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Tonight on the MLB Network’s Hot Stove Show, which airs every night at 7 pm, SI.com’s Tom Verducci said:
“The Mets like Ben Sheets, but they want to make this heavily loaded with incentives based on starts or innings pitched… Sheets says, ‘Hey, I pitched 198 innings last year, I should be guaranteed more money.’”
Verducci believes the Mets want Sheets, but they need to ‘bridge that gap,’ and, right now, ‘they’re just not close.’
…from what i can gather, the Mets are thinking of a deal like Brad Penny signed in Boston, i.e., one-year, $5 million, lots of incentives including an option for the following season, while sheets is thinking of a two-year deal, worth roughly $9 million per season, with incentives and an option for a third season…so, verducci is correct, that is a pretty big gap…
Um 2 years with a 3rd option for $9mm per?
….Am I the only one who LIKES that deal?
2 yrs and a 3rd option is a good deal for manny!
It’s a great deal!
“sheets is thinking of a two-year deal, worth roughly $9 million per season, with incentives and an option for a third season”
If that is accurate, the Mets MUST make that signing! That would be a great contract, IMHO. Sign Freddy Garcia for insurance.
Thank God im not the only one thinking this.. I mean really the guy HAS health problems but they aren’t that bad.. When healthy this guy can throw CG’s like Johan and go deep into games.. Johan + Dheets as the 1-2 punch is greater than anything the Mets make happen right now (excluding a big trade like last year to get Johan since that wont happen anyway)
Uh yeah, that last injury with elbow really could be that bad. Still, I’d take the chance and sign him.
For under $10m for 2 years? Your nuts to not take a chance on that..
Medium risk and very high reward..
oops nvm i thought you said you would not take a chance.. my bad!
if we sign sheets id still go after ollie since were not gonna upgrade the offense. it seems to me guaranteeing 2 yr 16 mil wud be a fair compromise too
Do it…
18 Million, 2 years… 375 Innings and or 50 Starts the third year at 9 million kicks in…
stupid not to
GET IT DONE.
If 2 years with a base salary of 9 mil is all Sheets is asking for, I dont know why he isnt signed already.
The fact that the Mets think Sheets is on the same level as Smoltz or Penny is INSANE.
2/18 seems more than reasonable for a guy who could be as good as Sheets has been at his best. And it’s not so huge that if he does get hurt (knock on wood) it would kill your budget.
The only reason I can see for hesitating on what Sheets is asking for – and wanting to only pay 5 mil for year one with options – is they’re looking to sign both Sheets AND Ollie and trying to keep the $$ within reason. Or what they deem to be within reason….
That would be terrific.. But Im not sure I see that happening.. I just have a feeling Redding will be our #5 for sure. Unless they make him a long reliever in the bullpen (what long reliever is worth $2.5m though?)
Darren Oliver and not too many more. But the long reliever is also the sixth starter, insurance for an injury.
At this point 2/18 has to be done, that is cheaper then what we paid Pedro last year, ahd Sheets had a better year.
The only question is what are the incentives Sheets is looking for? 2 for 9 mill per yr sounds like a steal but if he wants an extra 7 mill per year if he reaches certain goals than you just added another SP for 16 mill per season and the Mets budget gets blown out of the water. Do the Mets have to leave room available in the budget incase Sheets meets those incentives meaning the roster is pretty much set as is?
2 years at 9mill with incentives and a 3rd year option. Are you kidding me Omar, get this done. What do you have to lose. That barley more than what you are paying that bum at 2B. If he doesn’t stay healthy he’s only getting 9 million a year and if he hit the incentives you should be happy to pay the man. Omar should not tip toe around this and just get it done
I really hope that this gets done. In fact the ink should be drying on the mets contract with him because now it allows other teams to take a peek
It’s almost as if the Mets intentionally lowball every free agent so that either:
A) They can say they made an effort once the player signs elsewhere
or
B) The player takes the deal and the Mets look like geniuses.
I will strangle a goat if the Mets let Sheets go for 2 years, 18 million..
Wrap uo Sheets, Manny, and a back up starter and salvage this off season.
I AGREE
This report is 10 min old already, why is this deal not done yet!
Omar’s Lowball approach=
Omar- we are willing to offer you 2 million plus if you pitch 3 no-hitters we will pony up another $500,000
Ben Sheets and Agent- HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH uh no thanks the Nationals are on the other line gotta go.
im loving this MLB TV thing…its really good!!!
Agreed, much better then the NFL, NHL and NBA (BET).
Ok the NBA thing was a bit funny yet a bit unneeded also.
too bad, I dont have it, I will have to pay for it.
ok he wants 2 for 18 w option of 3rd year at 9 mil making it 27 mil plus incentives over 3 yrs.
we want 1 yr 5 mil plus incetives and option for next year
compromise: 1 yr 7.5 mil plus options in 2010 AND 2011 and incentives(3 mil per year). where 2010 option kicks in with 150 innings. or just do 1 yr and option where 7.5 per year cud go to 15 mil a year if all incentives are met
I was seeing some videos of this guy pitching and he is nasty!!. if we could get him for 2/18mm and then sign ollie for like 3/36.
just imagine what this rotaton could do if :
ollie finally gets it together
pelfrey improves from last year
maine stay healthy
I prefer signing sheets and ollie and staying with the same offense from last year.
I’d take that too.. Pitching WINS.
Santana
Sheets
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
(Redding as long reliever/spot starter incase of injury)
Great stuff ^^
and trade Castillo and Schneider for Tejada, and sign Pudge.
Getting Sheets for 2/18 would be great. It’s not a Pavano 4/40M contract, it’d only be for two years.
Bringing in Sheets and Perez would be awesome but unlikely, even thought the Mets could afford it. I’d be happy with Sheets and Garcia or Pedro to compete with Redding and Niese.
Ok so they are not even close .What the F is new with this team I am telling you we are going to end up with just Pedro or maybe Garcia and thats it
They’re not close, but at least they know the ceiling isn’t $15-$16 million like with Lowe. I can see a compromise of 2 years at $8 million per guaranteed with incentives that could make it worth $12 to $13 million per if he hits the incentives, and the third year option.
GET IT DONE OMAR. IT IS ONLY 24 DAYS TO PITCHERS AND CATCHERS!!!!
Whats Sheets medical report? The guy is indeed filthy but he might be headed for Tommy John.
Sheets is twice the pitcher Penny is so a $5 million offer would be lowballing him. If the Mets can find $2 mil for scrubs like Alex Cora and Tim Redding they can get to Sheets’ number.
Thank you. I mean if they really had to save the money I’d rather see Sheets in the rotation with Argenis Reyes as the middle infielder and Jon Niese as the 5th starter. It would be crazy if the Mets let Sheets go to another team for 2 years 18 million.
Unless of course there are some serious medical reports…but I keep thinking about the BS on Vlad’s back a few years ago.
Sheets, Garland, Manny in that order.
DO IT, OMAR, DO IT.
while I like Sheets, there is a reason he is asking 2/18 and no one has offered it yet.
He has back issues, he ended the season on the d/l.
there are significant issues.
If they sign Sheets they must improve the #5 spot too- you know Sheets will miss starts.
I still see Ollie as the guy they sign.
Santana and Sheets (when healthy) is just about the best 1-2 punch in baseball. We need to get this done.
Actually its Matt’s “gathered info” that states the 2/18 type of deal.. That might be wrong, although he was very much right about the Mets getting 2 closers.
i would just like to see omar do something already…it is really boring reading well nothing…except players avoiding arbitration…lets get sheets and manny…for sheets that is great deal..and for manny if we cant offer him a little more than the dodgers are…i would give him 3 years 50 million…
They better do this before another team gets involved to drive up the price. If they let him go, I lose all faith in the upcoming season, and get upset at my parents for making believe in a team, whose owner is cheap and doesn’t care about winning.
very true…this offseason of acquiring krod and putz will be put on the backburner if they dont get sheets/perez/MANNY..lol..and settle for pedro or garcia or garland..come on omar..lets go already..im getting aggravated
O.K. If you are Ben Sheets, why would you ask for only 2 years at $9 per. That is soooo realistic. If his agent is shooting for a realistic deal, that’s a cause for a looong pause. I can see him signing, getting to spring training and blowing his elbow in 5 warm ups. He then would have surgery and miss all of 2009.
lets see, $18M guaranteed to a proven ace who may miss some starts due to injuries…..or $60M to a guy who can go from unhittable to train wreck in the same inning….hmmmm
Why not ask for $13M per, for 3 years and negotiate down to $18M over 2 years. Seems he’s desperate to collect some cash before he is a 30 something has been coming off of major surgery.
The mets can examine him before he signs on the dotted line. If he refuses we can spread the word that he denied the chance to be examined. We will not go blindly into signing him.
Wow. The 2 yrs/ 9 mil with an ptions sounds dandy to me. By noon tomorrow the deal better be done, as it leaves wiggle room for Ollie and even a bat. I still prefer Sheets AND Perez, and I would avoid Garland and Wolf. But if they sign Sheets and let Ollie go, I would be slightly disappointed yet would find it acceptable.
and then we have money for MANNY..lol
Maybe we can work a deal with Boston to acquire one of the 18 starters they have on their roster.
They shouldn’t even discuss Wolf, hes pretty bad in all honesty.. As a #5 sure, nothing else.
i just want to see something done..this is getting a little crazy
SIGN THIS GUY!
…That is all.
2 years guaranteed $12M. $500K bonus for 100 innings and $500 more for each 15 innings over 100. So if he pitches 175 innings, he makes $8.5M. Include performance bonuses for CY Young voting etc.
* s/b $9M if he pitches 180 innings.
Minaya needs to invite Ben for some Cajun food, including jambalaya and crawfish etouffee. Do it nene
Maybe a personal message from Chris Rock or Jerry Seinfeld, like the Braves did with Allen Jackson and Lowe.
How come no talks about signing Garland is this guy really that bad?
The more I hear this offseason the more frustrated I get with the Mets ownership. The Mets are opening a new stadium and they drew over 4 million fans last year. There is no reason they cannot open up the bank for one of the best hitters in baseball. There is also no reason why they can’t give Sheets alot of money for a year or two.
Manny is a no brainer for this team and they will get him at a discount due to the lack of a market.
i couldnt have said it better
how come no talks about singing manny?…is this guy really that bad too?
Metfreak, yes he is plus he wants like $10M per. I’d rather bring back Frank Viola in his fifties….Don’t forget, Steve Trachel won over 15 games for us. Garland is similar. Won a lot of games but was in the right place at the right time.
Well all you had to say was Trachel and thank you for that now there is no way I want the guy
Heaven forbid the Mets go over the top once in the last, I don’t know 48 years. They are the PERFECT fit for Man-Ram. They can blow $300M on a ponzi scheme but CHOOSE to count pennies when the river card is uncovered.
The Coupons already won this year they have there new park and its going to be sold out all yr
There is no way a $45000 seat stadium located in a somewhat easily accessible location will not be filled all year. They are using this highly profitable 2009 season as an opportunity to make up as much money as possible from their wonderful Maddoff investment. Winning means nothing to the coupons. SIGN Manny!!!!!!
i just dont understand..dodgers are pulling the mets and lowballing manny..mets cant see that and say we will up the years to 3 for a little more?…i look at it like this..we will have him until he is 40..probably the best right handed hitter ever…and he doesnt look like he is stopping anytime soon…its just bothersome..
Maybe they are scared that Manny would be bigger news then Citi field
* 45,000 seat staidium – $ sign
lets just sign sheets and manny..and call it an off season
mets fail to make the playoffs AGAIN this year when omar is going around saying this team is built to win now…im gonna be emailing every single person calling for the wilpons and omar’s head…as will other angry mets fans..
Let me know when
you got it
Does anyone know an up to date website (one that would have the Cora and Sanchez signings) where I can get the Mets 2009 payroll figure with a breakdown of each player’s salary?
Thanks in advance.
My to Omar is “what do you want this offseason?” It’s getting to the point of sickening. Everyone who seems to be right there for him to grab he has a reason to either lowball them or ignore them all together.
exactly…i know sheets’ history of injuries..BUT he wants two years 9 M each year?..and you WONT do that deal?…are you kidding me?…the same with manny…and i understand perez is very inconsistent…however i think he is worth more than that supposed 3 year/30M he was offered..dont know if thats true but..still…lets stop lowballing everyone…we dont have to spend 400 million but we can spend more than we are
gosh are all these comments annoying to read. can we do ourselves a favor and limit each individual to 25 iterations of any given complaint?
i know there is a website but cant remember it..lol..sorry
45,000 X 81=3,645,000 2009 tickets sold
4,000,000 2008 tickets sold
2009 average ticket price will be (just guessing) $50 so 3,645,000 x $50 = 182,250,000
2008 average ticket price $40 4,000,000 X $40= 160,000,000
A $22,250,000 increase in ticket sales. ALSO, factor in a dozen or so luxury boxes at $500,000. That’s another 6,000,000
So we have an extra $28,500,000
An extra $20,000,000 from the taxpayer who helped bail out Citi.
That’s $48,500,000 in extra $ NOT counting expected gains in the SNY network which is ever evolving.
BESIDES OWNER COLLUSSION TO REDUCE PLAYER SALARIES, THERE IS NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN’T SIGN PEREZ, SHEETS and MANNY.
Where do you get an extra $20 million in taxpayer money? That money is not used for salaries, it’s used for the stadium.
And the stadium is owned by who? Sterling Equities. If someone paid $20,000,000 a year into your mortgage, does that not place more equity into your net worth/business?
That money goes into the stadium and surrounding area outside the stadium. No way in hell taxpayer money is used on salaries. Money from that comes from a different stream of funds.
I knew it was only a matter of time before the word ‘collusion’ started to be bantered around….
Lest we forget the 30 million every team receives from internet revenue alone, generalized revenue sharing, as you mentioned SNY, and of course the mounds of cash funneling in from merchandise. Manny, Sheets, and Perez should be Mets. This is ridiculous.
Weird thing is that the Brewers tried to re-sign Sheets for 10 mil per year.
I’m sure he’s looking for major incentives. I think the Mets would be remiss not to offer a deal like Smoltz received by Tomorrow. Slap it down.
Listen, i am usually pretty patient with these types of things, and I realize you have to take time to work out the best deals…but the clock is ticking and there is not too much time left until pitchers and catchers report. I am starting to get a little worried. Personally i would liek to thinkt eh mets say 5 and sheets says 10 and they settle on 8 whihc is what most pundits think he will sign for some place…but this seems a little nerve wracking.
its getting a little ridiculous to me…lets do something already…less than a month before pitchers and catchers report…and still nothing..we signed redding two weeks ago…and still dont have a # 2…2nd base blah blah blah…but i dont feel comfortable with left field platoon..i feel comfortable with manny
Sheets for 9 million plus incentives is reasonable IMHO…..
yeah sheets for a 2 year incentive laden deal with a 3rd year option.. That is a steal.
I like how the Mets want the deal to be but…….We need this guy. I’d get him over Perez any day. You may get the great Perez one day and the Perez who was just brought up to the majors and gets lit up. That just can’t happen.
The problem is when you have a guy like Sheets in your rotation, you’d rely on him too much for that PUNCH every fifth day. If we can drop our expectations, I’d absolutely love to take him for a two year deal+ incentives and/or options. The biggest problem is his reliability…..ESPECIALLY if he’s not going to be there in the playoffs when you really need him. To make it that far and then lose an arm of his caliber is devasting to a team.
Just think how much Pelfrey can learn from a pitcher like Sheets………
As of now there is no reason for myself to be pumped for the upcoming season NONE
i dont either… thought the signings of krod and putz were going to be the start of a really nice offseason…much like the yankees had…even though i dont want them to spend THAT much…but come on..i really dont feel comfortable at all with this offseason period…
I was expecting big moves this year after the last 2 yrs like I said before I really think the Wilpons big move is Citi Field
the Wilpons are cheap considering the money they bring in every year. it’s a shame the fans can’t express to them how they feel. it’s not like they will be introduced on opening day to hear the boo’s
ohhh man..i wish they would be introduced…kind of like unveiling of citi field and have them come out for the first pitch you know?..boo them right out of the stadium
Does anyone knows where Omar buys his bagels?
If he’s healthy, the Brewers will get into the bidding.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Brewers wanted draft picks because they gave up young talent for CC to make the run last year. If a bad team signs Sheets the Brewers get a high 1st round pick for Sheets (plus supplimental) but if the Mets sign Sheets they only get a late 2nd round pick and 2nd round supplimental. Thats a big drop in quality.
This is also why the Mets haven’t rushed to make an offer for Perez. They can always outbid anyone, but if a really bad team signs Ollie they can hit the jackpot with a high 1st round pick.
Best case senario for the Mets is getting a healthy Sheets and having a team like the Mariners or Rangers sign Ollie.
A healthy Sheets behind Santana would be the best 1-2 punch for the Mets since Hampton and Leiter.
also a healthy manny behind wright and in front of beltran or delgado would be a great 1-6…other than castillo batting 2nd
I’d love Manny too. But I think that signing Sheets and another starter will enable the Mets to make a trade, either now or during the season.
Imagine that Sheets is healthy and the 5th starter is solid but nothing special. Santana, Sheets, Pelfrey, and Maine is a playoff caliber rotation. The Mets could package guys like Parnell, Kunz, Neise, Murphy, Evans, etc… for a position player upgrade.
If the Mets take a risk on Sheets they can’t also take a risk on Manny. If Sheets went down they’d be paying him, Wagner, and Castillo.
This whole offseason has turned into a big downer, I guess I should not be suprised with the prideless joke Wilpons….
sheets needs to be signed…i know there is the injury risk, but then u gotta sign a guy like garland, and thats a decently deep rotation
im just scared we are relying on delgado to have a year like he did last year
why wudnt delgado have a good year? the wrist injury finally healed in 2nd half
lol..was it the wrist that healed or was it the manager that got fired?
Judging by Delgado’s 12 other full seasons in the majors, I’m going with wrist injury
In addition, Delgado’s resurgance actually started about 3 weeks before Willie was let go.
thats why with the dodgers offering manny a 2 year 45 million dollar deal…why arent they offering him freakin 3 years…50 million
If 2 years for $45 mil wouldn’t work why would 3 for $50 mil?
im not saying those exact number…50 55…and because if the mets want to lowball every player this offseason…go a little higher than the dodgers…i think 3 years/55 million will get a deal done with manny..
that doesn’t make sense. why wouldn’t he just take the 2 for 45 at the higher average salary so he could be a FA again sooner?
because if no one is looking at him now..who is going to look at him in two years when he is 39?…that makes no sense…
if i was manny…being 37 knowing that this offseason only the dodgers were making an offer for 2 years…why would i think that in 2 years i would get a bigger offer?…i wouldnt…so…why not take the 3 years 55 million
That doesn’t mean he’d take less for three years. People aren’t looking at him now because the economy is awful and he just made a fool of himself in Boston. If he took the two year deal and was a model citizen again he’d get a deal after.
If the opening offer from the Dodgers was two years for 45 mil you’d have a better shot of getting him on a one year 26 million deal than a 3 year 55 million deal.
this would be awesome
im sick of hearing that he is a sore in the clubhouse…he went to the dodgers and the young guys like martin loved having him there..torre too…he loosened everyone up..my god…im angry now
He was acting !
I wouldn’t do ANYTHING above 1 year with a contract. He hurt his shoulder bad last year, which could be a really bad injury.
Not to mention, he probably won’t be healthy by the time the playoffs roll around. He’s pretty bad in pressure situations too.
ur crazy . his shoulder injury wasnt that bad ..not cuff or labrum just a muscle injury. 2 yrs for him wud be good(2 yr 15 mil plus incentives to 22mil) along with with ollie wud be best(4 yr 50 mil…2 mil sb…10 in 09,12 in 2010,13 in 2011,13 in 2012)
Lol, it was a bad injury. I watched the last game of the year, he was in tremendous pain and he could barely get the ball above 88 MPH.
He’s a nice low risk/high reward player. But I’m not giving him two guaranteed years, unless it’s at a very discounted price. Plus, then we could go out and sign Perez, too.
Can’t wait to see Ollie in the WBC playing for Mexico. I hope he pitches just to see how he handles the pressure of playing for his country.
If Ollie pitches in WBC, I hope for his sake he’s signed already. Can you imagine if he blows his arm out or has a freak injury ?
Ollie and Sheets can and should be done.
Santana – Sheets – Perez – Maine – Pelfrey – Garcia – Redding – Niese
I completely agree Case….Ollie and Sheets would give us an excellent rotation.
And as for Freddy G, I think The Chief would be great to take a shot at too, and it warms my heart to see you on the ex-Mariner bandwagon…
I just hope Omar knows what he’s doing.
During ST, I was very excited at the Mets potential, but right now I can’t say I feel the same.
Shoring up the rotation with Sheets or Perez and Garcia or Pedro is a must. Upgrading in LF with Dunn or Abreu would be ideal. We can live with the current situation in 2B and C if the rotation and LF are addressed.
Can’t wait till WBC starts, I can only see the game after 9/11 so many times.
The Mets aren’t lowballing everyone – its just their typical bad press/PR.
They didn’t overpay for Lowe and they haven’t bid on Manny – yet. Do you really believe that Lowe will be worth 15M in the 3/4 years? That’s a Pedro-like signing for Atlanta to prove they still matter.
Why should the Mets overpay for Perez? If he leaves they get a 1st round pick and a sandwich pick. They WANT a bad team to sign him.
Why pay Perez the same type of money that Oswalt and Peavy make?
The big question is: IS Sheets healthy? Because if he is healthy, signing him is a brilliant move.
BTW, if a really bad team signs Perez it’s like hitting the draft lottery for the Mets, especially if they are willing to pay over slot.
Sure Ollie might get it together, but wouldn’t we be better off ‘losing’ the Ollie sweepstakes to get a top 10 pick and still sign a pitcher as good?
the first 15 picks are protected
sorry, you’re right. I’ll settle for the Dodger or Brewer pick and a sandwich pick
i understand perez is an incosistent pitcher…but i think he is worth more than 3 years 30 million which again..was apparently rumored but still.AND with the sheets thing…if mets are looking at him for 5 million..and he only wants 9 million for 2 years…thats lowballing him
Let’s hope that Ollie is worth more than 3/30 to the Rangers, Mariners, Royals, etc…
Here is a perfect offseason:
A top 10 draft pick
Krod
Putz
Sheets (healthy)
and a new LF (Dunn/Abreu)
That team has more than a punchers chance.
Where is the imaginary, magical top 10 draft pick coming from?
As another poster pointed out, it would have to be #16 or beyond. The Dodgers have a ton of cash.
Let them sign Perez.
I’d rather have a healthy Sheets and Dunn (plus backup plan for #5 like Garland).
That’s a solid offseason.
Yeah I believe the first 10-15 picks are protected, so you’re right on 16 or higher. I would love to get a nice pick in June.
If a bad teams signs ollie we get their draft pick.
lets just sign manny and sheets and be done with it…because this offseason bites
JUST SIGN THIS FARGIN GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH, THE YANKEES SIGN EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER AND WE ARE LEFT WITH WHAT? TIM REDDING AND PEDRO? I HOPE THE WILPON’S GO BANKRUPT, FRANKLY.
AMEN!!!
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wait for it….
WOW…holy crap that must have taken a little while..lol..but AMEN to that too
I’m sorry, but my post pretty much sums up everyone else’s. You can all stop posting now. Mine says all you need to say. Just get it done, Omar and Fred Coupons. They aren’t taking your BS offers, just start playing for real now!
AGREE…dont spend as much as the yankees BUT spend like you are a new york baseball team with a new ballpark…COME ON
Press Release at CMLBO.com
“NY METs ownership has announced that they have lost 464 million in the Bernie Maddoff scandal. They can not afford to spend like they did in recent years and will field the most competetive team possible in 2009, while keeping costs in high regard. Fred Coupon was quoted as saying “By cutting back saving on payroll, toilet paper, substituting Keystone Beer for Budweiser we should be able to make back the $464,000,000 in 23 years, giving us something to look forward to: A 90 win season in 2032″. At that point we will be able to bring in Julio Franco at 72 and Manny Ramirez at 59, while they are still productive. Thank you in advance my dear Met fans. Your team, your time. Sincerely Fred Coupon.”
In case you were wondering, CMLBO stands for Cheap Major League Baseball Owners . com
HA! Good one…
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA….thats good
sign someone…im just bored
Is there any rhyme or reason to what messages get posted?
no. these messages have the same rhyme and reason as our wonderful clueless and pennypinching leaders do NONE
So if he does sign Manny, Perez and Sheets is he still Fred Coupons?
I guess he would then be Fred “If this doesn’t work my Dad’s gonna kill me” Wilpon
No, if the Mets signed Manny, Sheets, and Ollie he’s a Champion in my book….regardless of what happens on the field.
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no…hes fred “i want to win after two late collapses” wilpon
Just give Sheets the money, it isn’t outrageous.
As for Manny-Hell NO
and why not?
because the guy is cancerous …if we roughly have 25 mil (and thats high) to spend this offseason, how in the world could they sign manny? think about it..if they sign manny u will still call him freddie coupons because he would have blown all his money on a guy that is a liability in left field
The Yankees once had an outfielder that was over weight, would constantly party, was hung-over for some games, had s-e-x with the first baseman’s wife, didn’t run well and was a marginal defensive player. I certainly wouldn’t want Babe Ruth on my team. :)
I wouldn’t mind Barry Bonds on my team if the Wilpons can’t afford Manny either..
It would be unconscionable to sign Castillo to a 4-year 25m deal – and hold onto him – and decline Ben Sheets a 2-year 18m deal with an option for a 3rd year.
This is where Omar and I part company. Omar is primarily responsible for the collapse of the last two years for turning the bullpen from a strength into a weakness.
I like Omar, but he’s got a major blind spot. He can’t finish one sentence without beginning another. He should stop talking and start thinking.
I don’t understand. What does this post have to do with the New York Manny Ramirezes?
hahahah
The fact that 95% of the posters here are mindless idiots who can’t grasp the concept of money and yell because we haven’t signed Manny yet.
If I only had a brain….
If I only had a Manny…
after two late season collapses and 23 days away from spring training and omar always talking about how he is pocused on pitching and blah blah blah…you arent mad at this circus?…come on…still no number 2 pitcher..left field second catcher…come on…and the money thing…give me a break…they are able to spend as much as the yankees did this offseason..
why in this world would u want them to spend as much money as the yankees?
TO WIN YOU JACK OFF!!
Yes, because the Yankees have won soo many titles since their payroll went out of control in 2004.
Yes BUT he will then buy himself some credibility. I need to see it long term. Go over the top when it makes sense. I am not saying spend like the Yankees. Spend when it makes sense though. Manny is needed. Sheets and Perez as well. If we fail on 09, I will not kick and scream and say “Sign all type A’s”. However, the most prudent decisions need to made every year. We shall deal with them in 2010.
i think sheets and manny would do just fine…with manny and sheets it would help A LOT…just do something
For the sake of our own mental health we need to accept that they aren’t going to sign Manny.
I look at things this way. The team has just missed the playoffs the past 2 seasons winning 88 and 89 games. With an improved bullpen and the emergence of Pelfrey maybe a high risk/reward pitcher like Ollie or sheets is not what the mets need.
I think we would be better off getting out of the bidding for two guys that are going to break our hearts and going the cheaper route with a less flashy more consistent guy like Garland and then using the extra cash for the O-dog.
Yea so I’m gonna go cry myself to sleep again tonight knowing that Freddie saved a few bucks and a few picks this year.
lol
gg – go over the top when it makes sense?????? SANTANA????? 6 YEARS 120+million? are you kidding…some met fans just dont get it – simply what have u done for me lately attitude
im just waiting for a headline on here saying mets have interest in manny
Maybe I am missing something, but exactly which teams in the NL have done anything to make themselves better (or actaully have done anything of note?)
Braves got Vazquez (who was roasted here when it was suggested by me and TRS that the mets get him), some japanese guy, and an overpriced Derek Lowe.
Phils “traded” Burrell for Ibanez (another guy roasted when mentioned for the mets) and have lost JC for 50 gmaes, and probably Utley for a while too.
Mets replaced Ayala and Heilmann and Schoe with K Rod, Putz and green. Replaced Pedro with Redding? Neise? And lost Perez.
ANy other teams add anyone? Plenty lost guys (dodgers, brewers for sure).
Frankly, the Mets have, so far, made the biggest improvement, pending who they add for the 5th rotation spot..
And don’t say K Rod replaces Wagner. The Mets were in 1st place (pre-sept. pen collapse) when they lost Wagner, so that debabcle was when Ayala, etc. were playing closer roulette.
And I don’t care what the Yankees did. They play in the other league, so it only impacts the mets for 6 games.
I agree, and I thank you for this excellent post. The nonsense on here is indeed difficult to wade through some days lately….please let the season begin soon so our bullpen can begin setting records and David Wright’s rbi doubles in the 1st inning can hold up as game-winning hits and not be wasted by Heilman and Scho…..
I agree with everything you say, however, you aren’t taking into consideration that a lot of teams have a lot of good young talent, and we all saw what the Ray’s did last year by finally putting it all together. You never know when a team like the Marlins are going to get it together. They did it in ‘97 and ‘03. I think they can do it again this year. My guess is as good as yours, the point is, its not just about the bog name players. The Mets need a #2, its not a debate, its a fact.
no its just wright’s rbi double will be the only run produced when johan is pitching and we will lose 3 -1..
The Cubs got Milton Bradley.
if milton bradley was a met people would be complaining ! and they also made pretty terrible moves..mark de rosa is awesome and kevin gregg is terrible ! i dont think beltrans grandslam as hit the ground yet!
Does anyone remember when Omar signed Julio Franco for 2 years and said ‘He deserves a job in the Met organization anytime he wants to for the rest of his life’ ?
It’s statements, actions and commitments like these that drive me nuts. He makes that decision and signs Luis Castillo for 4 years but won’t move aggressively this year in a down market. Aggressive pursuit gets Sheets signed quickly, eliminates/reduces Perez’s leverage and places less pressure on us to buy another player. Get moving Omar.
You can’t deem off season acquisitions a failure – or success – until we’re headed into SP.
If we stand pat and get no one else, then yeah, we all have something to complain about. I just don’t see it that way. We’re going to get at least one more SP, if not two. From there, is anyone’s guess. That might be it until the mid season trade deadline.
Patience.
Sorry – SP should have been ‘ST’.
i agree but the fact is that they do have the money to go out there and get people…im not saying go overboard…but they do and they dont…especially after two late season collapses
Well, we don’t really know yet who all they’re still looking to bring in, how much money they really are willing to spend. I think we just have to wait this out and see.
I don’t think patience is a virtue of us fellow Met fans – lol.
lol…oh no..definately not…i think all of us are a little jumpy the past couple of weeks..lol…reading some posts everyone seems so angry..lol
I just had an epiphany!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just realized who should be the next owner of the NYMETS if god willing the Coupons find a way to go bankrupt.
VINCE MCMAHON. How awesome would that be. We would make billions, have WWE events at Citifield. Vince could bring billions in advertising to SNY regionally and wait we can make SNY a national channel. How many transplanted NYers are there across the country???
We would have Diva’s in between innings and hundreds of entertaining events at our park, bringing in millions of extra revenue dollars.
VINCE MCMAHON baby. The anti coupon.
OHHH YEAH!!!
THis is a year to go counter to the market, and buy, buy, buy when it is down.
And if they can get sheets at ~ 8 illion guaranteed per for 2 years, roll the dice. Unless they feel close to certain that he is liekly to miss the entire year (say Tj in ST). What the heck, if he can just pitch 20 really good starts, you got your moneys worth.
Just think of ho9w much they paid Duque not to pitch last year!
So if they get Sheets and couple him with someone more reliable (health wise), they should hae plenty of depth. Garland could work, especially if his price is depressed. Evan an Odalias Perez type to share time at the 5 hole, and fill in for sheets duty.l
Maine and Pelfrey can easily (in some order) team with Santana as a very good top 3.
IMO, the SP will get resolved out of the big pool of guys still floating around (and potentially a trade too). I am still more concerned with beefing up the weak spots in the field (2B, Catcher, and another OF bat, at least a back up)
Now batting for the METS……
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT HIS NAME IS!!!
Imagin the Rock escorting Manny to the plate LOL
hahahaa…you got stone cold steve austin cracking open some beer that wright just threw to him…lol
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnyyyyyyyy…
im telling you..lets just get manny and sheets and be done with it…
The $20 mill from Citi is Mets money, they can do what they want with it.
Mets sign Tom Martin (LHP) and Argenis Reyes to minor league deals…
daily news adam rubin reported it on his blog…
sheets + manny = promised land
Get it done Omar!!!
So I see there’s a promised land on the other side of the disable list.
sheets would be amazing and probably wouldnt be too expensive.
i say get him and sign freddy garcia…no harm in signing him…u never kno what he can come out to be.
then we got
johan
sheets
pelf
maine
redding
garcia
niese
then for the offense, go for adam dunn…as much i would love manny, its not gunna happen…dunn would be a solid pickup
reyes
dunn
wright
delgado
beltran
church
schnieder
castillo
many people say that church, schnieder and castillo are automatic outs but they are not..they might not be great players but
-a healthy church is a solid #6 hitter,
-castillo is a 300 hitter every year except last year becasue of injury
- and schnieder is a defensive catcher who bats around .250…..which is not an automatic out
sounds good to me….
dunn batting 2nd…thats interesting..he does have a high obp an you have to figure his Ks will go down if reyes is on and wright is behind him
then again he could lead to a lot of double plays and wright up w/ 2 out and nobody on..i’d be happy w/dunn, but in the 2 spot i dont know.
i think dunn in the 6 and church in the 2 wud be our best bet…i just dont like the 2 leftys back to back (church scheider) i wudnt mind trading schieder but he is a great defensive catcher…right now i am only worried about our rotation, lets get sheets before we start talking lineups
Just Sign Him Please!
Wow he wants two years, Just give it to him. All of the sudden we don’t give out extra years. We did for Pedro we did for Luis C., He got four years when he could not even run..just sign him
The only way the Mets would acquire Manny is if he converted to Judaism.
Was that an attempt at humor?
What does that joke even mean?
Wasn’t a joke. I was serious. In other words, I do not see the Wilpons even looking Manny’s way in any way shape or form. However, if he suddenly had Sean Green’s religous beliefs, I am sure they would change their minds. Sad but true.
Oh, I get it.
Not only are you a complete moron, you’re also an intolerant f–k face. Get a clue, d-bag
Its a dumb thing to say here. However I will say the Mets are at a defecit right now, a couple years ago we had Shawn Green, David Newseless and Scott Blowenweiss.
Sylar,
I beg your pardon. I wouldn’t be the first or millionth to question our team’s motivation in many moves. If Manny did convert (out of no where) I am sure the Wilpon’s would all of a sudden see the value in signing him. Was it a crazy scenario yes? Did it deserve your remark? Absolutely not. If you were offended, I am sorry your PC butt was dirtied by my verbiage/thoughts.
You said that the Wilpons would/wouldn’t sign a player because of their religious beliefs. Those comments are just as tasteless as the Latin remarks made about Omar are. Perhaps my comments are a little crude, but you certainly deserved a rebuttal for those incredulous remarks..
That was just stupid and offensive and not because I’m PC but because I’m jewish. It’s people like you that make reading comments so painful. Call the Wilpons cheap and stupid and whatever else you want but there’s absolutly no reason to bring religion or race or anything else into this.
Let’s just say for argument’s sake I am Canadian and my religous background is Canadianism. Why would I be offended if someone on here wrote that the only way the best player of his generation would be yearned for by the Wilpon’s (fellow Canadians) is if he converted to Canadianism? THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT IT WOULD TAKE A WORLD CHANGING EVENT, OR IN THIS CASE A LIFE CHANGING EVENT, FOR THE WILPONS TO EVEN CONSIDER Manny Ramirez. They do not care of he is the best player on the planet, how much money he can make them or how he can help this team. THATS MY POINT.
To the both of you who got “offended” I apologize. However, you both need calm down and look at the context of my comment.
You want to talk about being offended? I feel offended as a die hard fan that I know that what I said is probably true (extremely unlikely). The only 2 ways we get Man Ram is if hell freezes over or if he changes his religion to kiss up to the Wilpons. NOW I’M OFFENDED. Where’s the outrage? instead of outrage we get smarties on here who say “He’s not worth $20M”. Is AROD? DJeter? No. This man is, pun intended.
The bottom line is you made an anti-semetic remark, claiming the Wilpons only sign people of their own religion. You may not have meant that, but if you wanted to say that “something crazy would have to happen for the Wilpons to sign Manny” then you couldve said “they will sign Manny when pigs fly out of my a-ss” or “when h-ell freezes over.” Bringing religion into it is inappropriate and it has nothing to do with being politically correct. There are so few Jews in MLB anyway that it is impossible to come to that conclusion in the first place.
somethin tells me manny doesn’t even know what judaism is…
Wow you are cool.
Give the man his money! I don’t care, give him two years with an option, give him some more money guaranteed. Just get him, don’t lose him and resort to having to get Ollie. Because we know if we lose Sheets, we’ll end up signing Ollie for even more Sheets asked for.
‘Hey, I pitched 198 innings last year, I should be guaranteed more money.’
You also get injured twice a year and haven’t pitched that many innings since 2004.
2/18 guaranteed with incentives based on innings to increase to 3/45.
Sign him, 2/16. However, you want 2 years then the first year you get 6 million and 2nd year you get your 10.
Idea behind this is it only cost us 6 million this year and we would have more money to get Garland or a hitter. Next year he would just take Wagner’s money. If he is injured then we don’t lose anything from this year’s salary.
Wagner’s money in 2010 is already taken by salary hikes of Reyes (+3.25), K-Rod (+3), Wright (+2.5) and Santana (+1). Also, Putz is due to additional 3.6 if we elect to pick up his option. The Mets cannot afford to backload every contract. [You might argue that Delgado is off-the-books in 2010 as well, but there will likely be salary increases to Maine and Pelfrey too.]
Fred and Jeff are too cheap. I see the need for Manny. The Wilpons do not. Out of $3,500,000 visitors to Citi Field, how many do you think will buy Manny Ramirez 99’s, Man RAM wigs etc. ??? All shirts/wigs etc. bought at the stadium goes right to the Wilpon’s pockets as opposed to shirts purchased elsewhere. If they sell 1000 jersey’s a game, they will gross : 81,000 x $125 a pop=$10,125,000 or Half his salary!!!!!!!!!!! The other half is paid for through the increase advertising charges on SNY.
Come on ownership – if we continue to be cheap, we’re just going to lose more guys to our division rivals, just like we did with Lowe. Give Sheets 15/2 + a load of incentives. Get Perez too. If you can’t get Perez, get Garland. Pitching wins Championships!!! We don’t need Manny if we’ve got pitching.
If we can afford Hudson, go get ‘em too. He’d be great in the #2 spot:
Santana
Sheets
Big Pelf
Perez/Garland
Maine
Redding- ready to step up. Can also use him in the pen.
Reyes
Hudson
Wright
Beltran
Delgado
Church
Murphy/Tatis
Schneider/Castro
Stop being cheap….and….. GO GET ‘EM!!!
OMAR, SIGN GUISEPPI FRANCO!!!
I miss those comercials.
What does not seem right about this story?
I would easily pay 18 for 2 years. Give him 8 this year and 10 next. With incentives each year to bring the contract up another 2 million. If he pitches 180 innings in the 2nd year then a 3rd year kicks in at 12 million.
That’s 3/30 for an ACE? Come on. Gamble.
I would have to agree with some of the pesimist on here. If you give Pedro 4 years, Castillo 4 years, Alou and Elduque 2 year contracts, Franco???
Do it one more time for Sheets.
I’d think he wants more than 2 million in incentives. More like 9M guaranteed and 6M in incentives to bring it to 15M. That’s fair money for an ace.
My question is that this team gave appier 10 mil a year a while back… I like the fact that he is willing to take a contract that is incentive laden. Why not? This team needs players to perform, not under perform. So there maybe questions of his health. If he goes out and pitches all year and pitches well, why shouldn’t he be paid like a top pitcher. I’d give him 7.5 mil guaranteed with 7.5 mil in incentives (2.5 for innings pitched, 2.5 for games started, and 2.5 for winning x amount of games). why not? i think he is worth 15 mil a year if he stays healthy and wins 15-18 games. Which is I see as doable with our offense and improved bullpen.
Dude…whatever the team did with Appier was irrelevent. Different ownership, different GM, different team with different needs, and not to mention, the economic picture was the exact opposite it is today, as we were still riding the tech bubble in 2000.
Cmon Omar, talk the cheap owners to pony up and get the guy, who when healthy, can start All Star games. Anyone really want Perez over Sheets? Why not really break the bank and get both? Why not do SOMETHING that makes this fan base think your organization is SERIOUS about contending this year?
The only way the Wilpons will listen is if the stadium is only filled to 75% capacity. However, they will be too ignorant to think it’s because we have decided to clip coupons like them. They will blame it on the economy.
I’m really getting sick of all this lowballing.
Why even make an offer that low?
It’s insulting. Every other team makes a fair offer to their free agents.
Lowballing just makes everyone involved look bad and gets teams involved that normally wouldn’t be. i.e. The Braves and Lowe.
Stop clipping coupons!
Another thing. Come playoff time (if we make it), you really only need 3 starters. Santana Sheets and Pelfrey/Maine? If we can make the playoffs, I love our chances. We have a solid bullpen on paper, have a strong offense, and currently have 2 SP’s. Remember back when the D’backs were carried on the back of Schilling and Johnson.
I was never enthused by Lowe, but think sheets can bring it and has nasty stuff. With the remaining “resources”, sign sheets to finish the rotation. And, look for an upgrade through free agency for lf. If possible work a trade for catcher. We need the SP to keep the games close and allow our offense a chance to win it and have a bullpen close games out. However, the platoon in LF is my biggest concern after solidifying our rotation.
Sheets, Sheets, Sheets…
Hey, he won’t get injured as often as Petey.
Show him the money and git ‘er done!
Over on MLBTR:
Chico Harlan of the Washington Post spoke with an agent Monday who believes Adam Dunn “will get a max of $5MM per year” this offseason.
“Anything more than that and I’d be surprised,” added the unnamed agent. Dunn is reportedly still seeking a four-year, $56MM deal. Harlan notes that there are no big market teams in the running and he’s highly unlikely to get those desired figures. “That’s why Dunn just might end up in Washington, the one team that unequivocally wants the guy,” the report concludes.
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5 Mil? Really? Might be worth an offer if that low.
Wilpons are NOT cheap owners. The Mets have one of the highest payrolls in baseball. The problem is more on who they are paying. They are still paying deferred money to Bobby Bonilla. Paying for two managers (Manuel and Randolph), three closers (Wagner, Rodriguez and Putz). It’s not how much they spend, but who they spend it on…..
fred is that you??? or is that jeff??? j/k I agree that we spend a signifigant amount of $$$ but we do not spend it wisely. We are cheap. Randolph was a mistake and we only hired him b/c he would be cheap. Our cheapness caused us to pay for 2 managers now. Spend wisely and you end up spending less.
Hope it’s not three when they realize how much Manuel is hurting the team.
WILPONS GOAL IS TO PUT OUT A COMPETITIVE TEAM, NOT A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM!!!!
Makes me sick
Bobby Boo making $26,000,000 over the next 20 years from us is another example of the Wilpon’s and that time, Doubleday’s cheapness ( I realize that is not a word ). They decided to save $5M and invest it with Madoff (hoping to turn it into $40M by 2009) and make a profit on Bonilla’s deferred $$$. I am sick of their bonehead business decisions. They need to go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, the WIlpons invested with Madoff due to their friendship, which I hope has now been terminated.
Another example. They saved money on resigning Gangst Jerry Manuel. What happens if they do get hot in September and go deep in the playoffs? Jerry will need an expensive extension b/c he only has 1 year left on his contract. Jerry proved in 5 minutes that he belongs here (the Reyes tantrum). He should’ve been locked up for 3-4 years but noooooo…..coupons coupons coupons clip clip clip clip
If the METS go deep into the playoffs than Manuel will get an extension. I despise the Wilpons but worrying about this now is insane.
if the mets sign sheets i will officially be pumped for this season…
Whoever says the Maddoff scandal is not affecting the Mets, they are out of their minds. In the past, think the Mets would have blinked an eye before offering a guaranteed 2 year, 18 million dollar deal to a guy like Sheets.
How about they compromise and Sheets gets 2 years and 16 million. I hope Omar makes something happen this week. Remember last year when we got Santana, it was not until January 29th around 4 PM. That date is coming soon.
in response to another post: doubleday was not cheap… he was the one who made the piazza deal happen, and subsquently ventura
you’re right. i was pointing out that it was not all wilpon on that one.
sheets is a joke he hasn’t had one season where he hasn’t spent significant time on the dl, not one.
No this post is a joke. You obviously know nothing. Sheets is a better pitcher hurt than ollie is well. Sheets threw more innings last year than ollie, and has the last five years overall. His K’s are comparable with one third as many walks. His era is more than a run better than ollie’s. Sheets threw 198 innings last year. He is one of the very best pitchers in baseball. he has a history of injuries, which is the only reason we’re not looking at a 6 year deal at $20m per.
Sheets at $8-9m guaranteed is still a great deal, because when he pitches he is money. So he does a couple stints on the DL? Gives Niese a low pressure opportunity to face ML hitters. It’s still better than Ollie and his 110 pitch effort to get into the 5th inning walking the house and wearing out the bullpen.
sorry if i prefer a pitcher who has won 14 games in a season in his career before.
not to mention his medical reports problably look worse than el duque’s at this point if the market for him is this weak.
W/L record has absolutely no use in determining the effectiveness of a pitcher.
Sheets is the better pitcher easily…
Exactly , Johan Santana pitched much better then his 16 wins implies.
This is the bad thing about Sheets …. .
Say he does hold up and pitch well during the season, but then breaks down as he has done at the end of the season.
Does this scenario sound familiar? (think 2006 with Pedro and El Duque).
Where did that leave us in the playoffs? If Sheets is only good for part of the year, dont you need to have a back up plan?
Looks the the Brewers last year. At the end of the season, Sheets was breaking down. That means that the last we saw him he was on the downside. Who knows if he is healthy.
Tough to give a contract to a person whose latest game showed injury.
Best they could do relatively soon:
Sheets, Garland, Manny. (this is what I want)
More realistic:
Sheets, Garland, Dunn. (I dont really have a problem with this, I just like Manny better)
The Mets could get Sheets, Garland, and Dunn while spending less than $25 million combined in 2009. (including incentives for Sheets)
Why would they NOT do that? It would make the team incredibly solid and end up very cheap.
Sheets + Manny take us to the next level. The Mets have had exactly ONE elite bat in team history, and he led us, almost alone, to a world series. Manny makes sense in so many ways, but none more than the fact that he takes 100% of the pressure off of Wright and Beltran, making them much more effective.
You have to realize that the Mets only intend to spend $15-25 mil the rest of the off-season, with $25mil being wishful thinking.
So you can either get Manny and have our rotation be Santana/Pelfrey/Maine/Redding/Niese
Or get Sheets, Garland, and Dunn and have our rotation be Santana/Sheets/Pelfrey/Garland/Maine (Redding/Niese in the wings)
That’s not even a contest.
honestly, i’d take manny and hope we can get freddy garcia cheap and/or give parnell a shot at the rotation. garland is and average pitcher at best (and no better than redding or brandon knight).
Garland is definitely better than Redding and Brandon Knight. Are you serious???
i saw the show on MLB Network and Verducci sounded more optimistic than Matt is making out. He said the Mets are interested, Sheets is interested, but they have a ways to go towards working out the numbers.
I agree with the comment above. Until proven otherwise, the Madoff scandal has brought things to a halt. Before it, the Mets quickly moved on K-Rod and Putz. Since then, they have given lowball offers to Lowe, Perez and Sheets. It does seem a little suspect.
I just hope some deals start going down quickly this week. and as always, hopefully the first few big ones start a domino effect!
They said on Xm home plate this morning that there were still 110 FAs available. And that it is quite likely a lot of guys are going to have to take ST invites this year, including some otherwise “big” names.
Also, if there is all this mutual interest with Sheets, and they are not that far off in $$ (and agree ont he years?), why not get it hammered out quickly, like today?
Only Boras seems to require that everything drag on endlessly. Some others (agents and players) actually might like to get a deal done quickly.
Have to imagine some of these guys are getting antsy, or worried, and might start grabbing deals even if they are less than they hoped for. Just doesn’t seem that offers are going to be getting better.
manny doesnt need to be antsy. he will be signed, and will have a super year. hopefully it weil be with the mets! sheets + manny = promised land
Mets likes Sheets…I love Potatoes!
this is great news on Sheets as it would severely increase our chances of making the playoffs although they can’t stop here.
we still have huge holes in our lineup that need to be filled
To my brothers and sisters of the Jewish faith..
you see how offended you feel when someone insinuates that the Wilpons would use their faith as a basis for having someone on the team..
now imagine if you had to read that in EVERY newspaper…read it on EVERY blog…
this is what it feels like to be latino and read that Omar Minaya is racist and caters to Latin ballplayers…
Where is this coming from? Seems completely random.
1. When did people insinuate that the Wilpons chose players based on religion?
2. When do newspapers or mainstream blogs accuse Omar or catering to Latin ballplayers? The only people who do that are ignorant commenters.
And those people REALLY bother you? Why do you care? I bet Omar doesn’t give a ****.
if you scroll up u’ll see some idiot who said that if Manny converted to judiasm, then the Wilpons would want him.
I saw that. I took it as a (stupid) joke. But I wasn’t offended, and I’m Jewish.
I think people just need to chill out. If something isn’t true, there’s no need to get worked up over it.
read back. A poster last night threw out the idea that the Wilpons would only sign Manny if he converted to Judaism. Seemed to have something to do with Shaun Greene (the ond one!)
That’s what my post below was related to.
Religion?? Maybe 20mil + might have something to do with not signing Manny. People will always seek an opportunity to show there are bigots and try to disguise it.
Good point. But, although the original post by GG certainly came out wrong, he did have a valid (but overlooked) point.
That is, no one really knows what the big issue is for the Wilpons (and I doubt with Manny that Omar gets to decide): the Money, or the attitude (aka Manny being Manny).
Probably some of each, but you can’t discount the Mets philosophy of having “good guys” on the team.
And of course, Manny converting to any particular religion isn’t going to automatically change the perception of having him on the team.
I also don’t blame ownership of any team for not wanting to add a player, at huge $$ commitment, that put himself above the team (quit on them) because he wasn’t happy with his contract.
The Dodgers knew they were going to get the best possible Manny. No team going forward knows what they will really be getting.
yes but the Manny that played in Boston last season put up better numbers than Beltran did and the Manny that played in LA put up Bonds like numbers
Just give the man his money, plain and simple.
Bring us Sheets and bring us MANNY and you are done Omar.
SIGN BEN SHEETS!!
Sheets is the type of pitcher that you take this gamble on. 2 yrs and $18M plus incentives is exactly what he should get in my opinion. The incentives should be able to get him up to the $15M range per if he makes them.
He should get a back loaded deal though with the issues we have on our Wagner money etc.
I’d tell Sheets that we will guarantee him the following deal
Year 1 – $6M guaranteed with $3M possible in incentives based on innings pitched and games started.
Year 2 – $11 – $12M guaranteed with $5m in incentives based on combined innings pitched and games started with last year
Option for $10M guaranteed with some incentives again for that 3rd year for more money. Option has to be earned also based on total innings pitched or games started in Year 2 only.
Get er Done
i wouldnt give Sheets the extra year. However 5 mil gauranteed is pretty low.
Sheets had a terrific year before getting hurt. I mean if the Mets were going to give Ollie 10, then Sheets is going to look for at least 12
Yes but if Manny starts being Manny (ie – quits on his team because he doesnt like his contract) , any decent numbers he puts up will be cancelled out by the negative publicity that the team will receive. its is the EXACT same argument you ALL have against singing Bonds.
think about it.
this was meeant as a response to:
oleosmirf says:
January 20, 2009 at 9:04 am
yes but the Manny that played in Boston last season put up better numbers than Beltran did and the Manny that played in LA put up Bonds like numbers
i would take manny being manny AN YTIME over the clutchless hitters we now have on the team
lol, over the chokers u mean!!
yea but negative publicitiy has no impact on what players do in the game
Bottom line is that If “Manny wants to be Manny” so what. He helps teams win, and thats the only thing that shoukd count at the ned of the day. The guy is a winner.
true dat bro
unless he is upset about his contract, and fakes an injury, refuses to play, or goes on strike (not running to first say) during a game.
Yeah, I can’t see why ownership of any team would care in the least about that!
Any publicity is good publicity. Manny won’t chase fans away, he will bring them.
Bonds brings more baggage than Louis Vuitton and can no longer play the field.
Bonds and Manny are two different cases.
If you are talking about somebody like Milton Bradley or something I could understand the fear in signing – he’s injury prone and a bomb waiting to explode.
If Manny starts being Manny:
1. his numbers are still double what Tatis/Murphy produce
2. Its entertaining
SIGN MANNY!!!
3. The Mets also WIN.
i rather put up with 56000 manny wears headphones in the outfield, and acts goofy headlines and a world series at the end year than one more friggin collapse story.
lol, so true
That is so true lol
Just an FYI last year we were #2 in the NL in the offense department behind the cubs…just for those who say manny is a NEED
I think that stat really does not say much. Sure we were #2 in runs scored, but we also could not score runs when we really needed to. So that stat really doesnt mean that much.
actually it means absolutely nothing
and apparently neither could the dodgers to go to the world series with manny….how do you know that manny would have gotten the “hit” that we needed to win the game…feel free to speculate all you want to and ill give you manny is clutch but the fact is manny was not here so we will never know if he would have gotten the “hit” we needed.
besides, in your scenerio, no one on the Mets other than Manny can get a clutch hit. So wouldn’t the other team just intentionally walk him every AB in a clutch situation?
did you watch the games last september?
yes i sure did and i saw our bullpen blow alot of games that had we held on…we would have been in the playoffs….
i just think that manny is needed, but if we get sheets and garland we’ll be fine by getting abreu or dunn.. on one year deal either one.. no more than that.. with that being said our offense is not the same, we need a different look coz is gonna seem to be the same game plan, score early and put it on cruise control the rest of the way, i know the bullpen is better but we can’t rely always on doing the same..
lol its the mets way alex..score points early and cruise control lol but this time we will be able to close down the game with a lead thanks to the upgrades omar did with the bullpen. Now like you said we need SP to get us through 6 or 7 and omar is working on it. I just have a problem when people say that the mets cannot win anything without manny and that if the mets dont get manny they are going nowhere.
If it’s true that the Mets are “thinking” 1 year, 5 mill guaranteed with incentives, they should just shoot themselves now.
Sheets is a much better pitcher than Brad Penny is. Stop nickel and dime-ing. Get this done.
i don’t get it, if they are planning to do this why didn’t they get penny then?? wow, all this ducking and dodgin the mets are doing are gonna back fire big time, is not like players are lining up and saying: “oh, after those 2 chokes i wanna play for the mets”.. gimme a f****g break!!
Come on Alex, you can’t believe that? Players don’t want to take more money, or play in NY, because the team fell 1 game short of the post season 2 years in a row, on the last day of the season?
I guess most players don’t want to be on a competitive team. that’s why all the FAs flock to sign with the Pirates and Royals. No pressure games ever!
stick guy,
u know what i meant.. nowadays is the most money, the players don’t care that’s what i meant..
here he goes again. omar will low ball the free agent and he will thus sign with sum1 willing to make a big league offer like a big league gm should
how is the negative pub from bonds any worse than the negative pub from manny? the red sox put this guy on waiver 2 of the last 3 years!
I dont think MAnny has ever punched or swung at a teammate in the dugout before. Thats the diff between Bonds and Manny.
yes he has, youkilis last year…
Youkilis deserved that. I heard he wouldn’t stop b***chi n g about the strike zone or something.
No, Manny just shoved a clubhouse attentant
Ok, so maybe Manny isn’t the most friendly of types. But hes still a beast.
Last I checked, Manny isn’t being investigated by the FBI for perjury.
Saint Manny!
if he leads this bunch of chokers to a title, i think that qualifies as a miracle
He’s going to choke Jay Horowitz? I thought he just pushed old men over. Guess he really is stepping up his game!
with the season on the line this was our batting order:
Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Delgado, Evans, Church, Ramon Martinez, Castro
how can anyone honestly be happy with that lineup???
That lineup woulda been perfectly fine if we had a half a$-s bullpen.
it really wouldn’t have been, it only scored us two runs
Vs. the cubs last week of the season, we scored, 5,6,6,7 runs in the 4 game series, how do we only win 2 of those games? And BARELY i might add.
are u serious Martinez and Evans dont even belong in the MLB let alone starting in a playoff game
come on, ramon martinez was tearing up the place that week!
half of that lineup couldn’t start for the B-Mets…
i know i wasn”t but i was happy not to see castillo there.. no, imagine this one,
Reyes, Beltran, Ramirez, Delgado,Wright, Church, schneider/Castro, pitcher, castillo….
the pitcher bats 9th unless the pitcher is a better hitter and Johan is an overrated hitter
but imagine having castillo follow by reyes, i rather take my chances with johan then castillo..
castillo will have at least 50 points higher than Johan
lol, .250!!! that’s what he’s gonna hit..
Didnt La Russa bat the pitcher in the 8th spot last year in a few games?
and how did that work for the Cardinals.
i can understand batting Zambrano or Willis or Hampton or Owings 8th but batting Pelfrey ahead of anyone is just idiotic.
as bad as Castillo was he does bat over 50 points higher than any pitcher on our team
ugh, and now we have another slappy in “ALEX CORA”.. jesus.. at this moment ramon martinez is my favorite player..
last comment on Manny.
Sign him, and you have a guy that is having his puppet strings pulled by Scott Boras.
Now that is a scary thought!
who cares? manny = WIN NOW
well thats good b/c the better Manny plays and acts, the more money Boras makes
not on whatever contract he signs (unless it is incentive laden).
well if Manny messes up with his new team he wont get a new 20 mil dollar contract. however if Manny goes out and puts up MVP type numbers again, then he and Boras will be getting more money
So the unhappy Manny led to 2 world series titles in Boston. Lets give this happy & unhappy Manny nonsense a break. It’s not like he bats lower than .250 when unhappy. On top of that, how many of us are unhappy with our own work place and do less work than needed or do things at work, that we’re not suppose to do. i.e. CHECKING BLOG SITES!!
If we are fans we should only care if the team wins, not if one guy is being an idiot. Heilman and Schoenweis were terrible, yet we still went to games and followed the team. The Mets have made 1000’s of moves that will always be put ahead of signing Manny.
The thing with Manny is that he’s a great hitter, but (1) Wilpons don’t want him (2) He’s probably looking for much more money than what Omar is willing to pay him and (3) He can be a distration for the team.
this team desperately needs a distraction from their past failures
I’m gonna be so upset watching Manny tear up the WBC while at the same time knowing that we didn’t even offer him a contract.
whats going to be more upseting is watching him bat .500 in the postseason for whatever team he signs with and us possibly not making the playoffs again.
or just as upsetting knowing that Manny will have more HR and RBI at the all-star break than our LF will have all season
Anybody have any idea how long Boras will drag this out? It’s been said that he is holding out for “another team” to realize what Manny could do for them and offer a better deal than the dodgers.
I’m thinking the mystery team has to be the Mets. I wonder how long they’ll be able to try and ignore this.
the longer it drags out the better. If we sign Sheets and all the other pitchers and other LF options sign elsewhere, Omar will be forced to at least inquire about Manny.
Speaking of the WBC…who starts at 3B? Wright or Longoria?
It will actually be Wright and Chipper starting at 3B for team USA.
dont tell Mike Fatcesa that Wright is starting over Longoria
Sheets should be the easiest decision that Omar and the Mets can make this offseason. Omar was able to sign K-Rod for very cheap, and steal JJ Putz from Seatle so far and now he has a chance to get one of the top pitchers in the sport for less than 10 mllion annualy??? Is this for real? Sheets should already be donning his Met jersey on the podium fielding questions from reporters. His only downside is injury risk. Without that he would be commanding much more than Burnett and Lowe money. Closer to CC Sabathia money would be more like it. He would have been signed by the Yanks already actually. Now he has to take a cheap deal and my guess is he will be out to prove he can stay healthy. We cant lose here! I say 2 years/20 mil guaranteed with 3rd year team option at 12 million. Incentives up to 3 million per based on innings and starts. Then go get Garland. He is a must since he is a 200 inning plus guaranteed guy that we need to back up Sheets in case of injury. Offer him 2 years at 7 million per. The best part for me is we get to say bye bye to Boras and Ollie.
What a surprise, we’re lowballing again.
If the Mets are gonna be serious about this they need to make him a legitimate offer. I understand their reluctance to give a pitcher with his injury history total guarantees but he remains a quality pitcher who will absolutely help a team this year…..sign him.
Everybody sing along to the tune of “Free Falling”. Cause “We’re LOW……..OW, LOW-BALLIN.
>1. When did people insinuate that the Wilpons chose players based on religion?
Read the quotes above mine
>2. When do newspapers or mainstream >blogs accuse Omar or catering to Latin >ballplayers? The only people who do that >are ignorant commenters.
Its been written in articles in the Daily News…the Post…Newsday…
>And those people REALLY bother you? Why >do you care? I bet Omar doesn’t give a ****.
Why do they bother me?
I guess because no one cries racism when the team is 90% white…but when its 50% white or 55% white…and 45 % latino…people come out the woodworks with the racist claims…
are hockey GM’s racist because most of the squad is white?
are basketball GM’s racist because most of the squad is black?
baseball is in a transition period…I would imagine basketball fans mightve been like this in the 60’s too…I just figure we were past that already…