s one thing, if they think his bat is going to improve and he’ll play decent defense then left field might make sense, IF, they replace the lost power somewhere else, if F-mart in lf with Delgado at 1st is okay, F-mart in lf with Murphy at first isn’t.
That’s even as suming that Delgado can produce this year much less in 2010.
Barring injury or absolutely horrible performance this year, Martinez is the LF and Murphy is at 1B in 2010.
But HIS numbers were superior to FMART,
he was able to stay healthy AND most immportant and the issue you didn’t address
at all,Gomez had a couple of unique skills—
He plays a great CF and steals a ton of bases.AGAIN, What exactly is the unique skill
FMart displays?
I love Potatoes!!
And Dan Quale is in da house!
the knee jerk reactions around here are PATHETIC. This is based on 25 at bats. 25 AT BATS!!! He wasn’t even playing regularly, and was brought on late, and let go early, so who cares? He was playing in the dominican and ripping it up, the only reason he even got sent over there. So, so what? in 25 when he was pinch hitting, he didn’t hit so well in a new environment, and all of a sudden he’s a bust? You people are PATHETIC.
Is it anymore ridiculous than the people who looked at 100 some bats in the Dominican League and decided his so-so minor league numbers were irrelevant and he was now borderline ML ready and going to be a star? I think people calling him a bust are ridiculous too but I’d say there’s a lot more basis for that than just these 25 at bats.
Thank you Gina! As posted many times the last two yrs, Forget about FMart. We need
OF help THIS SEASON.
Right, can’t trade him. Just give him plenty of time by getting a LF. If he improves tremendously in a year or 2 then you make a trade to fill the spot. This is what most teams do. Not tie up a spot for 5 years because Fmart is coming, Fmart is coming. Like he’s the great beast or something.
Agree again. The people saying that he is a bust have just as much proof as those who are saying he will be a superstar. Maybe even more.
did I say he will be a superstar? Tell me where I said that, please do. Because all i’m saying is all of you calling him a bust are doing so on very limited information. The kid’s 20, he’s got skills, he’s got potential, i’m leaving it at that. Look at Pelfrey, look how many people called him a bust? The thing is, people like you thereal, were tricked into thinking this kid was the next Migeul Cabrera or Albert Pujols and that’s why you’re now calling the kid a bust at 20 years old. It’s ridiculous. You’re so simple minded.
When has thereal called him a bust? He just said it would be dumb, for a team that wants to win now, to ignore major left field upgrades for this year because they don’t won’t to clog the spot for a player who could be 2-3 more years away.
F!Mart, even in Bingy, put up stats comparable to David Wright and Miggy Cabrera in a much more advanced league. This is even in his “disappointing” AA season.
In the more competitive DWL, he tore up the league.
He still has to work on his strike zone judgment (and from what I hear and have seen, he certainly can hit a breaking ball) but he is still an excellent prospect.
And no, prospects are not “poker chips” for “proven major leaguers”. I can’t believe how anyone who has lived through Kazmir and the Milledge trade could say something that dumb. The reason why we are competitive today is that we kept Wright and Reyes (and, to an extent, Pelfrey). Home grown guys are and have always been the key, because you have them in their best years at low cost. The Yankees have had no help from their farm since the Jeter generation came up in the mid 90s, and they accordingly have not won anything since 2000, in spite of $200M+ payrolls.
As for Metsblog fans being “the worst”, it’s just a matter of bell curve distribution. Metsblog is the most widely read, therefore it will have more average to dumb people reading it. Go to talk radio and you’ll find even dumber people, again because of the greater audience. Another reason is that it’s run by generally unknowledgable people like Matt Cerrone, who says dumb things on a regular basis, so it might attract readers who take him seriously, who won’t be all that bright themselves. Talk radio has the same problem with guys like Benigno and Franscesa.
Who drunk all da Kool-Aid?
Note that I don’t mean that all Metsblog readers are dumb, just that as you get more readers, your sample becomes more representative of the general population, which includes dumb people. The SABR-oriented blogs that have more sophisticated content and less readership will obviously have a more informed audience. When you get to Tom Tango, I have to work a bit to get his arguments.
Wait a second,FMart put up similar numbers
to Wright@AA??Hows That? Wright hit.363
w/27doubles,10HRs,40RBI&20SB in 220ABs.
Where has FMArt done anything close to that?
David Wright at 20 (a level below F-Mart at St lucie) 270/369/459, Fernando Martinez at 19 (at AA) 287/340/432
Gina, Thereal, and darkstar-
You all make solid points on Fmart.
I just want to say I believe our main objective is to win a W.S. in 2009 and to do this we need someone in LF that can contribute this year.
Fmart is probably not ready to help us meet that objective this year. This doesn’t mean we should turn around and trade him.
It means we plan for 2009 but also keep an eye on the future.
Since one doesn’t know what the future may bring we constantly have to weigh the costs of what to do if we can improve the team to win now at the price of hurting the future.
Fmart is not a poker chip because a poker chip always has the same value he is more like a stock option. He has value today with potential to split I believe is the word so we don’t wanna just get rid of him but you also have to watch the market and no when to trade before you lose the return on your investment.
Sorry for the analogy.
I don’t envy Minaya one bit.
umm last I checked, F-Mart would be a junior in college right now…
relax people
This guy, FMart, continues to do nothing. Let’s get rid of him now before his value plumets even more.
Is this where we wonder about trading Delgado for pitching and then signing Manny and Garland?
Or was Delgado only being moved for a closer?
Okay- is everyone on here JUST SO MUCH MORE TALENTED and SO MUCH MORE BRILLIANT than Matt ? I mean….seriously- he’s not the Daily News, SI, NY Times (insert any sports page)….this is a BLOG…a collection of original content which is great and a gateway to other people’s stories…journalists’ stories….If he DIDN’T POST THIS AT ALL…everyone would be complaining that he won’t post blah blah blah…
I’m so over negative, nasty folks on here…I understand, we’re all used to using our venom on AFH! or others in the bullpen…and now, we have LESS to complain about….but still….
Can anybody say “Alex Escobar”?