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Buster Olney of ESPN.com believes free-agent OF Bobby Abreu is now willing to accept a one-year deal.
Olney speculates that the Mets, Braves, Angels, Giants and Red Sox could have interest in Abreu.
…watch the Braves, actually, as there has been more and more buzz of late linking abreu to Atlanta… also, the Angels make a lot of sense as well…
…i am no fan of abreu, but for a one-year deal, worth less than $10 million, he has to be considered by the Mets, and i am sure he will be… however, i am not sure who would move to left, him or Ryan Church, and i have no idea what would happen to Daniel Murphy… unless, of course, the Mets traded Carlos Delgado, which is not likely to happen…
Meanwhile, the Washington Post quotes an agent who feels free-agent OF Adam Dunn may be forced to accept a one-year deal worth, at most, $5 million.
The agent is quoted as saying, ‘I feel comfortable saying that no big market team seems like a true, head-over-heels suitor.’
…ok, now this is getting ridiculous… i realize people have polarizing views of dunn, and that people in baseball are not very excited about him, but, folks, 40 HR, 100 RBI and a .380 OBP, regardless of his strike outs and defense, is border-line robbery for a team like the Mets… yet, there is still no indication he is on their radar…
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pretty sure abreu’s a lefty
I really would rather not see Abreu running around clueless in RF… especially the way Citifield is rumored to be a launching pad towards right/right-center. Beltran is gonna be a god-send this year in CF.
Dunn is intriguing however I just saw on MLB Network that his career Avg with RISP is something like .228… do we really need another bat like that?
I keep reading some version of “I hear it’s going to be a launching pad” around here, but the only analysis I’ve seen is that one that sates the opposite (”baseball’s next grand canyon”)…where is everyone getting the launching pad notion from?
I read that article, it was very intriguing, with the wall depth/height combo, HR distance study, and prevailing wind analysis. I’m very interested to see the actual park in play, and see what the real world results are. If that article turns out to be true, Citi will be less of a homer park than Shea ever was, but perhaps more conducive to doubles and triples. Jose Reyes could have some sick triples numbers.
If that report’s right, no DOUBT Jose would be in line for some record-breaking stats. I can’t wait to see it either. Opening day can’t get here fast enough (esp on a crap winterslush day like this)
toogr8,
Keep in mind that Dunn is only a career .247 hitter. So his seemingly low RISP avg shouldn’t scare an intelligent baseball exec. Also, his OBP is RISP situations … a pretty good .416
Dunn would be the perfect 4 or 5 hitter on the Mets. His plate appearances almost always have one of three outcomes, a line drive hit, a deep fly ball (which usually carries for a HR) or a strikeout. The guy rarely hits ground balls. Which means few double plays. Yes, he strikes out a lot, but when he makes contact, if there are speedy runners in scoring position he is very likely to at least move them along.
Abreu hit LH better than RH last year and has always had good splits. He could bat middle handed as far as I am concerned.
Besides Manny there is not a better fit. Abreu batting 2nd in this lineup makes it MUCH better and deeper all around.
Last I checked Abreu hits from the left side. He’d still be a good pickup for a year. Nice number 2 hitter: high OBP, some speed and pop.
Abreu is indeed a lefty hitter.
abreu bats lefty
go sign dunn
I would definitely take Dunn over Abreu, especially for a 1 year deal worth $5-10M.
abreu’s lefty matt, I’ll chalk that one up to lack of sleep last night.
if im getting a lefty on the cheap I would much prefer Dunn, who is not afraid of walls and hits 40 homers and drives in 100 runs every year…and yes….bobby abreu is very much a lefty
Um, watching Abreu he is defenitely not affraid of the walk either as his OBP is also very high.
BTW – there is no reason why any team, especially the Mets can’t find an excuse to steal Dunn if he’s only rumored to get a 1 year deal at 5 million.
i’d give him a 2 year deal and pencil him in at first in 2010…and if he dirties the bed in his opportunity, let him go..if he does well, u have in the inside track on signing him…
2 years 9.5-11.5 mil would get him here..u cant argue with that
Good thought. I keep thinking about Muphy at first next year though. Holliday in LF…..via obscene trade with the A’s…..
I’d like to point out we could get 40 HRs, 100 RBI, 380 OBP, for less money per year than luis castillo, how is this guy not an option?
Exactly. This team needs to drop the hammer and just get it done. Plus I won’t have to hear any more clamoring for Manny. Just think how pumped Mets fans would get seeing him jack bombs in the new stadium.
it would be great and if they signed dunn like you said people would stop talking about manny. the FO would get what they want in NOT spending alot of money and also get a legitimate reason as to why we didnt get manny and most reasonable fans would be happy with it. of course if they just sign perez and no manny AND no dunn they will have a very angry fan base.
I’d sign up with Abreu for a year, stop gap till Fernando Martinez arrives on the big stage.
Dunn , on a one year deal with an option, just makes too much sense. I mean if you’re not going to sign Manny, Dunn is an excellent addition, especially if they do not plan on re-signing Delgado next year.
Matt is well aware that Abreu is a lefty.
Thanks
.He should of said so than.
LMAO!!!
It’s always good to LMFAO at Matt’s expense
The “matt is well aware” joke is awesome
he unwittingly provided this blog with comedic gold that day
heres to you cerrone
careful guys, i got banned as coz i mention his name..
careful guys, i got banned as coz i mention his name..
Is, yes. Was, no.
Lefty. That may change your opinion of the Mets going after him. They should’ve snatched Burrell when they had the chance at his price tag for two years. I’m not a fan of his, but it probably would have made the most sense. Would be fun to see him and Wagner in the same clubhouse again!
So what, he’s a lefty. He actually hits lefty pitchers 30 points higher than righties in both AVG and SLG. Pencil his AVG and OBP in the 2 hole and be done. Hell, sign both these guys, Abreu for OF and Dunn for 1B and trade Delgado for pitching.
I think Dunn represents too much of what the problems are with the Mets offense, namely putting the ball in play or situational type hiting, versus pure numbers, in which the Mets are okay.
And I’d definitely take Delgado and Murphy over eitehr Dunn or Abreu and Murphy. no question. Trading Delgado is not a good option.
Sometimes not putting the ball in play is a good thing. When it’s bases loaded with 1 out, and he strikes out, at least the next batter has a chance. Contrast that with say Moises Alou who hit a double play to end the threat all together.
I don’t get it. If the market is crashing around Abreu and Dunn, why wouldn’t it crash around Perez and Sheets?
supply and demand…starting pitchers are more valuable
The market isn’t great for Sheets and Perez right now. It hasn’t crashed around Perez yet because his agent is Boras who insists on pretending other teams are involved. Once he can no longer hold onto that farce the market will fall. Sheet’s market I think falls if the Mets sign Perez because at that point I think it just leaves the Rangers who without anyone to bid against will not be shelling out big bucks
Id rather do Abrreu for a year over Dunn…even though he’s a lefty. Hes a professional hitter…liability in the outfield.
not my type
Isn’t Dunn a lefty too???? Dunn = power and RBI’s, crappy defense. Abreu = average, obs and somewhat better defense. I agree that we need a clutch hitter though. Who is more clutch? Abreu or Dunn…..neither??? It’s a crap shoot..
Abreu.
Not to mention that Abreu has never been a bad RBI man.
Reyes
Abreu
Beltran
Delgado
Wright
Church
Castro/schneider
Cas (vomiting) tillo…
Pitcher
Tatis
Murphy
Evans & co…
i’d take that..
abreu aint bad, especially for one year, but he’s a born loser…any team he goes to doesnt win…
i’d much rather have dunn…look at his career numbers batting 2nd also..he hits over .300
but regardless, 380 obp, 35-40 hrs, 90-100 rbis at THAT price…any team would be wetahded not to sign him
u know what chart i said the same thing, but to be honest, the yankees won 97 games in 2006 when they got him they were like 50 and 22.. u can’t really say that..
I like that I guess a-rod is a born looser too. he hasnt won anything either. yet he known as the best ball player in the world.
agree.. ppl say he’s cursed-rod.. no matter where he goes he’ll never win.. ala barry bonds.. great players who never won anything other than accolades and mvp’s in the regular season..
pudge castro would sound alot better but what the hey it seems like a good line up. hey i could live with castillo if every one else is hitting
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Dunn
Beltran
Delgado
Church
Schnieder
That would be a great lineup
Dunn and delgado would kille you lineup, wright gotta be the fifith hitter again..
David Wright is this team’s best hitter and you bat him third, period. If he was a 40+ Homerun hitter, than you consider him 4th, like A-Rod. But it’s absurd that anyone on here would consider batting Wright fifth.
he had a better season in 2007 batting 5th.. less pressure.. we all saw what that di for him last year..
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Dunn
Delgado
Church
Schneider
Castillo (only because he can get on base and get to the pitcher spot with 2 outs, leaving Reyes leading off the following inning)
You cant have 4 LH in a row.
That wouldn’t be a good lineup
Can’t have Dunn in the 4th spot.
It’s 2nd or 5th/6th.
Beltran would never batt 5th specially after a strikeout artist like dunn
I’ve never posted a ‘potential lineup’ before on here to see what it would look like IF the Mets made any type of move – but seeing all these awful lineups on here I have no choice.
The Castillo deal – I think everyone’s being way too hard on the guy. I understand we’re all Mets fans – New Yorkers that are impatient and need to be mad at something, anything – but Luis Castillo has been a productive major leaguer for years. His pathetic year last year can’t be defended but in this game I’m pretty sure most players revert to within point whatever percent of their career norms more often than not. That’s why you HOPE he gets back to his old ways and you bat him 2nd. If it doesn’t work, you change it. If it does, then the lineup is that much more dangerous.
1-reyes
2-castillo
3-wright
4-delgado
5-beltran
6-dunn
7-church
8-schneider
9-pitcher
If these veterans are all willing to take one year deals, why not get Dunn and Orlando Hudson and let Castillo try to prove himself in spring, if he does im sure well find a taker for him. If he doesnt we dont want him starting anyway and it wont be as bad carrying 2 second baseman becuase Hudson would come cheap.
I just think if we got someone like Dunn it would definitely be an improvement, but the lineup would be so left-handed. A lineup of:
Reyes
Church
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Dunn
Hudson
Schneider/Castro
Is pretty nasty, balanced, and feasible if those guys really do want 1 year deals
With the market the way it is, who on earth will take Castillo at 3 years and 18 million?
obviously we still would have to eat some of his contract, but if he proves he can at least walk, teams might consider him at least as a baseball player
We’d probably have to eat 15 million out of the 18 owed to him. That way, a team wouldn’t care as much if it were 1 million per year. Didn’t we do something similar with Roger Cedeno? (ate all but 1 million of his contract)
If they were able to acquire Hudson on the cheap I think that becomes a realistic option.
Best case scenario is Castillo shows hes back to his old self and actually generates real interest and the Mets dont have to eat as much as we think
On Abreu, this sounds like a joke but I am serious…his biggest defensive weakness is going back on balls and playing the wall, and with the RF overhang at Citi these will be less of an issue.
Despite his handedness, I favor abreu…he works counts and gets on base. Dunn puts up an empty 40/100…I see most of that coming in 6-1 games not in big spots. Number might refute that, but strikeout hitters tend to strike out in big spots.
Why not let him learn LF? Church is an excellent RF.
I love under the radar edits.
Dunn for one year at MOST $5 mil? Why isn’t this a done deal?
Cuz you haven’t said so.
Hm. That’s true. But then again, if it didn’t work out I would be crucified by the fans for the signing, even though they wanted it at the time. GMin’ ain’t easy!
There is no way I want Dunn on this team. Dunn is a losing player. Despite Dunn’s 40 HR’s a year his RBI totals are awful. He strikes out too much and is probably the worst defensive outfielder in baseball.
I think Abreu is also a losing player and would make the lineup way too left handed. I like Abreu as an offensive player but he too is awful defensively.
Ummmm I have said it and typed it a million times. Just give Manny what he wants and get this guy here.
I dodnt agree with what you say about Dunn. He has never played in a lineup like the Mets. Never had the protection of guys like Wright, Beltran and Delgado batting around him. How can you say he is not a winner, how many winning teams has be played for?
He has played in Cincinati 99.9999% of his career.
Dunn is awful. He is a soft player. I would rather live with Murphy and Tatis. Dunn hasn’t made one team better in his entire career.
It isn’t that hard to be a GM. You go after players that are winners or you surround your current players with guy that have been winners that fit into your team.
Which is why I will say it yet again, Manny is a perfect fit.
Like i just said he has played in Cincinatti his whole career.
didn’t sullivan played in colorado and got like 9 HR’s in his career??what’s ur point?
My point is that you cant say Dunn is not a winner, or wont help a team win. Hes never been on a good team before, also he has never played in a lineup like the Mets’.
when have i said he’s not a winner?? we don’t know how he’ll do with us.. we’re surrounded by good hittters, he can hit 30 HR’s for us i’ll be fine.. when was the last time we had a LF that hit 30+ HR’s for us?? exactly..
1) I dunno why people would want Dunn batting second. He strikes out to MUCH..i rather put Abreu to bat second.
2) Dunn is NOT a better hitter than Abreu. He hit 40 homers last year and only had 197 Total Bases. Abreu only hit 20 and had 287 total bases.
3) Abreu is actually better than Dunn if u compare fielding .pct
4) Dunn is HORRIBLE in the clutch
Excellent call on the total bases.
My bad he had 187 with Arizona and 68 with the Reds, but thats still horrible for a guy with 40 homers.
Delgado only hit 38 homers and had 310 total bases.
OPS
Are you being sarcastic?
Because I would as sume you realize that Abreu hits LH better than RH.
I would also as sume that you would realize that Dunn has had no one on base to drive in.
If Omar signs Abreu he’s dead to me.
Hurry Omar, Hurry while there is still time.
Hey Omar, can you please sign Manny, or at least get a RIGHT-handed bat??
One thing’s too obvious: put Murphy @ 2B.
One thing’s too obvious…….Murphy will never be a good 2nd Baseman
It’s not that obvious, Murphy cannot play 2B. He probably doesn’t have the hands or the quickness.
neither does castillo.. at least murphy can HIT..
On the rare opportunity when I’m lucky enough to get really good seats, I always yell unkind but clean things at some player on the opposing team. All of them either genuinely don’t hear me, or wisely pretend that they didn’t, except one: Bobby Abreu. After a strike out, he was walking back to the bench and I yelled “former All-Star” at him. He looked directly at me, and he looked like he wanted to cry.
ouch
As an Abreu hater, I will cherish this story forever.
Point blank…..Abreu is a female reproductive organ and that’s really the last thing we need on this team.
I usually support Omar but if he were to sign Abreu he’d be dead to me.
The Mets are nuts not to get Dunn if they can get him for $5M – $7M for one year. Tatis can be the 4th outfielder and backup on the infield as well and it makes our bench that much stronger.
Omar loves tatis, for some reason.. watch sammy sosa get a contract with us around july when tatis and murphy are in earth..
that was blasfemy. sosa’s name should not be metioned in this site not even in sarcasm or any type of joke
watch in july..
I would not mind Dunn or Abreu, as either is a corner OF upgrade over what the Mets currenty have. In regards to Dunn, however, whie I woud not part ways with Degado so fast pending on this year, Daniel Murphy is not, I repeat NOT, a viable option in either LF or 1b for this year or 1b for next. Enough of this “I think Murphy shoud play first” nonsense. His absolute ceiling is to be a Lyle Overbay type hitter, who power outaged his way out of a starting job. There is notihng to think about, no Murphy at 1b. We all like to gloss over Delgado’s worth, but going into the future, find me a 1b option that can put up even 25-90 (hint: Murphy’s not the guy athough I wish I were wrong) that is available…
I agree. I like Murphy but I don’t see him as a full-time option at 1B or in the outfield. At the very best he turns into Dave Magadan. He has below average power and below average defense. That is not what ytou want at 1B or a corner outfield position. If he could play 2B and provide good defense his offense would be more than adequate.
I don’t love Dunn either but he would be a one-year upgrade over a platoon of Tatis – Murphy.
Guys, its LF for god’s sake. How many LF win gold gloves. All the guys who are challenged defensivly play LF. Why all this talk about defense in LF.
How many teams want a Left Fiedler who hits .285 with 12 Home Runs? That is what I see Murphy producing full-time.
They guy can hit, isnt that good enough. Since when does a LF have to hit 30 HR. We have a 3B, a CF, 1B who do that already.
I think the more important point is the below average power from a corner infielder/outfielder.
Out of the 30 teams in MLB, there were only only 7 LF who hit for 30+ HRs. and only 11 who hit 25+.
Fair point, but 14 LF (1 short of half) hit 20 or more. Daniel Murphy, in an admittedly small sample, hit 2 in 131 AB’s last year. Pure mathematical extrapolation to 450 AB’s, a wild guess based on him being a LH member of a platoon, would give him 7 HR.
It’s gonna have to be Delgado, Dunn or a trade for 1B, as here’s the list of next year’s 1B free agents:
Carlos Delgado NYM
Ross Gload * KC
Aubrey Huff BAL
Nick Johnson WAS
Adam LaRoche PIT
Robb Quinlan LAA
Matt Stairs TOR
Maybe Huff?
I got a question for you people that want Dunn. Do you watch baseball???? Have you seen this guy strike out with runners in scoring position and less than 2 outs??? I have seen him do that since he got into the league. Then people look at his great walk totals but he consistently hits .240 so his OBP isn’t even that good.
I guarantee that if Dunn came to the Mets he would be consistently booooooooooooed by June 1rst.
Oh yeah and one more thing to add from my previous post……. Dunn is the worst defensive outfielder in baseball.
That’s right there is nobody worse defensively in baseball. He looks like Todd Hundley out there.
I don’t love Dunn but do you think Tatis-Murphy will providxe better production than Dunn?
I don’t love the Tatis/Murphy platoon but at least those guys won’t strike out 200 times and they will hit for somewhat of a respectable average.
But in the end I don’t want Tatis and Murphy either. I would blow Manny and Boras away with a 4 year 85 million dollar contract with a 5th year club option. I think Manny is that important to this franchise.
I would love to see Manny here as well but on no more than a 2yr with an option. I dont want to pay a 40 year old Manny $25 Million
I def dont want Abreu. Hes too soft and alergic to outfield walls.
Maybe he’ll play 2B for us..
With all these one-year contracts being signed and with the economy the way it is, there might be a lot of teams trying to dump payroll during the year and a lot of great deals.
That’s why Omar shouldn’t overpay for a bat now.
I’d rather get another bullpen arm. Or try to get both Sheets and Ollie.
Good point, we do need a bullpen arm and thos may be harder to get later on. I just don’t want to have to play catch up when we fall a few games behind and hope we can make a move and I don’t see this team as being able to build a division or wild card lead as presently constituted. At best we are in the mix.
K-Rod
Putz
Green
Feliciano
Sanchez
Stokes
Figueroa
Knight
O’Day
Fossum
Martin
Kunz
Roberston
Muniz
Bostick
Cherry
Snyder
Switzer
Wagner(probably back in August)
The Mets don’t need anymore pen help right now unless the get a steal on one of the top RP’s that are still free agents than you just don’t turn away good talent for a great price. K-Rod and Putz in an incredible 8/9 guys. The other 18 guys that they have to choose from should be able to pitch the 7th inning and sometimes the 5th and 6th.
What the Mets need is SP. We all know that. Once the rotation is done the Mets would be a much better team if they get another big bat. Dunn makes the most sense. Take out the K’s and his numbers are great and he would be a big upgrade in offense to LF. He would be a great fit for 1st base next year as well. Delgado will probably leave and the best free agent 1st baseman next year is Huff and that doesn’t excite me at all.
As for Murphy, if we get Dunn Matt wanted to know what we would do with him, I say having a good bat and not sure how to squeeze him in is a good problem.
Interesting point, but we really don’t want to trade the farm away, again.
Just a quick question…… If Omar were to trade for a bat would he find anyone that is even in the same ballpark as Manny Ramirez?????
Pujols
stopit.!!! trades at this point would be to much for the met higharchy let alone trying to get an albert pujols which would be dream trade in someones dream.
I answered the question as it was asked. No parameters were set, no ‘reality’ was called for, other than ‘who would be in the same ballpark.’ The original poster asked a question and both alex.242 and I gave reasonable answers to the question as asked. Context, it’s important.
A-Rod..
You should know better than to answer a question like this specially with a-rod. yea a-rod has the talent but in no way does he have the ability to hit when it counts.
so who you take A-rod or D-wright?
last i check wright didn’t hit in the 2006 playoffs either..
I thought we were talking in comparison to manny plus no one has annoited d-wright as the greatest players since ever.
i’d take A-rod over pujols.. not manny.. please don’t call me crazy.. i know pujols may be better, but i rather a game changer even with his legs.
Get a clue people, guys like Dunn who hit .230 and strike out 200 times a year are RALLY KILLERS no matter how many HRs they hit, and thats why NOBODY WANTS HIM.
And before you bring up a guy like Ryan Howard remember that Howard hits .300 with runners on and runners in scoring position whereas Dunn hits .230 and hits the majority of his HR’s when nobody is on base.
every power hitter hits most of their HR’s when no ones on base
Thats not quite true, 26 of Ryan howards 48 Hr have come with runners on.
Sal, have you ever heard of a stat called OBP, which is more important that BA.
Howard’s OBP .339
Dunn’s OBP .386
You stat nerds crack me up.
I’m not saying OBP isn’t important but when I’m looking for sluggers who are gonna hit 40+ HRs I’d much rather have a guy like Howard who gets big hits and drives in runs (his batting average is 50 pts higher with guys on base compared to when no one is on) instead of Dunn who usually either strikes out or leaves it to the next guy.
What’s next, are you going to opine over the greatness of Bobby Abreu’s OBP too? You wanna know why his OBP is so high?? It’s because hes a vagina who would rather talk a walk in a big spot than swing the bat.
I’ll take the guy with balls like Howard any day of the week over losers like Dunn and Abreu.
The people who want Dunn have got to be teenagers. Because there is no way any adult prefers him over Abreu.
Toronto’s GM came out and said Dunn can’t hit in the clutch and its TRUE.
Stop looking at 40 homeruns and thinking this guy is a God.
So tell me, why do you think Abrue is better than Dunn?
scroll up..i pointed it out
Ohhhhhh, because of what a GM said. Gimme a break.
Gimme a better excuse than that!. Please!
Dunn doesn’t choke when people are on base. Take a look at his numbers from last year. He was between a .230 and a .250 avg. in all categories except one and thats when the bases are loaded where he hit .375
So what ur saying is..this guy you call a beast can only hit at most .250 with RISP?
Because how many times a year do you expect him to bat with bases loaded? It wont be over 50 i tell you that much.
Dunn is not that good and if we get him, people will end up booing him more than Castillo.
Riiiiiggggghhhtttttt!!!. I want what your smoking dude
So tell me what does Bobby “I think there is a Boogey Man hiding in the wall” Abreu bring to the table. You want him so bad. He will give you a .300 avg but so does Murphy. His power has been going down faster than a virgin on prom night, and Murphy can only go up. His defense is horrible, and Murphy kept getting better as the season went on.
Not only is Abreu not an upgrade in any way unless you consider Yankee left overs something good, but he is going to cost around 10 million a year which is a total waste of money. If the Mets are going to go out and put 10 million into their offense they should do what someone said earlier and give 5 million to Dunn for one year and 5 million to Hudson for one year.
If the can’t move Castillo than bench him, and don’t say that you can’t bench an 18 million dollar contract cause that is the dumbest thing that people say. Either way you have to pay the bum, you might as well put the best product on the field. If the payroll is 140 million with Castillo starting than its 140 million when he doesn’t start.
Wow! I guess that avg. is everything and 40+ HR’s every year, 100+RBI’s every year and a high on base % means nothing anymore. I understand that his 164K’s last year don’t look good, but the fact is he’s a beast. Its not what he does at the plate that would make the Mets much better, its what the pitchers they are facing fear that he will do that would make the Mets so much better.
Last year Delgado did great with Beltran behind him in the lineup but Beltran had no protection. When you have a guy like Dunn behind Beltran they can’t pitch around him all the time because you don’t want to put guys on base with a 40+HR beast hitting behind him. Beltran would see more fastballs which will make him and everyone in front of him better. The Mets would score more runs and have better rally’s and not kill them because we got Dunn.
Thank you!! a Met fan who actually knows baseball.
i said scroll up.. not re-read the post you just replied to. You see that bar on the side? Move the litle bar up or hit ctrl+f and type in moses
You have a good point, but lets be real..Dunn is not good. Ryan Howard and Dunn are similar except one actually drives in runs in the clutch. I don’t wanna hear about who he had or didn’t have on his team, because A-Rod had no one in Texas and still put up great numbers.
He’ll make the others better, but he’ll still stink. I guess for 5mm its a steal, but gimme Abreu over him.
Dunn put up great numbers too with no support. I was only referencing the teams that Dunn played for cause someone said he has never won and is a loser
Moses if right. Howard is much better than Dunn. They both hit a ton of HR’s and both stike out a lot but at least Howard is a much better clutch hitter. Your right Moses, Dunn is not and never will be Howard. Thats why we would pay him 5 million a year and not 18million a year.
your last point is what I am talking about. You know what your getting out of Dunn. Abreu is just a sideways move from Murphy for more money. Dunn may not suddenly hit .300 and only stike out 75 times but everyone in front of him will benefit from him being there. Abreu can’t bring that to the table.
Here I am, getting all amped up over a cheap signing of Adam Dunn, a perennial 40 HR hitter, and a guy who is in the top 25 in OBP every single year.
Then I have to read this nonsense from Sal. Sal Pacino, you are a rally killer.
Why don’t you try this exercise. Replace 35 random outs made by our LFer’s last year with 35 homeruns. See what that does for the Mets overall record. That is the difference between the paltry 10 HR total and 330 obp our LF platoon put up last year and Adam Dunn.
We would have probably been sipping champagne in october.
Just because you don’t understand the dynamics of OBP and avoiding outs, don’t criticize people who do. Get a clue.
i just can’t believe how long this is taking. what must those phone calls be like…
omar: hey scott, how’re doing?
scott: good, good.
omar: so, ollie…uh, is he still available?
scott: you know he is…you want him back?
omar: as i’ve said all off season, our focus is pitching.
scott: so, you want him?
omar: an oliver perez type pitcher is something that this organization could have interest in.
scott: huh? so…you want to make offer?
omar: my other line is ringing, scott. it looks like tim redding is available. can i call you back?
scott: uuuuuhhhh, sure.
CLICK
5 days later…
omar: heya scott!
scott: omar
omar: ollie
scott: ready with a new offer?
omar: well, as you know the mets as an organization are focus first and foremost on pitching this off season.
scott: that’s great because i have the best (most heathiest) pitcher available. what’s your offer?
omar: um, my phone is ringing…looks like freddy garcia is available. i’m going to have to call you back.
scott: but, omar, you say pitching is your main focus. why not sign the best guy out there?
omar: let’s talk in a half hour.
30 minutes later…
omar: scott, so, let’s talk turkey on ollie…what’s it going to take?
scott: well, if you value great starting pitching, i would say…
omar (interupting): wait, wait, wait! the agents for cory sullivan and alex cora just walked in…got to go.
scott: but, i thought you wanted pitching first! you know i have manny, right?
omar: who?
LMAO!!! casey how long did it take you to come up with this???!!
5 minutes…couldn’t help myself. Work was boring me.
i hear ya, i came to work coz is the company’s anniversary and they got a lil party here..
lol, pretty funny
nice job casey. but you do know that Boras is the one calling Omar.
yeah, but i think it’s funnier with omar calling scott.
The Mets have a historic opportunity to fundamentally change the economic value of their franchise for the next 100 years.
The 1927 Yankees were bigger than baseball because of Babe Ruth. This occured at the start of the great depression. Before Ruth the Yankees rented the Polo Grounds from the Giants (hello Jet fans).
The baseball Giants were the kings of New York, sound familar? The Yankees grew beyond the Bronx .
The 27 Yankees were a very good team and might have won a championship without Ruth. But they wouldn’t have been “murderers row” and set the high bar for excellence. The point is that Ruth, in NY, with our media, transended basebase and made the Yankees bigger than the sport.
Manny does this for the Mets. They become a national story. A must see. The impact that would have on the Mets precisely at a time of economic uncertainty can’t be underestimated.
My point is that while there maybe many good “cheap” players, this is a defining moment. An “inflection point.”
Manny on THIS Met team, in these economic times, is a combination that can boost the Mets from 2nd in NY to 1st in the country.
The Yankees became a brand, not just a team, because of Ruth. Manny will make the Mets trancend baseball.
not to pour water or anything, but the babe joined the yankees at age 25 and proceeded to play 14 seasons in pinstripes. in 14 years, manny will be 50 years old.
that’s the funniest thing i’ve read all week
At those prices, why not Dunn for 2 yrs.(slide to 1B next year) and Abreau for 1? Church goes to the bench as a PH/defensive replacement. Great lineup and depth!
I would much rather have Church in RF than Abreu.
Gooden, for all his problems was MLB’s best pitcher from 1984-91 132W-53L .713 win% He was 62-59 afterwards. 62-59 pitchers get $10 million a year today. If Gooden had started 62-59 and finished up with 8 years of 132-53 he would easily be in the Hall of Fame. It’s all perception…
On Manny asa Met? Offer him 3 years 20 million. Keep Murphy and let him back up Castillo, Manny and Delgado. If we can trade Castillo, Fernando Martinez & Schneider for a catcher and sign O. Hudson then do it. Church is set in right. Look for 60 extra base hits and 90 RBI’s from Church. Sign Ben Sheets.
Trade FMart for a catcher? No thanks. If he is ever traded, it better be for a top line OF or SP
Personally, I’d like to see Murphy back in Triple A until September. He is still developing and should be playing every day instead of platooning.
First, Murphy does not really have a position (except for third base which we don’t need). He really needs to be developing his defense at a specific position.
Second, if we force him to platoon, he is not going to be playing against lefties. This would stunt his growth in a very important skill.
For the long-term good of Daniel Murphy and the Mets, Daniel Murphy needs to be in the minors.
we need to win THIS year.
That’s right, cuz everyone knows the world will end this year.
It’s crime-spree time then.
Guys, we don’t have a LF platoon next year. It’s Murphy or an new OF. Tatis will be on the bench.
holliday i guess.. nobody else strikes me as a good LF..
I think unless we get Abreu then it will be Murphy’s job to lose. Tatis will be on the bench. If Murphy loses it then Tatis and the LH trio will take a turn.
i wanna see tatis on the bench this year and be gone next year..
Parnell, Kunz, Evans or Reed and (no name AA player) for Holliday at the deadline this year…….
This is too funny but the Cubs might trade for Heliman
no response..
Lol..i just read that. Watch him pitch great for the Cubs
No Kidding watch him make it to the all- star game
game 7 of NLCS, heilmann pitching to beltran, bases loaded 2 outs.. ..
Hahaha! And of course, that will be the one time Heilman’s fastball actually moves and is unhittable!
lol, agree..
I don’t recall Heilman having an Adam Wainwright ankle breaking curveball, so I’m pretty confident in Beltran in that situation.
lol, u can make any argument u want.. i didn’t finish what would happen.. i just gave u the scenario..
Typical Beltran would take strike three looking……remember ‘06 NLCS?
If the Mets can have Dunn for 5 million a year and they dont do it, then they HAVE to be holding out for Manny. Otherwise…I just dont get it.
Unless the thinking is Murphy will be a 300 15 hr 90 RBI clutch hitter…then I can understand. We are btter off with Murphy off the bench as a sub playing 100 games.
Someone above mentioned Adam Dunn’s average with RISP.
Last year, Bobby Abreu hit .296, with a .372 OBP, driving in 67 runs with RISP. WITH TWO OUTS AND RISP, ABREU HIT A STAGGERING ……… .382
David Wright hit .243 with RISP. With 2 outs and RISP, Wright hit .247.
For people that do not want Abreu here because of his poor defensive skills, or better yet, those people that think the Murphy will provide the same numbers as Abreu, you have to be kidding me!
I understand that Abreu is one of those players that can leave a bad taste in your mouth by watching him play, but the guy is never hurt (which is much more than you can say about the rest of our OF, with the exception of maybe Beltran, maybe), and you simply cannot make those stats up.
Thanks for posting the eye-opening Abreu stats….
The truth
Paul Pierce?
I thought he was The Answer
That’s Allen Iverson. Shaquille O’Neal dubbed Paul Pierce ‘the Truth’ and in the interest of self-preservation I’m not gonna argue with Shaq.
Allen Iverson is the answer. I wonder if he plays any LF?
When free agency became a way of doing business back in the 70’s… owner Charlie Finley stated back then the only way to combat this would be offering one year contracts…it took 30 years and a meltdown but it is now happening.
Abreu on a one yr deal is the best option IMO (outside of Manny of course).
If we can sign Ollie or Sheets and one of Dunn or Abreu I will be happy. If we can find a little extra cash to get Beimel, Cruz, Ohman or Reyes I would be more than happy although I doubt we would get 3 more players.
i think signing another good bat or another good bullpen guy should be considered luxuries compared with another starter. and i really think we cannot just sign sheets without another reliable starter. he will get hurt. with pelfrey in uncharted waters for him, maine and garcia injury risks, and redding su_cking, this would be a very bad situation
If we ever got Cruz to pitch the 7th wow. 70 K’s in 50 innings last year. We would only need our starters to go 6 then. I think he’s a type “A”, but since our 1st round pick goes to the Halos already we would only surrender a 2nd round pick.
I know the Mets are lefty-heavy with the addition of Dunn and Murphy at second, but GODDAMNIT ADAM DUNN!? FOR THAT LOW?
The Mets better dump Castillo quick.
D-Backs sign Garland. Well, that’s one down.
, don’t worry we got redding and garcia…
sign manny and trade castillo and a player to be named for Pujols
lol.. good one.. i needed a laugh
Castillo would be too much
Interesting article comparing Abreu and Dunn. I think Dunn is a much better pick-up.
sabermetrician.blogspot.com/2009/01/clock-ticking-on-free-agent-outfielders.html
I still think that Abreu’s worth goes further than Dunn’s.
Someone posted that he had a .382 avg with RISP and 2 out. Ridiculous avg right there.
We don’t need a Dunn a strikeout in that case. We need clutch at bats.
Adam Dunn will be a bargain but he doesnt help our team.
The OBP is useless for us b/c he would bat 6th and the guys behind him (Schneider and Castillo) wont bring him home
He is a terrible clutch hitter and put a lefty specialist out there like a Eyre or Romero and he’s an automatic out. .188 with 2 strikes shows just how terrible of a contact hitter he is
Why not bat Dunn 2nd? He bat second for quite sometime in Cincy. He’s actually a smart baserunner, just not terribly fast.
if u bat him second then they would have to pitch to him cuz dwright delgado and beltran would be following.
reyes
dunn
wright
gado
tran
church
schnieder
castiilllo
Which means there goes his OBP.
Don you really want a guy who K’s 150+ times a year batting second when Reyes is on base? I mean c’mon now. What team has a guy who k’s that much bat second?
Good point, but still, how many guys who K that much also walk 100 times every single year?
Dunn is not perfect and is a statistical freak with his combo of HR/BB and tons of Ks and so few singles and doubles, but still, if you think about it:
100BB + 40 HR = A walk or a homer on average almost every single game out of the 2 hole, and every single and double he gets is a bonus on top of that…..
Dunn is one of the most selective hitters in the game (hence the high walk total and strikeouts… he takes a lot of pitches). That gives Reyes more time to steal and reduces the number of GIDP. He is an excellent #2 hitter. Even if he strikes out, he gives Reyes a chance to move up the bases.
HELLO DUNN 1 YEAR 5 MILLION…THAT IS A HUUUUUUGGGGGE STEAL
Interesting article comparing Abreu and Dunn. I think Dunn is a much better pick-up.
sabermetrician.blogspot.com/2009/01/clock-ticking-on-free-agent-outfielders.html
CHURCH has to stay IN RF with Abreu or Dunn playing LF and Castillo canNOT bat 2nd. EVER.
I disagree. You cannot have Schnieder, Castillo and the pitcher 7/8/9. So unless we get a hitting catcher, Castillo will spend some time in the 2 hole. We used that line-up with Schnieder, Castillo and the pitcher 7/8/9 agst certain RH pitchers in September last year, and the results were horrible.
So much for Heilman playing in a small market. Good luck poo face! (I say that with my deepest respect)
How much would that blow if he blossomed in CHI? Well, for us anyway.
I’m calling it: 2010 WS MVP- Aaron Heilman, LOL!
Stop, man, you’re blowing my mind.
Now now fans, let’s not talk about improving the lineup. Don’t ya know, our myopic GM is concentrating on overpaying for the bullpen killer this week?
yea but Ollie might be good one day…I hope…
Even though he’s not that effective, he looks really good on the mound sometimes
Dunn would need to bat 2nd. His OBP would be fine batting behind Reyes and in front of Wright. In fact he would see more pitches than ever.
And don’t give me the contact part. If a guys OBP is high it’s high. He does not hit into many DP’s. Reyes can steal 2nd. Then 38% of the time you will have either Dunn on 1st base or Reyes will score.
Totally agree….Dunn could hit 50 HR with all of the fastballs he would see in the 2 hole….and the “handedness people” can even be happy, as Dunn would be between Jose, Wright and Beltran.
You’d really like a guy you know strikes out at least 150 times a year and has never batted over .266 hitting between Reyes and Wright?
i rather Church hit second at least he makes contact.
Check my response to this at your above post….just my thoughts….
You guys hung up on BA kill me. In the end what matters is that he will either drive Reyes in or end up on 1B 38% of the time. The K’s only mean that Reyes will not be in many DP’s as Dunn does not hit into many DP’s.
You can’t make a .380 OBP a bad thing regardless of K’s.
Dunn isn’t my favorite but lets be realistic. His numbers for 5 mil and maybe 3 mil in incentives. But he PRODUCES RUNS.
Score em.
Drive em in.
He gets people across the plate. He’ll score 100 himself and drive in 125 with other good hitters and guys getting on base for him. Experiment with him in the line-up and see what works, but him and Sheets could be great, cheap additions. Maybe even go after Beimel who’s price has most likely plumeted.
I DONT WANT ABREU……HE IS A SKANKEE AND A PHILTHY.
So, if Garland goes to D-Backs, Wolf to Dodgers, Sheets to Rangers, then the Mets get Perez.
Like I said, the Mets will Sign Ollie and Pedro.
Garland signs w/ Dbacks 6-8mil for 1 year
this is not good for us. the more quality guys that sign, the more boras is gonna drive up the price for ollie, who most of us will agree the mets will inevitably sign
but but but, all the Omar fans kept telling me that he would lock up the pitching situation before all of the options were signed thereby avoiding a situation where the Mets would be outbidding themselves for an overrated bullpen killer…
We need to sign Dunn. If we can get him for $5 mil for a year or even if it’s $8 mil for a year, we’d be dumb not to do it….
Wow, just read this…
sabermetrician.blogspot.com/2009/01/clock-ticking-on-free-agent-outfielders.html
Complete agreement here.
Adding 40 HR and 100 BB to our already potent lineup for one year and still being able to think about Holiday or someone else after next year?
Absolutely!
and 100 rbis
but oh how i salivate — SALIVATE — at the idea of signing both perez and sheets. forget improving our bullpen or adding another bat… this would be amazing
i think we should go for ollie and dunn and biemel
-our rotation would be solid with alot of depth
-our lineup would be strong, if everyone stays healthy (the only two guys that cant hit would be schnieder and castillo…who will both ending batting at least 250 anyway which is not horrible)
- and our pen would be one of the best in the game…if not the best
yes i would love manny,..but his price is way too high and i honestly think that we have a very good shot at winning with out him…the price of ollie, biemel and dunn would probably be about the same as manny combined
Slow day today.
If the market for Dunn and Abreu has crashed, how does that not apply to Manny?
It has. Nobody has topped the Dodgers original lowball offer yet.
Meanwhile, Heilman to the Cubs… unreal.. this is good though, now we can have BP on him when he starts
Dunn in LF and Murphy at 2B doesn’t make us better offensively?
If Dunn and Abreu have dropped, what about manny?
And makes us plain putrid on defense.
“-Abreu is worth 3/$22.2 mil with even distribution of payments.
-Dunn is worth 3/$27.0 mil with even distribution of payments.”
and we can get dunn for 1 year 5 mil??? how can we pa-ss that up?
we shouldn’t
i want manny…
Dunn would be worth it for 1 year and 10 mln, let alone 5 mln. Citi Fields sales are great for the first year, so if they are not willing to spend some of that money on a 1 year deal for Dunn, then the wilpons are greedy bastards.
or manny…
sorry to be the one to break it to you but it’s not happening
I think Manny will be very much in play. I am not quite sure that the Dodgers would re-open negotiations at their old offer. If Dunn or Abreu go for sub-ten million dollar contracts, then Manny should fall around the 20 million dollar mark.
Dunn is a baddddd fit for this team. The METS are already loaded with free swingers who are K prone. Abreu is a better fit as a #2 hitter, his patience and OBP is well needed in this line up. I would switch him to left and I would pay Abreu 10 million before I paid Dunn 5. The METS really dont need lefty, you know who they need and it is not Dunn.
Dunn is a free swinger? Do you follow baseball?
Um your arguement has some points but is mostly faulty. You say they need a patient guy with a good OBP, well that’s Dunn. He gets more walks than anyone. You say we don’t need a lefty yet Abreu is lefty.
I want Abreu over Dunn to but I have rational reasons.
TRS, see my post just after yours. What are your reasons for not wanting Dunn?
First off, Abreu is also a lefty, so saying Dunn being a lefty is a reason to sign Abreu over him is silly. Second, Abreu’s career OBP is 0.024 higher than Dunn so it isn’t exactly a glaring plus for Abreu, especially when you note that Dunn’s SLG is 0.02 higher than Abreu’s. Third, Dunn has hit 40 or more HRs each of the last 5 seasons, a feat Abreu has never done in any season. In fact if you total Abreu’s HRs for the last 3 seasons he has 51 HRs. Lastly, it’s not exactly like Abreu doesn’t strikeout. He’s good for about 110-130 Ks a season, which Dunn is going to be more around 160-180. They’re both good for around 100 RBIs a season.
Stack them up side by side, and I’ll take the 30 or so more HRs in exchange for 50 or so more Ks.
This doesn’t account for protection around them keep in mind, as Dunn in front of Wright would see more pitches to hit and have more blasts that way…
Also, isnt terrible that the Mets are only the second highest payroll team! They are not spendng enough money. As we all know, the Mets have a tree which money grows on. Stop being greedy Omar or else us Mets fans will…..um……err……..will….ugh……………… complain and cry!!! Ya, so buy Manny and every other free agent!!!
Bats in order of preference…
1- Manny Ramirez
2- Orlando Hudson (would he play LF?)
3- Bobby Abreu
4- Ty Wigginton
5- Adam Dunn
Look at Hudson’s numbers, especially career numbers. Why would you even put him on the list? Not to mention how on earth could those numbers survive in LF. I would bet anything that Tatis or Murphy could have the same production as Hudson in LF. The guy is an overrated 2B and would be a TERRIBLE option for LF.
LOL at Ty over Dunn…a guy with a career .790 OPS…
i have no problem with abreu if manny doesn’t happen..go for it!
Dunn is 5 years younger than Abreu with better OBP and SLG, and Abreu is clearly declining. Neither can field, but Abreu would have to switch from RF to LF. Why is this even a debate?
Dunn is clearly the superior option, and if he can be had for a 1 year deal at 5-10 mil then the Wilpons or Omar would have to be completely insane not to do it.
Y is everyone saying abreu will have to switch to left church has played left in his career so y not move him
Because Church is better defensively, and I like his arm in right…
Abreu hit better against lefties then he did righties last year.
If we can get ollie and abreu i think we will be the team to beat in the division
Stop smoking the ganga!
Dunn isn’t even a good option. He is a .240 hitter. He generally hits 40 homers a season but has never had more than 110 RBI’s in his career. That is a HUGE red flag. The guy is a one trick pony.
Oh yeah and I will say it again, Dunn is the worst defensive outfielder in baseball. He an awful awful defender.
Oh yeah I will say this again too. Manny Ramirez is an ideal fit for this team. Put Manny on this team and it goes to the World Series.
ONE SOLUTION: M-A-N-N-Y, M-A-N-N-Y, M-A-N-N-Y, M-A-N-N-Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After looking at Bobby Abreu’s numbers, I actually wouldn’t mind getting him if Omar loses his mind and doesn’t get Manny.
Abreu has scored at least 98 runs in the last 10 seasons and has had over 100 RBI’s in 7 of the last 10 seasons. He has also had over 20 SB’s the last 10 seasons. He generally hits over .280 with an OPB around .400. Those are pretty impressive numbers.
Like I said if the Wilpons and/or Omar lose their mind and don’t go after Manny, Abreu would be a nice fit and you could put Church in left where he played in Washington.
Wow, I just posted the same thing right after you did. I completely agree.
First of all, this “Huge Red Flag” of Dunn’s RBI totals can be summed up in two words: Cincinatti Reds. After some tedious research (went to ESPN.com and typed in Adam Dunn, took 15 seconds), I was able to see that Dunn has only averaged 130 ABs/year with RISP.
On the other hand, Bobby Abreu has played for a team called the New York Yankees. Maybe you’ve heard of them. I could score 98 runs a year batting in the 2 hole for the Yankees. Not to mention, Abreu has averaged 175 abs with RISP over the last few years.
Runs and RBIs are bogus stats. Rally-killers and Clutch players are a myth.
I do agree that Abreu’s OBP is mouth-watering, and we would love to have that on our team. But Dunn has a great OBP as well and a sizeable power advantage.
Either guy would be a phenomenal addition and I hope the Mets pull the trigger.
Honestly, I feel that the realistic, best-case scenario for the Mets right now is Sheets and Abreu. I’ve stated several times on this blog why I prefer Sheets to Perez, and most of you know my reasoning.
However, what most people fail to understand when evaluating Bobby Abreu is that the man can absolutely rake. He is the PERFECT number two hitter on the team. He’d be a doubles machine at Citi Field, and his sac flies would help as well, considering how Jose Reyes’ triples will likely go well past 20 this year. The man is a legit .310-20-100-100-20 threat in the NL, and he also gives Daniel Murphy time to further develop his glove while batting third for Buffalo.
Unfortunately, it appears Omar and Jerry are only interested in a right-handed bat, as influenced by their comments throughout the offseason. Sheets and Abreu (or even Dunn) would satisfy me.
Dunn is a lefty Dave Kingman, Abreu would be an upgrade over Church, but I am biased against him because he was a Phillie/Yankee. I want to see Church blossom into a 45 double, 25 homer guy with 90+RBI especially in clutch situations. I want those same numbers from Tatis/Murphy.
O. Hudson is an aggressive offensive player capable of .300 200 hits 120 runs scored. Trade Fernando/Castillo/Schneider to upgrade the cathing and lefty relief. Sign Sheets to a 2 year deal. Rotation Santana, Sheets, Pelfry, Maine, Redding w/Niese in the wings. If Ollie will take 3 years at 32k then Niese becomes tradable for more lefty bullpen help.
Hahahahaha. Orlando Hudson is garbage. I’d rather sign Orlando Cabrera to play second base. Hudson is injury-prone and is just not that good of a hitter. Unless he comes on a one-year deal (which, I’ll admit, is possible), I’d steer very clear of the O-Dog.
A lefty Dave Kingman? With his .302 career OBP? That is a bad comparison.
Wow, you need a trip to baseball reference .com….the Kingman comparison is crazy, but Hudson’s career BA is .282, his career high in runs is 87, and career high in hits is 166….at age 31 after being hurt 2 years in a row he is all of a sudden going to vastly increase his numbers?
Dunn would be a waste in our lineup. Abreu fits in perfectly at #2.
After Manny, its Abreu and the debate isn’t even close.
$5 for 1 year of Dunn HAS to be a joke… if we can somehow get him at $25 for 3 years – it absolutely HAS to be done.
He can replace Delgado at 1B at the end of the year.
He is a model of consistency.
If we get Dunn and Ollie we’ll be in GREAT shape.
Replace “Dunn and Ollie” with “Abreu and Sheets” and you’re right on the money. In fact, you’re entire post is completely accurate if you do that.
Ask any Yankee fan if they would rather have Abreu or Dunn and they will tell you DUNN as Abreu has declined tremendously over the last 3 years.
His HRs and SBs have dramatically declined.
I would love to get both Perez AND Sheets, but I would take Perez over Sheets simply because I know I’ll get 180+ innings of inconsistency. With Sheets you simply don’t know what you will get.
3 years for Adam Dunn???????? Are you drunk or high????
WHO will play 1B after Delgado is gone ?!?
Hasn’t Dunn said he that doesn’t want to play 1B previously?
that doesn’t answer my question above.
Dunn will play whatever he is told to play. Just like Heilman pitched in relief (and was among most effective set-up guys in baseball for 2 years)
I would take anybody at 1B over Dunn.
Murphy. I thought everyone knew that.
yes Dunn has said that.
Keep in mind we have Nick Evans in the minors (i think we still do :/ ..)
But we also have Murphy who is fit to play anywhere.
GO, sign him, he’s worth it.
I dont care how many times you strike out, if you can bat 6th and drive those guys b4 you in by double or Homerun, by all means bring the guy in.
Ideally the METS need a righty bat and if it is going to be a lefty than let ot be a high OPB average guy than another lefty who K’s like Dunn. No need to point out that Abreu is lefty also. I dont care what Dunn’s #’s are, he is not clutch and K’s like geese poop…not a good fit for this team at all and I cant even begin to wonder where thoughts of making this guy a #2 hitter originate from…thats ridiculous.
Manny is the one but the Wilpons are soft an stupid soooooo
Abreu is so much better than Dunn on offense its not even a discussion and more importantly is a better FIT for THIS team. Let Abreu hit for average and OBP and dont rely him heavily to be one of the power bats like the tools in Philly and the BX did and Abreu is real nice addition who would amplify the talent of Jose Reyes batting leadoff.
There is no way the Mets would sign a strikeout machine like Dunn. Abreu is the opposite of Dunn, a high OBP guy. But I don’t want an ex-phillie/yankee guy for 15 million a year. The Mets have very tradeable commodities in Fernando Martinez and Niese. They can look to obtain a Carlos Lee or Nate McLouth for a pair like that.
Manny Ramirez will be a media circus, not show up for games, have mysterious injuries, and physically attack any Met (Wright for example, that says boo to him about his lack of team commitment)
I am also very intrigued by Murphy and Church’s potential but they really need another righthanded run producer. Castillo was a bad signing from day one. I screamed in my car when I heard it. He needs to be packaged with desirable pieces like Fernando/Niese to bring in a Carlos Lee or McLouth and get them to throw in a promising lefty reliever to the Mets. Murphy is the young outfield phenom the Mets can’t trade, not Fernando. Church and Schneider may have to go, along with Kunz for a Bengie Molina.
I know McLouth is a lefty bat, but he is a winning player. If the Mets get him I will be content with McLouth in right and a Murphy/Tatis platoon in left.