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Update, 4:50 pm:
In a post to his blog for 1050 ESPN Radio, Andrew Marchand explains why, after signing Oliver Perez, “This probably means the Mets are out of the Manny Ramirez Sweepstakes.”
…whatever, i still hope WFAN’s Tony Paige is correct, from below…
…make a run, Omar, make a run… you know you want to…
Original Post:
The last day or so, several people have e-mailed me saying WFAN’s Tony Paige mentioned the Mets had interest in Manny Ramirez, while on a recent overnight broadcast for the New York sports radio station.
I did not hear his statements first hand.
However, Paige told me in an e-mail, “All I said was, someone, who deals with Mets management (and he’s credible), told me the Mets were interested in Manny Ramirez and something may happen this week.”
Paige added, “I didn’t say they were going to sign him,’ simply stating that the two sides could end up speaking soon.
To listen to WFAN online, go to WFAN.com.
…i don’t doubt the Mets are interested in manny… i mean, how could they not be… it is hard to deny the impact he would have in the lineup… however, as a ‘situation,’ as a ‘contract, he’s a bit more complicated… and, unfortunately, you can’t get one without the other…
…as i said this morning, i get the feeling the issue with him for the Mets is less about the dollars and personality, and more about the years… i believe they are intrigued by thoughts of ramirez in the batting order… however, i do not think they are interested in some day babysitting a 39–year-old, lumbering, disgruntled designated hitter in the National League, who is making $30 million per season…
finally. give him what he wants
SIGN HIM!!!!!
You gotta start somewhere
Tony Paige is now the leading story breaker in NY sports!!??
At least it wasnt Jon Heyman
Or Fat-cesa
please….make…..it……stop…..
SIGN MANNY!!!!
Its easier to spend money they isn’t mine, but considering the only offer for Manny we have heard was 2yrs @ $45 million, why not make an offer of 2yrs @ $55-60 mill?
If nobody else gets involved, Manny will have to accept a 2 year deal, right?
That’s quite a jump. Supposedly the Dodgers pulled that offer anyway, so put the ball intheir court. Offer 2/46 and say you tried!
Id offer one year at 30m, tell boras he’s got 24 hours to accept the offer before we move on to Adam Dunn.
What do you want Dunn for. He’s a big lumbering oaf that strikes out too much.
He’s the white Delgado :)
Because he gets on base and hits homers, and he would push tatis/murphy to the bench, thus making the bench stronger.
Just glad to have a fresh comments thread to post on!
If the Mets are going to spend any more money, I would rather they sign Sheets.
The thought of Manny hitting a bomb off Cole Hamels to dead center field and standing in the box for a long period of time and just starting at it would be priceless.
That image gives me goose bumps.
And then having KROD strike out Rollins and point his fingers in the air is also priceless
i prefer K-Rod put one in Rollins’ back and then strike out the next guy and point to the sky
That would work!!
Sounds pretty f-in great.
Manny is not going to be disgruntled or behave bad, I promise that. Those days are past him. H enever did anything with the dodgers, or witht he indians. His first 7 years with the red sox was fine. Manny will not get 30 million, he will be getting 23 million. 2
Dont worry about the years 2 years with a 3rd option si what he will get.
Oh wow — open up the flood-gates of comments…
Sign Manny :)
2/50, and call it a day
MO MANNY
MO MANNY
MO MANNY
HYEAHA!!!
MO MANNY
MO MANNY
MO MANNY
HYEAHA!!!!
please dont say mo and many in the same sentence
they should sign manny….is it going to happen?…doubtful
F YEAH IT’S GONNA HAPPEN!!!
I think we should put trying to win a championship first and babysitting second.
winning a championship IS first if they sign manny…with how disgruntled he was in boston…he sure put up big numbers…watch clips of him in L.A…sure seemed like he was hustling there…
That’s because he was playing for a NEW contract, which Boras said would be 4 years at 25 per.
Go look at Manny in ‘06 and ‘07 when he played 130 games. That’s the Manny you would be getting. Still an Opposing and fear inducing hitter. Not the .400 17HR in 53 games manny of the dodgers.
If he puts up the numbers from last year (.332 37 121), he can require all the babysitting in the world.
ill babysit him
they COULD sign manny
they SHOULD sign Manny.
whether you’re pro or anti manny, there is one thing we can all agree upon: with perez locked up, this will be the focal point of the offseason for at least the next two weeks or so until camp opens up.
ABSOLUTELY
More like two months.
Sheets.
That also works, but I think Manny would be more of a difference maker to the team.
Manny would be a huge addition, but Sheets will cost significantly less. Everyone here saying the line-up needs a huge addition seems to forget that this team won 89 games last year with essentially no bullpen whatsoever.
The Mets (and their fans) should have no problem babysitting “a 39–year-old, lumbering, disgruntled designated hitter in the National League, who is making $30 million per season…” if he has helped get us one or more rings by that time.
I agree. If it doesn’t work out, that’s life but it’s clear that adding him to the team would make us as good as we arguably could be. Don’t forget that now Church/Murphy become trade bait. Maybe we trade Church to Texas for one of their catchers?
Murphy is barely a leftfielder, let alone a rightfielder (generally the more challenging defensive position). Trading Church would leave the Mets with an abysmal outfield defense that even Carlos Beltran could not fix.
God, the thought of Manny in our line up gives me chills, literally. I mean, we’d instantly be favorites in the NL East and either the favorites in the NL or second behind the Cubs.
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Manny
Beltran
Delgado
Church
Catcher
Pitcher
Seriously? That is downright NASTY!!!
Big time. Considering Church has decent range in RF, Beltran can shade over a bit and cover most ground Manny won’t get to. Dude’s still got an arm, just not so quick on his feet.
quick with his bat though..lol
think i’d do,
Reyes
Church
Wright
Manny
Delgado
Beltran
Scnider
Castillo
or
Reyes
Beltran
Manny
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Schieder
Castillo
Having Wright as a utility guy would be super!
yeah man, the lineups that good :)
swap Castillo with Beltran & your good to go!!!
(although i still dont think we’ll see him in a Met uniform)
PLEASE PLEASE F**KING SIGN MANNY. THIS GUY WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE AND THEY’LL CLINCH IN EARLY SEPT NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE LAST WEEKEND
having manny would solidify this lineup…and him coming to citi field would definately ignite a new feel towards this team after the two collapses
How do the dominoes begin falling?
Wolf to the Dodgers is a no brainer. He was holding out hope the Mets would sign him.
Sheets may end up in St Louis. Just a hunch. there’s a spot in the rotation and a kid who can step up should Sheets faulter. I think Omar is comfortable with Garcia & Redding for the 5th spot, and still has two prospects getting their work in at AAA.
Pedro to the Dodgers? why not. They have money to spend, he’ll be cheap, and it could be a very productive long awaited homecoming.
Manny to the Dodgers. I hear they more than enough money to make a big splash, and now they can do it.
Dunn to the Red Sox makes sense with Fenway’s short RF porch. Ortiz-Bay-Dunn… how do you pitch around them?
Abreu to the Giants. Giants looking for miore offense. They could be scary with their pitching. Wait, they already were.
O-Dog – Do GM’s see the Castillo – Hudson Parallels? He will be lucky to get 2 years. Huge risk
Well, if your going to PLAY GM for other teams….
I really have been thinking about why the Cubs haven’t been going after Orlando Hudson. They’ve been going after Brain Roberts for years but never anti-ed up the prospects. They’d have to pay him eventually. My question is why not go after Hudson, probably not as good as Roberts but an adequate, cheaper replacement. Nobody but Nationals are really going after him. As a Met fan I think of him as too similar to Castillo for my taste.
I want tob reasure people…I am a Met fan!
I just gotten bored playing and criticizing Mets GM.
Dunn isn’t going to Boston. They already have 5 Outfielders.
Bay, Ellsbury, Drew and Baldelli.
The others aren’t far off. But i think Pedro goes somewhere like Pittsburgh or signs a Minor League deal with the Mets to be the 5th starter.
The others are spot on i think, other then hopefully sheets signs with the Mets.
If the Mets want to go to the playoffs, then I think we have a good team to do that. If the Mets want to win the World Series, then sign MANNY. Who cares about the money the Wilpons got it, I believe if you have it, then flaunt it. IT TIME TO WIN.
REYES
BELTRAN
WRIGHT
MANNY
DELGADO
CHURCH
CASTILLO
CATCHER
PITCHER
Reyes
Beltran
Manny
Delgado
Wright
Church
Castillo
Catcher
Pitcher
Break up the hitters like this – other teams’ bullpens will have no clue what to do.
REYES
BELTRAN
WRIGHT
DELGADO
DUNN
CHURCH
CATCHER
PITCHER
CASTILLO
Reyes
Beltran
Manny
Delgado
Wright
Church/Tatis
Schnieder/Blastro
Murphy/Castillo
1. Reyes
2. Hudson
3. Manny
4. Delgado
5. Wright
6. Beltran
7.I-Rod
8. Church/Tatis
1. Santana
2. Sheets
3. Pelfrey
4. Perez
5. Maine
KRod
Putz
Green
Feleciano
Sanchez
Garcia
Redding
We then trade Castillo and schnider to the Venizuala penal league for Burgos and Uggie urbina to have some depth at triple A
Razors lineup looks the best for me.
man its torture thinking about this
ohh man the thought
Agreed, Hopefully Manuel will consider an occasional start at second for murphy
I agree. If we have a left feilder and enough guys on the bench to fill the void, I wouldn’t mind sending Murphy to AAA for a month or so to learn 2nd until ready.
Don’t get me wrong, I believe he deserves to be on a major leage roster, but believe he’d be of more value if he came back as a second basemen.
Buster Olney in his chat said after the Perez deal, the Mets do not have any more money to spend.
If that changes I would rather see them get Dunn for 2 years. He can play the corner this year and 1st once Delgado is gone. The cost is way more reasonable than many also.
its not that the mets dont have any more money to spend…its that they are unwilling to spend it..please..us fans arent that stupid to realize that
Tru dat but I bet the Wilpon’s are concerned about the stadium naming rights falling through. The Obama administration already squashed Citi’s new corporate plane and now several congressman are speaking up about the stadium. Citi and throw out the word “legally binding contract” all they want but if they get gov heat and no more gov money then it might be “Jackie Field” and the Wilpons lose out on 400million.
what about putting murph at 1B next year?
Buster Olney never gets anything correct.
Enough with Manny already its not going to happen .I would just be happy to sign Dunn but I think we might be done for the off season
mist negativity
LOL Like I said the last time to you I wish you could tell me how wrong I am if they sign him but it won’t happen
lol…mistermet…im gonna get you and casey s….you two will be wrong when they sign manny..lol
Forget it. Theres even less of a chance of Omar signing Dunn then Manny. Atleast Manny he likes as aplayer.Omar has zero
interest in Dunn. You’re more likely to get
Abreu then Dunn.
Johan Santana
John Maine
Mike Pelfrey
Oliver Perez
Jon Niese / Freddy Garcia / Tim Redding / Pedro Martinez?
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Manny Ramirez
Castro / Schneider
Pitcher
why would you bat manny 7th?….try batting 4th
^^THATS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER. looks very similar, except for that player that will take us to the WS, whats his name again, luis castillo? no. MANNY RAMIREZ, YES
i would also liek to say that i think daniel murphy should be our second baseman.
I think you better teach him how to play 2B pretty quickly in that case.
Is that you Willie?
Get Manny!
Guys, with Manny, we would no doubt have the BEST team in the NL.
With stars like Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, K-Rod, Putz, add Manny to that..WOW.
Dont forget Johan
Agreed. We’re already at 90% “Win Now” mode, it’s stupid not to take the final plunge and go for it.
The anti-Manny folks sound alot like the group
who wanted no part of Piazza b/c we had the
great Todd Hundley behind the plate.
They also make it sound as if our corner OFers right now (Church,Tatis&Murphy) are a
group the can be called average on an ordinary team much less good on a contending team. What is it exactly they dont understand?–You put the best righty bat on a
team whos strength is mostly from the left side and you become a serious contender
to win it all.And the problem is???
1st What we understand is that Manny was Playing hard for a big Pay-Day that might not happen now. So will he be uber motivated or will he be the Manny of ‘06 and ‘07 who still was a dominate RH hitter, he only played 130 games a year and people were speculating he was finished as the 40 HR 120+ RBI guy, he wasn’t the .400 manny of last season.
2nd We understand that the Mets Operate with a BUDGET. They have for years, and will continue to. The mets won’t pa-$$ the Luxury Tax threshold, and Manny would push them past that.
3rd The mets offense was fine enough for 3 years without him. While he would make it great, doesn’t translate into anything. Pitching wins in baseball. So i’d rather take a chance on Sheets and pursue a Bat at the deadline then get hooked into Manny for 3 years.
4th. Omar doesn’t want to Block F-Mart, who might be ready this year. With Church already on the team, he would then need to be traded next year to find room for F-Mart, and F-Mart might not be called up at all to play this year, if Manny is had.
5th He is 36. While he put up a great year, his numbers will take a hit in the coming years. Only a Medically enhanced Barry Bonds were able to put up numbers like Manny did last year (for 53 games) this late in his career.
I like Tony Paige. I always listen to him during the summer after late Met games.
Anyway, I think he’s right that there is interest in Manny but the Wilpons have yet to be convinced and therefore it won’t go anywhere.
Tony’s great. I think your right. Hopefully, something will come out soon.
thats why i think met fans should have waited to do the manny rally AfTER they signed perez just so they couldnt use the excuse of they are focused at pitching
Nyfuturestars.com is talking about having another manny rally this thursday at 7:00 same deal as before
i think manny fits more to the mets than the dodgers..obviously being a mets fan i think that more than anything…but if i wasnt..i would still believe he fits more to them than the dodgers
Seriously that lineup would be scary. I would use Tatis/Reed to fill in for the corner outfield spots, and direct murphy fully into developing into our full-time 2nd baseman, despite the terrible castillo contract.
REYES
BELTRAN
WRIGHT
MANNY
DELGADO
CHURCH
MURPHY
CATCHER
PITCHER
If Manny is not an option in terms of budget, we should be looking at Sheets, Abreu, Dunn — In that order.
I WONDER IF THIS WILL HELP US OR HURT US. JUST HEAR ME OUT. PEREZ WAS A HEADCASE BEFORE HE GOT HALF THE CONTRACT HE WAS HOPING TO GET NOW IS HE ALL BETTER OR WORSE(MENTALLY)? RIGHT? WE GOTTA GET SHEETS
Please, enough with Ben Sheets already. The guy has a torn tendon in his pitching elbow that requires surgery and he is trying to pretend he can pitch with it, while almost every other pitcher in the last few years to have that same injury required surgery (Jennings, Proctor, Hampton, Pettitte). They say that you don’t know how well it heals without surgery until you test it out — and Ben Sheets is the body type to miss months with a strain, so I’d imagine his outlook is bleak. He knows if he gets the surgery now he’d have no contract, and no way to prove himself going into 2010 or 2011. Or he could try to swindle a team into paying him 2-16 so you can rehab in 2009 and use 2010 to showcase your new health for a long-term deal after the economy heals in 2011.
I do not want to pay a guy to rehab his torn elbow. Thanks.
WILPONS DONT UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A NEW STADIUM WITH LOTS OF SH** TO DO BESIDES WATCHING THE GAME. THEY REDUCED THE SEATING TO 42,000. PEOPLE WILL COME OUT TO WATCH NO MATTER WHAT. WITH MANNY IN THE LINE UP FORGET IT THAT SH** WILL BE CLOSE TO A SELL OUT EVERY NIGHT.
Buster Olney doesn’t know what he’s talking about. he’s more wrong then right and a big time Yankee lover. I believe Tony Paige before that clown without makeup.
Signing Manny = O-Hud, Dunn/Abreu, Sheets with like 5 million left over. I’m the biggest Mets fan there is, but are you telling me you’d rather have Manny then a Gold Glove 2B, 40 HR+ LF, AND another Ace?
You guys are crazy
YES
O-Hud is the second coming of Luis Castillo.
And, MAnny would out produce whatever Dunn/Abreu would bring, also negate the impact sheets would have.
Sign Manny, and David Wright will have a monster season. Plus Delgado is gone after this season and we need a heavy slugger to make up for his absence. Make it happen or sign ben sheets to give me something to look forward to.
they can do something with manny especially with contracts coming off the books next year….wouldnt they be able to design it that he gets more next year than this year?….obviously if they could agree to something
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Manny
Delgado
Church
Schneider
a little league 2nd baseman rather than castilo..no i dont mean minors
and pitcher
minus 7-9….its basically pick your poison of who you want to pitch to
LOL
Castillo, Evans, and Schneider to Houston for Tejada, and Niese, Jennry Mejia, and Kunz to Texas for Teagarden or Saltalamaccia.
1)SS – Jose Reyes
2)CF – Carlos Beltran
3)LF – Manny Ramirez
4)1B – Carlos Delgado
5)3B – David Wright
6)RF – Ryan Church
7)2B – Miguel Tejada
8)C – Teagarden or Saltalamaccia
HOOCHIE MAMA!!!
I can’t see why Houston would want a potetial bench player and two salary dumps for one…
I also can’t see why Texas would ask for Clay Bucholz and then lower its demands for a pitcher who wouldn’t crack their top 5 pitching prospects, a very distant project and a middle reliever.
Well, that’s easily explainable why you can’t see why my supposed trades don’t work…you’re baseball stupid.
I’m sorry, that was harsh….
Houston would save 2 million this year, and they actually don’t really lose any production. They’d likely need to pay for a middle infielder next year anyway; so Castillo’s 6 million isn’t that much more than they’d likely spend anyway. Factor in Evans who could immediately step in at Third for them, and who’s righty bat would play well in that park; that would greatly help off-set Castillo’s expense. I personally believe the trade works extremely well for all parties involved.
Please educate my stupidity as to how Houston would not lose productivity by replacing Tejada’s career OPS of 812 with Castillo’s .722?
Who says Evans could step right in and play 3B in the major leagues? Did you know that Evans did not play 3B in either 2006 or 2007 in the minor leagues? Take a guess why… in 2008 he played 5 games there and was abysmal. 10 PO and 3 errors. That’s why.
And who says he’ll even hit enough to be a MLB starting 3B? He was rushed to the majors after only 296 minor league at bats.
Don’t call me stupid when you’re proposing that the Mets dispose of all of their junk in one fell swoop.
How many runs responsible for do you believe Tejada and their incumbent Catching situation would produce? Figure 110 RBI and about 75 Runs? Now how many runs responsible for do you believe Castillo and Schneider would produce in Houston? Figure 135 Runs and about 60 RBI? That’s 195 to 185 in favor of Castillo and Schneider…..
They were playing Evans at First Base because Evans is a talented ball player who figured to make it to the Major Leagues. With David Wright on the team, Evans needed to find a new position. Evans natural position is Third base however.
As you said, Evans was rushed, and I think a season of regular at-bats would greatly aid his development…He’s already showed he could hit lefties, and he’s a young talent that Any team would be glad to have.
And do you think Houston is a rush to pay Castillo’s creaky knees for three more seasons? They may want to unload Tejada but they’re not going to give him away.
Tejada is finished. His career is over. He plays in minutemaid park and still had some horrible numbers last year. His power numbers are almost non existent.
I would rather have castillo at 2B.
(Dont throw anything at me)
The inclusion of Evans in the deal somewhat off-sets Castillo’s price.
Yeah, Tejada is in vast decline, but he’s still a better option than Castillo. I take Tejada; no question.
I love Teagarden, but that trade would even be rejected in MLB the Show
Is Meija in The Show? Ok, so what…swap out Meija for Marte….bottom line is the Mets have the pieces.
Don’t prostrate any Mets offer with the Rangers asking for Buccholz…did they get Clay? No, they were laughed at, so he’s not a viable comparison point.
It is a viable comparison because that is the type of player they are looking for.
On the flip side to your “argument,” did they trade him for something lesser? No? Then they must not be willing to trade him for some other team’s midlevel prospects or they would have suitors lined up.
It’s not a viable comparison because obviously they’re not worth a Clay Buccholz or they’d of been traded for him.
Niese, Kunz, and Marte are not mid-level prospects, and is far better than anything else they could possibly get from anyone else….
pretty sure K. Matsui is on the Astros too. i can’t see them doing this deal
Mastui shifts to Shortstop….
Yea trade for Tejada a steriod user who might go to jail for perjury.
Well, if he does…in steps Murphy…lol, I don’t give a whit…Castillo and Schneider are off the books….
Hey, baseball genius. Did you know that Murphy has played only 17 minor league games at 2B with a whopping .949 fielding percentage?
Do you really want him playing defense up the middle.
And before you go trading him to Minnesota to step right into their 3B job, realize he is an even worse defender at 3B with a .919 FP in 196 games.
I am fully aware of Murphy’s Second base acumen, and I’m comfortable with it. I’ll live with his defense for his offense out of the position. It’s not like he won’t work on it or try to do well or anything….I’ll take it.
Besides, I have Tatis going to Minnesota….
I wish Matt did not post this topic.
WAHHHHHHHHHH
you are always complaining in every post
sorry…i meant to put lol…
Paige was right about Beltran in ‘05!
what did he say about beltran in 05?..he was coming to the mets?
HE called the signing way before it happened.
you are right…im reading up on that right now….thats pretty cool…lets go get MANNY
I get annoyed with this topic because I want Manny on the Mets so bad but the Wilpons just don’t want to spend the money. The Wilpons obviously do not care about the fans.
They care about the fans’ money though!
maybe this will help you feel a little better
Tony Paige, the overnight sports talk show
host on WFAN has recently said on the air that he knows someone who used to work in GM Omar Minaya’s office. He says that this person still has close ties to people who work there now and according to this “source”, the Mets have spoken to Scott Boras about Manny Ramirez.
According to his “source,” the Mets will enter serious discussions with Boras about Manny this week, and an offer will at least be made
Tony Paige said several times that there is indeed interest in Manny by the front office. Now the reason I will take Paige seriously is the fact that he is credible. On the night that Carlos Beltran turned down the Houston Astros back in January of 2005, Tony went on the air and broke the news at about 12:15 am. The Houston papers did not post it on the internet until about 1 am. Page also informed listeners that Beltran had signed with the Mets at 12:30 am the same night. The Houston and New York papers did not post the news until 1:30 am. All in all, it is evident that Tony Paige does have a hook with the New York Mets, and we have to take him for his word. Also, he would not just put his job on the line like that.
Thats true, also, if the Mets really were not in on Manny, and if there was truly no way the Mets would sign him, dont you guys think that Manageemnt would of told everyone mums the word on Manny.
Beltran, Jerry, Wright, etc would have not said anything about Manny, they would have brushed off the question.
Enterkrod I had been very content with giving up on the Mets getting Manny. I was happy with going into camp with a slightly above average team. Now you are bringing me back in.
“Just when I thought I was out……….. Manny pulls me back in.”
How would he be putting his job on the line by giving the wrong information on an overnight radio show? His source could be full of you know what! Francesa is wrong all of the time ON PRIME TIME and he still has a job!
lol…metsfan…im the ringleader…lol…i bring hope to everyone here…lol…i always seem to do that regarding manny…haha….just ask mistermet…haha…i told him im gonna tell him i told you so when they sign manny
I was happiest to hear that Delgado wanted Manny too. Delgado likes being big pappi, and it was just great to hear he wants Manny too. Delgado, Beltran, Wright, and Jerry all have publicly said they want Manny Ramirez in a Mets uniform next year. Do the Wilpons and Omar support their ground troops? Let’s see if they do and sign Manny…
I’m just spreading hearsay but I’ve seen in more than one place that Tony Paige was the first to break the Beltran signing.
They can do Manny, they got almost
Sorry, they got almost 25 millon coming of the books next year, and the 2010 luxury tax is close to 170 million
2:50pm: Sherman says the Mets floated various packages that could total $44MM over four years, but Boras and Perez preferred the shorter term at the higher salary.
That makes sense for him. He’ll be 30 when his contract is up.
As a business decision, they HAVE to sign Manny. It’s too easy.
it just makes a whole lot of sense
It may be easy as a baseball decision. But I don’t see it as an easy business decision because:
– it will push them at or around the luxury tax threshold (which will limit further transactions or cost them additional tax money at around 20%)
– he likely will not increase revenues..the park well sell out, the advertisers will still advertise and jose reyes and david wright sell plenty of jerseys and K-rod will too
– his contract will become a bigger problem after this season when Wright and Reyes each make more money, Maine is a free agent, a new 1B will have to be signed or Delgado re-signed, escalating salaries in other contracts are accounted for
– he’s 37 and may want a 3 year deal at huge money and can barely play defense right now
– he won’t be happy in NY (for the fiftieth time I will refer people to his own comments in TJ Simers September 28, 2008 LA Times article)
I may sound too optimistic here but wait till they win the WS. DEY WILL BE RAKIN IN DA CASH CAUSE MANRAM MAKE IT RAIN.
Now that Ollie is signed, this is a more appropriate time to hold a Manny rally outside of SNY. Any word on that?
thats what i keep saying…there was rumors that there is going to be another manny rally…just not sure about the details
Everyone please email the new york mets requesting they get manny. Lets just keep flooding their system until they listen
Hey it worked with Jericho on CBS. We should mail them 99lbs of fake dreads, lol.
Perfect lol
whats the email address
“however, i do not think they are interested in some day babysitting a 39–year-old, lumbering, disgruntled designated hitter in the National League, who is making $30 million per season…”
Cerrone, that has to be the biggest “OUCH” comment I’ve ever seen you post.
They will after tasting the championships he helped them experience.
lets get manny…call it an offseason…have every met fan be happy…forget the past two seasons….if they fail again…we cant call for omar’s or wilpons heads..it will be on the players…have manny bat 4th..pitchers will have to pick who they want to pitch to..wright beltran delgado manny or church when healthy..nasty lineup…oh man..wright will hit a ridiculous amount of homeruns..this is crazy..im getting chills..lol
Can’t call for Omar’s and Wilpon’s Heads.
I guarantee if the mets fail, and they had manny. Everyone would be on here saying OMAR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. A 36 year old head-case. WHAT WAS HE THINKING.
Manny in a Mets uniform?
Mets signed Ollie
Sprig Training round da corner
If Manny is signed would bedlam break out in Queens?
it would be pretty close…every met fan would be going crazy…im going crazy just thinking about the idea…not to mention if we actually got ihm…
Hey guys the lineup should look like this
With Ramirez
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Delgado
Ramirez
Church
Schneider
Castillo
Pitcher
My reason for putting Delgado Cleanup is Manny at the 5 hole protects and Delgado will get better pitches to hit the same way Big Papi was protected all the other Ideas are good but I like mine because… It’s mine LOL LET’S GO METS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would prefer Wright 3 and Manny 4 so Wright gets those pitches and Delgado will come up with runners on base
Manny would never hit 5th. He would lose to many AB’s. It would be
Reyes, Beltran, Wright, Manny, Delgado, Church, 2b C P.
To bad it will look like
Reyes
Murphy
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Castillo
Schneider
Well at least we got confirmation regarding the Paige rumors.
ifyou look back at the last page…i put a little article on paige about manny ramirez…its pretty good
hopefully we hear something in the next couple of days…again…it would be crazy if the mets signed manny on the downlow after signing perez…talking to boras about manny…do it in the late late hours of the night…would be awesome
I just hope the saying be careful what you wish for
doesn’t show its ugly face
My thoughts exactly. This wouldn’t be the first time.
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i love the way the luxury cap is simply ignored. the wilpons say they won’t go over it and they are about $6-8 million away from doing just that. no manny unless the mets decide it’s worth it to pay the extra $3+ million in luxury tax this year.
i’d love to see the mets say the heck with the cap, let’s get manny.
i just don’t see them doing it.
the other mister negativity..lol..im gonna tell you along with mistermet…i told you so..lol
hey, i want to be wrong…i told you that.
lol…oh i remember…lol…you will be dont worry…(i hope)
how long is that list, btw?
Don’t forget me I wish I am dead wrong
Me too.
Ok, I want to put this as nicely as I can.
BELTRAN IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE A NUMBER 2 HITTER!!!
Why not?
I don’t think he’ll be #2 hitter just because of $$ he is making. But I think it makes perfect sense for him to bat #2 if Manny is added.
In fact he has 1039 Plate Appearances batting 2nd. That’s second to 3425 PA batting 3rd. Do your research!
He produces 110+ RBI every year!
That won’t happen out of the 2 spot. If you want to put him 3rd to get his bat going, fine. He’ll see more fastballs there with protection. But even though he has a good eye and decent speed, that doesn’t mean he’s a 2 hitter. He’s got too much power and it won’t be utalized there, along with too many strike outs and lack of batting average.
Sounds like ur talking about Adam Dunn
Just a question then.
If the mets sign Manny… and that’s a hypothetical IF…. where would you bat beltran… He won’t be batting 6th. 3-4-5 would be Wright, Manny, Delgado.
Unless for some reason it goes Wright, Manny, Beltran, Delgado, the only place you could bat him is 2nd.
Also there is some over-rated SS getting 20 mil a season that Bats 2nd on another team in NY.
So #2 hitters can make tons of money. Just cause the Mets ones never do doesn’t mean they can’t.
you obviously do not watch baseball then Beltran came into the league as a 2 hitter and actually hit over .300 as 2 hitter so there you have it look it up man
I obviously don’t watch baseball? Really? Well whatever, would I be on this blog if I didn’t?
If your going to be a condecending d!ck like that than maybe I should piont something out to you then.
Beltran didn’t just come into the leage! As you stated. Sure he was a 300 hitter in the begining of his career. Well he’s not anymore and but benifit the order batting 3-5 best. Maybe 6th if you get Manny for lefty-righty purposes against a team with a versatile bullpen.
Actually Beltran has had his best Success as a #2 Hitter. Yes he’s been good as the Mets #3-5 hitter.
K’s? He barely K’s 100 times a year. OBP his OBP the last been 380, 355 and 376.
His RBI production might take a DIp, but his overall Production would go up.
That may be slightly true, but his RBI’s would go down if that was a permanent place for him. RBI’s are most important for him because the runs he produces is what wins ballgames, along with many runs scored by the 1,2 guy for big 3-5 to knock in.
Whoa man whats with all of the insults. I was stating a fact that even in the Astros lineup he batted second… and you wrote in caps ok dude so watch your mouth and fingers and keep this blog civilized ok…. all I said was for you to look up his stats alright don’t you ever disrespect me like that again!!!!
Disrespect you again? We all have good pionts here alrighty we all understand that. Mine, if you read was that he’s not the same player as when he was in Kansas City and Houston! So i agree sorry, lets all chill. If your going to shoot back at me, let me make one more piont. It’s easy to be as tough as you want when your sitting behind a keyboard. So after we’ve all taken our chill pills, you tell me not to disrespect you,
or what?
AHahahhaa
look at this guy’s hoity toity attitude…don’t ever disrespect you again? Who are you, Eric Cartman?
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
WHAT????? YOU SEE I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT ABOUT BEING TOUGH BEHIND A KEYBOARD… WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING…. WITH THAT BEING SAID LET’S LEAVE IT AT THAT BEFORE IT BECOMES MORE THAN WHAT IT SHOULD BE…. LET’S BE REAL THESE CATS DO NOTHING FOR ME PERSONALLY BUT GIVE ME A HEARTACHE THESE LAST 2 SEASONS OK SO IT’S WHATEVER WITH ME MAN!!!!!
OHHHoHOhhhohhohohhohhoo….HE SAID WHATEVER!??!! MAN!! Ahahahhahahaa FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!!!
BRING IT TO THE MANNY RALLY THIS THURSDAY!!! GET SOME REAL PRESS COVERAGE!!!
Alright alright. Take it easy. Ur post honestly had me laughing there.I’m just a 14 yr. old kid looking for some inteliigent sports talk. I truely hope your not getting to heated over this.
But when its”dont u ever disrespect me like that ever again!!!”
cmon
-hehe
Beltran had SICK years as a #2 hitter in KC….how ya feel?
Thank You.
What would he do now that he is batting with Reyes on base and Wright, Manny, Delgado following him.
if beltran slotted back in to the two hole, i think you’d see his avg and obp go up and his power numbers slide. he’s such a talented guy, you see him take more pitches and work the count for reyes to pick his pitch or to try to get on in front of the big boppers. he’d also steal more bases.
Also, you would not need to rely on Beltran’s power numbers anymore.
Yeah. Then why not put him 3rd? In front of guys who protects him with fastballs while also having a better chance of getting his RBI”s while putting a normally lower in the order guy there such as Church, Murphy or Castillo when producing. With Beltran in the 2 hole it just weakens the bottom of the order with everyone else slotted up a spot.
Because your best hitter bats third and right now that would DW…if we go manny, bat him 4th with beltran 5th and delgado 6th…need to try to fit church or (pray a bit here) castillo second…this would create length in the lineup
Yeah, and Beltran did it in a poor lineup…thanks for posting this chuck.
I love it when people post fact-based sensible things!
People have gone nuts on this board. Do we really think that Manny would sign with Mets for 2 years….The guy wants 4/5 years. Let’s hope the market has collapsed enough that a Mets bid would even be considered.
i think it will be…i think it has been…no one is willing to give him anything like that
Whose gonna give him 4/5 years? Does he have any offers on the table for that much? He will be lucky to get 2 gauranteed years maybe 3.
Hes only got 2/45 on the table as we speak.
i thought they pulled that?…thats what im saying…there is only one team willing to give him 2 years not to mention 4 or 5
No, its still out there, i believe, but i could be wrong.
either way…lets bid for him…he makes a ton of sense for this team…especially after the last two seasons
lets just hope tony paige is right…lol…
Dont let us down!!!!! Give us something to look forward to come opening day! SIGN MANNY~ LETS GO METS!
If Manny cares about winning he’ll sign with the Mets for cheap or even free.
LOL!
Is there a Mannyblog? If so, do you think there are a few posters on it threatening to march outside his house if he doesn’t show he cares about winning by signing with the Mets for less?
Casey S,
I don’t think that the Mets are 6-7 million away from the luxury tax threshold. They may be right around last year’s payroll, but the luxury tax threshold starts at 162 million.
so they have more than that?
oh ok..nevermind
i understand it doesn’t seem like it, but the luxury tax payroll is very different from the regular payroll. the following are including in the calculation to determine the payroll:
- player benefits (league average for 2009 is $11m)
- average annual salary for all players with multi-year deals (this includes signing bonus)
- the 40-man roster (not just the 25-man)
- wagner and part of schoe’s salary
trust me, it adds up quickly.
From MLB.com on Mets.com:
Perez has agreed in principle to a three-year, $36 million deal to return to New York, according to a report on SI.com, putting a cap on the Mets’ offseason spending.
they wouldnt come out and say they are going after someone else…last i checked omar never said once they sign a pitcher they are done…all he said was he is focused on pitching…how would marty noble know what omar’s plans on…
Maybe, just maybe the meeting Omar had with Pedro in the D.R. had to do with Manny. I mean who knows Manny better than Pedro.
you know i thought that too…you never know….i think mets are going to go after manny…thats just my thinking…
come on casey…have faith
The mets have been so tight the last 2 seasons in september they need manny to lighten the clubhouse.
Oh yeah-and did I mention hes the best hitter in baseball
Look at what JD drew did batting in front of him when ortiz was injured. Beltran or wright will just go crazy in front of him. beltran is such a dead fastball hitter I’d put him in front of manny, but I’m just getting ahead of myself now
WORLD BASEBALL CLAS-SIC
Casey,
Why continue to be pessimistic? I am not saying they are going to sign him, but I wouldn’t say it is impossible either. Let’s just kick back and enjoy the rumors.
Let’s Go METS!
i guess i’ve just gotten to the point where i don’t see a conceivable path to signing manny so long as the contraint of not going over the lux tax threshold holds.
and, i don’t see the wilpons getting aggressive…
If you were willing to sign delgado who didn’t play half a season cause he didn’t like willie, or can live with murphy’s awful defense, than I don’t see what problem you could have with manny
Beltran 2 would be welcomed if it meant Manny was in the lineup.
The comment of Beltran batting 2nd due to his contract is an accurate one but that doesnt mean Manual can’t say to heck with it and bat him 2nd anyways
great..way to put my hopes down Matt
Omar has yet to address middle relief, which was the most glaring problem with the Mets last year.
I don’t know if I’d say that. Putz is in the 8th inning, leaving really the 7th inning to deal with. I think a mix of Sanchez, Feliciano, Green, Parnell would be able to get the job done. Sanchez is a good cross-over guy, and you can use Feliciano and Green as specialty guys.
great…now im depressed…i hope those two people are wrong…
I will say it again The Cap On Spending is when Wilpon says it is.
how many times do you need to hear the wilpons say they are not going to go over the luxury tax threshold?
Im sorry is this quoted somewhere?
have a freaking new stadium…already sold out luxury seats…and want to keep around the same payroll as last year…what is that crap?
Cerrone loves to start a new Manny fire every day and then douse it.
yeah…he really likes to get my hopes up..and then crush them in 5 minutes…he should get what he just posted…and put it in with the first post…before everyone starts getting excited…i think this calls for a MANNY RALLY
AND people coming off of the books next year..and they wont spend?….come on..thats ridiculous
Joel Sherman is throwing water on Manny and Abreu. I can see not spending the money on Manny, but if Abreu signs for 7 million, then Omar is nuts.
Apparently Omar is looking for a cheap bench player. Sounds like Tatis and Murphy to me.
i will be really angry if manny ends up taking that stupid 2 year 45 million dollar deal..and we could go alittle higher for that…so not only would we have been outbid for lowe earlier..we wouldnt have even bid on manny with that low offer..being a new york venue
Beltran prefers to bat 2 but the Wilpons wanted to justify his big contract with power numbers. Thats what kind of tools we have for owners…..
????
well actually if we dont have manny then it makes absolutely no sense batting him 2nd
Here’s the campain.
Everyone on this site grab an envolope and address it to Omar Minaya at shea statium. Inside the envolope put in a piece of paper that saws GET MANNY. Include 24 Loose Pennies. Include suffiecent Postage. Tell every pets fan to do the same.
Overall it will cost about a dollar from everyone including postage.
Let the campain begin!!
ohhh boy…joke is on us apparently..
CASEY S.
Did you miss my comment completely? The Mets have more than 6-7 million to spend. Unreal. Yes, and I do mean before they get to the threshold.
i don’t understand what you saying. please, please, please…give me the amount at which you think the luxury tax payroll now sits and show me how they have more than $6-8 million to spend.
The luxury tax threshold is 162 million dollars. By all accounts, our payroll is right under last year’s payroll. Last year, wasn’t our payroll 143 million dollars?
okay, so you didn’t read my post above…here it again.
the luxury tax payroll is very different from the regular payroll. the following are including in the calculation to determine the lux tax payroll:
- player benefits (league average for 2009 is $11m)
- average annual salary for all players with multi-year deals (this includes signing bonus), not the actual salary for a given year
- the 40-man roster (not just the 25-man)
- wagner and part of schoe’s salary
no they don’t…please see my comment above.
Oh, well since you say they don’t, I guess that must be true. I am coming to my conclusion, via math. It is a completely different story in saying that they do not want to spend it. However, they do have it.
you can use all the math you want, but when you ignore the rules of the basic agreement determining how LUXURY TAX PAYROLLS are calculated, well…you might as well be adding random numbers.
So, you have the Mets’ documentation? Please share the numbers with us, so all of us fans can just stay quiet about future acquisitions.
what “documentation” do you need to learn the salary information required, the league average player benefits, an estimate for the other 15 players, and how much the mets are paying the d-backs for schoe?
it’s all available on the web. the following are the sources i used to come to my figures:
- cot’s contracts for annual avg salary
- MLB4Uwiki for luxury tax thresholds
- Duggout Dollars for what goes into the lux tax calcs
- Tony Ma-s-soratti from the Boston Globe for the avg. player benefits figure
what more can i say? come on, man. just admit that you didn’t know all there was to know about the subject and now you know more.
the only way i see this actually happening is if omar is the only one thinking of going after manny…and hasent told anyone
id almost rather them come out and just say “we are not going to pursue manny ramirez” until they do that he is still an option for the team…..and all the campagn ads have to be created now cuz they are getting rdy 4 the season…and they cant put manny in cuz hes not n the team
exactly…you know with manuel, wright, beltran and delgado ALL coming out and saying they would love him on the team AND omar saying he is only focused on pitching right now…its kind of like a sick game they are all playing with us…like if you arent in….come out and say it..dont have reporters keep saying it and having us get aggravated….
it makes no sense to go after bench players..when we just signed crap players for minor league deals..i think omar is playing with us…why would he go after more bench players?..makes no sense to me…i think he is pulling everyone’s leg
i for one refuse to get my hopes up, only to be let down when the mets don’t get manny…its enough of a let down in september…why set urself up for one in february
The Mets are not getting Manny. The only reason they may even discuss it is for PR purposes.
there is truth in your statement i believe
How about we give the Wilpon’s a chance to say: “no.”
Clearly, there is a vocal minority of pro-Manny fans on this blog.
We must understand the financial hardship that signing Manny will mean. I think it’s only fair that we all agree to buy a Met branded Manny wig and shirt to seal the deal :-)
cheap bastards- they are not getting any of my money this year!
MANNY RALLY…more than 30 people have to show up though
lol
in all seriousness…i find it a long shot they sign manny…however until they actually come out and say NO…and i dont mean these dumb reporters saying no…they i mean omar and/or wilpons…i am going to keep hoping and praying that something goes right and they can get him for a bargain….it would be nice
I ask to please show me a direct quote from the Wilpons sr or jr saying they will not go over LT Threshhold?
So I can put to rest this in my mind
When are you guys going to get it through you thick heads!
MANNY IS NOT COMMING!!!!!
Have all the rallys you want its not going to happen!
mister negativity
No Mister reality!!
Mr. Phillies fan.
If they aren’t going to sign Manny, then they should at least sign Abreu…..
We Really need a righty though
no they apparently wont even sign him..and he is willing to go to one year…haha…this team is a joke…not even willing to go one year for abreu…although i cant say that yet…because they havent ruled out manny…i havent heard it from their mouths..so until they say they wont go after him or until he signs with someone else..i still have my hopes up
abreu is the joke. the mets don’t need another lefty fool.
As long as their is a slimmer of hope how can anyone tell a Mets Fan to give up on Manny?
If you do you probably stopped watching game 6 in 86 when the bottom of the 9th rolled around.
But Jeff Wilpon wasn’t involved back then.
YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!
isn’t that our slogan?
The Mets as a team hit .223 with two outs and runners in scoring position. That is pathetic.
Bobby Abreu hit .382 with two outs and runners in scoring position.
The Mets problem last year was not their inability to drive in runs, but rather to drive in runs when they needed to do so. They never did it in clutch spots. Bobby Abreu is a pretty clutch player.
Bobby Abreu produces when it counts. Forget about his fielding, which I think is way overblown. With Church and Beltran out there, i think we can sacrifice Abreu’s declining fielding. The guy can still catch a fly ball and can still run around. He is not useless in the OF. I can understand not paying for Manny (I hope they do though), but not to spend the 7-8 million to get Abreu would be a crime for a team like the Mets.
I think signing Abreu or Dunn to a one year contract would be a good move, as long as they find somewhere for Murphy to play.
I would dump Castillo and put Murph at second.
i think every met fan has to wonder what it would be like if manny was in the lineup, but everyway i look at it it just doesnt seem like a realistic option…for mets fans to get so wrapped up in manny that they will be upset with this offseason it is a shame
“The Mets have an excellent core for ‘09 – three good starting pitchers plus Wright, Reyes, Beltran, and Delgado all signed at arguably below-market rates. Minaya just needs to figure out how to allocate his money between a closer (and maybe a second reliever), a starter, and a left fielder.”
that quote is from mlbtraderumors on oct 14
the mets have filled their holes in that order, krod, putz, and a combo of redding,perez,garcia… thats a pretty good off season
i know the past two seasons have been hard but the team right now is better then last year..
manny would be great, but so would sheets, abreu, dunn etc…anything they do from hear on out is a bonus…all im saying is don’t be upset if manny isnt a met
I will throw a party if Manny isn’t a Met.
>Manny Being Manny scares the bejeezus out of the Mets. His act. His poutiness. His quirkiness. And, hey, let’s be honest, Manny Being Manny can be a handful. He doesn’t run out grounders. He doesn’t always play nice. His final days in Boston were disgraceful, from the tanking at the end to the flattening of an older team executive over tickets in Houston. And the Mets, already having been burned by getting about 40 percent value out of the four-year deal they handed Pedro Martinez, can be forgiven for their reluctance at going once more to the Red Sox well.Let’s throw some facts, regarding Manny, on the table. Last season he faked a knee injury before the rival Yankees came to town. He only agreed to play when faced with a suspension. Francona did not start him that night but decided to have him pinch hit in the 9th inning of a 5-4 game against the Yankees. He looked at 3 straight fastballs down the middle of the plate. He did not once take the bat off his shoulder. Sounds to me that there might be some actual truth behind us saying that he quit on his team.<<
A comment about that same article.
NO MANNY
There should have been a break before ‘lets’
The first part was from an article on Fox Sports.com
Sign Pedro, and Pedro will keep Manny happy and focused….
i think manny would be happy in new york anyway…he loves attention…he would have the attention in new york
I really think when Omar was talking to Boras about Lowe they moved on and talked about Manny for a little. Omar might have said “hold onto him for us, ok?” Its all possible, but really though could you imagine if we signed him within the week ! HOLY EFFIN GOODNESS!
And remember that ESPN poll about Manny on the Mets? 40% of people across the nation and the world said we are favorites to win the WS with him. 39% did say that we still werent a contender with him, while the rest said we already are favorites to win the WS. But whatever, most said were a threat with guy!
GET HIM!
The mets have the 4th highest salary. give it a rest
How bout those ticket prices for their brand new free stadium loaded with luxury boxes…4th highest payroll with remaining holes and not enough money spent on player development is exceptionally insufficient.
Not happening
If no one else has mentioned this, Joel Sherman is now reporting that the Mets will NOT get in on either Manny or Abreu (even if his price continues to drop). They are only looking for some cheap bench bats and maybe a lefty bullpen arm.
The lineup is set. Get used to it.
1B: Delgado
2B: Castillo
SS: Reyes
3B: Wright
LF: Tatis/Murphy
CF: Beltran
RF: Church
CA: Schneider/Castro
And the rotation is set:
1: Santana
2: Perez
3: Pelfrey
4: Maine
5: Redding (Garcia in the minors)
This offseason is over.
im waiting to hear it from omar or wilpons
enterkrod – manny does not like attention.
I still don’t understand why the Mets wouldn’t entertain the idea of trading Delgado and signing Manny. They should at least match the Dodgers 1 year/25 million and see what happens. At least leave us feeling like they care. Delgado seems reasonably priced. Perhaps not the bargain at the beginning of the off-season, but still good. So this should keep his trade value nice. The Angels or Giants will probably be interested if he goes out on the market. It’d be nice to get back from prospects or good relievers.
They always kept on saying addition by subtraction. Well, by subtracting Delgado, you open the door for new prospects and Manny. And while it may cost a draft pick to sign Manny, we can get that back next season, or the season after. At this point, a vesting option for 25 million on a 2nd year could probably get it done.
They say they don’t want to go over the 160 luxury tax. They said they don’t want to exceed the 143 million at the end of last season. Well, if Manny signs for 25 million and Delgado goes, it’s 146 million.
Get me a time machine to October and tell the Wilpon’s they could have Manny, K-Rod, Putz and re-signed Oliver Perez while only raising the payroll 3 million. They’d probably think I’m as crazy as they are for not wanting it to happen now.
I may be a raving lunatic, rabid about METS baseball who gets little to no respect from anybody, anywhere, at anytime. I’ve been blogging Mets baseball for about 2 years and have a grand total of two other Mets blogs that link up to me. So I want to thank you Matt for checking up on this story as I’m the one who caused all the ruckus, and in the process may have accidentally dragged some decent folks through the carpet, which I’m sorry for.
I believe in the Amazin Amazin Amazin Amazin Amazin Amazin Mets with or without Manny. That being said, Fred crack the safe since the bank is already broke and bring on Manny this guy he ain’t no joke, revenue a streamin’ like a good soft porno flick, Manny’s a dreamin of holdin’ that wooden stick in New York mother fu..er.
LETS GO METS. LETS GO METS. LETS GO METS. LETS GO METS. LETS GO METS. LETS GO METS.