After this afternoon’s proclamation by GM Omar Minaya that the Mets were satisfied with their offense heading into the season and would not be spending significant money on free agents the rest of this off-season, Jon Heyman addressed a number of free agents that have been linked to the team during his appearance on the MLB Network’s Hot Stove Live tonight.
Regarding OF Manny Ramirez, who earlier in the day rejected a one-year $25 million contract from the Dodgers, Heyman said that Los Angeles could soon choose to move on from their hopes of signing the slugging outfielder.
In that case, their plan B could be signing some combination of OF’s Bobby Abreu and Adam Dunn, LHP Randy Wolf and 2B Orlando Hudson, whom Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com reports is waiting to see whether one of the New York teams can make room for him.
… sounds like the Dodger fans have been treated to the same exact rumors us Mets fans have been hearing all off-season…
Regarding Abreu, Heyman said that despite reports that the Chicago White Sox had submitted a one year, $8 million offer for the former Yankee, he didn’t think it made sense for the ChiSox to sign him.
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let me be the first to comment…
we can’t afford hitters. pitching wins championships so we feel it not nessecary to sign a big bat after Carlos Beltran ever again.
funny, but i do see there point i have confidence in our team. its all about chemistry. lets keep what we have and run with it. also this team made a big turn around after we ran willie out of town, so maybe a whole year of jerry would be a great thing
agreed man i actually did the math and a whole season of Jerry last year would have given us 96 wins
Yeah, because players like Delgado decided that they didnt want to play for Randolph.
Great team player.
Delgado was recovering from a wrist injury the first half of the season. He didn’t get his swing back until about a month into Jerry’s tenure.
yes
Carlos Delgado. Noted humanitarian, perennial RBI machine, brand new father, and proud man decided that he wanted to sully his carrer numbers because he just couldn’t stand Willie. Willie, a man who may not have been a very good manager, but was considered by most to be a very decent guy.
It has nothing to do with the fact that he was coming off of surgery and was just around the time it normally takes to regain form when Willie was let go. Or maybe it was just bad managing that helped prolong a slump.
It was most likely the fact that he decided to play very bad, hurt his teammates and turn his back on the game of baseball. sounds about right.
this is my new thing… I’m busting chops.
See, ClemKadiddle—comments like these are offensive!
Delgado is about the last high profile pro athlete who could be reasonably accused of “dogging it.”
It is an idiotic thing to say, and when someone says it they DESERVE to be called names and mocked. They surely should have the freedom of speech to say what they want, but the rational grown-ups here have the right to let them know how idiotic it is!
It will be easier for the Mets to trade for an OFer during the season than a quality pitcher. The starting rotation has more depth now than it has had for awhile. No more Lima Time.
if its true that dunn is willing to sign for 5 mil per we have to do it. if we put him in between wright and reyes, he will hit 45 hr’s and have a near .400 OBP
right now u gotta understand we are focused on bench players and minor leaguers.
for 1 yr at $5 mill why can’t Dunn be considered as a bench player for the mets? He can sub for Delgado at first and in the OF when we face a RHP. If the Mets think spending $2 mill on Cora as insurance for Castillo to ride the bench is a good idea, its not out of the question to spend another $5 mill for Dunn to ride the bench as insurance for Delgado!!
Excellent point! I juss dont think Dunn would be happy if he has to sit a game out when he is healthy.
If Dunn is willing to take a 5 mil for1 yr than i have to take back what i said
I completely agree.
I think we have enough bench guys,especially after signing the great rob mackowiak.
as much as i hate abreu, he would be great for this team
reyes
abreu
wright
delgado
beltran
church
schnieder
castillo
also, i read on yahoo a fantasy mock draft….
1. hanley
2. ga y-rod
3. pujols
4. REYES
5. WRIGHT
6. braun
7. sizemore
8. josh hamilton
9. miguel cabrera
10. ian kinsler
11 jimmy rollins
12. tex
we addressed da pen the w.s. is in da bag don’t worry
If we are looking for hitters on the cheap, why not Garrett Anderson?
He will be the cheapest 80 rbis that we can find. That is practically a guarantee. This guy is so unheralded it is amazing.
And he hits .290 against lefties for his career. And he hits in the clutch. He is a Bobby Abreu- lite and can probably be had for no more than 1 million.
I like your post chris. but im almost 100 percent positive that minaya is happy with what we have, even if it means swappin tatis n murpy in left. even though it makes no sense because you when you start a season you generally want one guy to count on. you dont really want to depend on people swiching. i understand that its happeed with many teams however its most ikely due to the injury/under performance of your original starter
Garrett Anderson is Abreu-lite… minus two key skill sets (speed and getting on-base, neither of which Anderson had in spades even at his prime), with even less range and arm strength. Abreu has even outslugged him over the last two years… So, he’s actually NOT comparable. At all. Really.
He is not comparable? Both are aging of’ers who bat left-handed, are run producers, hit left-handed pitching… etc.
You do have a point about the base stealing and the OBP (that is the bigger issue). I said “lite” as if to mean “poor man’s.”
I would take Abreu 20 times over before Anderson, but when you are looking at the scrap heap, then I’d take Anderson.
why do we need to look at the scrap heap? We have an emerging rookie who had a great run last season and an OF that just won comeback player of the year after putting together a quality season (counting both Minor and Major league numbers).
Is it as sure a thing as Manny? No. Its not. But its not the very worst option out there. This isnt a platoon of Garcia and Spencer we are talking about.
bustin chops… still doing it.
Then let me bust some chops. :)
How many players have made one year remarkable comebacks only to fade into oblivion thereafter? How many rookies burst on the scene with a flourish only to find themselves dwelling in the minors in the following seasons? The pitchers will adjust to Murphy and the question then becomes how will Murphy then adjust to them? I’ve seen too many one year wonders. Someone like Abreu could bridge the gap until FM is ready to play in the majors.
Actually, “depending on people switching” is called a platoon and it’s used all over the league as a desirable way to 1. put guys in a situation where they can excel (L, R matchups), 2. keep reserve players in shape while not overworking them, 3. have a fallback if one of the platoon-mates goes cold or gets injured, or have an opening for promotion if one gets really hot. For example, the ‘86 Mets had 3 platoons! At second with Backman and Teufel, at Center with Mookie and Nails, and, to a lesser extent, at 3rd with Knight and HoJo. What I mean is, a platoon is not a bad thing at all, especially if you have depth in the position in case something bad happens, which with Reed and Sullivan I think we do. You don’t always need that one guy.
It’s is really discourging that the Mets aren’t at least looking into what it would take to get Manny.
NO its not, and i dont blame them. Again, we dont need a team full of superstars. why even bother looking into him if we dont want him? I dont think Omar couldve been more clearier today. all the guys on this blog have been posting that we dont even entertain the signin of manny. well today he did just that. he told us hes not doing it so lets move on.(I liked manny too, however its clear that its not happening)
Thank you!!
Someone that gets it………
The Dodger fans may have been treated to the same rumors this offseason but they don’t have a GM that just bid against himself and grossly overpaid for a career under .500 mediocre starter to the tune of $12 million per season.
thats where your wrong. Perez isnt mediocre. the guys has grade A stuff. Yes ill repeat that again, Grade A stuff. but the man obviosly has some psychological problem that affects his game play from time to time. But when he is on his game i want no one else up there (of course for the exception of Johan.) All we can do is hope that he begins to conquer this problem and fast!
Couldn’t agree more on Perez. Don’t know why he doesn’t treat every game equally as important but if he can get it together this year, I think we’re looking at a solid 15 wins from him – maybe a couple/few more with the new and improved BP.
And FiyaM:
And isn’t the Dodgers GM bidding against himself right now to get Manny? No one else has offered him a contract. Dodgers can stand pat and say this is it, take it or leave it, or keep upping their own bid. That’s how the game is played….
Grade A – YES
So what if he can’t be consistant
and you know what, if the man was mediocre you could count on him to come out every fifth day give you 5-6 innings and give up 3-5 runs. but thats no him. the man can come out 1 day and give up 5 runs in 2 innings. comeback 5 games later and give you a 1run game going in to the 8th!!
Right, but the reason they may not sign Ramirez is because their GM signed an old pitcher with a wrecked shoulder to a $45 million contract, and then gave a super scrub 5 years and $55 million.
No, the Dodgers’ genius GM only paid an injured Jason Schmidt almost 16 million per year.
what Sylar said…
Citi is fairly likely to back out on their naming deal. So that’s $20 million/year that disappears that was going to cover financing costs of the new stadium. There’s no money for Manny …
…as well as the violinist that plays when Fred Wilpon talks about the Mets budget
Making deals with insolvent beggar corporations never turns out well. The Wilpons could always go to plan B for making money: build a team that actually makes the playoffs and reaps in the post-season booty.
right, ’cause back in 2006 everyone knew CitiBank would be on the brink of insolvency 2 years later.
As I recall most Mets fans in here were happy with the deal because they felt Citi would not go the way of PacBell or Enron. C’est la vie.
I’m not saying the Mets should’ve been clairvoyant. The deal, if it goes bust, is because Citi is now a bailed out insolvent wreck, and one can’t expect a deal with them to turn out well going forward. That’s a fact, but the Mets don’t have to hang around paralyzed by a busted naming rights deal. Do you feel sorry for the Wilpons? Is this ballpark now a financial albatross for them? Hardly. There’s no money for Manny because of Citi and Madoff? That’s laughable.
Maybe you and your friends could buy the Mets and run it as a non-profit 501c3. Until then, stop complaining about baseball as business.
Umm no citi isn’t backing out plus that money is more than likely allocated towards payn off the loans the wilpons used to build the new stadium and not towards players salaries
Citi says they aren’t backing out, but believe me, getting more $$ from the gov’t is way more important to them than naming rights. And money is money — paying the financing on the park has to come from somewhere. If it ain’t Citi paying it, it will come out of the operating budget if the Wilpons want to maintain profitability.
The front office is looking ahead to a year with a terrible economy in which the most profitable industry in their team’s city is now bankrupt. At a minimum, merchandise sales will be way down, and ticket sales could be as well, even in the new stadium. It makes 0 economic sense to add $20-30 million in payroll, even if it would take them to the playoffs.
Manny is one situation. Everyone else is different. Players of this caliber have not been this cheap in……. when were players this cheap?
Abreu and Dunn are all-star types.
Everyone prepare for another whole season of swirling negativity and panic after every loss and increased stress and pressure heading into the later months with constant late September collapse jokes sprinkled throughout. Who’s excited?!
Because they didn’t sign ONE player?
Well DUH! Manny is our unquestioned savior, and without him, darkness will rule….
Yes. Manny Ramirez would have changed the entire persona of this team. Instead of having one of the most dynamic hitters and best lineups in baseball, we will be known for collapsing and the prediction of more struggles when the important games are played.
I don’t care if we were 15 ahead in the division, Met fans will always panic. I think it’s a trademark – lol.
But predicting some sort of collapse in Sept – NOW??? We missed the playoffs by 1-2 games each of the last 2 seasons. No one player is worth that kind of money to overcome that. And that’s no guarantee anyway.
We did it in ‘06 w/o him, we can do it again. And that was w/o Johan. Without SP depth. I think if you look it up, something like 15 different guys started a game for us that season. We did it with a very good BP.
So this year we’ve got a solid rotation with depth, a BP looking as good, if not better than ‘06 – and more or less the same offense.
I think we’re in good shape.
this isn’t 2006, we have a World Series championship team in our division.
There is just no talking logic to those of you who can’t see the forest thru the Manny signing (or should I say no signing….)
lil pelf is right, in ‘06 the Mets had no competition in the division at all. Contrary to what some believe on here, this year could easily be a 4 team race in the NL East and the Mets could definitely miss the playoffs again. Adding another bat in this buyers market could help a lot in the Mets making the playoffs. Some people seem way too overconfident in a team that has done nothing but miss the playoffs the last two years.
Former. Mets are, and were, a better team. No one would be surprised to see the soft Phillies finish third.
MetLife Field sounds good around now
Not because they didn’t sign one player, but because they are putting the same underperforming offense back on the field, and because the team has about 6 “maybes” that all need to come through otherwise this team won’t even be in the hunt (Maine…injury, Perez=erratic, Delgado..which do we get?, Church…still concussed?, Tatis….probably will be bad, and Schneider and Castillo are only maybes in the sense that ‘maybe’ they’ll ground out to 2nd or ‘maybe’ they’ll pop to the third baseman)
We had the second most runs in the NL last year. How is that underperforming?
Ssshhhhhh! Don’t bother them with facts! Hey, the Rangers had the most run production in the entire MLB last year and look where that got ‘em! Their rotation also had the highest ERA but who cares about pitching when we’re missing out on seeing more dingers?!!
The real facts are that this team couldnt score a run after the third inning in a lot of games last year. Dont be so cocky and sure about this offense because it is very weak after the #5 spot. Adding a bat(Dunn or Abreu) would help in the battle for 1st in the NL East race.
Dude don’t worry relax the pen is fine now so we r W.S. bound
hello genius (mistermet), Can you say 2nd in runs? under performing??? no we didnt under perform. yea maybe our risp was low however we did score! when you watch every game of a season you tend to remember the bad a lot more than the good. because we as NY fans always want more and thats a fact.
Why can’t I comment without awaiting moderation? I’m not using a-s-s.
Are you using m-a-n-a-g-e-m-e-n-t? That word gets me every time….
sell the team!
3rd place
I’m curious.. I know your feelings about the Mets, but what makes you believe the Phillies and Marlins/Braves are better than us?
Well the Phillies are bringing back most of the team that has beaten the Mets two years in a row and have no respect for them at all. The Braves have a better lineup than the Mets.
I guess their abysmal lineup last year that they barely improved upon was a myth, huh?
matsfanmurph. do you watch any part of last season? we were kickin feeliesnuts all over the place last season? so were do you get off sayin they beat us? yea they played other teams well but when it came to us we showed them who was boss
Not a good way to sell the Braves argument. You could say their rotation has less question marks, and that their lineup isn’t finished. But saying their lineup is better than ours? Ridiculous.
I don’t believe anyone in the division has more talent than the New York Mets. Conversely, no one has less heart. The Phillies are gritty. They are competitors. I begrudgingly respect them. They should finish in front of us this year.
The Marlins are intriguing. I hate them with a pas-sion, and unlike the Phillies, I feel no respect towards them. However, their pitching staff is pretty darn good, and if their young bats come through, look out.
Nah – I think the Marlins bad defense alone will cost them enough games to put them over the top. If they can solve that problem, they’ll be right there.
I think their pitching has enough question marks too to have to wait and see.
I’m predicting no one is running away with it this year in the NL east. Expect another race down to the wire.
Those down-to-the-wire races are not good news for the Mets.
The Phillies are looking to sell?
SIGN BONDS FOR THE LEAGUE MINIMUM!!!
can they afford that?
God i cant believe some of you guys actually consider yourselves mets fans. cough cough lil pelf breadlock cough. why come on to a mets blog and talk crap about your team????? do you have no lives???
It’s frustration because most of us Mets fans are smarter than our GM.
Very few here have yet to prove they can even work out simple math problems let alone have the intelligence to run a ball club, that is when they’re not playing around with Manny merchandise numbers.
dude cmon not kool
I’d like to amend that most people around here can’t grasp the concept of the reply option either.
Do you have some Gray PouPon?
Nah, Guldens.
Nice finally climbed down from your pedestal
It’s easy to be condescending when you don’t like what you’re hearing. Please don’t paint me as the bad guy when I use logic.
Logic is fine it’s when people insult others by challenging their intelligence based on one opinion that bothers me. like anyone here really has a clue what it takes to GM A MLB club. yeahhh right…..
I highly doubt that.
There is no doubt in my mind that I would do a better job than Omar Minaya. I would not have resigned the erratic Oliver Perez, I am on record as saying last year that signing Luis Castillo was dumb, I would have traded for Manny Ramirez in July, I would have built a bullpen after 06 because I watch baseball and I know that the bullpen has become more important than starting pitchers in baseball in this day and age. That is just a start.
But what would you do for the future? It’s so easy to say you wouldn’t've made all those mistakes when you just might’ve.
I try to convince the Wilpons to let me have a shot at signing Manny, if sign either Abreu and Hudson.
If I sign Hudson I trade Castillo and eat most of the contract or just straight out release him because the fans will not let him get comfortable.
I would also sign Kevin Milar or Cliff Floyd as bench players because they bring a swagger this team desperately needs to the clubhouse.
I meant if I can’t sign Manny I sign Abreu or Hudson.
Letting go of Castillo might hurt even if we include Hudson. I wouldn’t mind the Millar signing but he might be open for a bench position after being a starter pretty much his entire career.
There’s a team in the Bronx that operates by that kind of logic. Why don’t you try out as their GM?
I Agree to say sell the team or 3rd place cmon…
if you wanna disagree with people who feel the pen is only reason we choked in 08 and in 09 that won’t be an issue so we don’t need a bat that’s fair game
but saying we will b 3rd not kool
What I don’t get is, if the bullpen was the be all end to all to all of our problems, how in the world did we not make a trade for an 8th inning guy at the deadline last season?
for who?
jj putz??
trade him for who exactly?
i meant we should have gotten him last year
What would we have had that they wanted? they would of tried to fleece us due to the fact they knew we were struggling in pen in my opinion
If they had any inkling Wagner would soon to be lost for the season, right after the trade deadline, they probably would have. That’s the injury that broke the camels back.
If you remember correctly, Duaner got into that cab accident on 30 July and we made a trade to replace him the very next day since it was the deadline. The BP arm we got didn’t make a difference though. However, we did get Oliver out of that deal.
This is why the Mets need Manny. The present lineup has Beltran, Reyes, Wright and Maybe Delgado who will put up nice numbers.
The problem is none of the above can come up big when the pressure is at it’s highest.
Manny can do this. That’s why they need him. Sure it will cost big bucks, but he should bring allot of money back by merchandise sales. prime time exposure for the team, ticket sales.
I think all 4 of those guys could get the big hit, but it shouldn’t have to come to that. If the Mets had some help in the line-up, a big come from behind hit isn’t as likely to be needed. That’s why we need Manny, because it increases the odds of having a lead.
September 2008 numbers:
Delgado: .340/400/1.049
Beltran: .344/.446/1.086
Wright: .340/.417/.993
You fail.
Nice numbers but I still don’t recall many big hits in September. Could those numbers have come when there was really no pressure on them.
Season on the line with a lead-off triple and only needing a sac fly.
David Wright: 0-1
Great point. But the Golden Boy is truly A-Rod lite, without the ego. Honestly, when Sherman was speculating Sox-Mets trades, I threw out the Golden Boy for Pedroia, Lester and Bowden.
“Great point. But the Golden Boy is truly A-Rod lite, without the ego. Honestly, when Sherman was speculating Sox-Mets trades, I threw out the Golden Boy for Pedroia, Lester and Bowden”
Hmm.. well this clarifies for me that you are a complete and utter mo.ron who knows absolutely nothing about baseball.
First off, you seemingly ignored his “clutch” stats from ‘04 to ‘07. Second… well, you’re just a f–kin idiot.
That was a horrible game. It is amazing how much this team struggled to get a runner in from third with less then 2 outs.
Yes, that one at bat is much more important than a whole season and career of work.
There’s an awfully lot of selective memory and inattention to fact on this board and it’s high time that parents began monitoring their kids Internet usage.
late innings of close games
AVG. OBP. SLG.
beltran : .184 273 306
wright .280 .400 .360
delgado .222 .375 .333
Strikouts : 14, 15, 12
RBI : 8,2,6
c-r-a-p
runners on 2nd and 3rd wright had a 157 Batting average
runners on SECOND base
wright had .219
beltran had .231
delgado had .235 BA…this is the supposed 3 of the 4 core players who have to get it done
Beltran’s career close and late is .265 .355 .453.
Wright’s is .307 .407 .483
Delgado’s is .258 .373 .508
But you can feel free to select the smallest sample sizes and isolated circumstance you can find rather than trying to be more objective.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE CAREER?….do they play with their career numbers every year?!?!….no that is an idiot argument….great their career numbers…WOW….guess what thats what their numbers were LAST YEAR…kind of like when we needed them to come through…AND LOOK AT THEIR NUMBERS>>>PATHETIC….please…give me a better argument than ohhh thats their career numbers so they are good…that excuses them of coming through with a man on 2nd base…please
ohhh and this “smallest sample sizes” are that years numbers…if you didnt know that…which last time i checked meant more than a whole careers numbers…so next time you look at numbers you might want to check those small sample sizes yourself
1. your numbers are wrong. delgado close and late last season was .239 .346 .432
2; if career numbers are not important because they don’t matter in a given moment then why do last year’s numbers matter this year? you can’t argue both sides.
in any event, two of the basic requirements of proving statistical a-s-sociation are consistency and repeatability. you can’t have either in one sample.
And one last stat for you in case you decide to come back here and distort the truth and fact again:
Late and close in 2008 the Mets hit: .265 .351 .375
Overall the Mets hit: .266 .340 .420
Not surprising that they hit about the same.
wright close and late last season was .286 .412 .464 .
beltran close and late in 2008: .282 .390 .400
did you just make up your numbers?
off topic, but did anybody see F-Mart’s Caribbean Series pinch hit 2 run HR today? I’m watching the Mexico – Venezuela game now but they aren’t showing any highlights….
I didn’t even know that Martinez had been picked up by the Dominican squad after getting dropped by the Venezuelan team.
That was a moooooooooooooonshot.
I just caught it at MLB.com, and yea he pretty much crushed that.
Also Manny takes allot of pressure off the other guys. Without Manny I’m afraid this team will not make it to the playoffs again this year
The only way is if they have a big enough lead at the end and the pressure is not on.
But with the philles, I doubt that will be the case.
Dude let it go I did…
I don’t agree with opinion offense is fine but
Minaya don’t agree so just pray for best
Anyone who watched this team’s offense in late August and September and feels it is sufficient was not watching the same games I was watching. They could not get a big hit to save their lives. It’s arrogant, and faulty logic to simply say that they scored the 2nd most runs in the league. I don’t want to hear that anymore. Also, I didn’t like the GM saying “offense wasn’t the problem last year.” Again, short sighted, arrogant. Even if he has no intention of getting Manny or any other stick, I would at least have liked to hear him say something like “We are always looking to improve our team” At least fool us into thinking you’re doing your job. But I guess he got his contract, so he’s more than happy to drink the Wilpon koolaid at this point.
Just because he has his contract doesn’t mean he is safe. The Boy King Wonder could fire him and make himself GM.
You could not be more right. How many times did the offense get shut down after the 5th inning?
Couldn’t agree more. Those big hits in September were no where to be found. Second year in a roll this has happened. Personally this offense needs another big bat.
I’ll re-post this for Mistermet, who never saw a fact he didn’t ignore, because it seems pretty indicative of a bullpen that killed the Mets much more than the lack of “clutch hitting.”
For those of you who believe that the Mets problems were the lack of runs in late innings consider the following.
Runs scored in innings 7-9
IP Mets Phils
7 63 75
8 82 91
9 46 55
So the Phils were a little better scoring runs in the later innings. But also consider the following:
Runs given up in innings 7-9:
IP Mets Phils
7 91 51**
8 92 78
9 59 53
The Mets lost 13 games that they led after 7 innings and the Phillies lost only 10. However, more importantly, in games in which the Mets were tied going into the 7th inning they were 6-16 while the Phils were 15-9.
The Mets pen blew 44 leads while the Phils blew 29.
Even though the Mets did not score as many late inning runs as the Phillies, their bullpen was by far the source of their problems. If the Mets pen was as good as the Phillies, they would have outscored their opposition in the 7th and 8th innings and won more than handful more games.
The Mets seventh and eighth innings were just atrocious…
We get it thx 4 numbers pen suked in 08.
One of the reason the bullpens was not successful is that the Mets did not add on runs. While the Phillies made 3-2 games 5-2 games it seemed like the Mets rarely did that.
Murph you wont sway him let it go the lines been drawn
those that say pen was only issue
&
those that say pen & offense was issue
plain n simple
the mets failure to score runs in the 7th has nothing to do with the number of runs the mets gave up in the 7th.
I also think that if a team can add on runs it saves the bullpen in the long run. I agree that the biggest culprit to the Mets losing was the bullpen but the offense did not add on runs which has a hidden effect.
Like I said previously it adds more pressure to the bullpen and it makes the manager use more arms which tires them out in the long run.
not to mention…EVERY team is better….we play boston we play tampa we play the yankees…we play the dodgers we play the cubs…and again…we do play the phillies…we may have beaten them head to head…but they still won the world series…we didnt…we have to prove it..and mets havent yet…so yeah we look better..on paper…but we dont play on paper
Man, if only you had a clue about baseball. The Mets struggled at the end of last year for the same reason they fell apart in 2007. Very, very inefficient starting pitching (not being able to get thru 5-6 innings, night after night) which ended up taxing the already crappy bullpen to begin with. 2nd in the NL in scoring is simply not debatable. Stating that FACT is not arrogant, rather reasonable when discussing what this team’s holes have been. Your posts are constantly negative, and your arguments are illegitimate.
you are truly an idiot…any idiot will see that the mets…dcould not get runs in when it meant the most….tied for second with runs scored….they scored 15 in one game against the yankees…and then none the second game…the first game johan pitched against the braves they didnt score…the reason why i am negative is because this team will not win with this offense…especially is delgado is his half of last year….people who say that they feel comfortable with this offense are crazy…this offense chokes when it counts the most….
look at the numbers up top….that shows you the CORE’S players numbers…thats the CORE’S numbers…thats not even castillo or schnieder…the only one that is missing is jose
My post was referring to mistermet, not you . However you found it necessary to simply call me names on a blog just because I pointed out someone else’s ignorant opinion. Quite courageous of you. Yes the offense was inconsistent. Get a grip if you really believe that was the main problem with this team. There were an incredible amount of leads blown all summer long. Blaming the offense for the 2007 and 2008 results is ignorant.
sprry im really heat with that backstra guy…my apologies…i dont think it was their biggest problem…however it was a big problem….
we are expecting tatis to perform like he did before he got hurt last year…we are expecting murphy to perform like his 131 at bats last year…we are expecting delgado to be his second half…2nd base…catcher?….and this is the lineup minaya likes?…ohhh noooo dont worry we have cory sullivan to save the day…please….
No it’s not. It’s because you remember all the times when they didn’t come through. And the times they did, you just put it in the ok that’s what should happen mindset. So of coarse you remember all the times they failed.
Same thing happens to A-Rod. When things are going well he’s loved. When everything goes wrong it’s 100% his fault. Not saying it might not be. But if a great clutch hitter comes through 40% of the time your still failing 60%.
So you have to go look at the games, and in august and september there were more then enough runs scored to win. In september alone they lost 4 games when they scored 5 runs, and another when they scored 4. They only scored in loses 1 run once and 0 runs once.
I seem to completely remember no lead being safe, even if they got clutch hits, then the bullpen would let it back up.
Hopefully with all the offseason acquisitions that will be solved.
Anyone see the updated Manny article on ESPN. Manny might stop negotiation until May if he doesn’t get any serious offers.
I like how to him someone offering him pretty much the entire payroll of the Marlins for one year isn’t serious.
You could probably get Manny for 2 years/38 million at this point. To not at least explore it, and talk to the agent, is criminal
Face it; we’re done. The biggest thing we might do is sign Garret Anderson or Ken Grif-fey, Jr to a one-year contract between $1-2 million.
It’s mind blowing that the Mets aren’t even investigating his status. Maybe they have and we don’t know about it. But wouldn’t you want your fans to know you at least made an effort?
But we really have no idea if Omar has talked to Boris about Manny. We know there was no offer, but to say there was no discussion is pure speculation.
At most 2/45
I might get killed for suggesting this, especially given the age of the players, but if Omar isn’t going to pursue Manny, Abreu or Dunn, why not bring back Alou on a minor-league deal and sign the former centerfielder of the Reds and Mariners and have them platoon in left field. At the very least, Alou could be a better version of Julio Franco, a great right-handed pinch-hitting option. I think Murphy might be best served playing every day at first base at the AAA level if he’s not starting every day with the Mets. If Alou and KGJ could combine for 25 homers and 80 rbis, that’s not bad production for the No. 6 or 7 hitter in the order. Just a thought….
The thing with Alou is that he would hit .380 in the spring and win the LF job and then he would get hurt in May.
Or maybe just bring him back to be a pinch-hitting specialist like Franco was and maybe start once in a while. Old Pee Hands can still rake but can’t stand upright for more than a few days….
I would just hate to see the Phillies sign him for their bench and have him pulverize the Mets with late-inning pinch hits.
I’d rather have Anderson. Look at his numbers. The guy is a rock, and in this economy, he’s dirt cheap.
I’m all for upgrading LF but Garrett Anderson, he of the .327 career OBP, is not the guy to do it.
I’m pretty confident the Mets can get 15 HR and 80 RBI out of the current platoon, likely with better on-base skills too.
Yeah, I’ve never been much of a fan of Anderson’s, especially since he hasn’t produced the 25 homers and 100-plus RBis in a good four or five years now. He’s never been able to draw a walk. What do you think of KGJ? Think he’s got anything left? He didn’t look too good for the White Sox late last season, but he might be worth a look if the price is right….
Junior would be worth it for the clubhouse and intangibles alone. He won’t put up big numbers, but he’d be a solid pinch hitter and injury starter.
You’re not following me. He’s not for LF; he’s for RF. Until Church proves he can see in a straight line, I want Garret Anderson, he of the near-.800 career OPS, batting against lefties and tough righties. Why lefties? Anderson has a .291 career line against them, including .290 last year. Plus, if Murphy disappoints, we can plug Anderson in LF. I say he’s very useful.
I think you’re seriously shortchanging Church. I think the Tatis/Murphy platoon is a bigger question mark than Church in right. Besides, Garrett Anderson hasn’t played one game in right field since 2000. I think I may have a better throwing arm than he does and my fastball barely touches 50 MPH…..
Concussions are serious, man. I trust the platoon over Church until he proves to me he can come back. He was an automatic out in September last year.
I don’t think that is a bad idea Alou is well respected a veteran that sadly couldn’t stay healthy thats all.
There was no bad feelings between him and club.
I mean Omar has been stashing the bench with punch-and-judy hitters like Sullivan, Cora and Reed. Might as well bring in some guys with extra-base pop for those key late-inning ABs.
I would really like to sign Hudson. I mean lets just say….as much as we want Manny and pray it will happen, chances are extremely slim & we have to start exploring other options. I think he would be a great fit a a great #2 hitter. What do you guys think?
Once again: Hudson can’t hit. At least not as well as people seem to think he can. Plus, he’s injury-prone, we can’t dump Slappy, and Omar says we’re done. So, in short, no.
I’ve always liked Hudson, seems to be a good-attitude kind of guy who can at least get the ball out of the infield every once in a while. But they’re not going to be able to move Castillo’s albatross of a contract, so the point is moot.
I would love to have Hudson here. Obviously Castillo isn’t going anywhere but I think they should get creative and see if Hudson will move to left.
I don’t know, I actually think you’d get better power production from the Tatis/Murphy tandem than if you stuck Hudson out there. I don’t think Hudson has ever approached 20 homers in a season, has he?
hudson is a three time gold glove winner. It makes no sense to move him out of second and leave the poor-fielding castillo in there with bad knees
Find the url to F-Marts HR any1?
just check mlb.com. it is in the headline section.
thx heres the url 4 anyone else
mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200902033796392
Nice he got all of it…
Minaya is happy to see that
Cross my fingers for F-Mart to be in lineup in 09
Enterkrod- Career numbers may not ultimately count for much, but it’s certainly better than judging players “clutchness” off of ONE YEAR.
2007
runners on SECOND base
wright .236
beltran .266
delgado .245
STRIKEOUTS : 13,16,12
LATE INNINGS IN CLOSE GAMES
.452
.241
.200
thats funny sylar….the two collapses…hmmmm…..good clutch hitting out of 3 of the 4 core players
2007 RISP:
Wright: .310
Beltran: .277
Delgado: .274
Just awful…
.277 and .274 is not good…you think thats good?…i would expect that from a minor league player…good argument…really…exceptional..
Purely for comparison, the 2008 Phils 3-4-5 hitters BA with RISP:
Utley: .271
Howard: .320
Burrell: .234
Also, the 2008 Rays 3-4-5 hitters BA with RISP:
Upton: .267
Pena: .259
Longoria: .241
I Love Steve Somers. He is fun to listen to on da WFAN
everyone seems to remember just last year….how about the 7 games up with 17 to play?….how about their offense?…not good right?…by those numbers…so tell me after seeing 2007 and 2008….how is their clutchness?..
It’s sad Hudson would like to come to NY.
He is a Firey player from all accounts
A great clubhouse presence.
A guy thats not a superstar just a scrappy backman like player it seems
But theirs no room 4 him
Yeah, why Omar ever gave Castillo a four-year contract is one of life’s great mysteries….
I have a theory that Castillo got that contract 4 swaying Santana to sign with Mets.
Enterkrod:
Manny Ramirez 2007 RISP: .276
……
In all honestly, most of these “clutch” stats mean nothing as the players AVG in those situations is similar to their career AVG
You guys with the numbers, “Oh My God”….
Stats Charts Projections Formulas Graphs
My head hurts
=)
I think I can speak for many folks here in saying that the stats are an attempt to explain to people that our offense was not that bad. To take the best/worst example, judging Wright based on that one at bat against the Cubs–which surely hurt and frustrated EVERY Met fan–is completely ridiculous.
thx brock 4 that.
I just personally feel #’s don’t tell the story.
Thank you Mr North….I agree that numbers do not tell the entire story. I just think that when we had a pen that blew 29 saves and 44 leads, or whatever it was, and we had the 2nd most runs in the league, and when we have Wright, Reyes, Delgado and Beltran have the seasons they have, and then we miss the playoffs by 1 game, to me all of those stats/facts strongly suggest that, in the overall scheme of things, the offense and the clutch hitting really could not have been the problem.
But I know that we can agree to disagree. I just think all of the above facts put together point to the pen as the main culprit in missing the playoffs.
I am just completely disgusted at the fact that Minaya is going to bring back the exact same offense last year, with another bad/mediocre bench to boot.
Unacceptable
Why do you keep posting the exact same few things, almost verbatim, again and again and again and again?
Maybe just maybe Minaya’s right and his faith in team will be rewarded in 2009.
They said that about Willie in 2008. Look how that turned out.
LoL True
ESPN just had a crawl that said CITI is now trying to figure out a way of getting out of its $400 million deal with the Mets.
Welcome to Fill the blank Field. Hey at least it would force them to create a new patch
Really???
=(
It’s hard being a Mets fan.
Letterman is going to have a field day with this if it comes to fruition.
Letterman is a sexist pig who has no place on late night television or television at all. Jay Leno is where it’s at.
Gee nymbg tell us how u really feel
=)
come on, ive already been calling it ‘Tax Payer Field’
and as im typing this f-mart’s BOMB comes on sports center, wow what a swing
Are we all losing our minds?Manny is asking for 25 million a year,gets an offer for one year at that price,and turns it down! When is all of this gonna stop?When is it gonna come to the point where the only way we’re gonna see baseball,or any sport is on TV or ESPN? These guys have gotten WAAAAYYY outta hand,and it has to stop——NOW! As much as I’d LOVE to see him batting clean-up for the Mets,I’d have to say that enough is enough! I think all of these guys should try and get a 9 to 5 job,then see how much they earn,and think about who is actually paying their salary–WE ARE! It just keeps getting worse and worse every year,and people are living in the streets,in their cars—why? It’s time for all of these spoiled althletes AND owners to stop and think about the “little guy”(YOU AND ME).Oh yeah,and Scott Boras,your JUST AS GUILTY!!!!!!!!
You’d do the same thing in his situation who r u kiddin
Who am I kidding? Did you read what I typed? We’re NOT in his situation,and we shouldn’t have to pay for his greed! Wanna explain to me how these guys can’t live on a million a year?
You can complain and complain about players salaries. If you really wantr to make “your stand” then dont buy a ticket, or and merchindise. I dont you watch them on TV so SNY get rating points so they make more money from their ads.
Your paying their salaries. If you dont like it, dont watch!
LOL……..good point,and trust me,I don’t buy tickets cuz I don’t live in NY,and I don’t buy any of the merchandise.I can’t get them on SNY cuz where I live we don’t get it.Got any more “advice”?????????
dont log onto metsblog cuz its sponsored by sny too!
Yup “Citgroup eyes options to void $400M Mets deal” That’s what the crawl said exactly
Can we call it Shea Stadium then???
reyes
castillo
wright
delgado
beltran
church
tatis
scheider
santana
pelfrey
perez
maine
redding
stokes
parnell
sanchez
green
feliciano
putz
krod
murphy
castro
cora
reed
anderson
garcia
neise
pagon
sullivan
evans
f-mart
alright boys lets go to war
Let’s not and say we did!
oh come on, lets stop looking at in on paper and look at the players we DO have instead of the ones we DONT…we can all stop these fantasy dream teams since omar says were done…
reyes – best lead off hitter in the game, electric, awesome defense, the match that lights this team
castillo – cant get any worse than last year
wright – leader of this team, awesome all around player
delgado – showed he can still hit the cover off the ball, clubhouse leader
beltran – best center fielder in the game, switch hitter, speed, power
church – plays HARD, big arm, MVP of the team the first 3 2-3 months
tatis – showed the most heart last year, plays hard
scheider – cant get much worse offensively, going to be much better defensively this year
santana – absolute monster
pelfrey – young with electric stuff, DP machine
ollie – electric stuff, needs to be more consistent
maine – could be a 2-3…hes healthy and hes awesome
redding – new face, pumped to play in ny, finally playing for a winning team, solid 5
sanchez – a year removed from shoulder surgery, gets both leftys and rightys out
parnell – young, throws hard
stokes – throws hard, killer curve
feliciano – when hes on, leftys cant hit him, and now with show gone, he can exclusively be the lefty specialist
green – new face, workhorse
putz – new face, awesome stuff
krod – makes reyes look like a statue, has that fire and pas-sion the mets needed last year
murphy – tough kid, plays hard
castro – heck of a backup – can hit the cover off the ball
cora – solid back up infielder
anderson – cant hit worse than he did last year
reed – new face, plays great defence
waiting in the wings – solid depth
thoughts?
I think you’re very optimistic.
You sound like me 10 years ago.
When I still thought you could take a picture of a player at their best and hope they do that every game for the entire season.
I hope you’re right.
i believe in this team, as much as they break my heart late in every season, i still believe, – wright beltran reyes santana krod in their prime –
ya gotta believe man
In 2006, we all knew starting pitching was the issue going into 2007, but Minaya didn’t address it. In 2007, our predictions came true, and SP was a big problem. So Minaya reacted late to it, and improved the SP going into 2008. Going into 2008, we all knew RP was the problem, but Minaya brought back the exact same bullpen from 2007. In 2008, the bullpen/RP failed miserably, as we all knew it would going into the year, and he finally addressed it going into 2009, but a year too late ( but we still need a lefty reliever and another arm or two- work is not done). And now, going into 2009, we all know the problem is going to be the offense, but Minaya is sticking his head in the sand. So when this teams fails in 2009, largely because of an unproductive offense, he will probably finally address it going into 2010- one year too late, just like in previous years. I’m sick of it, this team will not make the playoffs…they’re content just to be “in the race.” They never go for the gusto, never go the extra mile- like a big market team should.
maybe we should trade david wright for shane victorino?
hes a clutch hitter right?
Does anyone know if there is any way to do a search for your own login name, and pull up every post you’ve ever made on here?
Just curious.
Maybe your right duhmasta……..seems like your not aloowed to have an honest opinion on here and if you give it,you get condemned by an idiot like yourself!
lol i never condemned you
im right about what?
whos this jordan zakarin?
is he a new writer for metsblog?
nvm hes been around
time for bed
I don’t see why the dodgers won’t forget about Manny.
They can sign Hudson + Abreu or Dunn + Wolf (and possibly Sheets) for about the same money as one Manny.
I would make that happen if I were Dodgers GM.
The longer this goes on, Manny’s not going to be happy where ever he ends up. Especially if he has to sign for less money then he was offered before.
The way people are avoiding him is almost Barry Bondish.
Well Well Well it’s 1:40am est seems like it’s a quiet morning of Feb 4 2009
Minaya has dropped the hammer and for better or worse these are our 2009 NY Mets
Am I happy? no, but I never am. I’m always looking for ways team could be better.
Well Well Well it’s 1:40am est seems like it’s a quiet morning of Feb 4 2009
Minaya has dropped the hammer and for better or worse these are our 2009 NY Mets
Am I happy? no, but I never am. I’m always looking for ways team could be better.
I’m sure Mets will cause me to hit the bottle as usual.
I’m sure winning run will be left at 3rd with no one out causing me to think, what if?
Im sure Wright will hit a game inning HR
A Perfect Storm is brewing at Flushing I hope.
That will wipe away the suffering from last 2 years.
And clear all the tears that was spilled at Old Shea Stadium.
Go Mets in 2009
Bring It Hard!!!
Well Well Well it’s 1:40am est seems like it’s a quiet morning of Feb 4 2009
Minaya has dropped the hammer and for better or worse these are our 2009 NY Mets
Am I happy? no, but I never am. I’m always looking for ways team could be better.
Like everyone here I bleed Orange & Blue.
We may differ on how to get there but we are all trying to get to the same place
W.S.
I’m sure Mets will cause me to hit the bottle as usual.
I’m sure winning run will be left at 3rd with no one out causing me to think, what if?
Im sure Wright will hit a game inning HR
A Perfect Storm is brewing at Flushing I hope.
That will wipe away the suffering from last 2 years.
And clear all the tears that was spilled at Old Shea Stadium.
Go Mets in 2009
Bring It Hard!!!
I CAN’T SAY B-A-B-Y DUMB FILTER
BABY
Im sorry the dumb filter wont let me say
C-H-A-M-P-S
I killed myself trying to isolate what word it was ll i wanted 2 say was WORLD SERIES C-H-A-M-P-S
BUT kept getting moderated make note
good mourning my fellow mets fans ( yes pun intended) its time for your daily dose of “this date in mets infamy with rusty”
first off happy b-day to prospect who never made it Jeff Gardner (1964)
Transactions:
New York Mets traded Ralph Milliard to the Cincinnati Reds for Mark Corey on February 4, 1999. – one word – WHO!!
New York Mets signed free agent Dennis Springer of the Florida Marlins on February 4, 2000. once again WHO!!!
Colorado Rockies signed Billy Taylor of the New York Mets as a free agent on February 4, 2000. billy taylor i’d rather forget lol didnt we trade izzy for him??
New York Mets signed free agent Mike Glavine on February 4, 2003. – this was to make good old “i’m not devestated ” feel more at home – wake up jeff!!
Hey, Rusty – good morning. I just love these ‘days in Met history’ you provide.
if the Mets are trully satisfied with their team then why not offer Sheets a deal similar to Freddy Garcia just a major league deal and higher incentives.
If he gets hurt, its only money lost and if he doesnt get hurt we have 2 aces
I agree but not sure he’d take something like that. I read somewhere where he is looking for a 2 year guaranteed deal. He must be as worried about his arm as everyone else is – lol.
Omar on WFAN right now.
damn you cant say c-h-a-m-p-s MATT!!! THIS ID GETTING REDICULOUSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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