Comments on: Read: Chemistry and Purpose http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Wanny Backstra http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463096 Wanny Backstra Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:41:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463096 Is it just a coincidence that his winning occurred when he was also more productive with the bat? Pedro Martinez was a winning player too. How did that work out last season? should the Mets sign Jose Vizcaino, who was a "winning player?" You can't be a winning player when you're washed up and have no production value. Is it just a coincidence that his winning occurred when he was also more productive with the bat?

Pedro Martinez was a winning player too. How did that work out last season?

should the Mets sign Jose Vizcaino, who was a “winning player?”

You can’t be a winning player when you’re washed up and have no production value.

]]> By: Wanny Backstra http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463085 Wanny Backstra Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:38:46 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463085 I see. The old unquantifiable "winning player." What does that even mean? Are there not Fact of the matter is that if I-Rod was ever a winning player it was in the past. In Florida, when he was a "winning player" he hit .297 .369 .474. In 2006, he hit much less at .300 .332 .437 which is still much better than his .276 .319 .394 of last season. And I'm not sure he deserves a heck of a lot of credit for that team reaching the postseason anyway -- with the strong pitching they had and other good offensive players. He's not going to hit .297 .369 .474 again, That's for sure. And I'm not sure what makes you think his "winningness" can be replicated in NY. Where was it in texas? Where was the winningness when he flopped with the Yankees last season -- after Detroit GAVE HIM AWAY? I see.

The old unquantifiable “winning player.” What does that even mean? Are there not

Fact of the matter is that if I-Rod was ever a winning player it was in the past.

In Florida, when he was a “winning player” he hit .297 .369 .474. In 2006, he hit much less at .300 .332 .437 which is still much better than his .276 .319 .394 of last season. And I’m not sure he deserves a heck of a lot of credit for that team reaching the postseason anyway — with the strong pitching they had and other good offensive players.

He’s not going to hit .297 .369 .474 again, That’s for sure.

And I’m not sure what makes you think his “winningness” can be replicated in NY. Where was it in texas? Where was the winningness when he flopped with the Yankees last season — after Detroit GAVE HIM AWAY?

]]> By: GravediggerHebner http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463033 GravediggerHebner Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:20:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463033 Good thing for baseball the Yankees are the only ones who do. The Tigers are the only other team to ever do it, they did it once, and they won 74 games to finish in last place. Good thing for baseball the Yankees are the only ones who do.

The Tigers are the only other team to ever do it, they did it once, and they won 74 games to finish in last place.

]]> By: fongulalou http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463002 fongulalou Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:10:41 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-463002 Good thing for yankees fans,they're ownership doesnt feel that way. Good thing for yankees fans,they’re ownership doesnt feel that way.

]]> By: Wanny Backstra http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462985 Wanny Backstra Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:06:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462985 Then I guess that settles it. You can't beat a decision made on sound reasoning. Then I guess that settles it. You can’t beat a decision made on sound reasoning.

]]> By: GravediggerHebner http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462967 GravediggerHebner Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:00:38 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462967 No, I'm not saying that at all, but thanks for completely misunderstanding me. I'll try again. I'm saying that, as one of thirty ownerships, the Mets ownership believe in and support the philosophy of competitive balance. How that became losing and cocktail parties is all on you. No, I’m not saying that at all, but thanks for completely misunderstanding me.

I’ll try again. I’m saying that, as one of thirty ownerships, the Mets ownership believe in and support the philosophy of competitive balance. How that became losing and cocktail parties is all on you.

]]> By: metsfanmurph http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462953 metsfanmurph Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:54:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462953 So basically you are saying the Wilpons would rather be able to go to cocktail parties with the other owners than actually win. So basically you are saying the Wilpons would rather be able to go to cocktail parties with the other owners than actually win.

]]> By: Wanny Backstra http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462941 Wanny Backstra Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:47:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462941 Where has Rodriquez's upside been since his first year in Detroit? 37 year old catchers don't have upsides. They have downsides. Your point about the batting average makes no sense at all. So he puts the ball into play a few more times. What good is that if it doesn't result in him getting on base? Contact skills are wasted if he's swinging at ball 4 (he actually doesn't even see 4 pitches per at bat). The best thing an 8th place hitter can do is to get on base and clear the pitcher's spot. We don't need a freeswinging 8th place hitter (remember Rey Ordonez) hitting into to doubleplays or not getting on base at all so that the pitcher can lead off the next inning. I don't see any benefit to a player with a higher BA than OBP unless that player is a bigtime power hitter capable of extra base hits at the risk of not getting on base at all. If you're going to hit a whopping 7 home runs, you may as well be a little more patient at the plate. His 2007 .295 OBP is pathetic. Where has Rodriquez’s upside been since his first year in Detroit? 37 year old catchers don’t have upsides. They have downsides.

Your point about the batting average makes no sense at all. So he puts the ball into play a few more times. What good is that if it doesn’t result in him getting on base? Contact skills are wasted if he’s swinging at ball 4 (he actually doesn’t even see 4 pitches per at bat).

The best thing an 8th place hitter can do is to get on base and clear the pitcher’s spot. We don’t need a freeswinging 8th place hitter (remember Rey Ordonez) hitting into to doubleplays or not getting on base at all so that the pitcher can lead off the next inning.

I don’t see any benefit to a player with a higher BA than OBP unless that player is a bigtime power hitter capable of extra base hits at the risk of not getting on base at all. If you’re going to hit a whopping 7 home runs, you may as well be a little more patient at the plate.

His 2007 .295 OBP is pathetic.

]]> By: GravediggerHebner http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462917 GravediggerHebner Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:38:05 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462917 In my opinion, the whole Manny thing, bottom line, doesn't come down to his fielding, his character or attitude, vs. his tremendous offense. It comes down to the ownership of the team's fundamental belief in the "competitive balance tax" which is the actual name of the luxury tax. Like amateur draft pick slotting, the competitive balance tax is simply a philosophy which Met ownership supports, and they are not going to alter their philosophy for Manny Ramirez, or Albert Pujols, or any player that would singlehandedly put them over the tax. Now you can hate that philosophy, you have every right to. But it's a clear, well established pattern under this ownership and unless/until they go away, you should probably get used to it. In my opinion, the whole Manny thing, bottom line, doesn’t come down to his fielding, his character or attitude, vs. his tremendous offense.

It comes down to the ownership of the team’s fundamental belief in the “competitive balance tax” which is the actual name of the luxury tax. Like amateur draft pick slotting, the competitive balance tax is simply a philosophy which Met ownership supports, and they are not going to alter their philosophy for Manny Ramirez, or Albert Pujols, or any player that would singlehandedly put them over the tax.

Now you can hate that philosophy, you have every right to. But it’s a clear, well established pattern under this ownership and unless/until they go away, you should probably get used to it.

]]> By: Wanny Backstra http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462909 Wanny Backstra Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:34:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/02/13/read-chemistry-and-purpose/#comment-462909 Point proven. You'd rather be an ignorant blowhard. Because you're too lazy to Google or inform your self, see the following: Career avg/obp/slg in: RISP Close and Late High leverage Wright 300/394/501 307/407/483 315/397/531 Delgado 291/413/557 258/373/508 299/388/564 Beltran 306/385/535 265/355/453 284/359/508 Do those look like numbers of players who can't hit in the "clutch?" If they already score as many runs as anyone else in a season, how many more do you reasonably expect them to score? If they already score the most runs and still don't win, isn't it obvious to you that hitting is not the problem? Did you notice that during the stretch last season that Brandon Knight, Jonathan Niese, Luis Ayala, Bobby Parnell and a broken down Pedro Martinez were pitching critical innings? How many runs do they need to score before you realize that run prevention has a say in the equation? Point proven. You’d rather be an ignorant blowhard.

Because you’re too lazy to Google or inform your self, see the following:

Career avg/obp/slg in:
RISP
Close and Late
High leverage

Wright
300/394/501
307/407/483
315/397/531

Delgado
291/413/557
258/373/508
299/388/564

Beltran
306/385/535
265/355/453
284/359/508

Do those look like numbers of players who can’t hit in the “clutch?”

If they already score as many runs as anyone else in a season, how many more do you reasonably expect them to score?

If they already score the most runs and still don’t win, isn’t it obvious to you that hitting is not the problem?

Did you notice that during the stretch last season that Brandon Knight, Jonathan Niese, Luis Ayala, Bobby Parnell and a broken down Pedro Martinez were pitching critical innings?

How many runs do they need to score before you realize that run prevention has a say in the equation?

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