Comments on: Outfield: Abreu and Wolf, or Oliver Perez http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Giantmetfan08 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-451144 Giantmetfan08 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:56:32 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-451144 screw pedro. I loved his years ago but hes way out of his prime, he should just retire. screw pedro.

I loved his years ago but hes way out of his prime, he should just retire.

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450904 Another Matt Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:37:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450904 I'd have to go Perez + Sheets. We have to expect some fall-off, but last year Tatis+Murphy were a better offense than Abreu (who, at 35 this season, also can't be relied on to keep producing at last year's rate), and an 18' fence probably won't help Abreu's fear of the wall (there's no way I'd let him anywhere near Citi's right field maze). In comparison replacing whichever it would otherwise have been of Garcia, Niese or Redding with Sheets is night-and-day, clearly worth several wins, depending on Sheets' health. I’d have to go Perez + Sheets.

We have to expect some fall-off, but last year Tatis+Murphy were a better offense than Abreu (who, at 35 this season, also can’t be relied on to keep producing at last year’s rate), and an 18′ fence probably won’t help Abreu’s fear of the wall (there’s no way I’d let him anywhere near Citi’s right field maze).

In comparison replacing whichever it would otherwise have been of Garcia, Niese or Redding with Sheets is night-and-day, clearly worth several wins, depending on Sheets’ health.

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450876 Another Matt Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:26:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450876 In fact, I looked it up. Here's how many starts they've made over each of the last 5 seasons: Wolf: 23, 13, 12, 18, 33 Sheets: 34, 22, 17, 24, 31 And Innings Pitched: Wolf: 136 2/3, 80, 56 2/3, 102 2/3, 190 1/3 Sheets: 237, 156 2/3, 106, 141 1/3, 198 1/3 In other words, Sheets has made more starts in 4 of the last 5 years than Wolf, and pitched more innings in all 5 years. And Sheets' worst ERA+ in that period is way better than Wolf's best. There must be something really scary in Sheets' MRIs. I wonder if teams have paid equal attention to Wolf's. Because in terms of past performance, there is no criterion by which Wolf is worthy of shining Sheets' shoes. In fact, I looked it up. Here’s how many starts they’ve made over each of the last 5 seasons:

Wolf: 23, 13, 12, 18, 33
Sheets: 34, 22, 17, 24, 31

And Innings Pitched:

Wolf: 136 2/3, 80, 56 2/3, 102 2/3, 190 1/3
Sheets: 237, 156 2/3, 106, 141 1/3, 198 1/3

In other words, Sheets has made more starts in 4 of the last 5 years than Wolf, and pitched more innings in all 5 years. And Sheets’ worst ERA+ in that period is way better than Wolf’s best.

There must be something really scary in Sheets’ MRIs. I wonder if teams have paid equal attention to Wolf’s. Because in terms of past performance, there is no criterion by which Wolf is worthy of shining Sheets’ shoes.

]]> By: biomarco5 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450839 biomarco5 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:20:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450839 could we have a manny pedro option? could we have a manny pedro option?

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450826 Another Matt Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:17:57 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450826 But as Matt has pointed out more than once, there's always a trade market for an under-30 lefty with a live arm. Even if he's a bust teams are likely to think they can fix him. The last 5 seasons, Wolf has made 23, 13, 12, 18 and 33 starts (c.f. "injury prone" Sheets: 34, 22, 17, 24 and 31 - more starts in 4 out of the last 5 years than Wolf!). Perez on the other hand has no history of major injury. Sheets is a huge risk - if he's the only pitcher signed and he only pitches half a season, that means we play half the season with no genuine #2 and two marginal #5s in the rotation. If we get Perez *and* Sheets, I'll be happy because we can make do if we don't get a full season of Sheets. But as Matt has pointed out more than once, there’s always a trade market for an under-30 lefty with a live arm. Even if he’s a bust teams are likely to think they can fix him.

The last 5 seasons, Wolf has made 23, 13, 12, 18 and 33 starts (c.f. “injury prone” Sheets: 34, 22, 17, 24 and 31 – more starts in 4 out of the last 5 years than Wolf!). Perez on the other hand has no history of major injury.

Sheets is a huge risk – if he’s the only pitcher signed and he only pitches half a season, that means we play half the season with no genuine #2 and two marginal #5s in the rotation. If we get Perez *and* Sheets, I’ll be happy because we can make do if we don’t get a full season of Sheets.

]]> By: Chris02M http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450683 Chris02M Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:44:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450683 why cudnt they just sign both abreu and perez. if perez gets 12 mil that wud leave payroll at 133-135 depending if garcia makes the team.then annother 7-8 mil puts them at last years number why cudnt they just sign both abreu and perez. if perez gets 12 mil that wud leave payroll at 133-135 depending if garcia makes the team.then annother 7-8 mil puts them at last years number

]]> By: Al Kykyoras http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450679 Al Kykyoras Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:42:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450679 Yes. Perez is clearly more talented and younger than Wolf. Perez is so inconsistent, however, that his aggregate performance is slightly better than Wolf's. There is nothing that says Wolf can't pitch in NY either. Perez has shown a penchant for being able to pitching "big" games, but also has a penchant for blowing up frequently. Million dollar arm and a 5 cent head. Perez is a thrower and it remains to be seen if he'll ever be a pitcher. Perez for a guaranteed 3 years is as much of a risk and is more expensive than signing Ben Sheets for a year. The Mets will be sorry if they sign Perez, but it looks like it's likely to happen. I like Perez and all because he's good when he's on, but you never know what you're going to get with him. Yes. Perez is clearly more talented and younger than Wolf. Perez is so inconsistent, however, that his aggregate performance is slightly better than Wolf’s.

There is nothing that says Wolf can’t pitch in NY either. Perez has shown a penchant for being able to pitching “big” games, but also has a penchant for blowing up frequently.

Million dollar arm and a 5 cent head. Perez is a thrower and it remains to be seen if he’ll ever be a pitcher.

Perez for a guaranteed 3 years is as much of a risk and is more expensive than signing Ben Sheets for a year.

The Mets will be sorry if they sign Perez, but it looks like it’s likely to happen. I like Perez and all because he’s good when he’s on, but you never know what you’re going to get with him.

]]> By: LetsGoMets123 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450564 LetsGoMets123 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:10:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450564 My choice would be 4years Ollie and 1year Abreu My choice would be 4years Ollie and 1year Abreu

]]> By: Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450533 Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:01:56 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450533 Ollie is also 5 years younger than Wolf and can pitch in NY... Ollie is also 5 years younger than Wolf and can pitch in NY…

]]> By: mets9268 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450525 mets9268 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:00:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/02/outfield-abreu-and-wolf-or-oliver-perez/#comment-450525 I know where not getting him but if we did having him behind Delgado is the best way to go. Take a look at the numbers Ortiz put up with Manny behind him and than look at the numbers when Manny wasn't in the lineup. Its night and day. If Manny is behind Delgado, they can't pitch around him and put someone on for Manny, so Delgado will see a lot more fastballs. Take a look at Andre Ethier from the Dodgers. Once Manny went to LA, Ethier was the 4th most productive OF in all of baseball. He batted almost .400 the rest of the season with really good pop. I know where not getting him but if we did having him behind Delgado is the best way to go. Take a look at the numbers Ortiz put up with Manny behind him and than look at the numbers when Manny wasn’t in the lineup. Its night and day. If Manny is behind Delgado, they can’t pitch around him and put someone on for Manny, so Delgado will see a lot more fastballs.
Take a look at Andre Ethier from the Dodgers. Once Manny went to LA, Ethier was the 4th most productive OF in all of baseball. He batted almost .400 the rest of the season with really good pop.

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