Update, 12:35 pm:
The Mets have issued an offical statement announcing Hernandez signed a minor-league deal, just as Manuel said.
Original Post:
The Mets have signed free-agent RHP Livan Hernandez to a minor-league deal, according to Jerry Manuel, while speaking to reporters earlier today from Tradition Field in St. Lucie.
According to the Daily News, Hernandez could earn $1 million if he is added to the roster.
Manuel also said he will consider batting Luis Castillo lead-off at times in an effort to get him going.
Manuel also envisions using both Fernando Tatis and Daniel Murphy as a platoon in left field, ad expected.
Lastly, Manuel says he will speak to his team about the collapse, but not until later in camp, when the team is back from the WBC and begining to form its Opening Day roster, during which he plans to emphasis the idea of team over the individual player.
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Absolutely zero expectations.
take away krod and putz: this off season is a complete OLD joke. omar needs to re-sisgn el puque and alou to complete the disaster.
if you take away any team’s two biggest signings – then their offseason would be a joke
You could say the same thing about any other team….
Oh, and don’t watch if you aren’t expecting anything.
I was making reference to the signing of Livan Hernandez, saying I have no expectations from him as a player.
I don’t want to be mean, but this may be the stupidest comment I’ve ever read on here.
How many impact acquisitions do you want per offseason? Six? Eight? 20? You’re aware its a 25-man roster right? and that we had an ace, and 4 all-star caliber starters coming in, right?
How’s the Yankee offseason looking if you take away their top 2 acquisitions? Serious?
I think Livan is just Omar doing the guy a solid – letting him get some innings to audition for another team. Unless osmeone is hurt, or he agrees to go to Buffalo, we won’t see him.
Besides, the guy has been rumored to be a Met for 12 years…I think they just wanted to get it out of the way and give him a uniform.
LOL! I guess all there is to do when you post your idiotic, anti-reality, anti-brain-having nonsense is to laugh at you…
I saw your post at Yankeeblog–without the CC, Tex, and Burnett signings, the Yankee offseason was a joke….
SIGN MANNY!!
I like this signing. The question is, what happens if he doesn’t make the rotation? I’d love to have him waiting in AAA if thats possible. Huge upgrade over bums like Jose Lima….
Did you call up the fan yesterday, and upon deliberation decide that Fernando Tatis should get the nod over Cleon Jones? After of course endorsing Felix Milan over Luis Castillo at Second….Jose Lima hasn’t been in the Mets organization for a while now….
Ok, how about I list all the other losers that we had starting for us because of our horrible depth:
Brandon Knight
Tony Armas
Claudio Vargas
Nelson Figs
Brian Stokes
Dave Williams
Chan Ho Park
Brian Lawrence
Geremi Gonzalez
Victor Zambrano
Jose Lima (2006….not that long ago you POS)
Alay Soler
Well, Uhhhhh, if you talk in the present tense, one’s likely to glean that you imagined that Lima was still on the team….
Dear POS,
I deeply regret any confusion that I could have caused by speaking of Jose Lima pitching for the Mets in the present tense. I hope I didn’t ruin your day. Please go on and post a-hole comments in response to other positive posts. I’m sure its people like you that boo(ed) at Shea (past tense).
Enjoy your Valentines day you debbie downer,
Someone much happier with their life than you.
FYI to Cerrone,
Its comments like that that prevent positive posters like me from being active in the comments section — thus dumbing down the site (or at least the comments section — you do a great job).
Mimimi mimamami….
minor league deal. he has to report to the AAA
he wont make the team, hes just meant to be depth.
If u look up Old and Washed up veterans the Hernandez brothers pictures are the first ones u see!
livan is not that old.
David Lennon said that Hernandez is “supposedly only going to turn 34 next month.” I’m not sure that anyone really believes that.
washed up but not old
Yea right, 34 my behind! according to what Doctored Birth Certificate! lol Who cares if he pitches 250 innings if he has ab ERA over 6!!!!!! hello Omar What ru doing!
depth. man. depth
Omar is really building a powerhouse pitching staff. If somehow he can hang onto these extra guys (hopefully Livan goes to minors for a month in case of injury) we have quite the depth, with a bullpen like we’ve never seen before. I think Putz transforms this team into a real winner.
I just hope Manual lets Big Pelf know he is 100% safe, not to consider these extra starters as competition, because it’s usually the first spring training as a starter that young pitchers really grow, because they can maybe learn a new pitch, or master one they were uncomfortable with in the past, without fear of losing their job.
And yes, *I* understand that Big Pelf is safe, I just want Manual and/or Omar to tell him that, so *he* knows.
werent we on the verge of signing will ohman?! what happened to that?
He was supposed to sign by Wednesday or Thursday, and supposedly he didn’t receive an offer from the Phils or Mets…
Considering the quotes from his agent, and the fact he hasn’t signed yet…. I call BS on those reports about the Mets not even making an offer…
the mets have no money for gauranteed contracts…
Last I heard it was miss reported that the Mets had actually made him an offer.
Dear Chem
Maybe you miss remember.
V/R
Roger Clemens
Yup another mid-30’s+ latino but I really like this signing. As a matter of fact I’d rather have Livan Hernandez than Freddy Garcia at the #5 spot..if he makes the team of course.
“I Love You Miami!”
if Livan pitches like he did in every year except 2008 then thats fantastic for a #5 starter…
He hasn’t had an ERA under 5.9 since ‘06! He redefines washed up!
you sure about that he had a 4.93 ERA in 2007 and pitched 200+ IP
thats exactly what u want from a #5 SP
my bad, I miss typed,I meant 4.9! What good is having a pitcher pitch 204 innings if you are down 3 or more runs when he exits?
as a spot starter, if he gives you 6-7ip && gives up 4 runs, your happy because he didnt tax the bullpen && the team is probably still in it at that point.
DEPTH my friend
Agony, I get the depth thing man I really do, and I think Omar has done a good job obtaining depth, but my god how much do we need???? Redding, Garcia, Niece, Parnell, another wash-up Elmer Dessens, Stokes, Eddie Kuns…….and the list goes on and on! There is a difference between depth and overkill!
too much is not a bad thing loll
chemtek
yes there is a difference between depth and overkill. Perhaps Omar has in mind the fact that the ‘08 Mets used 11 starting pitchers, not to mention 12 left fielders.
so that means that the mets will score 1 run per game?
if Livan goes 7+ IP 4 R, then the Mets will most of his starts.
win most of his starts
im with you OLEO
need I remind you of our colossal ineptness in scoring runs after the 7th inning?????? I’m not trying to be a pessimist here, I’m being a realist!
so our starters cant give up any runs at all over 7 ininnings?
3 runs or less sure, no problem, 4 once in awhile fine, but the man had an ERA of 6.05!! I dare say thats more than 3 or 4 runs a game over 180 innings!
I <3 Jerry
except that i think Murphy should be given the chance to win the job outright, which im sure is still in the cards && i understand that he cant just come out && say Murph yis the fulltime LF
if Murphy is hitting the ball like did in August and early September then yes he’ll play almost every day but if he’s hitting like he did in late september then he might not even make the team
i think we kinda know for sure he’ll be on the team…but i get what your saying
if he starts out really bad he’ll lose more && more opportunitys to TATIS
if Murphy really struggles then he’s going to AAA at least until he gets back on a hot streak.
i dont expect that to happen…
oleo loll i know your like me && wishing this kid the best
for us Met fans there is nothing better than watching a farmhand blossom
but your right, its a wait && see
Agreed! Did any guy we ever bring up
look better than Greg Jefferies?
How’d that work out?
I’ll take “horribly” for $1,000 Mr. Trebek.
Murphy will be just fine, I think he should have LF all to himself, but that’s just me. I like Tatis too, but u gotta love Murhy’s bat and plate dicipline
im with you, i just dont think itd be healthy to just give the job to the kid, let him win it on his own, Jerry made the right move saying what he said
i<3dmurph
I agree Agony, let him earn it. That said I don’t think Murphy will have any trouble doing so.
i compared his swing && approach to nick johnsons! && its crazy how similar they are!!!
Another Omar contribution to the WULPRF!
He’s a slick guy this Omar!
If Daddy Wilpon won’t let him give 50Million
to Manny, He’ll keep on throwin’ a few hundred thou here a Mil there to Washed Up
Latino Players for Their Retirements.
Nice!
I can’t argue with you there fongul!
Cuidado! Don’t agree w/me too much!
According to some(mostly those w/no sense
of humor) I’m a 9 y/o who knows nothing
about baseball.
lol, hey the only knock i ever said on you was that u needed a support group to deal with the non-signing of Manny! lol
I like you a lot fongul, but you do realize that you are drawing a following of severe numbskulls on here….
I’d rather have Pedro as insurance. I think Pedro will win 12 games for someone this year. I hope its not the Braves, Phils or Marlins!
Agreed! But more likely we’ll next see
the signing of Rabbi Alou.
Man if Omar were to resign Alou I would have to call for his head! Hernandez is bad enough!
Well he is the Capt of the DR team in the WBC.You dont think if they win it and he
gets a few ABs theres no chance?
position players haven’t even fully reported to ST and Alou is probably already rehabbing something!!! lol
ship has sailed..
Meaning what my friend?
It’s a done deal?
i dont think they want pedro, i really dont
if they did he’d be signed already no?
Oh, thought you were talkin’ ’bout Alou.
Yeah, Pedro ends up a Nat.
lmao ALOU is going to retire, i think he has too much pride to take a minor league deal
I’m done with Pedro. Done with his excuses and his fragile and overpriced body and ego. I love the guy, don’t get me wrong. He is definitely a hall of famer but he’s done.
hes not done. yet. but i just dont want him on this team because hes going to get by with his name alone && thats not what we need right now.
This is getting ridiculous. Is Omar going to sign all his retired cousins next, just in case? In the meantime they can have a siesta.
Murphy should start, not platoon with a washed up fossil.
Minaya stinks.
Washed up fossil? Did Fernando Tatis show you any signs of slowing down? All he did was show the most heart and pas-sion during the time he played. Oh my sorry, he got hurt…DIVING FOR A BALL !!!!
LOL! Thank you reilly5!!
Man, I thought I would take a quick look on here this morning, and it is like the prison for fools with no baseball knowledge opened their gates, and everyone came here.
reilly, please keep it up, we need you and your kind more than ever.
How can anyone not be willing to give a Murph/Tatis the benefit of the doubt after what we saw last year??
What I saw last year was a desperate attempt of an old ballplayer trying to resurrect his career, then get injured as old ballplayers are apt to do.
A World Series team with Tatis in Left and Castillo at 2nd?
Please, that is just a freaking joke.
The Mets need youth, hustle, and health. You don’t get that by trodding out overaged players like Tatis, Alou, etc.
The Mets are turning into a bad joke.
desperate attempt???
Yeah, you are right, we have no youth, hustle and health.
Johan, Pelf, Wright, Reyes, Beltran, JJ, Krod–no youth, hustle and health there. And Maine, Ollie, Murphy, and Niese and FMart and more coming up.
Pssst—you cannot have a young stud at every position–NO ONE has that. No one.
Your posts are a bad joke, as are the posts of the folks with similar arguments.
Exactly Kingman. I’m just glad I found this site. I had to deal with the two collapses alone, with Yankee fans all around me. Terrible experiences !
Errr, did all of you miss the Jerry may hit
Luis Aches&Pains leadoff at times quote?
What the hecks the point of that?
I did miss it, lol nice catch! It’ll be funny watching Reyes lap Castillo on his way home! lol
Or wasting add’l ABs.
lol… yeah, but slappy will need to get on base first.
It makes the bottom half of the lineup better while detracting from the top half. I’d like to see it for 3 or 4 games in spring training before I completely pan it.
I see the very concept as a way to light a fire under Castillo.
i hope steve333 burns in hell
Thats rough! especially since hes only
half-evil.
Gee, thanks!
Washed up fossil? Did Fernando Tatis show you any signs of slowing down? All he did was show the most heart and pas-sion during the time he played. Oh my sorry, he got hurt…DIVING FOR A BALL !!
Tatis is a perfect role player in that hes gonna bust his butt everyday!
Then get injured.
He’s old! Enough with the old farts already
so manuel is considering batting reyes 3th in the lineup.
castillo
murphy
reyes
wright
delgado
beltran
church
schneider
could this work? reyes will certainly have more RBI. manuel is thinking outaide the box.
pretty sure Reyes would hit second…
I agree, you gotta swap out Murphy and Reyes in that line up, but if Castillo could get somewhere near old form that line-up would be killer, produce alot of runs!
Per Ed Coleman on the fan, the concept is indeed Reyes batting 3rd.
Reyes batting 3rd huh, who gonna strap the rocket to Murphy’s back when Jose hit his signature triple??
supposedly Murphys been ripping his teammates in sprints
so, the point is to NOT give our 4 best hitters
The 2 Carlos’,Reyes&Wright the maximum
# of ABs? And this makes sense how??
Wright will neevr bat anywhere but 3rd.
he batted 5th in 06 and then cleanup when manuel changed the lineup at the end of lastyear
Wow. On paper that is intriguing. But our strength last year was scoring in the 1st inning. Our greatest strength becomes a weakness. Unless Castillo comes back to old form and Murphy is hitting, then it could be quite dynamic.
yes, castillo have to get on base or this lineup wont work. reyes with 90-100 RBI will be nice.
Reyes will never hit 3rd in this lineup.
MAYBE 2nd MAYBE
even though we are better off with him leading off && murphy hitting second.
we are better off with jose leading off, but I think it’s a mistake pushing Castillo out of #2 because while he can get on base(allegedly) he’s a slap hitter at best, singles mostly, doubles occasionally. Then we have to depend on Schneider and the pitcher to drive him in, and that’s clearly not a recipe for success. Atleast with Murphy/ Tatis at 7th you have a better shot at hitting a double or a HR so we wouldn’t have to rely on 8 and 9 so much too drive them in.
lineup should be
reyes
castillo
wright
delgado
beltran
church
murphy/tatis
schneider
&& maybe occasionally switch reyes && castillo
Pls. someone tell Jerry to Stop!
If this was Bobby V, He’d be accused
of tryin’ to “re-invent the Game”.
Jose is the best leadoff man in the game
and you want you’re best 3or4 hitters to
hit 1through4 because they’ll get the
most ABs.
like I said, this lineup will only work if castillo gets on base and muphy is hitting. our lineup wont be that weak at the botton and reyes will drive in a lot of runs.
You notice how Omar is willing to throw a couple of million around here and there for all this crappy so-called depth. But, if he was smart about it, he could have signed Ohlman and Abreu and came out even. Idiot. The first Affirmative Action GM who has GED for a diploma…leave it to the politically correct Wilpon shills who named their veranda after a non-Met instead of the great Gil Hodges.
Too far man, too far.
IT’S A MINOR LEAGUE DEAL YOU STUPID F–K.
Also, I’m positive Omar’s IQ and baseball knowledge far outweighs yours….racist twit
Wow!, Why all the hate??
It’s just incredibly annoying to see Omar get murdered for doing something every other GM in baseball does…
It infuriates me further when tools like this insist he’s only a GM because he’s Latin… The man wouldn’t be in baseball if he wasn’t knowledgable about it.
I would ask that question of wrightistoopc, but I think you and I pretty well established our positions yesterday on the washed up players and their nationalities issue.
Why all the hate?
Because the couple of dozen us of us who used to love the wit, perspectives, and humor here are disgusted by the racism and absolute IDIOCY which has overtaken this site.
NOT targeting you fongul, but come on– every day, the same drivel!
mistermet, alex, fiya, and more and more, with the SAME anti-fact, unrealistic, and often racist idiocy.
Wright is NOT a choker, the Mets are NOT all-Latin, Omar is NOT an idiot, the Wilpons are NOT cheap, we DO need pitching depth, these signings have NOTING to do with affording MANNYMANNYCOUPONS, etc etc etc.
These fools need to be called what they are. Sylar was being NICE.
You know i never liked all the Omar/Latin remarks people made BUT you have to wonder why he gave a contract to Garcia who can make upto 8 million and has been fighting an injury the last 2 years. When he could of signed Garland for that much. Not to mention Brad Penny or Smoltz. It makes you go hmmmm.
Maybe its not a latin thing but a loyalty to some of the players he’s worked with before, because that is a reason he Schneider was brought over.
Concise and well stated rebuttal Mr. Fongulalou. There’s some serious rage going on out there today. Alot of fans getting this fired up over a minor league deal that adds organizational depth to pitching on the second day of spring training, I can’t wait to see what the season’s gonna bring.
As for Matts post, I just find it interesting that Jerry’s trying to find away to get Castillo fired up before he even reports to ST. What’s up with that?
You call it depth. I call it dumb…and I could care less what you call me as well.
Better to be blindly stupid than to admit you’re wrong, I suppose
wrightistoopc, by your name and your comments, you are most likely a blind racist along with being ignorant of how baseball and baseball contracts work.
Wow, my title name is too ‘un-pc’ for you…how ironic! Trying to censor me only after three hours.
I’ve been a baseball fan for 40 years so I have seen the marketing, sportmanship, and ethical nature of this game generally decline. Just maybe, based on experience, it is not I who is the blind one.
I didn’t say your name was too un-pc….not even close. Your comments are nonsense. Incredible you could watch for 40 years and know so little. Omar didn’t throw virtually anything at Livan or The Chief or Dessens or Valentin, etc. They only get the “millions” if they make the team, and hence, are doing well and contributing.
But I am guessing that you liked the complexion of the game a lot more 40 years ago.
And yeah, Jackie Robinson is a really rotten choice to name something after.
Not too hard to figure out where you are coming from.
omg you are retarded. you idiot. these players have to actually MAKE the team to get paid. && the chances of that are nill
ITS CALLED DEPTH you moronic idiot
Prepare to get ripped for what you originally posted, but you are spot on.
Omar is mediocrity defined.
The Mets will never be a top tier team until they get a top tier GM.
Prepare for more lost seasons.
Is the Jerry press conference going to be put up? I would like to see it. That would be awful ‘gangsta’ of you Matt.
Jerry didnt say much.. just saying
Hey, dude – are you down there? If so, can you share any tidbits you heard? Or did he truly have nothing else to say? Just curious….
i live in florida, 11 miles from port st. lucie
&& im planning to go down this week
but from everything ive read everything matt wrote is pretty much all jerry said loll
Thanks. And lucky you….
well, my dad is going to NY to watch opening day at citi WITH….my brother…. its his turn this year =’[!
opening day in the regular season or Apr8th with the first game (exhebition) vs Redsox
El Puque must have told Livan about the excellent benefits package that Omar gives away. Livan will see the major league roster at some point this season… book it.
its not foreign for a teams 7th or 8th starter to have a spot start or two
Right, so I imagine as soon as Livan does, he’ll earn a substantial amount of Wilpon cash.
1 mill? IF he makes the team? thats alot? for a guy thatll probably give you 6-7ip 3-4 runs as a spot starter who wont burn out a bullpen
Livan is an absolute awesome signing. The signed him to a minor league deal so he has to earn a spot in the rotation. He will only earn $1 million if he makes the team and if not they can send him back down. If he does make the team he’s not a top of the rotation guy anymore but he is a guy that can pitch in the 3’s ERA and eat a lot of innings. That’s perfect for the back of the rotation or someone to stick in the minors and call up if we get any injuries. Plus adding him gives us a lot of flexibility for trade bait during the season when everyone is looking for SP and we have a few good SP’s that we’re not even using.
Santana, Pelfery, Maine and Perez are a lock for the rotation.
Garcia, Redding, Neise and Livan can compete for the 5th spot. Garcia used to be pretty dirty and a guy that a lot of Mets fans wanted when the rumors started a few years ago with trade talks. Redding one 10 games last year with a hurt foot and the worst offense in the league. Neise looks like he is going to be pretty solid. I don’t see him as a 1 or a 2 but I do see him being a solid 3 once he is MLB ready. And Livan used to be pretty good and in is better than what a lot of teams are using as their 3 or 4 guys so if he makes it as our 5 guy thats pretty good.
Santana
Pelfery
Maine
Pelfery
Garcia, Redding, Livan and Neise
our rotation will be solid, if not for the main fact that our BP will relieve alot of the pressure.
THANK YOU!
Pitch in the 3s?
That lard butt is lucky to pitch under the 6s.
Have you seen his record?
I may be mis-remembering, but the way I thought Eddie C and Evan said the lineup experiment would go is:
Castillo
Beltran
Reyes
Delgado
Wright
Church
Murphy/Tatis
Schneider
its pure speculation on Eddie C’s part
because wright will never bat anywhere but 3rd
It is somewhat speculation, yes. The way I understood it the only things Jerry had “thrown out there” to Eddie was 1) Reyes 2) Beltran 3) Reyes, Eddie and Evan speculated on the balance of it.
I don’t hate it. I don’t like the best hitter on the team (Wright) not batting 3rd, but I’m intrigued by the much, much better balance of the lineup (and I don’t mean lefty/righty balance, I mean good hitter/poor hitter balance. This way, every 3rd inning is not an automatic 1,2,3 for the opponent.
problem is REYES creates runs on his own. if his job is to drive them in, we LOSE MORE than we gain in my opinion.
Fair point ag0ny, but part of the discussion was Jerry Manuel’s attempt not only to light a fire under Castillo, but also to accelerate Reyes’ maturation process. The theory is to increase his responsibilities, and the methods mentioned were A). batting him 3rd; B). he will be calling the infield defensive signals.
ugh, i guess thats why we love baseball, theres os much into every little detail
Grave, I agrre I don’t hate it but it doesn’t makes sense to put delgado before Wright. The balance is better, but if Castillo doesn’t get on, then Beltran efectively becomes the lead-off man …..not exactly his strong suit.
I agree. To me the 2 issues are Wright is not batting 3rd, and Castillo is leading off. Basically Castillo has to regain roughly 90% of his pre-Met form. If he does, I think everything else falls into place nicely.
In my opinion Jerry is just trying to motivate Castillo and give Reyes more responsibility. Jerry doesn’t really even ever have to enact this stuff, just be talking about it it puts the bug in Castillo and Reyes’ ears, the rest is up to them.
Can opinions be expressed here without name calling, insults and profanity?
Batting Castillo leadoff makes no sense.
Livan Hernandez is a wate of time.
I think it becomes difficult when people say things like “Livan Hernandez is a wate of time.” when Livan was signed to a MLC.
Can you make a rational case for why signing Livan is a “wate of time”…guessing you mean “waste”??
Why is it a “waste”??
It is a virtually cost-free deal, for a guy who has proved he can pitch decently, and a LOT of innings, and who, to me, seems to be an excellent low-cost move as insurance, especially considering the last few years’ injuries, and especially considering that a guy like Livan could probably do well on a high-scoring team with a potentially great bullpen.
Can you refute that intelligently, or is it just fun being able to post that it is a “wate of time” and you don’t want anyone refuting this brilliance??
‘Can opinions be expressed here without name calling, insults and profanity?’
For most, yes. There’s a half dozen or so that revel in name calling, insulting drivel. And they know who they are….
MetsFan4, you are among the very last people on here I would ever want to offend, but I stop by for a quick glance before heading out, and I cannot believe the nonsense.
The racism especially galls me, as not only is it untrue that all we have is Latinos, but EVERY team has loads of Latin players today. And how can anyone call the offseason a failure getting KRod and JJ? And how can people criticize Omar’s GREAT job in accruing piching depth?
Sorry if I am being harsh, and I know the battle against the mistermets, fiyas, alxes, etc is a non-winnable one, but it really galls me to see what this board has become.
I know I need to try and brush it off like you and grave and the true grownups on here do. Sorry if my responses are too harsh.
I wasn’t including you in those ‘half a dozen or so’ posters. Anyone can see you come here to debate and not criticize. You’re one of the optimists – just like me -lol!
I don’t like to get on anyone but the last post put up this morning – had one poster who really is getting on my nerves. Never discusses baseball, never has an independent thought – ALWAYS takes a couple of comments and throws out insulting drivel to those folks. He just went over the top this morning. I think that dude could use some anger manage-ment therapy…..
On to more important things like I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL THE GAMES BEGIN !!!!
Just to ask… is this referring to me?
Thanks MetsFan4, I appreciate that. And I certainly am proud to be included with you in the optimists!
I just have to try harder to ignore the nonsense, but when the racism is brought in, it is VERY hard for me to ignore. I really, really hate that, and I guess I think racism always has to be opposed, even in the sometimes childish manner in which I do it.
Thanks again MetsFan4, and thanks for being here.
Sylar: Can’t post below your question, but absolutely not you. So for he’s not shown on this post, he’s on the last one and several yesterday. I’ve refrained from commenting back at him but I don’t if I’m gonna be able to help myself much longer – lol. He truly is one insulting, unintelligent person. The only reason I’ve ignored him is I truly think he’s a kid who obviously is on the immature side….
Brock- You are delusional. When have I ever made a ‘racist’ post? Lumping me into that category is insulting. Lay off the koolaid for a a few weeks and you might clear your mind. Jeez.
Its funny that folks who throw around the ‘racist’ canard think they are above the fray.
Omar makes many questionable moves and its a valid topic, especially when after he was hired he pretty much explicitly said he was going to seek out latin players. If a White GM said he was going to seek out white players you can imagine the reaction.
Anyway, hopefully the Thought Police around here won’t detract those with opposing viewpoints from posting.
Fiya—I DID NOT say you made racist posts. Nor did I suggest alex does. I just think almost every post you make is the same exact negativity. Always. Every post. Why follow the team if it just makes you negative and angry? I apologize if you thought I called you racist, but i didn’t. Just ceaselessly negative and repetitive. I am sick of reading and seeing it. Stop posting the same negative drivel and think of something constructive to say. Or funny. Or new. Then you would be crtiticized less, and not used as a bad example around here. And I hate kool aid.
As for you Steve, you are just a chilish fool. Omar never said he was going after Latinos, as this latest idicoy of yours suggests. You want to think that, of course.
JJ, Reed, Green, Redding—all white guys, no?
Opposing Livan on his numbers is sensible, but the Latino nonsense IS nonsense.
I’ll elaborate. I prefer that our minor leagues be primarily used to develop our players for the major leagues. If Livan doesn’t make the team but stays in AAA, that is one less spot for one of our pitchers to face AAA / AAAA bats.
Sure you need a few older veterans laying around for depth, but an entire team of AAAA talent does not help develop our kids.
OK, but nowadays, most top prospects spend most of their time at AA….many, many teams have guys like Tatis and Livan at AAA as active, ready-to-go depth. Which we sure have needed the last two years.
But thank you for at least not being one who only is against it because Livan is Latino and 35….
I’m just a believer that the strength to any organization is a strong minor league system with kids playing at all levels. If 4/5 pitchers in the AAA rotation are ’seasoned” depth, where is the room for our kids to pitch and learn at that level.
Certainly cannot argue with that logic….but I would guess that if, say, Niese is not ready, he will surely be found a regular spot in the AAA rotation.
There is just no way they would have Niese miss starts, or pitch below the level he needs to be at, in order to have Livan or Dessens or whover pitching at AAA.
I really think after Omar watched the rotation’s injuries in 2006, and then watched Humber pitch a huge game at the end of 2007, and the parade of awful pitchers–including the awful Figueroa, Omar is determined to have serious starting depth this year.
Personally, I am one of the folks who feel that job one was improving the pen, which was done amazingly, and I think depth in the rotaion will help too….
For the record I don’t care that he is supposedly 35 and I care even less that he’s latino, it the 6.05 ERA I take issue with!
OK–who should we be signing right now for added, inexpensive, experienced, starting pitching depth?
A few names??
greetings from port st. lucie.
i had the chance to meet Ryan Church, Daniel Murphy and John Maine this morning. all were very nice guys and stopped to talk with fans while signing autographs.
il be down there this week!
Did K-rod finally show up?
Yeah, and he read the idiotic posts on here today, and sped away in the opposite direction….
K-Rod is in camp. I have heard that he has been in Florida for about a week.
bout time! lol
Tigers may make a major trade?
TIGERS GET – Jake Peavy, Luis Castillo, Chris Duncan, Brian Schneider
TIGERS GIVE – Miguel Cabrera, Norm Robertson
PADRES GET – John Maine, Wilmer Flores, Eddie Kunz,.Rick Ankiel
PADRES GIVE – Jake Peavy
CARDINALS GET – Placido Polanco, Norm Robertson
CARDINALS GIVE – Rick Ankiel, Chris Duncan
METS GET – Miguel Cabrera
METS GIVE – John Maine, Wilmer Flores, Eddie Kunz, Luis Castillo, Brian Schneider
^ that’s not the rumored trade, that’s just what I’d like to see happen….the rumor is just that they might make a major trade, and Norm Robertson or Dontrelle Willis might be a part of it….
1)SS – Jose Reyes
2)CF – Carlos Beltran
3)LF – Miguel Cabrera
4)1B – Carlos Delgado
5)3B – David Wright
6)RF – Ryan Church
7)C – IVAN RODRIGUEZ
8)2B – Daniel Murphy
Johan, Pelfrey, Perez, PEDRO, Garcia
Castro, Tatis, DURHAM, Castro, EASLEY
F-Rod, Putz, OHMAN, Sanchez, Feliciano, Green, Redding
4 team trades only happen in the NBA
the Mets are done with the MLB roster.
Why do you think the Mets are done with their Major League roster? Because Omar said so? Omar has often played coy before busting out a big move…what’s a GM supposed to say if he’s trying to get a deal on a player like Manny when he knows he’s got an aggressive counter-pursuer in Colletti?
Man, that would be lousy. Better stick to Ponzi Schemes!
what a waste of timing reading that.
I stopped reading at Maine & Flores. Please give me a break. After F-Mart Flores is there top postional prospect. Can’t see him going anywhere.
Have a great weekend all, I’m outta here.
OMG. way to much activity in there.
why would we give up Flores when hes our future CAbRERA anyway! ;]
Cause I want to win NOW!!! I’d rather just sign Manny…
&& i want to see this kid become the greatest baseball player of all time!
seriously though, hes going to be a phenom
We’re all in love with him, but for Miguel Cabrera….I make that trade….
Oh wait….we can get an outstanding bat just like that by signing Manny, and not trading away all that talent….we could still clear Castillo and Schneider in trades in my opinion….
ANGELS GET – Paul Konerko
ANGELS GIVE – Reggie Willits, Robb Quinlan, Jeff Mathis, Sean Rodriguez
WHITE SOX GET – Luis Castillo, Reggie Willits, Robb Quinlan, Nick Evans
METS GET – Jeff Mathis, Sean Rodriguez
METS GIVE – Luis Castillo
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ASTROS GET – Norm Robertson, Marcus Thames, Brian Schneider
ASTROS GIVE – Miguel Tejada, Fernando Nieve
TIGERS GET – Miguel Tejada, Fernando Nieve, Brian Stokes
TIGERS GIVE – Norm Robertson, Fernando Rodney, Marcus Thames
METS GET – Fernando Rodney
METS GIVE – Brian Schneider, Brian Stokes
how bored are you?
Actually not very, I’m doing a few other things right now, and that’s why I forgot to include Ramon Santiago going to the Astros….
ASTROS GET – Norm Robertson, Brian Schneider, Ramon Santiago, Marcus Thames
ASTROS GIVE – Miguel Tejada, Fernando Nieve
TIGERS GET – Miguel Tejada, Fernando Nieve, Brian Stokes
TIGERS GIVE – Norm Robertson, Marcus Thames, Ramon Santiago, Fernando Rodney
METS GET – Fernando Rodney
METS GIVE – Brian Schneider, Brian Stokes
Or maybe JR Towles goes back to Detroit too…something is there though…something is definitely there….
there is nothing there dude… im sorry loll its not realistic at all
You’re entitled to your opinion….regardless of how wrong it may be….
Your name should be “joke” madoff, although jerk works too.
Why not throw a few more players in for a guy who has a rotten attitude, a worse contract, and who cannot play a position we would need him to play.
He can play Left this year, maybe move to First next year if Delgado doesn’t come back….
Looks suspiciously like a AnotherTypicalMetFan post to me. Things that make you go “Hmm…”
LOL! What was your first clue, the ALL CAPS, the format of the message, or the comical content??
It was a three-way tie photo finish.
Jerk, where was this pipe dream formed??
Formed out of the obvious need for offense this team has.
Or rather, what was he smoking in that pipe
I understand the impact of Cabrera’s bat. But to me we are giving up a lot for someone who couldn’t handle 3rd base and became a 1st baseman last season to play in the extensive outfield in Citi Field and take a way a spot from our prospects.
Wilmer Flores is rated by some the best prospect in our system.
John Maine is a solid #3 starter
and
Kunz was flatout dominent in the minors until he got called up to early and got rocked around a little bit.
If Cabrera plays LF this year and moves to 1b next year then where is daniel murphy going to play? And if he stays in LF where does FMart play? I know we are playing for this year but to completely ignore the future is just plain as$inine.
I would try to substitute either Maine or Flores with Delgado with us paying for some of his contract. This way Cabrera goes to first base from the begining. Murphy would play LF this season and could work more at 2B during winter ball or in AAA FMart is ripping the cover off of the ball down there.
Also if we lose Maine our rotation becomes
Santana
Pelfrey
Ollie
and 2 out of Garcia, Redding, Livan, Neise, and Parnell
In this situation the detriments seem to out weigh the benefits.
Castillo
Reyes
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Murph/Tatis
Schnieder
or
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Delgado
Beltran
Church
Murphy/Tatis
Schnieder
OR
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
MANNY
Delgado
Church
Murphy/Tatis
Schnieder
the second one is what we’ll see all year && the 3rd one is what you’ll see in my edition of MLB the show 09
Do you play the show online?
yeahh =]
I’m beatmonty….
omeniin0d0ri0
im adding you!
I’ll sign Beimel over Ohman, and Hernandez is 34, not 54 like his brother, he defected when he was on the Junior team, just like Ordoñez. You should had see his father play(the original Duque), he will pitch 9 innings today and play the infield or centerfield the next day while batting second or fifth, the guy was really good, but drink too much.
Beimel 2008:
1.45 WHIP
32/21 K/BB ratio
Lefties hit .278 against
Batters hit .270 overall
Will Ohman 2008:
1.24 WHIP
53/22 K/BB ratio
Lefties hit .200 against
Batters hit .230 overall
Ohman is definitely better than Beimel
All Middle relievers scare me. They can be great one year, crappy the next. See Heilmann and Schoe as examples.
anyone who prefers biemel over ohman loses all credibility.
we’re not getting either so why bother?
What makes you say that?
because we are at the point where we only need 1 more lefty specialist (no more crossover guys) && the ones on the market are demanding too much at the moment && Omar is very content with the leftys hes put in camp && he is positive one will pan out && win that job
I’m sure the Hernandez father is on Omar’s radar.
Livan Hernandez, huh? Here we go again, gang, getting younger and fresher by the minute.
Hey, Omar, how much longer till Lima Time again?????????
Yes, ignorance and repitition love company, don’t they?
duque to livan…uh.. we did get younger just saying && healthier =]
okay, okay, so he’s not that old, ……but he is washed up!
loll he is washed up, but what 7th or 8th starter isnt? loll =P
Good point! lol…..We could get lucky… but let’s face it since Kieth, the name Hernandez has not exactly been synomonous with success in a Met uniform!
loll duque was great when he was healthy
&& incredibly funny to watch !
but yeahh your right “Hernandez” will always be cursed until we retire his number loll
#17 that is
Amen to that and it’s looong overdue!
1. Castillo batting leadoff makes a ton of sense…I dont know why they didnt do it sooner. As long as he can run & steal a few bags, the lineup would benefit. Castillo is still a professional hitter and is a very capable leadoff hitter. He takes a ton of pitches, can walk, and, except for last year, is a .300 hitter, with a very good OBP. With him on base, Reyes will get better pitches in the 2 or 3 hole. Reyes is a very good RBI guy…lets give him more opportunities.
Castillo, Reyes, Wright, Delgado, Beltran, Church, Tatis/Murphy, Schneid/Castro
thats a much deeper lineup
still a little heavy with lefties…but thats what we have to deal with.
2.Since Omar took over, the biggest issue has been not having a #5 SP….not we have a very deep rotation
Santana, Pelf, Ollie, Maine, & Garcia
plus Redding, Stokes, Livan, Niese, & Parnell
3. The Mets have rebuilt their BP, improved their rotation, & have a very solid lineup without losing any key players in the minors. Now niese, parnell, fmart, murphy, evans, + kunz have no pressure to develop and mature 1 more year.
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I for one am pulling for Castillo’s comeback… he has said all the right things and has the desire to perform. Even if he cant, we stil have Cora, Valentin, Murphy, Anderson, & Argenis for depth.
These are the best Metropolitans we have seen in a while…a killer BP, an aggressive rotation, same power offense from last year, a deep bench, and a deeper minor league system.
LETS GO METS!!!!!
To Whom this news Concerns,
Livan Hernandez is the New York Mets seventh starter at best. It can be argued that he is the team’s ninth starter, if you put Johan Santana, Mike Pelfrey, John Maine, Oliver Perez, Freddy Garcia, Tim Redding, Jon Niese, and Bobby Parnell in front of him. This is a good move that provides organizational depth at very little or no cost. Anyone who disagrees with this move because Mr. Hernandez is Latino or because they think it’s more useless money down the drain clearly does not know much about baseball.
This is not a time to be upset. Baseball is here! Celebrate! You can be upset if we lose three in a row, or get routed by the Yankees, i.e. something that actually warrants anger. Signing Livan Hernandez to a minor league contract is not the end of the world. Please, pipe down, so we can try and bring back some semblance of civility to this site.
Thank you,
nymgb44
P.S. LETS GO METS!!!
Thank you very much.
loll every sane mets fan knew that already =]
I was addressing the insane ones.
lmao i know =]
Well said.
Well said, well said nymgb44, and I agree totally.
This is a great deal because even though he might “only” be our 7th starter, we need to face reality in that 1) Johan just had knee surgery, 2) Maine consistently falls off in the second half and has injury problems, 3) Pelfrey just came off his first full season, 4) Neise is unproven, 5) Ollie is Ollie, 6) Freddy Garcia has only started 14 games in the last 2 seasons….
so the way I see it, this is a much needed insurance policy. The guy can go out there and give us more innings than any 7th SP can in all of baseball and with more productivity than any 7th SP in baseball can give to his team. Great pick up and I hope we don’t need to see him all year long, although its not the end of the world if we do.
I also just read this comment on mlbtraderumors.com which I think is hilarious. Apparently Livan Hernandez is one of only four pitchers to have 10+ wins every year of the new millennium…
…which makes the signing even more solid!
what bothers me is that given all the bargains this offseason the Mets came away with only Putz and K-Rod.
that was a great start but so much more could have done.
instead of signing Redding, how about Garland for a tiny bit more
instead of signing Sullivan they could have had Abreu for 4 million more
instead of Cora they could have had Nomar or Eckstein or Uribe
instead of Fossum or some other no name we could have had Ohman or Beimel at a tiny bit more
and all of that could have been done while still being well under the luxury tax
that right there could have been the difference between 88 wins and missing out and 92 wins and making the playoffs…
First of all, I’ll take Alex Cora and his .371 OBP over any of the hacks you mentioned. Next, the Mets are already pretty good. There’s a good shot that they could collapse again, especially with so many players participating in the WBC, but let’s be optimistic here. Putz and K-Rod is ridiculously good. While I do believe we need another lefty reliever, we’re pretty much set. Every team has questions. We’re gonna have to deal with it.
but why do we have to settle for less when better players were available.
because with injuries && unexpected events we would require the felxability to make moves mid season.
thats why we havent maxed out our budget NOW. because we’re gonna need it later on in the year.
You can actually tell that Omar is pulling a Donnie Walsh, saving money and stocking up on players in an attempt to pull the trigger on a Holliday deal. This July should be very interesting…
Also, an article out of Detroit says that the Tigers may be willing to trade Justin Verlander or Armando Galarraga before the start of the season. I’m sure the Mets would have interest in both, especially Galarraga, who would cost much less and would solve our fifth starter problem. Marcus Thames or Ryan Raburn, also mentioned in the article, could be even better fits.
oleo, we are not an 88 win team.
we are the best team in the NL.
all those moves COULD have made us better
but we are a very good team now with some flexability to make future moves that can fill future holes. where as your moves would leave us with no room to breathe if a big injury happens…
The Cubs are clearly better than we are, and the Phillies probably have more in terms of overall team chemistry. But we’re certainly in the mix for the World Series.
cubs gutted important parts of their team… you have to agree that they made some strange moves….
They did, but I personally believe their overall talent is still better than ours. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, though.
Gonna throw an opinion out there….
For those of who think we haven’t done enough to address perceived offense problems, is it possible the majority of you are the younger fans, who have only watched baseball during the current steroid era?
For those of us who have been watching much longer, it was pitching, and all about pitching, that won games. You scored 4 runs, you expected your pitching to hold that to a win. There wasn’t these HRs popping off every other bat coming in to save the game.
Just a thought. Not picking on anyone – just an observation from reading here all winter.
The Rays are an example of how baseball was meant to be played.
&& its how we should model our team.
pitching, speed, defense, pitching, teamorriented offense, pitching, && pitching
are you willing to stink it up 10 years in a row to develop the farm system
did i say it had to be homegrown players?
jesus man, im saying we should focus on getting players that fit that build.
you make it seem as if the steroid era is in the past
It is. The Steroid Era was from 1993-2003.
if thats what you think
You know there are guys still juicing. With over 200 types of steroids out there and not enough blood tests, some are still taking that chance and slipping through the cracks. Might not be as widespread, and might be less, but it’s still going on….
No, I’m realistic enough to know that’s not so….
there willl ALWAYS be cheaters in baseball
fact of life.
Johan is a horse.
Maine, consistently? hes only had one full year in the majors… how does he consistently break down second half.
Pelfrey was actually handled pretty well last year in terms of use. unlike HAMELS
Ollie was better under Warthen
Niese is only going to get better
Gracia still showed some nasty stuff end of last year
then again, depth never killed anyone
optimism!
Agony I agree!
Common misconception: Ollie was in fact WORSE under Dan Warthen. Sure, he was absolutely dominant in July, but how much of that was Warthen? In September, when it counted, Ollie had a 5.79 ERA and 21 walks in 32 2/3 innings.
Ollie wasnt consistent until warthen got him to bend foward before every pitch because it help him maintain a steadier arm angle with better balance
I agree, no question Ollie was better under WArthen!
so what about September, do we forget about that?
I love the idea of having four guys (Livan, Redding, Garcia, and Niese) battling for one position because it forces someone to step up and prove that they deserve the spot. Last year we really didn’t have any pitching depth, when Pedro and Maine went down we didn’t have too many viable options, but this year we have four guys, all of whom could be a guaranteed fifth starter on any other team. Only one of these guys will have the fifth spot but that means we have three other guys for spot starts and/or bullpen help, which at some point during the year you know we are going to need. I know these guys are not aces and we can’t expect them to carry us into the post season but an excess of starting pitching can never be a bad thing. Teams are always looking for pitching and hopefully we won’t need all the guys that we have but some team will and that just might give us the leverage we need to make a meaning full trade for a power bat or any other specific need that arises during the season. But please remember that pitching wins championships. At some point during this season we are going to need a few spot starts and we should feel lucky to know that we have three viable options.
Here’s some food for thought: who would you rather have competing for the fifth slot: Garcia/Redding/Niese/Hernandez (Mets) or Park/Happ/Kendrick/Carrasco (Phillies)?
you forgot the almighty EATON
I’m of the opinion that the Phills have bigger question marks in their rotation than we do. Time will tell…
But really, they’ve got the kid Cole who pitched more innings last year than anyone in the NL, the old man (and a two year contract no less?), Meyers who had a split year, and heck, I don’t even know who their 4th and 5th guy are….
Blanton is a rock at the 4, but their fifth guy is up in the air.
I agree on the question marks on phily, especially the ageless wonder.
Just throwing this out there……… Since we are in the depth adding phase why not take a flyer on Sheets for the second half?
sheets will get paid a crapload to go to the yankees in august so Joba can go to the bullpen for the playoffs
no othert akers for Sheets??
if the Yankees want him they will get him. We dont have enough money to sign a reliever let alone an ace
The problem with Omar is that while his thinking might be justified in saying that Putz/K-Rod will close the gap between the Mets and Phils, the real question remains:
Will the Mets same “choke” offense sustain the improvements of the other three teams?This division is clearly improved–the Mets might be slightly better and still have less wins than last year. They needed another impact bat to overcome the overall increased level of play.
That’s not true. Adding the reigning single-season save king and the best closer in baseball on Opening Day 2008 is a much bigger improvement than Raul Ibanez, Willingham/Olsen, or Lowe/KK/Vasquez. Plus, we brought back Ollie.
absolutely, what were the phils thinking paying twice as much for Ibanez when they coulda had Burrel back for 16 million????
burrell = streaky
ibanez = consistent
i think phillies got better on that one.
whats going to hurt the phillies is there bullpen. i have a feeling its going to fall apart without romero because no way in hell is lidge going to be perfect again.
maybe, but for 16 million less I could deal with a little streaky ness! not too mention he raked against the Mets, that alone should be worth something to the Phils I think.
oops, I forgot I also agree that not having J.C. romero for the first 50 is gonna hurt them big time. Hope fully by then we’ll be long gone!
You’re looking at “improvement” as strictly from a trade standpoint. The Nats and Marlins will be better because they are maturing and a year older. I expect Zimmerman and Milledge to be better this year as well as the Marlin’s pitching staff.
ANOTHER TACO GOOBLED UP BY OMAR!
K-Rod and Putz were amazing moves but we need to have the lead going into the 8th inning.
and if Delgado returns to normal (.260 30 HR 100 RBI) and Pelfrey doesnt repeat then we’ll have a lot less leads late in the gam
This is Delgado’s contract year, if he’s healthy he gonna rake, and rake big! Pelfrey’s gonna be a stud, the kid has got it figured out!
Pelfrey is only going to get better. idk why he would be considered a question mark at all.
“comeback down to earth” WTF if that
his earth is SOLID #2 starter
if delgado hits 30hr with 100rbi
hes done his job.
That RF deck is going to be mighty inviting for Carlos.
i can see beltran hitting 35+ with that RF porch
Beltran and Delgado both should hit many out there!
Pelfrey was awful up until this season. Its possible that he’s just as good or better and its also possible that he’ll struggle.
If Pelfrey goes out and gets 15+ W and an ERA under 3.75 then we should be set for the playoffs as long as everyone stays healthy and Ollie doesnt implode in september again…
How can you say Pelfrey was awful before??? true he struggled at first in ‘07 and beginning ‘08 but you seem to forget he was still pitching colege ball in ‘06 if u ask me (and a ton of others) Pelfrey has done far better than expected so soon!
because he had a career ERA in the high 5s until may of 2008.
In my opinion this team is going to need Pelfrey to at least repeat what he did last season if they want to be true contenders
Pelfrey is the key to the Mets this year…if he doesn’t take the next step as a consistent #2, we’ll be in for another underwhelming season. On offense, I’m going to take a different route and say the key is David “I think we should have signed Manny, but Omar told me to shut up so I changed my postion in an effort to maintain my spotless image for Madison Avenue” Wright actually goes up to the plate with an idea of what to do with men on base.
i agree 100%
imagine how good wright would be if he could hit a slider from a righty…
Pelf, is gonna be just fine this year and I expect even better. The bullpen improvements alone are going to help him relax and be better. He’s got it figured out.
Also, I do have to respectfully disagree with you on Wright being the key on offense, wright will still be his stellar self, but Mr Delgado is going to be the real key in ‘09 on offense!
No disrespect either, but Wright was FAR from stellar last year. His miserable 9th inning at bat with Murphy on third and nobody out was critical to the Mets elimination. It was UNFORGIVABLE because it was so pathetic…he was lost and clueless with no plan. His 124 rbis although rather “meaty” at first glance was weak and “girlish.” His mental toughness with men on base was pathetic and abysmal.
He cost us the season as much as that bullpen.
You are certainly entitled to air your views, but I consider it myopic and shortsighted to hold one at bat against the best position player on the team, perhaps the best position player the franchise has ever developed. I hope it will take something less than steroid using robots who bat 1.000 to make you appreciate a great player.
I’m not being myopic…Wright hit .237 with runners on…that doesn’t translate into stellar.
The last at-bat was icing on mud pie.
I’m not sure to what you’re referring when you say Wright batted .237 with “runners on.” In 2008 with “men on base” he batted .290.
Well, grave, Wright is an insincere, girlish, pathetic choker. If he knew what to do with men on base, he would have–and SHOULD have–had 278 RBI last year, like most of the league leaders did.
Don’t you know that is a fact that cannot be disputed?
This guy is almost certainly F-u-r-i-o-s-o/D-W-r-U-n-c-l back yet again. Which means he will be gone soon.
runners in scoring position and two out, perhaps? I clearly remember the BA as .237 in some clutch scenario. However, you define it, his approach to clutch hitting was indefensible.
We know that facts have little to do with arguments like yours.
In 2006 Wright hit .358 w/runners in scoring position and 2 outs.
As he will this year, when every game does not come down to needing hits like this in the late innings, with our dramatically improved bullpen.
You can learn a lot on this site, as many of us do constantly.
Try it.
What about his double clutching on most of the 9th innning grounders hit to him the last 3 years?
Gee, lets bring up a stat from 2006! Talk about twisting the facts to augment your position.
Please verify what he did in this exact scenario in 2008, Einstein. You know, like lkast year which is more relevant. I’m sure you won’t get back to me like you couldn’t dispute the other facts so you took up this little dispute in your smarmy little arrogant way.
Arguing with people like you is ridiculous, and I need to grow up some and realize that…and I am only smarmy when dealing with the unreasonable folks on here, and you have rocketed to the head of the cla*s with impressive speed. I am actually usually pretty upbeat and often try to be funny, but the ignorant and the racist do make me childish and angry pretty quickly.
Last year, Wright hit .302/.390/.534 and was in the top 5–10 in just about every category.
He hit 33 HR, 42 2B.
115 R, 94 BB.
124 RBI.
And won a Gold Glove.
Those are facts, but I know, you seem to remember him hitting .237 in some situation, so yeah, you win the argument.
Have a nice day and enjoy your short time before being banned for the 4th time.
Is Charlie Hough available for a minor league contract?
wrightistoopc, you might be surprised but at least on some level I am going to agree with you. David Wright, at least in the context of batting average, is not particularly good in “2 out RISP” situations. His career numbers beginning with his first full season are .227, .358, .200 & .247.
However, in the context of the infamous AB with Murphy on 3rd with no one out, Wright is actually a phenomenal hitter with runners on 3rd and less than 2 out, but he had a bad ‘08 in that category. His career numbers “runner on 3rd, less than 2 out” are .500, .485, .559 & .259 last season. So yes, he had an off year. Does that make him “girlish?” I think not, and his career pattern so far suggests that 2008 was an anomaly in that situation.
I used the word girlish to exagerrate his timidness and lack of aggressiveness in those situations. Straw commented on the FAN his inability and poor mental approach in these situations as well….although I didn’t need Straw to tell me that. Harsh words, yes. Fair? Probably not. But, I’m not ready to backtrack either. As the number three hitter he did not come through in SO MANY critical situations last year…too many to count. The infamous Murphy at-bat was very symbolic on his entire season. The stats were much more prolific than the actual contribution. Jose/Church/Murph were on base a ton of times in front of him. I would venture without looking at the stats he led the league or #2 or #3 at the very least in runners LOB. To somewhat detract from my bias of David, I though he played a great 3B.
Straw would know about a poor mental approach in big situations as he struck out just about every other at bat in the 1986 NLCS and World Series. He did slam 3 big homers, though….
This is probably just to motivate Garcia and Redding, I’m sure Omar wants Garcia to be healthy and win the spot, so he is lighting a fire under him.
wrightistoopc, I can’t locate any stats regarding LOB so I’ll keep an open mind about that, but I can’t be definitive either way without some concrete evidence.
Offensively, by the fairly straightforward measures of BA, OBP, SLG and OPS, David Wright was the 3rd best 3rd baseman in MLB last year, and the 2 guys with better numbers where the fragile 36 year old Chipper Jones, and the self-acknowledged cheating 32 year old Alex Rodriguez. I think it’s reasonable to expect the 25 year old David Wright to improve and to cut him some slack, while appreciating just how good a hitter he is. But if you prefer to isolate some numbers and use them to hate on him, it’s your prerogative.
I appreciate your debating with me reasonably. It’s nice to be able to disagree without expletives.
Jerry Manuel is an awful manager.
Just to play devil’s advocate, Wright was pretty bad down the stretch last year with RISP. On the year he hit .243 with RISP and .247 with 2 outs and RISP. On top of that, when it came to hitting with men on base in ‘late inning pressure’ situations (any at-bat in the seventh inning or later where the batter’s team trails by three runs or less) he hit .212. Don’t get me wrong, Wright isn’t the problem, but the Mets don’t have anyone that was able to hit in the clutch and have done nothing to correct that. Abreu would have been nice, for comparison he hit .382 with RISP and 2 outs and .414 in late inning pressure with men on.
Thanks for the good sense phuk, and of course you are right. How could anyone who has ever watched baseball and who has a brain (granted, those two qualities probably only are possessed by about 9% of posters on here lately) think that guys like The Chief and Livan are not monumnetal improvements over guys like Lima and Figueroa?
The idiocy on here lately is not a good omen for what it is going to be like here when the season starts.
Very well said, Brock!
But, at the end of the day, you live in a fourth-rate “city” and have such a pathetic life as to spend your time trolling on other team’s blogs.
Philadephia – where nothing of consequence has happened since 1787.
*Philadelphia – stupid sticky “l” key.
Thanks Gip!
And thanks for this amazing quote, which is sure to be the new one the Philly visitors center adopts, as it is TOO perfect:
“Philadelphia – where nothing of consequence has happened since 1787.”
LOL!!
I meant Original Kingman.
Not sure what this refers to, nor do I care, but with the incredibly comical nonsese and ignorance you display on this thread, being criticized by you is clearly something any rational adult would look at as a compliment.
Your comments about Wright being girlish, about him censoring his speech, not knowing what to do with men on base, and the topper of them all–judging him on one at bat, etc, are meaningless. Just idiocy.
But I am starting to think you are just the latest re-incarnation of F-u-r-i-o-s-o.
Saying Wright was equally responsible for last year as the pen was may be the single stupidest thing ever posted on the internet, let alone just this site.
I suppose this guy would rather have a stiff like Pedro Feliz manning the hot corner…29 blown saves, enough said. However, do you think Omar is going to do something else to upgrade the bench? The bench needs a righty bat with some pop, some decent options still out there…..
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