Starting Pitcher: Perez and the Weekend

January 31, 2009 at 10:46 am · 125 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According Joe DeMayo of NY Baseball Digest, “If the Mets do not have Oliver Perez either locked up, or having made huge strides in negotiations by the end of this coming weekend, they are likely to move on to other options,” according to a league source with knowledge of the team’s plans.

early last week i mentioned there had been a bit of buzz suggesting the Mets had given perez a weekend deadline… i was skeptical of this, because it’s not typically Omar Minaya’s style… either way, i am sure the Mets want an answer soon, because this is getting a little ridiculous now

DeMayo believes the Mets prefer Randy Wolf to Ben Sheets, “by a small margin,” because of concerns about his medical records.

…for what it’s worth, the buzz from baseball suggests sheets will not get a two-year offer from any team, for exactly the reason demayo suggests, because of concerns about sheets back and elbow as much as his shoulder – and the fact that he pitched so many innings last season may actually be hurting his case

The source tells DeMayo a deal with Perez will get done, because, “The Mets love Perez, and Perez loves the Mets. I doubt he would be happy anywhere else.”

DeMayo also provides information on whether the Mets will pursue another bat and a relief pitcher.

Speaking of pitchers…

Pedro Martinez told the Associated Press that he has received various formal offers from a number of clubs.

The Tigers could end up trading one of Justin Verlander, Jeremy Bonderman, Armando Galarraga, Edwin Jackson, Nate Robertson, Dontrelle Willis, Zach Miner during the season, according to the Detroit News.

{ 125 comments }

gogomets January 31, 2009 at 10:48 am

what exactly is the big deal about ollie? just say NO!

Xavier22 January 31, 2009 at 10:58 am

$cott Bora$

NickA33 January 31, 2009 at 10:52 am

Good sign him or move on. I’m tired of waiting around. We need to finish up our rotation, now!

shinjosplints17 January 31, 2009 at 11:20 am

Use the Ollie money to sign Sheets and Wolf, and then get Dunn or Hudson, see you in PStL. Let Ollie and Scott hold a gun to someone else.

NickA33 January 31, 2009 at 11:23 am

Not sure if we would go after Wolf, I hear he’s in negotiations with LA but waiting to see what happens with Perez. But yea, if he’s out there then go after those two and a LF coughcoughmannycoughcough.

shinjosplints17 January 31, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Well I was trying to be realistic by not using his name (Manny that is) I really think the Coupon Family is stressing about the Money that Madoff took from them and the fact that CitiGroup is in hot water about the Jet and stadium naming rights. Screw the sign Manny rally we need to have a sell the team rally, We all got ripped off when Doubleday left the picture.

Mikemets44 January 31, 2009 at 12:19 pm

1) SIGN SHEETS!!
2)Trade for another starting pitcher (Halladay, Verlander, Willis, Peavy?)
3) Sign Dunn/Hudson
4) Get another lefty in the bullpen

reillys5 January 31, 2009 at 1:22 pm

5) WAKE UP -

SantanaClause January 31, 2009 at 10:52 am

if Detroit wants to get rid of Dontrelle so bad why doesn’t Omar take him off there hands if he can be acquired for say Muniz Stokes Robertson i would do it. It could end up being a low risk high reward type deal.

Joe Bacci January 31, 2009 at 11:10 am

Not a bad idea at all. What kind of contract would we be taking on? Could we throw Castillo in the deal too?

mark4212 January 31, 2009 at 11:17 am

That is not a bad idea at all. Willis is still only 26. I don’t know what happened to him. His deal was a 3 year extension in 2007. So his contract is up at the end of 2010. SO that’s 2 years at about 10 million. If you could somehow unload Castillo’s 6 million a year, that would be awesome. That’s the kind of bad contract swap the mets were looking for. Your taking on 3 mil or so in the short term for a 26 year old starting pitcher who has had tremendous success in the majors, especially the NL east .

Anthony-n-VA January 31, 2009 at 11:43 am

09:$10M, 10:$12M

no thanks, I’d rather give the 11m a year to ollie.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:04 pm

ollie might want 13 with a 4th year man

SantanaClause January 31, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Rusty Ollie might want 4/52 but that dosent mean he’ll get it. I want a fully customized top of the line Rolls Royce but that doesn’t mean its going to happen. Ollie may luck out and get his 13 mil a year but then again i may win the lottery.

bigchart333 January 31, 2009 at 12:31 pm

I agree Anthony…no offense to anyone, but how can you sit here and rip ollie for being inconsistent, but say “i’ll take dontrelle”…he’s had only one or 2 real good years too, just like Ollie. I’d rather take ollie, who proved he can pitch in NY, who’s familiar with the team, and is about to enter his prime, for the money, then trade prospects which could maybe get us a bat during the season for Willis

TheWizard7 January 31, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Mets clear the 2B spot for Hudson and Sheets for what they are offering Perez.

I would do that in a second…

keep it posi January 31, 2009 at 2:43 pm

Stokes is the man don’t trade him.

clutch43 January 31, 2009 at 10:53 am

Sign OP .. sign Sheets to 1 year and PLEASE sign a LEGIT player who can play LF (Manny, Dunn,Abreu, whoever). The past 2 years, the Met ALMOST made it … we need that little kick to get us over the hump.. if you go a little over EARLY 09 budget, who cares… if we win, we’ll be fine… let the million people we signed to minor league contracts play for bench roles or starting AAA positions… you shouldn’t have the need to platoon in the majors….

NeedAnAce January 31, 2009 at 10:55 am

With reports of the Twins looking to trade Delmon Young, shouldn’t the Mets consider swapping F-Mart for him? He would provide the Right-Handed bat that we could use at the MLB Level right now. He has about just as much upside at F-Mart yet he is Mlb ready. It may take a little more than Martinez to get Young, but I think it would be a good gamble on the clubs’ part.

Ralf January 31, 2009 at 11:06 am

Good god, no.

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 11:10 am

your right, good god no. but thats the fact. Omar wants/needs F-Mart to produce. he needs to take the credit for when he comes up and produces. thus deserving him atleast 1 more extension.

mark4212 January 31, 2009 at 11:20 am

I agree good-god no. Delmon was a player the hype of F-Mart. And in 2 seasons he hasn’t shown anything great. decent average and 15 HR power.

I have said it before given the chance Murphy can put up the numbers F-Mart has the last 2 years himself.

metsfan575715 January 31, 2009 at 11:48 am

Young is a career 292 hitter and hit 290 last year. Last i looked that is a good adverage

metsfan575715 January 31, 2009 at 11:39 am

What abvout Murphy the twins are looking for a 3rd basemen

NewYorkMetfanatic62 January 31, 2009 at 10:56 am

if Perez doesn’t sign by next Friday, I would just walk away.

VCarver January 31, 2009 at 11:04 am

Next Friday? Why even wait that long?

I’d give him till tomorrow. Then it’s adios. And I’ve been a supporter of him. There’s just so much garbage Omar should put up with from Boras. And if Ollie doesn’t appreciate the generous Mets offer, then he’s not worth it.

Ralf January 31, 2009 at 11:06 am

Lol, way to lay down the law there buddy.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:05 pm

vcarver are you fred wilpon in disquise or are you michel in the professional lol

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:06 pm

sorry i meant leon

reillys5 January 31, 2009 at 1:27 pm

vcarver…the only way i could have said that better is if you were typing that for me…this weekend or walk…but please no wolf by himself please no

JohnMilner January 31, 2009 at 11:00 am

Young hasn’t proven very much so far. And I wonder why the Twinkies would be looking to move him, after giving up Garza to get him. They tend to want good character guys only on that team. I wonder…

JohnMilner January 31, 2009 at 11:01 am

Does anyone know what happened to Dontrelle? Have his wacky mechanics screwed him up?

murpheeee January 31, 2009 at 11:05 am

I read that as he has gotten older and bulked up he can’t contort his body through the delivery like he has done until now…he has had to tweak his delivery which messed him up

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 11:07 am

I believe that D-Train is still capable of being that elite pitcher he once was. I think wat turned him wreckless was those American League monster hitters. I think bringing him back to the NL would restore his ability to strike poeple out left n right. that whole arguement that switching leagues makes you a better pitcher is bologna. the AL has much better hitters.

Anthony-n-VA January 31, 2009 at 11:09 am

Dontrelle hasn’t been a good pitcher in years, detroit was stupid to trade for him and sign him to an extension. It would be even stupider to acquire him now.

Joe Bacci January 31, 2009 at 11:13 am

D-Train for Castillo!

Mikemets44 January 31, 2009 at 11:14 am

I agree. What About Justin Verlander????

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 11:18 am

NO NO NO.We are not touching Castillo. OMars objective. 1)pitching 2)LF’r Castillo will be starting 2nd base and thats a fact

Anthony-n-VA January 31, 2009 at 11:44 am

why not halladay or cliff lee if we’re going to start wishcasting.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:09 pm

i do believe in spooks i do i do believe in spooks !!! lol

eligoodrich January 31, 2009 at 12:48 pm

and verlander and Halladay are better then Lee,who had a career year. verlander is debatable

reillys5 January 31, 2009 at 1:31 pm

being realistic, i think detroit is the only real place we can unload castillo, i mean does anyone remember the julio lugo-dontrelle willis trade up in the air early this offseason? i am intrigued by edwin jackson, and i think robertson wud be a great fit, if we can somehow pull verlander, while signing o-dog……i may have to go change ……..

Ralf January 31, 2009 at 11:05 am

I don’t care what Joe DeMayo says, the Mets are signing Manny. Fred Wilpon doesn’t run this team anymore, Jeff does, and you can tell that Jeff wants Manny just as much as Omar.

tonym January 31, 2009 at 11:08 am

The Mets plan all along has been to cheap-out and settle for Wolf…

That’s why they signed Redding first – cheapest option for 5th starter for the Cheapons, next up CHEAPEST posibble option they could sell as an OP replacement…

Look at what this team has done since Putz, it’s signed trash SP, and has flooded the team with trash like Cora, Sullivan, et al

CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP COUPONS

mark4212 January 31, 2009 at 11:23 am

HHAHAHAHAH funniest post of the day.

Love it.

eligoodrich January 31, 2009 at 12:34 pm

wackest post of the day

dominicanboy08 January 31, 2009 at 11:14 am

sign ollie/sheets, then we will be fine. remember the rotation we had in 2006? but we had a shut down bullpen back then,so with this new bullpen we will win the division.

not to mention that pelfrey could be a stud pitcher, maine is expected to be healthy. and we have better depth in the rotation with niese,redding and garcia.

the key will be our new bullpen.

LETS GO METS!!

mouserdz January 31, 2009 at 11:20 am

Did I read that correctly, the FO prefers Wolf over Sheets?! I know there are healthy concerns about Sheets, but Wolf hasn’t exactly pitched over 200 innings in over 5 years either.

Number57 January 31, 2009 at 11:22 am

There has to be something seriously wrong with Sheets if nobody has made a serious offer yet.

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 11:32 am

agree 100%. though i would like sheets or perez. people arent pursing him shows there is something wrong there. maybe if we all could see the report we would agree???

RunReyesRun January 31, 2009 at 11:54 am

Sheets’ medical report better say something that his arm is about to fall off because he is 10X the pitcher Randy Wolf is and better than OP too. Randy Wolf isn’t exactly Cal Ripken, Jr. either…

Mr North Jersey January 31, 2009 at 11:23 am

If he does sign Ollie it’s good because we are better with him than without him at this point but

what would really make this move huge is if it allows him to finally address the chance to maybe

improve the offense or get another Lhp ie Dennys Reyes for the bullpen.

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 11:28 am

We dont really need another lefty in the pen. Things will be fine with Feliciano. Ive been happy with his production since his come up. RP’ers arent consistent as we would all like. so what he wasnt stellar last year. this year he would do much better, and you can bank on that. its not like were gonna be struggling like last year in the pen. we have made significant changes.

Mr North Jersey January 31, 2009 at 11:39 am

I agree about Feliciano but let’s be careful on predicting all will be fine with the bullpen in 2009 just yet wouldn’t want to jinx ourselves there now would we?

I think it’s Feliciano and Green the only lefties out of the pen currently. I just feel maybe 1 more would be suffice.

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 11:47 am

you know wat,i dont wanna say your wrong but 3 lefties is too much. especially if we could just bring one up. we need SP’in and thats the fact. plus i cat stand all this wolf,martinez crap. dont get me wrong. i respect martinez but only if it brings manny which i doubt. we dont need 4 guys battling for the 5th rotation spot. we need to get the rest of our rotation in on ST n gettm ready for the season. especially maine we need him to return to how he use to pitch to even stand a chance this year

BBmetsfreak36 January 31, 2009 at 1:13 pm

JOE BEILMEL!
lol
Look at his numbers. Fantastic against both lefties and righties. He would balance out the bullpen greatly and he isn’t asking for too much.2 yr./5 mil + option maybe?

reillys5 January 31, 2009 at 1:37 pm

mr north jersey – green is a righty…and i have been saying they need another lefty for the pen for a while until i read/heard something that made me NOT want another one, (unless he can get both batters out from both sides of the plate) – the mets had felicano and show last year, both couldnt get right handed hitters out, one jus took up space, but they were there and while everyone else was tired and overused they had to put one in vs a righty (wes helms) it burned them…so i would be comfortable with just pedro as the only lefty in the pen

atrain311 January 31, 2009 at 11:25 am

I need some moves to be made already. Deep down, I want to believe something bigger is going to happen. I’m not saying right now or even during the off season, but I believe before this year is done, we will have a different looking ball club. Come on Omar, don’t let me down. :)

reillys5 January 31, 2009 at 1:39 pm

i will believer with you too atrain..hey if you look at it this way, its just about time for another big move to happen, after the season it was 2 months of silence before omar came out like denzel washington from training day and made two huge moves, it has been silent for just about 2 months now…shhh quite before the storm…………..

steadyeddie January 31, 2009 at 11:25 am

what teams are rebuilding
and what do have to trade?
Omar, time for Plan B.
2 weeks til pitchers report
who they gonna be?

dominicanboy08 January 31, 2009 at 11:34 am

I dont think we have to trade when there are so many quality free agents.

cjr126 January 31, 2009 at 11:38 am

it disgusts me to read that the mets prefer wolf over sheets because of injuries.

however, wolf prior to this year had 3 years with a combined 43 starts (14 per season) and sheets over the last 8 years has given you at least 25 starts with the exception of 2 years.

sheets is also 2 years younger.

so why don’t the mets tell you the real reason they like wolf over sheets is because of the money.

i’m fine if the mets don’t want to increase their payroll, but just come out and be upfront and honest with the fans.

i’m tired of hearing from the wilpons how they have no restrictions on this years payroll yet every player they want they have to nickel and dime them.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:14 pm

well i guess thats part of leverage and negotiations man – remember the wendy’s threeconomics add campaign lol

86_revisited January 31, 2009 at 12:41 pm

The big concern with Sheets is not just an injury history, but that his injury history also includes a bad back . . . a bad back is one of the few things that they really can’t fix yet. Remember what happened to Mattingly and Edgardo Alfonzo after they started having back trouble? If it had just been Sheets’ arm/shoulder, I think the Mets (along with every other team in baseball) would be significantly more interested . . .

Stan A January 31, 2009 at 11:39 am

I just don’t understand how Wolf, who’s never had a good season, always above 4.00 ERA, can be more desireable than Sheets. What could be in his medical record which makes a younger, more accomplished Sheets less valuable than an older unaccomplished Wolf?

And why are the Mets so hot on Perez? Even in his year before free agency, when he has the most incentive to put up big numbers, he was disappointing.

After a terrific beginning (K-Rod, Putz) this is looking like a disappointing off season. We come into the season with the same starting rotation full of question marks, plus a bunch of discarded Nats players like Redding and others so obscure I can’t remember their names. With so few teams spending this year, it was the chance for the Mets to stock up on some really good players at relative bargain prices.

Number57 January 31, 2009 at 11:44 am

I would rather have a proven major league pitcher pitch games for us than sit on the bench, and I’m sure the FO feels the same way. Why should we risk a spot on the rotation?

dominicanboy08 January 31, 2009 at 11:45 am

dominicanboy08 says:
January 31, 2009 at 11:14 am
sign ollie/sheets, then we will be fine. remember the rotation we had in 2006? but we had a shut down bullpen back then,so with this new bullpen we will win the division.

not to mention that pelfrey could be a stud pitcher, maine is expected to be healthy. and we have better depth in the rotation with niese,redding and garcia.

the key will be our new bullpen.

LETS GO METS!!

RELAX!!

TheWizard7 January 31, 2009 at 1:50 pm

I think the Mets want a 2nd lefty to face Philly

tonym January 31, 2009 at 11:43 am

“i’m tired of hearing from the wilpons how they have no restrictions on this years payroll yet every player they want they have to nickel and dime them

Yup. It’s BS, they are LIARS”

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 11:52 am

agreed

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 11:50 am

hey guys its time for the sat edition of “this day in mets infamy with rusty” so lets cut through all the manny b.s lol

happy b-day to flame thrower and the biggest trade blunder in mets history Nolan Ryan (1947)
Bob Apodaca (1950)
Rafael Santana (1958)
Died on this date:

Harry Chiti (2002)
Transactions:
San Diego Padres signed Mike Piazza of the New York Mets as a free agent on January 31, 2006.

oleosmirf January 31, 2009 at 11:54 am

this is great news…although you still have to take a gamble on Sheets.

sign Sheets and even if he goes down for the year in July we still have Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Redding, Garcia/Niese/Pedro which we can live with until the deadline…

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:03 pm

great news?? just cuz we decide not to resign ollie doesnt mean we automaticly sign sheets oleo

oleosmirf January 31, 2009 at 12:05 pm

no but i can’t see them going into the year with a rotation of Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Redding, Niese.

and that rotation is only doable if Manny is in LF.

oleosmirf January 31, 2009 at 12:06 pm

actually knowing the Mets, i wouldnt be suprised…

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:08 pm

oleo i love ya man but come on with the manny crap damn i was gonna go to shea but my heat cut out – the heating guy just left !!! fruckin a!!

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rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 11:54 am

guys here is courtesy of mlbtr the remaining free agent pitchers
Starting pitchers
Kris Benson (33)
Paul Byrd (38) – Type B, offered arb
Roger Clemens (46)
Tom Glavine (43)
Livan Hernandez (34)
Orlando Hernandez (43)
Chuck James (27)
Jason Jennings (30)
Jon Lieber (39)
Braden Looper (34) – Type B, not offered arb
Rodrigo Lopez (33)
Pedro Martinez (37)
Mark Mulder (31)
John Parrish (31)
Odalis Perez (32)
Oliver Perez (27) – Type A, offered arb
Sidney Ponson (32)
Kenny Rogers (44)
Curt Schilling (42)
Ben Sheets (30) – Type A, offered arb
Kip Wells (32)
Randy Wolf (32) – Type B, not offered arb

ponson and mulder do grab my attention . your thoughts?

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 12:00 pm

i spotted a typo. shouldnt it say 53 next to Orlando Hernandez???

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:03 pm

lol i think he is as old as abraham when he had issac lol

DallasMetsFan January 31, 2009 at 11:55 am

If Detroit takes Castillo or eats some of Dontelle Willis contract I would love to have his left are in the rotation. He excelled in the NL East. And he can pinch hit, he’s a two in one player. I was talking about a trade for him a long time ago cause Tigers is a team with a lot of starters.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:04 pm

why would the tigers take slappy – he cant even play mlb09 well lol

DallasMetsFan January 31, 2009 at 12:13 pm

I dont think they will either, but they may eat 2 mil a year, who knows. If we can get rid of Castillo we can have Hudson. Imagine ridding Castillo and gettin Hudson and Willis in return. Thats in a perfect world of course.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:15 pm

hudson – was kinda on the decline also man and hand injuries are hard to get over man

Anthony-n-VA January 31, 2009 at 12:10 pm

He hasnt’ been great since 05, though he was slightly above average in 2006. The past two seasons have bee horrid; he is no longer able to throw strikes.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:12 pm

and they would want a no hit barely feild second baseman?? all they would have to do is sign a-rey – oh wait we did already :P

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 11:56 am

Wats all this crap “Perez loves the mets” if he did he wouldnt be yanking our chain. I understand its Boras, however anyone remember A-rods situation? I hope you read this you missle head (perez). Stop this holdin out ,crap! 2 weeks to P n C and you wana pull this to the team you love???????????????

FSMetFan January 31, 2009 at 12:11 pm

yeah and well see how much money he gets if he doesnt sign with the mets…hell be lucky if he gets 3 years with another team

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:13 pm

he might pull a kyle loshe – sign a decent one year deal then test the waters again next year

DallasMetsFan January 31, 2009 at 12:16 pm

He’s healthy, young enough that he will get three years but no one will pay more than the Mets if anything a team will equal the money and years and then its up to Perez. I say step on Perez neck and force him to sign or let him just walk, That is his specialty..lets return the favor.

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:17 pm

never under estimate the dodgers or the brewers man – they got money to spend as do the angels – i dont care what they say

Slim January 31, 2009 at 11:59 am

Trade for Bondo. He hates losing and hates being taken out of the game. He’s got a win at all costs mentality which Dopey OP doesn’t have…

FSMetFan January 31, 2009 at 12:08 pm

im selling my tickets if we get wolf instead of sheets or ollie…santana, a pelfrey who you may not know what your getting, maine you dont know what your getting, wolf is bad, redding is bad, garcia is bad…great rotation but atleast with that the season wont come down to the last game again

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:11 pm

fs – ya should change yer name to fwmetssfa – fair weather mets fan that is

FSMetFan January 31, 2009 at 12:28 pm

good one…you figure that out all by yourself or i just guess youll be happy with 3 number 5 starters in the rotation…bc thats exactly what it is and im obv not selling my tix…the fact that i bought them after the last 2 pathetic finishes should say enough…just trying to get a point across

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:10 pm

guys – key word in the mltr post about tiger pitching being available

This doesn’t mean Dombrowski seriously considered dealing pitching – ok game over on that idea

cjr126 January 31, 2009 at 12:17 pm

for what its worth jon garland was a much better option than oliver perez.

i checked out both pitchers stats over the past 5-7 years and garland has at least 32 starts in each of the last 7 years and perez only has 2 years where he has made 30+ starts.

also, garland’s era & whip are much better and more consistent and he pitched in the american league with smaller ballparks and the dh.

garland has not had an era over 5 in any of the last 7 years and perez has 3 years with an era of between 5.50 and 7.00.

garland signed a 1 year deal with an option which basically works out to either a 1 yr deal for $8.75 or 2 yrs $16.0 which is a lot less than what we are offering for perez and garland is also only 29 years old.

looks like omar dropped the ball on this one to.

i’ve been saying it all off season i would have rather the mets sign sheets/garland than any one else.

that would be a heck of a lot better 4/5 than perez/redding.

Sylar January 31, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Garland is much worse than Perez.

oleosmirf January 31, 2009 at 12:17 pm

right now we are no better then were last season.

sure upgrading the bullpen was a great start but then you cant go and downgrade the lineup and the rotation…

rustystaubsillegitmateson January 31, 2009 at 12:20 pm

i disagree oleo our 1 – 4 is still as good as last year – if and thats a big if – garcia can get back to his pre 07 form – which is quite possible – our pen is strong – our hitting might be suspect but hey we didnt have church at 100% and we had plenty of scrubs in lf before we settlesd on the murph tatis / evans platoon last year – and we still were second in the leauge in runs scored – so if anything we improved our team from the 7th inning on vastly

alwayswright January 31, 2009 at 12:19 pm

what do you mean no hit????? the man has hit atleast 290 since 2002. and why would we even consider last years stats? the man came off of knee surgery. are we supposed to throw him under the bus just because he didnt bounce back from knee surgery like everyone wanted? I mean seriously every time someone under performs for whatever reason people want to throw them under the bus. you have to understand not every player is gonna perform to his potential year in and year out. its just impossible. so we have to take the good with the bad. especially playin in NY where everything you do is observed under a microscope

mistermet January 31, 2009 at 12:22 pm

How could these clowns possibly prefer Wolf over Sheets? Unfathomable. Let the headcase Perez go somewhere else- sign Sheets, Manny now.

41seaver January 31, 2009 at 12:23 pm

I’ve been a big supporter of signing Manny. If that’s not going to happen, then I think they need to sign Abreu. Offer him one year with an option. His defense will be similar to Cliff Floyd (arm mades up for lack of range).

I realize this will overload the lineup with lefties but I wouldn’t mind having Tatis and Murphy as the first two bats off the bench. I’m sure the team “loves Murphy” but for now, they could use him as a super sub (LF, 3B, 1B).

This also gives the Mets a reasonable insurance policy in RF if Church needs extra rest and goesn’t rush F-Mart. If F-Mart is ready by July, Abreu could be moved in a trade later or simply let him go next year.

Abreu under these circumstances would be playing for a contract again next year.

SantanaClause January 31, 2009 at 12:35 pm

If you get Abre-boo then i would like to see murphy in AAA working out at 2nd base or just thinking outside the box what about teaching Murphy to catch. I wouldnt mind seeing in a few years Murphy and Thole behind the plate.

MikePiazza31 January 31, 2009 at 12:29 pm

ollie is the best fit starter out there for this team. we’ve had him for 2 1/2 years now and hes only gotten better you gotta bring him back. and in reference to the tigers trading pitching, i think if any one will go it will be d-train

eligoodrich January 31, 2009 at 12:45 pm

clearly,the fans dont know everything. There is something wrong with Sheets that clearly makes it not worth it to sign him. He is better ,but it goes further than that

mistermet January 31, 2009 at 12:47 pm

Yeah we’ve had “Ollie” for 2.5 years, and we’ve seen 3 collapses over that time. Time to move on, and change the mix.

mistermet January 31, 2009 at 12:47 pm

Why not just sign Manny only, if the budget is such a big deal? Is there anyone on this blog who can honestly tell me that, if they had to choose only one, that they would take the erratic headcase Oliver Perez or garbage Randy Wolf over MANNY RAMIREZ, the most dynamic RH hitter we’ve seen in the past 50 years? I understand they want pitching, but it’s not like you have Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson on the free agent market right now.

Sign Manny, forget about these so-so pitchres, and then sign Pedro (cheap). Payroll is under 130 million right now- signing Manny would put it up around 150 million, which would only put it 10 million over last year’s payroll- and this is a team with soaring revenue streams that’s moving into a new stadium, with a new network, etc. If the fans are paying astronomical prices for tickets, well, in turn, I don’t think it’s so much to ask that the payroll be raised 10 million dollars.

I’m sick of it, they won’t get any of my money this year. If they think they can just go sign headcase Oliver Perez and “call it a day,” they’ll finish 3rd, and I won’t give the Mets one red cent this year.

Sylar January 31, 2009 at 12:52 pm

We finish in 3rd if we only sign Pedro, regardless of Manny. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Oh, and btw…. no one cares if you won’t pay a “red cent”. The way you constantly moan and whine, why would anybody expect any different from you?

Oh, and for the last time, 2006 was not a collapse in any way shape or form.

reillys5 January 31, 2009 at 3:03 pm

mistermet i laughed harder the first time i read your comment on the actual site this info came from…get a hobby besides constantly whining about what the mets should do

fongulalou January 31, 2009 at 12:51 pm

At this point Omar, I give up! What exactly is
the plan here?-Johan,Pelf,Maine,Redding&Niese-
Jose,Castillo,Wright,Beltron,Delgado,Church,
Murp/Tatis&Scheider-And this even remotely
appears to be a Contender let alone a Championship team? I may have to take back
calling mgmt”Happy Second Place Finishers”
‘Cause that don’t look like no second place
team to me!-But keep it up You guys are doin’
a Great Job.

eligoodrich January 31, 2009 at 12:52 pm

they dont need it,Ill give them a lot of money. Stop sounding so fair weathered. I know this team will be better then art howe years,im happy to be competitve ,but I guess if you became a fan in 06 then this tean isnt good enough to root for and even love.

Chris Alvino January 31, 2009 at 1:13 pm

Abreu is way too good for the Mets to not nab him. He hits lefties better than most right handed hitters.

eligoodrich January 31, 2009 at 1:34 pm

I agree,He has a .315 average against lefties last season and in the last 3 years he has hit .292. His left-handedness is not an issue. Church played some left in washington. That would improve our line-up and move tatis/murphy out of a starting role. I think that would be good for Murphy,as someone said before a supersub for Clastillo,Church,Delgado.

eligoodrich January 31, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Castillo*

Kalihan42 January 31, 2009 at 1:21 pm

I think ity might be prudent at this point to say this to Bora$. Simply, we are moving on if you do not come around now, and try to find as good of an offer as we’ve given you. If he doesn’t come to the table to talk SCREW Ollie at this point.

Knuckler January 31, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Abreu would be nice but Dunn I believe would be even better. I am a firm believer that Dunn’s numbers in this line-up would improve dramatically. He also plays first base which gives you a little more versatility in case Delgado needs a rest or god forbid gets hurt for any stretch. I don’t get how 40 Hrs. 100 RBI and good on bade percentage on a bad reds team is not enticing. In a perfect world Manny bats 4th for the Mets. But if not I believe Dunn anywhere from 2nd to 6th in our line-up make us better.But if not I believe Dunn anywhere from 2nd to 6th in our line-up make us better.

Knuckler January 31, 2009 at 1:23 pm

**base**

biomarco5 January 31, 2009 at 1:31 pm

Still can’t understand why we are paying Perez like he is a #2 starter.

seems like a waste of resources

tonym January 31, 2009 at 1:34 pm

“I don’t care what Joe DeMayo says, the Mets are signing Manny. Fred Wilpon doesn’t run this team anymore, Jeff does, and you can tell that Jeff wants Manny just as much as Omar.”

Deluded much?

cjr126 January 31, 2009 at 2:13 pm

i’d rather have manny plus pedro than perez and any of our current left fielders.

if you can’t upgrade the starting pitching than go and upgrade the offense with manny.

manny can help you every day where as perez can only help you every 5th day.

nymgb44 January 31, 2009 at 4:27 pm

Here’s my hope: the deadline goes by, and the Mets move on to Randy Wolf, whom they sign to a one-year, $7 million contract with a $9 million option for 2010 and a $1 million buyout. Then, they open up the pocketbook for Manny, signing him to a three-year, $75 million deal. Meanwhile, Oliver Perez signs for three years, $27 million with the Dodgers, who give us the 17th pick in the draft.

Here’s my realistic hope: same scenario, except instead of Wolf the team signs Ben Sheets and another bat, like Bobby Abreu or Garrett Anderson (please no Adam Dunn; we don’t need any more rally-killers in this lineup).

belikmike23 January 31, 2009 at 6:21 pm

In Sporting News Magazine, Ryan Howard was asked which pitcher he would pay to not have to face, and his answer was Oliver Perez.

mistermet February 2, 2009 at 12:37 am

Relly5s,

You’re an idiot. I guess we’ll just sign headcase Perez, and then print World Series tickets, will we? You’re an idiot if you’d rather have a so-so pitcher over MANNY RAMIREZ if you could only choose one. It’s not like Bob Gibson and Sandy Koufax are on the free agent market. My points are always very astute.

mistermet February 2, 2009 at 12:39 am

MikePIazza31,

You should fact check the point you made. You said that Perez has gotten better and better over the 2.5 years we’ve had him. Not true. He regressed markedly in 2008 compared to 2007. Let him go somewhere else- Sign Manny.

mistermet February 2, 2009 at 12:50 am

Weekend is over. Time to move on from headcase Perez! Hope someone else signs him, and we sign Sheets and/or Manny instead.

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