On Friday night, SI.com said the Mets increased their initial offer to Oliver Perez, with whom they hoped to reach an agreement with during the next few days.
…from what i can gather, the Mets upped the offer by only enough money to slightly raise the annual salary… so, i’m guessing three-years, $32 million or so, maybe less, maybe more – instead of three years, $30 million… like i have said before, i believe Mets have no intention of paying perez more than $12 million per season… like i have said before, i bet they knock down the annual salary, while adding a fourth year, before raising the annual salary above $12 million…
…also, while they’d like to sign him sooner than later, they’re comfortable waiting for his decision, since, the word from around baseball suggests Randy Wolf, Ben Sheets and Jon Garland will not make a decision until perez makes a decision…
…in the end, i bet the Mets best offer to perez is something like three years and $11 million per season, with a fourth-year team option and a buyout, though that’s a total guess…
…and i can live with this… i’d still prefer sheets… and i hope there is a way to sign both… but, like i said over the weekend, on a deal like this, if perez is a bust, if the Mets eat some money, there will always be a team willing to take on a 29–year-old, left-handed 
pitcher with potential earning less-than $10 million per season with just two years left on the deal… but, at $15 million each of four seasons, perez would be dead weight…
Speaking of Sheets…
The Orioles are not interested in signing Sheets, reports MASN.
T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com writes, “A marriage (between Sheets and the Rangers) may seem inevitable, but the process is moving slowly and a resolution is not likely to come about anytime soon.”
According to Sullivan, “The Rangers remain deeply concerned about the medical reports.”
The Star-Telegram explains that an MRI from last September revealed a tear in a muscle near his right elbow.
…the buzz in new york last week suggested the Mets were comfortable with his medical reports, though that is admittedly vague… the thing with sheets is that, even if he delivers 20 top-quality starts, that’s three months or so of having both him and Johan Santana in the rotation, which is worth considering…
…however, like i said last week, the Mets are not likely to give a two-year deal to sheets, which is what he is said to be seeking… naturally, that second year will be the sticking point with whomever he is negotiating with…
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It’s not like the Mets would get 20 quality starts from Ollie.
Like I said last week in a comment, Ollie delivered 17 quality starts ast year. And like I said last week in another comment, Sheets is the better option. And like I said the other day….oh wait, I keep saying that.
Sorry just channeling Matt, who (over) used that phrase 3 times in this latest post. Time to find new phrases.
Trust me, the corporate suits who now run this blog will notice.
lol, its funny how peple think ollie is the answer. he is #3 AT BEST. inconsistent, the worst mechanics in mlb, and a bit of a headcase. sign sheets or garland. and of course, SIGNING MANNY IS A MUST.
lol, didn’t read ur post at first.. agree wit you in all points but nostra, as we get nearer P & C, is obvious we won’t sign manny man.. i’m getting less and less convince it will happen..
If you sign sheets, you need to sign Garland. if you only sign sheets come september your looking at a rotation of Johan, Pelf, possibly maine, then redding garcia. You could even realistically have Johan, Pelf, Redding Garcia and Neise, and another september collapse.
as we stand signing all those guys we’ve had that’s what i fore see..
that’s why manny is so important (regardless the likely pitching scenarios)…insurance against another season fizzle.
Even with manny, a september rotation of Johan, Pelf, Redding, Garcia, Neise would collapse. I don’t care if your lineup had Manny, Teix, Hamilton, Kingsler, Martin in it. Pitching wins.
Manny would be nice. But he’s not the season breaker.
Sign Sheets, or Garland. Keep Pedro, and yes, of course, sign MANNY!
They will notice if he ever becomes his own man again.
The only time Sheets had 20 or more quality starts in a season was 2004.
In fact, the last two years, Ollie has 1 more quality start than Sheets. And last season, Sheets had just 1 more quality start than Ollie.
Sheets is the better pitcher now, but injury risk remains a real concern, especially after reading the latest articles from the Dallas papers.
Omar is playing this perfectly IMO, if all the info given in Matt’s post is correct.
at the end of the day i would rather pay this guy than ollie.. he’s a mental case, but i won’t mind him after we sign sheets..
alex, Sheets is more consistent than Ollie and right now the better pitcher. And he’s still young too.
But those reports in the Dallas papers this weekend were worrisome. Jason Jennings had a torn flexor tendon and has only pitched like 8 games in the last 18 months. Didn’t Victor Zambrano also have a torn flexor tendon?
It’s really up to the doctors to call this one and I trust Omar is doing due diligence here.
i agree… and disagree.. watch the rangers picked him up and the excuse will be “um.. you know, he wasn’t the best choice for us.. .. then we sign ollie for like 3 years 40 millions
Perez is inconsistent-we know what he is. Also, who the heck are the Mets bidding against. It’s not like there are multiple teams bidding for his services.
Sign Sheets and get Manny and get the season started.
If there’s a team who take him why don’t any of them have interest in him now?
Also why in the world are we bidding against ourselves? We didn’t up our offer when the Braves starting going after Lowe, why up our offer to Perez when no one is going after him and Sheets is still on the market.
The bid against themselves cause they need a lefty more than anything right now. The two best left handed SP’s out there are Perez and Wolf. Wolf is not that good. I don’t mind Wolf if they also sign Sheets but I don’t see that happening. Unless I’m wrong about that and the Mets do sign both Sheets and Wolf they have to get Perez.
They do not “NEED” a LHSP. They NEED quality innings.
You have Niese in waiting, HOPEFULLY ready by next year.
This handedness debates have gotten on my nerves this offseason.
TRS 100% agree. You only need one lefty starter in your rotation, and one Lefty in the bullpen. You already have your Lefty in the rotation in Johan, so another isn’t necessary, same with the bullpen and feliciano. Look at last season with Feliciano and Show. Both were great against lefties, but were awful against righties. No need for 2.
To the RF bat argument. When you look at the lineup, you don’t need a RH bat. The top 1-6 right now switch perfectly because of Reyes and Beltran being switch hitters. So the NEED for a RH bat is over-blown. The spot where it’s a concern is from #6(church) through #8 on most days will be Lefty Lefty Lefty. Other then that it’s Switch, L/R, R. L, switch. Not a real big concern.
And days against a LH starter hopefully Schnieder won’t be in there.
Reyes, Murphy, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Church, Castro, Castillo is very balanced.
If you add a LF that is LH then they either batt in the 2nd spot or Church does and they bat 6th. Not a big deal.
IF Church struggles then you have Tatis in RF hitting 6th that day.
Completely agree with both of you on the “handedness” thing….and even if we get Dunn, he bats 2nd between SH Jose and RH Wright and SH Beltran, which works beautifully…..
Sorry but I disagree with you regarding the need for a RH bat. As of now they have Wright, beltran and reyes-that’s it. Way too over the top LH at this stage. more importantly and RBI bat is needed-if Delgado goes south we are in a huge hole.
I appreciate the prospect of Murphy in LF but he played about 60 games? Remember magadan and jefferies-they were also can’t miss but theyr never really delivered what we thought. Tatis – he was also there about 60 games or so-let’s see what he is with 400 ABs. Sorry we don’t match up with the Phils- the leaders – at all. Don’t see how we have improved this year except for the bullpen.
okay fine, but this particular LHSP (Ollie) is very good against the phillies. last year,, 4 starts, 0.35 era against them.
Agreed he was terrific against the Filthy’s. But we don’t play the Filthy’s 162 times. We play then 19 times. That’s where the concern with Ollie comes in He was great in the bigger games, He was awful against San Francisco, Seattle, Washington, Pittsburgh. But he was Great against the Yankee’s, Atlanta, and Philly.
You can’t get into the Yankee’s vs. Boston Mindset and completely gear your team to face one opponent. You have 162 games, 11% of which are against Philly.
Though I am for Ollie being signed, for a multitude of reasons. Him being a Lefty isn’t the top one, but him being the best and Healthiest player on the market is. I want Absolutely no part of Wolf or Pedro. If you sign sheets, Ollie or Garland is a MUST.
I wouldn’t put Wolf and Perez as “great” lefties and Wolf is well below Perez. Mets don’t need a lefty starter, they need guys that will be competitive week in, week out against any team not get knocked out in the 1st inning giving up 3 – 4 runs and 5 walks because a lack of focus.
If the Mets give Perez a 4 year deal, they better put Ollie must see a head doctor to focus.
I don’t understand why the Mets feel the need to bid against themselves unless they really feel there is another team none of us are aware of.
At this point they are not bidding against themselves, they are bidding against time.
They won’t big time overpay, just try and meet in the middle.
I don’t understand why they need to up their bid when no other team is bidding.
Same reason you don’t wait out arbitration usually. If they were far apart, wait it out. Like they were with Lowe. But if it’s 1-2 million or another year with less per year then just get it done so they can move on to other things.
We thought nobody was on Lowe also.
How did that go.
Just get it done…now
Actually you make a good point…. For the other side. That actually turned out rather well. The Braves overpaid big time in money and in years.
I don’t think the Braves overpaid at all, they’re basically paying 3 million more, or so, per year than what we look like we’re going to be paying Ollie and I would say Lowe is way better than Ollie. If number 1’s get 21-23 million on the open market then I would say #2/3s like Lowe definitely deserve 14-15 million.
Also we heard about the Braves interest in Lowe before he signed, it’s not like they swooped out of no where in the final hour, their interest was reported like 2-3 days before he was signed.
Gina,
Your pretty right on, but Lowe is nowhere near the worth 15 mil per season. You realize he is now the 8th highest paid pitcher in baseball. 8. and i can name 8 starting pitchers easily better then he is.
He is not a #2, he’s a #3. And a 4 year deal to a 36 year old has never worked out. We should know first hand…cough cough glavine. Is he better then Ollie on a consistency basis this coming season… possibly, arguably he might not be outside dodger stadium, and 15 games against the powerhouse NL West. Wait until he has 12 head to head match-ups with the #2, #3 and #5 offenses in the NL and not the #9, #10, last #16 and next to last #15.
Delgado is one of the highest paid first basemen in the league and I can name a crapload of first basemen better than him. The way you’re looking at it is flawed because most of the best pitchers in baseball are young and still under team control, plus there’s major inflation in baseball from year to year if a guy like Lincecum hit the open market he would get way more than 15 million, probably more than 22 million. Same with Greinke, and King Felix and Hamels and so on. That doesn’t mean Lowe should get less when he hits the open market. if a #1 pitcher is worth 22-23 million on the open market then 15 million, nearly 8-7 million less per is right around what a guy like Lowe should be making. Ollie is more like a #4 and he’s looking at making 10-12 million. Why wouldn’t a number 3 make 3 or so million more?
Also over the last few years he’s had that many match ups against top NL offenses, his numbers are still pretty consistent against them.
Gina his road ERA the last 3 seasons is over 4. His ERA last season against the NL East are:
In Very limited action he has had ups and downs. Last year Against the Marlins he got shelled in 5 innings, same with philly, didn’t pitch against the mets. 2007 against ht mets he went 4 innings and gave up 8 ER. He was ok against Philly and Fla (3 ER in 6+ innings). 2006 he was solid against all three.
He has been up and down. But all 3 years his Numbers were very padded by his starts vs the NL west. His era was over 3 against those teams twice in 3 seasons.
Come on, 15 million a year for him is/was ridiculous. Especially for 4 years. I for one am 100% glad to see him go at that price. Even if it is to Atlanta. for one he isn’t that good. 2 he’s old. 3 4 years was way to long. 4. 15 mil was way to much. 5 in 2 years he will be getting destroyed.
Lets see how he plays out in the NL East.
Gina, only a few make 22-23 million and that is for the really “ace” pitchers. You might expect to pay a premium for an “ace” pitcher, especially if a NY club is involved as was the case for Santana and CC.
But look at Halliday and Carpenter. Both of them are/were far better pitchers than Lowe and much younger when they signed much less lucrative contracts.
IMO, the Braves overpaid a lot for Lowe both in terms of money and years, especially considering his age.
Derek Lowe didn’t get “shelled” v. Philly last year. He gave 3 runs and 6 baserunners in 6.1 innings. So basically, he gave you Ollie’s average performance but an extra 2/3 of an inning over Ollie’s average length.
Thanks for the correction Whalley. I got lost looking at the list. I was hoping one site out there would break out stat’s by division’s. But nothing i found on Yahoo, CBS, ESPN, had anything broken out by Division.
I would love to know Lowe’s stats against the NL EAST, The NL Central, The AL as opposed to the NL West.
Gina, I agree with you. As has been hashed and rehashed, he’s a durable groundball guy, and those tend to age gracefully. A couple more million per than Ollie will get is totally reasonable. Maybe the Braves overpaid, but I don’t think it was drastic at all. They’ll probably get three pretty good years from him (as-suming their infield D is strong), and the 4th…who knows? I would’ve done that in Omar’s place, esp considering Maine’s who-knows status.
Carver Halladay and Carpenter didn’t hit the open market, the Cards and Blue Jays bought out their last few years of arbitration. So it’s not the same thing. I have no doubt if Halladay hit the open market this off-season he would have gotten at minimum 19-20 million.
Baseball-reference doesn’t give you a divisional breakdown but it does go team-by-team and has composite interleague splits within.
By the way, Lowe’s career numbers are very good against Philly. At least some of his total numbers date back to interleague because he has a couple of saves in there.
Funny how so many sad the ame thing about Derek Lowe. Why are we bidding against ourselves. WHOOPS. Maybe Omar ain’t bidding against himelse. When will people try a new line. The site is a broken broken record.
I would as sume that there are other teams interested at 3/30
I would go 4/36 with some incentives. That’s not a bad deal.
gina – i think its probably omar just wanting to get it done asap. maybe because he wants to upgrade the offense too? or the braves scared him and he doesn’t want to let that happen again.
I think you are right, it’s like arbitration. Look, if we wait it out we will most likely win but that could take forever. How about we meet in the middle. Which one do you want 3/33 or 4/38?
I would take 3/33 – 36 mil over adding a fourth year. I’m just not as in love with him as much as Omar and fans who like him. If the Mets get him, I will be crossing my fingers we see the good Perez.
But that’s it. It’s either 3/33 or 4/38. You are getting that last year for 5 million.
TRS,
Last year for 5M? I don’t get it. Don’t players salaries alway increase from year to year any way during the course of a contract?
It would be spread out so it is more in the last year. He is saying if you add a 4th year +5 million your basically adding a year at 5 mil. His salary will be something like 9-9.5-9.75-9.75…. something like that. but the additional deal is only costing 5 mil more.
No and no.
I was not talking about that anyway.
I am saying that if you go 4 years 38 milion you are only paying 5 million more than 3/33. Thus you are getting an extra year for only 5 million more.
Your contract would look something like 4 years 9.5 a year.
TRS that’s what i was trying to say. Guess it got jumbled in my post. I know you didn’t mean his 4th season he would make 5 million. But your adding 5 million for an additional season.
And I would sign him for 4 years. Unless he is completely useless, you can always trade him when his salary is very reasonable in 2-3 years.
So sweet. I’ll cross my fingers that Omar gets fired and the Wilpons get ponzied again so we get a good front office.
If he wants to upgrade the offense then I understand. But if we’re going to bid against ourselves just to sign Ollie a week early and do nothing else then I don’t.
It’s clear that it’s holding up everything. Maybe they sign Sheets then, maybe Abreu. Maybe they make a trade. But I don’t think he moves on until Sheets or Perez are signed.
Who knows, I’m on the fence about whether to gamble on a very inconsistant pitcher that has trouble focusing against bad to average teams or have a injury prone pitcher. I’d rather take my chance with Sheets because he is an ace for one year. Perez will have that “left handed potential” label on him for awhile.
In a perfect world, we could get both and I hope we do. Mets need a #2 pitcher which Sheets is and a #3 pitcher which Perez is, probably hovering between a #3 – #4 type pitcher. That pushes Maine towards the backend of the rotation and he can take his time learning and getting over his injuries.
If Maine is any higher than a #4 starter I will have concerns about the rotation. I will trust that Pelfrey will improve on last season and learn about himself and what he should and shouldn’t throw.
3 years 30 millions and a personal Psychiatrist…
10 years 10 million and an extra million every time he makes it past the 5th inning. So 10 year’s 15 million total.
lol, jesus.. i tell you, this offer was upon becoz they’re getting worried about someone come in and swoop him in kinda like lowe.. but to be honest, i DON’T CARE!!
Alex,
I wouldn’t have cared, but i don’t want Wolf or Pedro in the rotation. So unless your going to sign Sheets and Garland, then Ollie is pretty important.
Because with Sheets you need a work-horse like Garland to take the 32 starts. Especially on the Break-down news from Maine. This would leave the September rotation of Johan, Pelf, Redding, Garcia, Neise.
Ha!!
Good one….
If the pitching hungry Rangers are concerned enough about Sheets are that they are not signing him (and assuming that is not just a ploy to get him at a basement price), I think the Mets and other teams should be similarly concerned.
If there is in fact a tear, then there are only so many pitches left in that elbow. I would rather sign Sheets only if very little is guaranteed but would be willing to provide very healthy incentives.
After all, if Sheets can not pitch at all, why should a team pay him cash at all. Its not like the Mets or any team but Milwaukee have gotten value from him.
Give Sheets 2 million up front.
Then 1.5 million for each 25 innings that he pitches up to 175 innings, and then 1.5 million for each 10 innings that he pitches after that, but with a cap of 20 million.
If he pitches only 25 innings, he would earn 3.5 million.
… 50 innings, 5 million.
… 75 innings, 6.5 million.
…. 100 innings, 8 million.
… 125 innings, 9.5 million.
… 150 innings, 11 million.
… 175 innings, 12.5 million.
… 185 innings, 14 million.
… 195 innings, 15.5 million.
… 205 innings, 17 million.
… 215 innings, 18.5 million.
… 225 innings, 20 million.
I think if the Mets got 225 innings out of Sheets they would be happy to spend 20 million on a true ace. At the same time, they are protected if Sheets fails miserably. If you think 20 million is too hight, then knock down the 1.5 escalators to an amount that works better, though I think it would be fair.
My point of course is that the Mets should be willing to pay Sheet top dollar for what he should give, but the Mets at the same time should be protected if Sheets pulls a Mo Vaughn.
EXACTLY!!!
that’s why i would have no problem with a two year incentive laden offer that could go anywhere from 5-6mil. to 14-15mil. per year.
Sheets should grab Manny on the way here. lol
Guys you are going to have to reply to the bottom post if you want to post something new. Comment section is messed up again.
Anyway. I see no harm is signing Garland right now and then puting out an offer to Perez and Sheets and say take it or leave it. 1st one gets it.
I saw over the weekend that Garland’s market may be 1 year for $5–6 mil? If this is the case, man we should sign him NOW!!
Agreed, sign him for 2/12. That should get him. He would be bery tradeable next year at 6 million if we did not need him.
Garland is who I was refering to. This is going to be a long day on here.
too long, everything is repeated and nothing new. We all know who we want and what Matt posts.
Good idea. You get what you pay. I want garbage just like you. If we start to be bad in April we won’t chole in September. Will you be the GM please?
Perez at 3 years, $33M
or
Sheets at 2 years, $18M
and
Garland at 3 years, $15M
I think the combo is achievable, and safer with more upside.
Garland would want more at least 7 mil, you might see some of these guys sign Loshe deal and hope next year is a better market.
The Mets have no desire to improve anything other than the bullpen. That’s really not fair to us Met fans..
What he wants and what he gets offered are always 2 different stories. It’s not unlike your life. You would love to make a million dollars a year. Your boss and the company you work for thinks otherwise. So you make your salary or go someplace else that might think you are worth that.
If Ollie signs for 10 mil per or less, Garland and Wolf aren’t getting much more then 6-9.
2 years and 22 millions.. that should be the first offer..
Ollie’s not going to take that. He will get at least 3 years. He knows he can get 3/30 so why would he take 2/22?
i meant sheets.. sorry wasn’t more specific.
Good offer.
what about the possible elbow tear?
Insurance on Ben Sheets would cost more than his salary.
lol, good one.. u also meant “should”.. regardless of how good he is he’d be in the DL.. but i rather be in july and no september..
Boras wouldn’t be meeting in the middle if he had the leverage. Minaya shouldn’t feel rushed, the season doesn’t start next week. If another team isn’t involved there’s no reason to up the offer.
In a perfect world we would get both Ollie and Sheets and Fernando Martinez would be ready for prime time in left field.
It’s only Wilpon money and Minaya patience that will get us both Ollie and Sheets. I’m still thinking that Pedro is looming as the alternative to Sheets. So we need to let this play out down to the last moment for both to be affordable.
I went down to last year’s spring training and was super-impressed with Martinez. They are talking about moving him up to AAA this season which could lead to a mid-June call-up.
Let’s not forget that we still need to get rid of Schneider and get a real catcher who doesn’t tip his pitches. This week will be quite interesting as Omar gets ready for Port St. Lucie.
Pedro Martinez as looming scares me as Martinez shouldn’t be looked at anything more than another candidate for the #5 starter.
Sign Pedro. He deserves it.
Again, I would put out our final offer to Perez. Tell him it will go down if we sign another pitcher.
Then put out and offer to Garland and Sheets.
not only am i bother by this, but i’m sure that some how 33 millions can get us sheets AND garland for less headaches and 3 years..
The only way I’d be ok with Perez is that Sheets, Garland or a trade is coming with him. Omar Minaya in his right mind couldn’t think because he signs Oliver that he will all of a sudden regain his focus and be Randy Johnson like does he?
Omar is not paying Oliver Perez to be “so-so” anymore and for teammates to call Perez out for his lack of focus or give up 6 – 7 walks and 2 innings of work.
Well, if we’re lucky you won’t get your way and you’ll root for someone else for now on.
I love the Mets.
Haha! Me too…
Great post Eddie, we need more just like this one!
Hmmmm…didn’t they say “by the end of the weekend” they wanted it resolved. Why do they set these arbitrary deadlines? To look foolish when Boras out waits them?
no matter what pitcher we sign next. its gonna be a gamble. personally, i feel i would get more bang for my buck with Sheets. but their all crap shoots right now.
Agreed, none of the options are that thrilling at this point but Sheets for one year sounds better to me.
Deep man, deep.
Please stop writing the words, “Like I have said before…” You don’t have to keep reminding us that you write the same stuff over and over. We read it over and over. That’s enough of a reminder.
Give Ollie a deadline to sign, or pull the offer and move on. We are running out of time to sign other pieces of the puzzle to make us world champions again. We can’t afford to wait any longer! All the other pieces will be signed, and we will be left with nothing, or maybe that’s what Omar wants. Sign Sheets and get Manny already.
Up to now, Omar is playing the market perfectly IMO.
It was not worth overpaying Lowe the way the Braves did. You watch. His ERA will rise a lot this year and he will continue to decline from years 2-4 of that contract.
Omar has only upped the offer to Ollie a little. So if he is bidding against himself, it’s not the same as the way the Braves did.
He should continue to play chicken with Boras/Ollie. It’s still a long way to the start of the season and they don’t need to complete the rotation till then.
I’m patient. I hope the Mannyacs will be too, lol.
All us Mannyacs know he wants to be a Met. But he won’t wait around forever.
What makes you think he’s waiting on us? As far as the general public knows there’s only bee one offer made to him and that was way back in the beginning of the off-season from the Dodgers?
If he was talking about Manny, well I don’t think there is any real information out there that says he wants to be a Met.
I don’t think Manny cares what team he plays for as long as it’s somewhat competitive. His main goal is money. He’s a perfect Boras client but Boras may end up screwing him in the end. Just like he screwed Variitek.
Who wants to be a Met? Ollie?
I was talking about Olllie.
If you’re talking about Manny, like I said to Gina, there is no evidence that he ever wanted to be a Met. All he cares about is money now.
And I doubt he’ll be gone soon cause no one wants him at his price. I predict if Colletti doesn’t budge, Manny will be sitting out at least the start of the season.
I bet you don’t care one bit about money, do you…..?
Everyone cares at least “one bit” about money.
But few are as money-obsessed/hungry as certain Boras clients. Not all of them, but a lot of them.
Or maybe these players are just uber stupid/arrogant — like Manny, Varitek and A-Rod.
I’ve copyrighted the term “Mannyacs”. If you’re going to use the term, put a (c) after it or I’ll get my lawyers after you.
LOL, case, yes I took it from you.
I was not trying to steal it from you, honest!
It describes the crazy manny-lovers perfectly.
I did use the term over the weekend, as it is perfect and hilarious, but I gave you full credit….I forgot the (c) though….can my lawyers have a one-time exception from any sanctions please?
I agree. Lowe might turn out to have a better year than Ollie, but I think that will only be the initial year. I can’t see how 4 years for Lowe was any kind of bargain. Too old. We’ve been down that road before with older and or broken down pitchers. I perfectly understand the mindset for preferring Ollie.
And please go look at his Road ERA over the last 4 seasons.
2008 – 4.42
2007 – 4.19
2006 – 4.13
2005 – 3.48
So one would A-s-sume his ERA would now be different not pitching in the very pitcher friendly Dodger stadium.
I’m trying to find Lowe’s stats against Divisions, but and coming up blank. If anyone can find those and post them that would be great. I would be inclined to think his ERA against the NL East is awful, while his ERA against the NL West is marvelous.
Lowe has a pretty good ERA over the last 3 years against NL East clubs, with the exception of the Mets. In both the regular season and NLDS the Mets easily handled him.
But I believe that Lowe’s overall numbers have been helped by Dodgers stadium a lot and are in for a decline this year. Not just because of the park factors but also because of his age and the fact that it won’t be a walk year.
Carver, I agree.
I just was scouring the web looking for someone or somewhere where i could find a site that broke Split Stats down by divisons.
I would like to know over the last 3 years Lowe’s splits vs the NL East, NL West, NL Central, and the AL ball clubs.
I would bet the NL West is such a difference from the rest. And he faces hem for half his starts. That division has been offensively challenged for the last 5 years.
You can basically go to any sports site, espn, yahoo sports etc, or baseball reference to find the splits. I could calculate it for you but I’m in cla-ss so it would be a few hours.
Yeah they break out the teams. I am at work and can’t sit here and calculate the combined stats for a few seasons.
I was hoping one site out there would do it for me. Sometimes the internet isn’t perfect.
lets sign Garland (inning eater) for 6 mill
Then get MANNY
Man this is tough. Ollie and Sheets would be great, but if we get Sheets I’d be happy with Garland or Wolf.
I’ll be glad when it’s over. Let’s Go Mets!
the way i see it is that we have two options
-sign ollie
or
-sign garland/wolf and sheets
i dont really see ollie and sheets as on option because i dont think that the mets are willing to spend that much on pitching..they are so high on ollie anyway they probably think he will be a solid #3 which is crazy
Doc replied LOL
No one knows what Im talking about???
Oliver 3 years 12 mil and Sheets 1 year 9 mil the second year is incentive laden and he can earn up to 17 mil if he stays healthy the first year and pitches a certain amount of innings. Say between 180 – 200 innings.
That way it gives the Mets a chance not to go over budget and have guys come off the books next year.
Trade Schnieder and Church/Murphy for a SP and sign Manny?
What pitcher would they get?
Also a commenter on another mets blog broke this down and yesterday and basically unless Manny will take much less than 20 million per, in order to get more years than what the Dodgers are offering, there’s no way we could afford him, or at least not have him and stay under the luxury tax. We have a lot of contracts that will either be escalating or expiring and will need to be replaced, and players who are in arbitration years and will have their salaries increasing by a lot over the 3 years. There’s no way, with all those increases, with replacing players and with a contract like 20+ million per we could stay under the luxury tax.
offer sheets
1 year starting at 8 mil with incentives to 18 mil and a second year option
if he dont wanna pitch in a big city then let him walk and go to texas where he wont win
Great another day of messed up comments.
HELP MATT< PLEASE.
The posts aren’t any more messed up than the boring, redundant, meaningless posts from Matt. He has become quite the yes man, don’t you think.
Sheets for 16 mil/2yrs plus incentives with a 3rd vesting at 350 innings at 12 mil. With Sheets signed Perez has no leverage, 33 mil/3 yrs max. If not, then sign Garland. Love the rotation at Santana, Sheets, Pelfrey, Maine, Garland/Perez with Garcia/Redding/Niese if hit with an injury. Upgrade offense if Wilpon approves an increase in budget. I still like overpaying for Manny for 2 yrs at 60 mil. Make him the highest paid player in baseball and he will play. I do not want him for 2 yrs at 50 mil because he won’t be happy and it will show on the field.
Perez at 3 years – $33M
or
Sheets at 2 years $18M
and
Garland at 3 years $15M
I think the Sheets/Garland combo is do-able and safer with more up-side.
What’s with this board? Time posted are mixed up
Sheets for 16 mil/2yrs plus incentives with a 3rd vesting at 350 innings at 12 mil. With Sheets signed Perez has no leverage, 33 mil/3 yrs max. If not, then sign Garland. Love the rotation at Santana, Sheets, Pelfrey, Maine, Garland/Perez with Garcia/Redding/Niese if hit with an injury. Upgrade offense if Wilpon approves an increase in budget. I still like overpaying for Manny for 2 yrs at 60 mil. Make him the highest paid player in baseball and he will play. I do not want him for 2 yrs at 50 mil because he won’t be happy and it will show on the field.
I really don’t understand why Mets front office is hesitant in giving 2 year contract to Sheets. If you weigh risk/reward factor, reward is much more greater than risk taken. Johan and Sheets will be one of the best 1-2 punch!
Why not put out an offer for both Ollie and Sheets. If they have 20 mil to spend, they can sign both Ollie and Sheets
For all those Mannyacs (c) in Mannyland (c), how would you solve the problems with the rotation? And how much would you pay Manny?
This is very confusing.
Manny solves the problems, because his career BA w/RISP is .912….Manny’s career BA late/close is .943.
We can have Nino Espinosa, Ray Burris, and Mike Bruhert starting and it will not matter, as Manny’s teams have averaged 12.3 runs every year of his career.
Acting…brilliant…thank you!
winner!
LOL
Again, I ask, why does everyone want Garland? He’s no better than Tim Redding at this point…
I think it’s a matter of stability. Garland has made at least 32 starts every season since he first did it in 2002. Are they awe inspiring starts? No, but he takes a load off of your organization by creating roster stability and bullpen rest. Every 5th game an organization can be pretty confident that he’s going to take the ball. Plus, although Garland’s career WHIP and ERA are not great, they are better than Redding’s.
I like Sheets as much as anyone else. But I won’t blame Omar for pa$$ing on him if his MRI reveals a tear near the elbow.
One things that none of the Manny obsessed people talk about is the fact that he didn’t like playing in Boston because he couldn’t go out in public and didn’t like dealing with the media. Read TJ Simers’ column from the Fall in the L.A. Times regarding Manny’s thoughts on Boston. There are many quotes in there that indicate that Manny would be miserable in NY.
With the signing of Garcia I believe this means Perez or Sheets will sign, not both. I believe Mets has hopes for Garcia to make the rotation and Redding in the wing with Niese getting another year in AAA.
I like the idea of Sheets but with Mets luck we’ll sign him and he doesnt pitch past May.
The Mets have no desire to improve anything else besides the bullpen. That isn’t fair to us Mets fan’s…
That makes sense.
I think somone else mentioned this but the reason they would be hesitant to give him a 2 year contract is because of the shoulder issues. my problem with this is that I think 20 starts from Sheets + adding someone like Garland or Wolf, and maybe moving Redding/Garcia into the bullpen, is still better than just a full year of Ollie.
The comment errors are so odd.
If we sign Ollie can we include a set of incentives? Is that a non-starter with Boras? I’m thinking the first incentive to include is a bonus if he reduces his walks per nine innings below ___/9. We could offer a series of thresholds where he makes more money if he walks less batters. Who knows, maybe $$$’s will improve his focus.
Another thing is, one way or the other we’ve got to get him to find a counselor or guru who can help him find his way back when he gets into the fog he seems to find himself in sometimes. Don’t laugh, that’s just what some guys need!
The perfect situation would be for the Mets to sign both Oliver Perez and Ben Sheets or Randy Wolf. As inconsistent as Perez has been he has been good against our biggest rivals. He is also still young enough to improve..we all know how good he can be when he is on..also how bad he can be. Sheets is an ace caliber pitcher when he is out there..and the 198 innings last year is an encouraging sign to me at least. Randy Wold if that was the option is really nothing more than a #3 or 4 guy that gives us innings and strikes out his fair share of batters.
I would offer Oliver Perez 4 years 40 -42 mil
Ben Sheets 2 years 20 mil with incentives and maybe a vesting 3rd year option.
Randy Wolf a 1 year deal for 8 mil or a 2 year 15 mil deal tops. Any combination of 2 of these 3 would be nice..I am just not sure how realistic it is at this point. It seems to me like Omar is looking to add 1 more starter and maybe a bullpen arm. Hopefully we get more.
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