Bullpen: The Left-Handed Reliever

February 5, 2009 at 12:25 pm · 208 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

On Tuesday, while talking to reporters, Omar Minaya said he will continue to look for ‘smaller pieces,’ specifically a left-handed reliever.

Minaya added, ‘It doesn’t mean that we have to get (a left-handed reliever), because we do have some righties that can get lefties out, but, that being said, we will continue to look.”

it sounded, to me, like minaya was talking about bringing in guys on minor-league deals, not bigger-name pitchers on major-league deals, noting how he got Pedro Feliciano on a minor-league deal, and pointing out he currently has Valerio De Los Santos in on a minor-league deal for this spring as well

However, Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com believes the Mets have been in contact with free-agent LHP Will Ohman, in an effort to sign the pitcher at a bargain.

Meanwhile, yesterday, Tim Dierkes of MLB Trade Rumors identified seven left-handed relievers who are still available on the free-agent market, including Joe Beimel, Randy Flores, Ohman, Dennys Reyes and Ron Villone, among others.

…i have to think most of these guys will get major-league deals some place, but, at this rate, who knows… i believe the Mets showed interest in biemel and reyes earlier in the off season, but that was quite a while ago

In addition to De Los Santos , the Mets will also have left-handed relievers Tom Martin, Casey Fossum, Jon Switzer and Heriberto Ruelas in camp, all acquired this off season on minor-league deals, as well as LHP Adam Bostick, who spent most of last season in Triple-A on the disabled list.

i believe Francisco Rodriguez, J.J. Putz, Sean Green, Brian Stokes, Pedro Feliciano and Duaner Sanchez are pretty much guaranteed a spot in the Opening Day bullpen…

…so, assuming Marlon Anderson is on the roster, that will make room for one more bench player, because Fernando Tatis and Daniel Murphy will be in a platoon, which means there is technically only one room for one more relief pitcher in the bullpen, assuming Tim Redding is the team’s fifth starter, which will be needed in the first week of the season

The Mets also will have RHP Rocky Cherry in camp, who they acquired from the O’s during the Rule V Draft in December.

In 19 career innings, spanning three seasons, left-handed hitters are batting .167 against Cherry, who must be returned to Baltimore if he is not on the Mets 25–man roster.

{ 208 comments }

reillys5 February 5, 2009 at 12:29 pm

we need to stop looking at in on paper and look at the players we DO have instead of the ones we DONT…we can all stop these fantasy dream teams since omar says were done…

reyes – best lead off hitter in the game, electric, awesome defense, the match that lights this team
castillo – cant get any worse than last year
wright – leader of this team, awesome all around player
delgado – showed he can still hit the cover off the ball, clubhouse leader
beltran – best center fielder in the game, switch hitter, speed, power
church – plays HARD, big arm, MVP of the team the first 3 2-3 months
tatis – showed the most heart last year, plays hard
scheider – cant get much worse offensively, going to be much better defensively this year

santana – absolute monster
pelfrey – young with electric stuff, DP machine
ollie – electric stuff, needs to be more consistent
maine – could be a 2-3…hes healthy and hes awesome
redding – new face, pumped to play in ny, finally playing for a winning team, solid 5

sanchez – a year removed from shoulder surgery, gets both leftys and rightys out
parnell – young, throws hard
stokes – throws hard, killer curve
feliciano – when hes on, leftys cant hit him, and now with show gone, he can exclusively be the lefty specialist
green – new face, workhorse
putz – new face, awesome stuff
krod – makes reyes look like a statue, has that fire and pas-sion the mets needed last year

murphy – tough kid, plays hard
castro – heck of a backup – can hit the cover off the ball
cora – solid back up infielder
anderson – cant hit worse than he did last year
reed – new face, plays great defence

waiting in the wings – solid depth

thoughts?

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Well, I am clearly with you in the unrepentant optimist camp!

Agree pretty much all around man; fine analysis, and very realistic I think.

And ALL of those bullpen guys after kRod and JJ will be pitching in the 6th and 7th, not the 8th and 9th like last year…hence, much less pressure, and easier to succeed I would hope.

reillys5 February 5, 2009 at 12:37 pm

yeah man, ya gotta believe … another small addition or two would be nice to round out the team, but otherwise im ready to go to war

Snort-It-Like-Keith February 5, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Castro the backup who cant stay healthy

reillys5 February 5, 2009 at 12:40 pm

well thats why hes a backup – the guy can still rake

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:43 pm

What does it matter if he can rake? He forces Schnieder to be the main catcher and never pinch hits anway. He’s had 13 PH AB’s in 3 years.

Snort-It-Like-Keith February 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm

Yea he can again when healthy which he was not last year. The guy can hit very well but the reason he is not starting is he can not stay healthy. If you are a backup or part time player and you still can not stay healthy that is not good. Other then that I agree with most of your player analysis. I just bought my Mets 15 game ticket plan and I am ready to go. Can not wait for the season to start. LETS GO METS!!!

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm

Yes, he can rake, but he’s not reliable and whenever the starter gets dinged and needs say 3 days off, Castro fills in then gets hurt, causing roster turmoil. I would trade the occasional raking for more health and roster stability.

mark4212 February 5, 2009 at 1:31 pm

You never pinch hit your catcher. Because you never know if your Starter will go down. No team PH’s their catcher he would be the absolute last guy to PH.

The fact he is always hurt is annoying. But as was posted on here, the Mets have been looking to move him because they are happy to go ahead with Cancel. So if that’s your main concern then you should be super happy.

its hard to be a met fan February 5, 2009 at 12:44 pm

make the following adjustments:
Garcia for Redding
Redding for Parnell
Sullivan for Reed

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm

I understand where your coming from but don’t you feel to be fair you must weigh the positive and negative.

I mean ok no fantasy but do you really believe Omar is not going to make another deal or signing in all of 2009?

Joe Bacci February 5, 2009 at 12:58 pm

I’m fired up reilly!

Let’s Go Mets!

reillys5 February 5, 2009 at 1:23 pm

your right

castro is often hurt
david wright needs to step his game up a little
reyes needs to be dynamic all year
beltran and delgado need to be the best versions of themselves

i agree that with the positives i have pointed out, the negatives need to be addressed, but i truly believe the positives greatly outweigh the negatives

i can’t wait to be there for opening day and im pumped up right now !!

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:28 pm

my thoughts on parenthesis to some of the players:

reyes – best lead off hitter in the game, electric, awesome defense, the match that lights this team
castillo – (GARBAGE)
wright – leader of this team, awesome all around player
delgado – showed he can still hit the cover off the ball, clubhouse leader (let’s all pray he repeats if not he’s GARBAGE)
beltran – best center fielder in the game, switch hitter, speed, power
church – plays HARD, big arm, MVP of the team the first 3 2-3 months 9question mark. hit 220 after he came back)
tatis – showed the most heart last year, plays hard (let’s pray he’s not back to earth and if he is, then he’s GARBAGE)
schneider – cant get much worse offensively, going to be much better defensively this year

santana – absolute monster
pelfrey – young with electric stuff, DP machine
ollie – electric stuff, needs to be more consistent (let’s pray and a bullpen killer)
maine – could be a 2-3…hes healthy and hes awesome (no, 5 inningS guy AND a 1 pitch pony)
redding – new face, pumped to play in ny, finally playing for a winning team, solid 5 ( another question mark)

sanchez – a year removed from shoulder surgery, gets both leftys and rightys out (no he doesn’t)
parnell – young, throws hard
stokes – throws hard, killer curve
feliciano – when hes on, leftys cant hit him, and now with show gone, he can exclusively be the lefty specialist (we need another lefty)
green – new face, workhorse
putz – new face, awesome stuff
krod – makes reyes look like a statue, has that fire and pas-sion the mets needed last year

murphy – tough kid, plays hard
castro – heck of a backup – can hit the cover off the ball (will be gone)
cora – solid back up infielder (GARBAGE)
anderson – cant hit worse than he did last year (GARBAGE)
reed – new face, plays great defense (GARBAGE)

those are my thoughts..

isles81 February 5, 2009 at 12:29 pm

I can’t believe Marlon Anderson very well may still be on the roster this season. Come on, seriously? The guy had a nice career, but it’s over.

ExileInLA February 5, 2009 at 12:31 pm

100% agreed. Marlon is a wasted spot. I’d be scared to have him in the field, too.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 12:32 pm

And your replacement suggestion for a lefty bat off the bench who has had pinch-hitting success and can fill in just about anywhere in the field is……

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:41 pm

David Murphy. That being said Cora is LH as well. Marlon is just not needed at all.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Whoops, where’s the edit button. DANIEL, not David. Man, that’s bad.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Well, I think we are likely to see Murphy starting a lot, between LF, RF, and 2B….plus, Cora has pretty much played 2B and SS only, and Anderson can fill in anywhere on the field other than C, and also SS/3B, where we don’t need fill ins….

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Marlon can’t field ANYWHERE anymore and can’t hit either. There are many better options on this one kingman.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Well, I am trying to be optimistic, as he is signed through this year I think….I would guess he makes the team out of spring training, and gets jettisoned mid-season if he indeed cannot field anymore and hits like he did in 2008…..

Snort-It-Like-Keith February 5, 2009 at 12:51 pm

Marlon is done I will not be happy if he somehow makes this team. He was solid for us in the past but the guy is washed up … and he did not look that great in the field last year. I can recall a few plays in the OF that made Murphy (who is not a left fielder) look like a gold glover.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm

I really think he is why we have brought in 106 LH this offseason. I don’t expect him to be here at all.

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:01 pm

Cora as a PH in 90 career plate appearances: .263 .306 .350 (1 for 1 last year!)

Marlon: .275 .340 .413 in 339 PAs. He was awful last season, though.

If you give him a free p@ss while he was injured last season… he’s a better hitter as a pinch hitter than Cora is in any situation.

CaseStreet February 5, 2009 at 12:54 pm

Angel Pagan

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:56 pm

I agree, honestly the guy only needs to be able to play OF. We don’t need another IF.

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:04 pm

in 45 at bats as a PH:
.178 .196 .222

CaseStreet February 5, 2009 at 5:59 pm

From 06-08 82 ABs as a Sub .280/.314/.402/.716.

So, Angel qualifies as a lefty (switch) who has had success PH and can fill many spots

its hard to be a met fan February 5, 2009 at 12:31 pm

I would imagine Stokes & Green have options left so I wouldn’t think they are guaranteed spots…they may have the upper hand though on Parnell & Kunz or any ST invitee.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:57 pm

I think based on talent they are.
Stokes was nasty against RH last year and can pitch in long relief. Green is a carbon copy of Smith.

TheChosen1 February 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm

Stokes has NO options left.

Adam Rubin posted this to his blog a couple days ago:

‘Reliever Brian Stokes is out of options with the Mets, so barring a major letdown in spring training, he would appear to have a good shot of making the Opening Day roster (or being traded at the end of camp).

According to Mets officials, outfielders Jeremy Reed, Cory Sullivan and Angel Pagan all have options. Reed would appear the favorite to make the team out of that group, though it can be based strictly on performance because of the options available on each player.

When I asked a Mets official if reliever Sean Green still had an option, he was unsure. But the point seemed moot since Green is very likely to make the team, joining other bullpen locks such as Francisco Rodriguez, J.J. Putz, Duaner Sanchez and Pedro Feliciano.’

TheChosen1 February 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm

By the way, in that same post (which was yesterday) Rubin lists the Mets minor league managers going into this season:

Buffalo (AAA): Ken Oberkfell
Binghamton (AA): Mako Oliveras
St. Lucie (Hi-A): Tim Teufel
Savannah (Lo-A): Edgar Alfonzo
Brooklyn (short season): Pedro Lopez
Kingsport (rookie): Mike DiFelice
Gulf Coast League (rookie): Julio Franco

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 12:32 pm

I like former Cardinals. Matt mentioned Flores. Is Tyler Johnson A) any good; B) still available?

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:06 pm

I believe the answer is yes to both questions but is also injured.

I remember him doing a number on the Mets in 2006.

djbutler February 5, 2009 at 12:37 pm

Rocky Cherry. Oh the fans are going to have a field day with this guy’s name when he wins… and win he loses.

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 12:39 pm

When he enters the game, will the PA play “Gonna Fly Now” or “Cherry Pie”?

its hard to be a met fan February 5, 2009 at 12:45 pm

yeah “busted cherry”

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Sounds like a character from Boogie Nights whose scenes got left on the cutting room floor…..

Elastic February 5, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Anyone know the status of Maine’s operated shoulder and Santana’s scoped knee(s)?

I heard neither has thrown from a mound since their surgeries. Any updates?

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 12:52 pm

thats what spring training is for =] theyll be fine

janss36 February 5, 2009 at 12:45 pm

I actually like Ron Villone…

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:46 pm

This debate should be over. Ohman is clearly the best choice unless for some reason he is still looking for multiple years or large cash.
I also wonder about Bostick as a Long Relief guy? That would be last resort of course if no one else can be found.

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Among the many compelling reasons to sign Ohman, the Phillies are alleged to be after him, and his agent’s name is Page Odle.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 12:58 pm

I usually don’t care about who the Phillies are going to sign. However, because we need a LHRP and they need someone to replace Romero this one I do care.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 12:48 pm

um im pretty sure MURPHY is going to be the starting LF…just saying…

I <3 DMURPH

mistermet February 5, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Get Marlon Anderson off the team- he is garbage.

And God Forbid Freddie Coupons anties up 2 million dollars for a very good lefty reliever like Will Ohman- would solidify the bullpen immensely. Enough “bottom feeding” for minor league garbage, especially if we aren’t signing any other big player- the least they could do is “splurge” for another good reliever here, I mean is that asking too much, jeez.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 12:53 pm

i really do believe that if he doesnt hit in ST (hes gonna get alot of playing time with everyone away for the WBC) hes getting cut.

mainly because at that point hes a liabilty with that bat && on defense, which we have alot of back-ups for

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm

Yet another in your ceaseless string of brillaint points…the Coupon family surely bottom fed when they signed KRod and acquired Putz, who will be one of the game’s highest paid setup men this year and next….

I thought you left yesterday in the truck headed for Florida?

I guess they probably booted you out before they got out of Queens…..

Kalihan42 February 5, 2009 at 12:52 pm

It looks to me like we have enough young lefties to audition for the las bullpen spot. I would much rather, (if we insist on not going after sheets) try and bring in one more quality bat for OF instead of 2 smaller pieces at a similar price. Too bad we can’t move Castro or Castillo…I feel like that would be enough salary freed up to bring in a significant bat and move Tatis into the bench role.

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Question if F-Mart tears up Spring Training in 2009 does he puch Murphy out?

If so where does Murphy end up If he is also having a decent Spring?

Does Murphy push Castillo at 2nd or does a platoon ensues with F-Mart in LF?

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm

Just guessing, but I think they’ll send FMart down even if he lights up Port St. Lucie.

For argument’s sake, I say if FMart makes the squad, he’s the starting LF, and Tatis and Murphy become bench players, sending some lesser knowns to waivers/AAA, and making the bench much better.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 12:56 pm

Murphy is going to start. period.

Fmart is not ready. My god, can we not rush the stud prospect who has yet to complete a full year of basbeall.

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 1:01 pm

Either you replied to my post accidentally, or you skimmed it. Please note the key phrases “I think they’ll send FMart down even if he lights up Port St. Lucie” and “for argument’s sake.”

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:04 pm

accident O=]

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 1:09 pm

That’s fair. I share your fondness for Murphy and I’m rooting for him. As much fun as it is to see key prospects make it, it’s even more fun to see unheralded 13th round draft choices arrive and succeed.

CaseStreet February 5, 2009 at 12:56 pm

never gonna happen.

F-Mart will start in AA or AAA
Murphy and Castillo on the Mets

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:01 pm

Never is such a long time

Like the saying goes “Never say Never”

mistermet February 5, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Anyone find any pennies or nickels under the couch seats? I can’t believe they have to trade guys in order to spend another 5-6 million on free agents. That is what teams like the Brewers, Royals, and Twins have to do- the 2nd richest team in baseball shouldn’t have to resort to that.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 12:56 pm

2nd richest team=2nd highest payroll.

Makes sense, no??

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 12:57 pm

awesome post haha =]

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 12:58 pm

brock…anytime you say something i agree with you…and like you just said they have the second highetst payroll…BUT they shouldnt HAVE to trade people…just to get rid of 2 million dollars when they just dont want to go over the 142 JUST for one or two more bench players…

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 1:07 pm

Well krod, thank you again, and I do not necessarily disagree, but if they just lost hundreds of millions in the Madoff scheme, combined with how much they may have lost in other investments due to the economy, I guess my view is that I am VERY happy they at least kept payroll where it is, and got KRod and Putz.

Of course, it would be nice to increase payroll by 5–10 mil, but I am happy we kept everyone important, and everyone is under contract for at least a couple more years except Delgado, and we spent a lot to get KRod and JJ….but I definitely respect your opinion man.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:12 pm

i completely agree

TheChosen1 February 5, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Right now, the Mets and Phillies payrolls are very close, with the Mets 2-3 million more.

It’s gonna be interesting to see who ends up higher.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 12:57 pm

i do agree with that…whatever

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Different day…same old tired complaining from the same old usual suspects. In what crazy dimension, with everything going on in the world today, do you have to be living in when $145mm payroll is considered penny pinching?????

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:06 pm

i dont know if you are talking about me…im not complaining..i dont think they are penny pinchers..but two get two more bench players…they wouldnt be going over the lux. tax threshold…i understand they want to stay with the budget…but to TRADE away to get more money because they dont want to spend a little more…that to me is a little crazy…unless they are asking for 10 million then i understand but if its 2 million…come on

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 1:10 pm

Cannot speak for him, but he is probably meaning mistermet…..

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:12 pm

ok i figured that…just wasnt sure..lol..thank you…

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm

Yeah I was speaking to Mister – listen, I don’t have a problem with disagreeing with an approach, but with certain fans, it’s just like a broken record.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:22 pm

i agree..especially if we can have a disagreement and be able to support our own arguments…lol..but yeah it starts to get old about the being cheap and stuff

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Has it ever occured to you that we want to trade Castro because he is a fat slob that can’t stay heatlthy enough to be a backup?

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:07 pm

everyone is so angry…my god…haha…i like castro…when he is healthy he is good…thats the problem though hes never healthy….but i would rather have him up than robinson cancel…

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:19 pm

Who wouldn’t but for what Castro’s being paid you could get Pudge and a reliever.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:21 pm

youre right

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 1:09 pm

LOL…this does kind of sum up Castro, doesn’t it?

Fidel can probably stay healthier than Raul at this point….

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 1:09 pm

Oops, RAMON, getting my darn Castros mixed up….

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm

FMART can hit 400 in spring && still be in the minors.

hes not ready.

MURPHY however, is loved by the front office && everyone in there expects the LF job to be his

I <3 DMURPH

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 12:58 pm

Wait he tears up Sping Traing and he is not ready?

What if Murphy is not hitting the side of a barn is he ready base on his late callup in 08 only?

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:00 pm

FMART hit 320 last spring && did average at AA

SPRING TRAINING STATS MEAN NOTHING

jeez man

the kid needs seasoning && murphy has already hit well at AA && has shown he can stay healthy && has a good eye at the plate which FMART hasnt established yet

murphy is ready && fmart is not.

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:05 pm

You misunderstood,

Not rushing just asking what if that’s all considering we don’t have an established everyday left fielder.

Also the idea Murphy is ready baseD on what he did in 2008 is also reason to be concerned.

I wonder how many Mets fans will say send F-Mart to minors if he tears da cover off ball in Spring Traing while God forbid Murphy is wiffing at everything in site?

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:09 pm

Murphy is not the type of player thats gonna whiff at everything.

Murphy, and we’re lucky to have a breed like him, is a very smart hitter && every at bat he looks good up there.

The guy knows how to work a count, && that is so valuable to our team right now considering we don’t have to many of those

Murphy just has that approach that no matter what he will never be horrible, could he come down to earth && be average? yes theres that chance, but he’ll always be an adequate hitter with that stellar approach he takes

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:13 pm

I hope your right about Murphy and I believe he will be fine but that dont mean he can’t fall by the wayside either.

You know better tan that I believe. I dont need to mention the likes of jefferies or Maas to name only 2.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm

i dont disaggree with you. at all in fact your right on, but id hope youd aggree that his approach to hitting is much different then the busts that you mentioned.

im convinced he’ll neevr be amazing

but when i think back to how he looked at the plate i def see 310avg 40+xbh 370 obp

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Murphy was an unexpected pleasant surprise in 2008 plain n simple. we will need more unexpected pleasant surprises in 2009 if we are to win a W.S.

Here’s to unexpected pleasant surprises in 2009.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:24 pm

cheers!

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:04 pm

If he hits a 1.000 in ST he will still either be sent down and be the first injury call up or he will take Reed’s spot.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:05 pm

fmart will not bi in the bigs to be the 4th or 5th outfielder. never gonna happen. book it

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:08 pm

Minaya is on record of giving kids a shot Joe Smith went from Cyclones to majors remember that no one would of guessed that either.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:11 pm

fair. but a reliever is a horrible comparison.

Fmart will not come up to be a back-up im sorry but its not gonna happen.

If church gets hurt again.. you’ll see him

but ina reserve role, never

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:16 pm

No need to apologize these are all hypothetical s the truth is no one here has a clue what the organization will or won’t do in 2009.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:06 pm

FMART is our future && will be treated as such, meaning he’ll start at AAA && remain there for at least 3/4 of the season most likely the whole season

realmet February 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm

If we get Ohman that could maybe give us the best pen in MLB or at least the NL. From one of the worst to maybe the best is not so bad?
If they get Ohman I could see Garcia or Redding as the long man and Stokes gettting traded or going to 3A. Agree, I would cut Marlon and keep one of the other OF’ers(sullivan,reed)unless we get Aurilia.

Kalihan42 February 5, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Marlon is a quality bench hitter…he would make good trade bait over cutting.

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:03 pm

I like marlon a lot, but unfortunately I think he may be done. He looked horrible at the plate last year and he is not getting any younger. Hopefully he can re bound, but he is still signed through this year. I think this was an attempt on the part of Minaya to try and make up for his previously poor decision of letting marlon walk the first time around and instead choosing to sign Franco to the 2 year deal. Hopefully we can get some production out of him though, and he is a good clubhouse guy.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:06 pm

By no means should Stokes not be on the team. He was lights out as a LRP and against RH.
Krod
Putz
Sanchez
Ohman
Feliciano
Green
Stokes is the pen we should have.
I see Redding startin the season as the #5 and Garcia in AAA. However, I could also see trading Sanchez. I think he would get a decent return. Maybe a RH bench guy or LHRP.

vic79 February 5, 2009 at 1:01 pm

Marlon has to be gone

Vs Righties

Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Murphy
Schneider

Castro
Tatis
Cora
one of Reed, Mackowiak, Sullivan
RH BAT , right now it’s Kielty I would say

Deadpanwalking February 5, 2009 at 1:04 pm

Rocky Cherry? I thought that was a Ben and Jerry’s flavor.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:07 pm

I guess what we all keep forgeting is that Evans was very good against LHP. IF the Mets are not concerned about limiting his AB’s he would be a good option to keep as the RH hitter.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:10 pm

i was not a fan of his

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:14 pm

I am sure he is hurt.
However, the guy had a .900 OPS against LHP last year in 70+ AB’s. Again, if they want him to be more than a bench player then leave him in the minors but if not he would be fine.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:16 pm

ok…did not know that thank you

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:18 pm

I tend to agree with enterkrod, the stats as you point out maybe good against LHP, but his all around game leaves a lot to be desired. In his defense, he did come on strong at the end of the year after coming up and looking totally overmatched.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:20 pm

i think thats what it is…when he was up there..he just looked overmatched…good word..lol…swinging at high fastballs…sliders in the dirt…wait a minute im thinking of david wright…haha…burned…ha…sorry…that was g-a-y…haha…bear with me…a week and 2 days before spring training..im starting to calm down again

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:25 pm

He was completely overmatched against RHP. So what the Mets have to decide is can he get better against them or should he just stay up and be the RH.

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:34 pm

Fair enough. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt considering the orginizations seems to have plans for him, but again, I just didn’t see a very quick bat, or much athleticism in the field. I think part of that may have to do with the fact that Murphy came up and was hitting lights out, so he paled in comparison.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:09 pm

now everyone on here knows that i wanted manny more than anyone…but after having omar saying they are done with major acquisitions….why the h-e-l-l are people going to do this manny march in freezing weather?…i admired them the last time…this time it will just be pointless and dumb….or am i the only one that thinks this?

GravediggerHebner February 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm

The people involved in this didn’t care about all the evidence staring them in the face before that said it was extremely unlikely, why would they care about one more piece of evidence?

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:18 pm

Here’s to miracles coming true. Good luck guys anyway.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm

I think it’s more of a look at me I am on tv stunt now.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:18 pm

thats true….agree on both points…its just funny because i was the ringleader…and if im saying im not counting on him coming here…they must be really crazy and dumb..haha….cause even if there was a slight chance of him coming here…i still would not go out in the cold…not to mention he isnt coming here

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:19 pm

id rather have Evans grow in the back-up role against lefties then spend money on a washed up vet, just saying

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:23 pm

plus hes one of our guys… && has shown he can be pretty decent agaisnt lefties

time to start bringing up role players from the farm. youth is always a plus.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:27 pm

I would not even object to it being a Murphy/Evans platoon with Tatis becoming the super sub RH bench guy we need. Seems like a great way to save some money for other areas.
Might as well see what these kids have. We did ok on offense last year with below league average production from LF.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:23 pm

doesnt woll ohman look like hes 40 years old?..check out his stats on mlb.com…his picture it looks like hes 40..but hes only 32

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:30 pm

omg. ew

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:32 pm

man i know right?…i was like ohman i heard of him..and i looked to see his stats i was like great another 42 year old..and he was born in 77 i was like holy crap…hes ten years younger..lol

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:37 pm

i dont want that face on my team. loll

vic79 February 5, 2009 at 1:23 pm

I also Rather have Evans in AAA and get called up in case of injury

He could do the job for sure but is still young

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:27 pm

why spend 1-2 million on something that we have?

i dont know, i was just a-s-suming that we all have gotten tired of these retreads trying to save their careers on our team.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:28 pm

After thinking about it I completely agree. Between Evans and Tatis we should be fine on the bench.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:31 pm

we dont need them to be great, just steady.

&& they showed that last year. && Evans always has that chance to get even better

bxsci insight February 5, 2009 at 1:26 pm

There ballpen looks good. In the majors ballpens tend to have 1 good year, one bad. Just look at the phillies. Feliciano tends to wear down and struggle in september, but he gets howard and utley out so no complaints

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:29 pm

Ballpen?

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:32 pm

lol, mr english teacher..

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:35 pm

I can’t spell at all Alex, but this guy did it twice so either he likes calling it a ballpen for some reason or actually thinks it’s called that.

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Dude, my Dad calls it a ballpen. Haha. Used to really upset me when I was a kid, now I just let it go. Then again, he also calls Seinfeld, Steinfelt and he watches the show everyday, so I really don’t know what to make of it.

Dad is that you???

jgunzz23 February 5, 2009 at 1:41 pm

thank you

Mike12 February 5, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Beimel deserves a lot more than a minor league deal.

The guy would be the PERFECT fit in this pen! He’s a lefty, can get both sides of the plate out with relative ease, and a good presence in the clubhouse.

The guy only gave up 11 runs all year, and NO home runs. That right there is leeeeeeeeeeagues better than anyone in the pen last year.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:28 pm

didnt he walk a ton? didnt look up the stats but i heard his numbers are very decieving

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:32 pm

You mean the guy that had a 1.45 WHIP and LH batted .266 against? No thanks.
Ohman 1.24 WHIP and .197 BA vs LH.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:36 pm

thanks TRS =]

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm

Lefties batted .278 against himn with a .330 OBP and righties hit .263 but with a .363 OBP.

The guy doesn’t get anyone out with any ease. 25BB and 32K in 49 IP? No thanks.

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:41 pm

whoops. TRS got in there before me.

enterkrod February 5, 2009 at 1:28 pm

im kind of hoping castillo does bad..just because im tired of hearing about him too…since we got him its all its about…he is supposed to have a better season…well since he cant get worse i hope so..i would rather have him sit the bench…or go away and put someone in there

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:33 pm

i really do believe he’ll bounce back, im in the minority but i really see this front office push for him to work harder will have a good affect.

dont expect too much but 280ba 360obp is very possible

im more worried about his defense then offense to be honest

jgunzz23 February 5, 2009 at 1:28 pm

ROCKY CHERRY nuff said…
hahahahaha

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:30 pm

I hope Manuel pushes starters to fight and go deeper into games like he had them do late last year due to pen I think the starters surprised themselves when pushed the resolve they had to fight.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:31 pm

i never seen a GARBAGE back up gets soo much love like cora does… amazing.. a 245 hitter who we absolutely over pay to get here.. jesus..

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:33 pm

I have never seen a poster so obsessed with a garbage backup.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:36 pm

i’ve never seen a poster being a garbage back up cousin!

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm

I told you yesterday that I am not getting involved with anymore debates about Cora’s ability or in your case lack there of. It was a good signing, we over paid by 500,000 or so because he would be a backup. It does not bother me either way. I would have rather have had Grudzy but I understand why they went with the younger guy.

Also, my last question for you is why do you continue to use career averages for him but refuse to use career averages for anyone you dislike, like Castillo?

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:44 pm

Cora is gonna be a fan favorite. watch.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:46 pm

becoz he’s garbage, and castillo it’s what it is, he’s nothing but a slappy player.. most of you like cora for whatever reason, but he’s castillo part 2, and you will see by may how garbage he is..

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:47 pm

Not with Alex leading his own verison of the 12 man march against him.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:49 pm

Cora had 41 hits last year and 10 of them were for extrabases. Not what I would call Slappy.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 2:01 pm

if he has 10 this year with us i will officially change my name to therealsince86’s son…

but if he doesn’t you have to change your name too.. to princess leia deal..?

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:09 pm

It depends on if he gets 180 AB’s. If he does then sure I will take that bet. However, I don’t care about the screen name. I would just want 1 year of you not whinning about minor signings.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 2:11 pm

i rpomise i’ll be mr happy for you, but are you gonna change ur name yes or no??

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Comeon Alex, it’s hard to have a conversation with a guy that can’t read. I said I would if he got 180 AB’s like he did this year. He could fall off the plane for ST and not get an AB. Castillo could all of a sudden be recovered or dumped and Hudson signed.
So, as I said, IF he gets 180 AB’s then the bet is valid.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 2:20 pm

eventually i read that, don’t be an EJ. ok, is valid, if he gets 180 at bats and he doesn’t get 10 xb hits then u shall change ur name.. if he does, i’ll be mr “no matter what we do i’m happy with my team” happy

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:34 pm

if you saw what he did in a reserve role last 3 years for the red sox, you would not be saying that.

overpaid, yes. by a lot

but hes far from horrible. ill tell you that

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:36 pm

GARBAGE!

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:41 pm

i gladly accept the red sox garbage then, its not like they knew what they were doing the last 4 years or anything like that…

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Useless to try. I think Alex may actually be Alex Cora and he’s trying to set the bar low.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:48 pm

believe me, if i was alex cora’s i’d be hanging wit you right now..

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:51 pm

You are. Duh.

Besides, I have never said Cora was great or even good.
I have only said that it’s not a bad signing and there was not much available. We overpaid by a little because all the other guys wanted to start. Cora is happy being a backup on a good team instead of being a starter for the Padres. I have already said that I would have rather have had Grudzy. However, with Cora he can platoon with Castillo if need be because he is LH and Castillo is better RH.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:54 pm

how ca n2 guys soooooo similar can platoon each other?? the both s*** and can’t hit for sh**..

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:45 pm

Alex coming out firing on all cylinders today. Where you been buddy?

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:48 pm

i really am on fire, becoz this guy will be our 2B by may, and we’ll be calling for omar’s head when we have nothing to show for for all the garbage he’s got us this offseason..

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 1:52 pm

Like K-Rod and Putz? If he is the full time 2B, then Castillo is not playing. Look, at this point it’s time to just come to grips with what we have. Let’s move on.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Right because we would have been MUCH better off with Eckencrappy starting. LOL. That’s the difference maker right there. A guy that hit worse than Castillo did last year even though he was healthy.
Besides as of right now Hudson may still be available. Teams are staying away from him like the plague.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:53 pm

blewww…

sorry just the thought of having either start at 2B made me vomit… sorry.. ok, i got my CPR card im locked and loaded let’s go..

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:00 pm

Well Alex, that’s what it would have been. Omar is on record saying that it would have been Eckencrappy instead of Castillo last year and that they spoke with him this year and he wanted to start. Thus, who else would it have been? Lorretta wanted to go back home and start. Besides Grudzy or a trade? We were never going to pay Hudson what he wanted an put Castillo on the bench.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 2:02 pm

so for once can you say THANK YOU OMAR?? can you?

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Thank you Omar for not signing Zito, Sheets, or Eckencrappy. The Castillo deal was horrible though, I admit. It’s the Astro’s fault. That and Castillo hitting right at his career averages in 2007. Dang those Astro’s and averages.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:07 pm

STill the Castillo stigning is done. Give him his grief for it and move on. You have yet to say who you would have rather have had this season for 2B with Castillo still on the team. You can’t say Eckencrappy, Loretta or Miles as they all got starting gigs from the begining so they would not have came here. You also can’t say Hudson because up until now he was looking for at least 4/32 which would have been a worse contract than Castillo’s.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 2:08 pm

no, thank you for signing castillo, cora, alou, el duque, oliver perez and corey sullivan..

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:11 pm

Here is the thing Alex for every bad move you come up with I could come up with a good. What does that tell us? Exactlly what I have said all along. He is an average GM.

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm

for now i will give you the benfit of the doubt… for now.. but if it happens that all his “offseason” moves are struggling i want u to start bashing him like u should..

boozermetsfan February 5, 2009 at 1:33 pm

what happened to Easley?

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:34 pm

I am guessing he got old.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:35 pm

always hurt. && isnt it funny he always got hurt when we needed him most?

that alone explains why hes not on the team

&& i liked him btw. but i respect Omar’s reasoning for not bringing him back

alex.422 February 5, 2009 at 1:37 pm

At least he can get the ball past the infield..

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:40 pm

so can the bench we have now man, there not great but where they lack with the bat they make up for in health && defense which is there job.

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Santana definitely came into his own as an ace down the stretch. Especially after that game he left that Manuel said during postgame if Santana had demanded the ball who would of let him go out to try and finish the game but he didnt demand for the ball

After that Santana took the ball every start and emptied his tank before being removed.

It was refreshing cause I remember Mad DEog complaining Santana was a guy that after his 90 pitches didnt care and would leave games.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:43 pm

he stepped up big time down the stretch, good point.

jgunzz23 February 5, 2009 at 1:45 pm

stepped up and handled his business on a busted knee!

jgunzz23 February 5, 2009 at 1:43 pm

“came into his own”
that man is a beast, he is probably the best pitcher in the league right now.

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:43 pm

He just came into his own as an ace? Where were you the last 5 years?

jgunzz23 February 5, 2009 at 1:44 pm

thanks Wanny!

Mr North Jersey February 5, 2009 at 2:07 pm

Silly, For the Mets Santana in April May June was not the Santana you saw Iin September.

Your entitled to your opinion but I didn’t see the Ace we payed for till the point I mentioned earlier.

udontmesswiththejohan February 5, 2009 at 2:33 pm

Oh Lord.

wladair February 5, 2009 at 1:36 pm

I do agree, a left hand reliever would help enormously. A right hand power bat would also be great, to help David Wright, he is the only one who pretty consistently can hit left handed pitching. He does need to be rested on occasion, because his game does suffer when he is fatigued past a certain extent. Platoon of Murphy and Tatis should play out very well, time will tell.

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 1:44 pm

Shh, we hit LHP better than we did RHP last year.

wladair February 5, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Yes, that’s true, but we do need right hand bats, that’s a fact.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 2:11 pm

thats in large part to Beltrans improvement agaisnt lefties =]

wladair February 5, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Absolutely true, we do have several switch hitters but most seem better from left side than right side. Wright is the only natural right hand bat in the lineup, he mainly needs to work on not being pull happy and aim for the gaps, not try to jack every pitch over the wall, he gets too anxious.

TugTheMan February 5, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Out left field, not related to the topic at hand, but I need to ask before buying. Has anyone tried the new GM game (MLB Front Office Manager) ? And does anyone have an opinion on which is the best GM game out there?? Once again sorry for the off topic question.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:42 pm

Out Of The Park Baseball is the best GM game there is.

im addicted.

dominicanboy08 February 5, 2009 at 1:44 pm

I think we have a better team than must of us think, look at this:

we have the best pitcher in the game.
we have the 2nd best 3B.
we have the best SS.
we have the best CF in the game.
we have one of the best young pitchers in pelfrey.
we have the best set-up guy.
we have one of the best closers in the game.
we have one of the most consistent 1B throughout his carrer.

dont get me wrong this team has flaws, but so is every team.we are one of the best teams in MLB.

fans want to see new faces, but if our bullpen was just decent last year, we would have won the division.

Les Go Mets!!!!

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 1:46 pm

&& we have a more athletic, healthier bench that plays very good defense.

&& all around more depth.

we’re gonna be good! =]]

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 5, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Great post, I agree with it all, especially the analysis of the pitchers (I LOVE JJ)….and if I am not mistaken you are a pitcher dominicanboy, so your opinions are even MORE valuable!

TugTheMan February 5, 2009 at 1:47 pm

“According to MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy and T.R. Sullivan, Ben Sheets has a torn flexor tendon in his elbow that might require surgery. There is some debate as to whether the Brewers would have to pay for the procedure. The Rangers and Sheets agreed to a two-year deal last week, but the injury news threw a wrench into it. GM Jon Daniels says he’s not optimistic at this point.”

So much for Sheets!!!

reillys5 February 5, 2009 at 1:49 pm

sheets to have elbow surgery WHATTTTTTTTTT

reillys5 February 5, 2009 at 1:50 pm

add him to the great not-signing list of omar

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:03 pm

And this is exactly why Omar had to up his offer to Perez. At that point what was Omar’s leverage? The Wolfman?

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:52 pm

I’m not too shy to say I told you so.

Wanny Backstra February 5, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Oleosmurf wants to know if he could save a million by only offering Sheets 1 year and $4m to rehab on the Mets dime this season.

TheBigTicket February 5, 2009 at 1:56 pm

Is Luis Ayala still a met? Just curious. Had shown some signs of life

therealsince86 February 5, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Nope and no room for him either.

wladair February 5, 2009 at 2:16 pm

He did show some signs of life but no need for his services any longer, can’t wait to see Putz and K-Rod work their late inning magic.

DarrylSaysNoDoubtAboutIt February 5, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Why does Marlon have to be on the roster. That guy is rubish. It’s time the Mets start fielding the best team possible instead of giving out roster spots based on sympathy.

At this point Angel Pagan is 10 times the player Marlon is and possibly may be the best option for the starting left field job.

0h the ag0ny February 5, 2009 at 3:58 pm

umm no. murphy is the LF. period.

better hitter, better approach, better eye

mistermet February 5, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Get Marlon Anderson off the team- he is garbage.

And God Forbid Freddie Coupons anties up 2 million dollars for a very good lefty reliever like Will Ohman- would solidify the bullpen immensely. Enough “bottom feeding” for minor league garbage, especially if we aren’t signing any other big player- the least they could do is “splurge” for another good reliever here, I mean is that asking too much, chr*st.

Sylar February 5, 2009 at 3:47 pm

??

Omar Minaya contacted his agent for the first time this week, where was it said that they think he’s too much?

chew13 February 5, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Not that I want him back; but what about Matt Wise? Isn’t he still on the team?

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