Live: Intra-Squad Game from Tradition Field

February 24, 2009 at 11:02 am · 235 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

I’m heading out to the field, to grab a seat, set up my laptops and cameras, to do my best to live-blog images from the game.

Update, 11:43: John Maine struck out Carlos Beltran looking at a fastball on the outside corner.

I was watching Maine warm up, as you can see in the video below, and was surprised to learn that, even in the bullpen, they create situations. For instance, Maine announced to the bullpen catcher, ‘OK, let’s do a lefty, watch out Jeff Kent.’

Update, 11:47:

J.J. Putz is actually looks to be getting annoyed with the umpire, who is not giving him the low strike. He then let up a hit to Angel Pagan in the left field corner, which scored Andy Green.

Update, 11:50 am:

Jerry Manuel is again watching the game behind Jose Reyes at short. He’s muttering something, which I assume Reyes can hear, because occasionally he looks back to Manuel and nods.

Update, 11:55 am:

David Wright hit a deep pop up to center field off of Maine, who gave him the by-an-inch movement with his thumb and pointer finger.

Update, 12:00 pm:

Freddy Garcia is in the game, in relief of J.J. Putz. I posted video of Garcia warming up the bullpen, at the end of this post.

Rene Rivera bumped heads with Daniel Murphy, on a possible throw down to second, but they appeared to be OK.

Murphy ended up being walked by Maine.

Update, 12:03 pm:

Garcia looks like he has a nice change up, but he’s getting hit pretty hard, letting up a double deep in the gap to the young Jose Coronado.

Update, 12:18 pm:

David Wright and Carlos Beltran each clobbered a home run off of rookie Mike Antonini. Wright’s ball went a mile. You can see video of Beltran rounding third on the home run below.

Antonini actually brushed Wright back, accidentally I am sure, following Beltran’s home run, to which the older lady behind me yelled, “Woh, watch it, kid, lot of money at the plate.”

Update, 12:25 pm:

Garcia’s off-speed stuff looks good, but his fastball is flat. I mean, it’s an intra-squad game, so it’s not that big of a deal, but given the health concerns, it’s worth noting – he’s also missing high in the zone a lot.

Wright made a nice diving stop in the hole to throw out a batter.

Jerry Manuel is always holding a baseball bat.

Update, 12:30 pm:

I’m running low on battery and sustenance . I’m going to take a break, grab a hot dog, re-charge and check in with the beat writers.

Don’t forget, to get an inning-by-inning log of the game, keep an eye on Adam Rubin’s blog for the Daily News.

…i like this, he does play-by-play, i’ll do imagery

1:17 pm:

Angel Pagan just made a strong throw off a pop out to peg Bobby Kielty tagging from third and trying to score.

The home team is up 4-2 in the seventh inning, though it looks like a dark set if clouds may be rolling in.

1:33 pm:

In the bullpen, Ramon Castro spent a good five minutes heckling the third base umpire, calling him Marlon Anderson, because of the similarity, yelling, “Marlon, Marlon, hey, Marlon.”

Finally, the umpire turned around and asked, “Me,” to which Castro seriously said, ‘Oh, sorry, I thought you were some one else.”

Video:

John Maine warming up in the bullpen before the game:

JJ Putz pitching to Angel Pagan:

Freddy Garcia warming up in the bullpen:

Carlos Beltran rounding third after a home run off Antonini:

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{ 235 comments }

joeeeee February 24, 2009 at 11:19 am

matt,

just wanna say thanks on behalf of all of us met fans for the good coverage. i am sure that many readers of your blog will agree that this is some of the most in depth spring training coverage on the web.
i like that it goes from strictly baseball to also covering the lighter side of spring training. keep up the good work.

ps.. take off the auto correct from the iphone in the settings. it may help. instead of changing a word entirely the thread will post with just a few missing characters or misspellings.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 11:22 am

I concur! Matt you’re doing a heck of a job, keep it up!

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 11:44 am

AMEN! Amazing job this spring….I am looking at banks of snow and ice here in upstate NY, but I feel as though I am in sunny FLA….

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 11:37 am

where’s the chosen 1 to do the play by play for us??

TheChosen1 February 24, 2009 at 1:34 pm

Haha. Server down at work, so I just got on. :)

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 11:44 am

From Adam Rubin’s blog:

First inning:
John Maine takes the mound. Luis Castillo called out on strikes. It was way outside, causing the fans to groan. Jose Reyes flies out to center. Carlos Beltran called out on strikes.
J.J. Putz takes the mound. Cory Sullivan flies out to left field.

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 11:47 am

J.J. Putz takes the mound. Cory Sullivan flies out to left field. Andy Green walks. Angel Pagan slices RBI double to left field. Green scores.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 11:47 am

J.J. Putz takes the mound. Cory Sullivan flies out to left field. Andy Green walks. Angel Pagan slices RBI double to left field. Green scores. Pagan steals third

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 11:49 am

At least i got the Pagan stealing third.

LOL

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 11:49 am

Ooh, I missed that “Pagan steals third” nugget. Nice “get.”

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 11:51 am

Wild pitch. Pagan scores. Nick Evans strikes out.

Joe Bacci February 24, 2009 at 11:52 am

wouldn’t it be easier to just go to Rubin’s blog?

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 11:54 am

Absolutely, I’m guessing based on yesterday’s demands for updates here that either people are unable to do that or are unable to figure that out.

I can’t possibly do the whole game, just leaving a few updates before I have to check out.

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 11:55 am

Maybe. But I appreciate the updates here ’cause then I get to see those and the comments on those w/o switching back and forth.

cver February 24, 2009 at 11:53 am

WHAT A PUTZ! Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Go get ‘em, JJ!!! He’s an upgrade from our old player PP HANDS.

Dirtysanchez February 24, 2009 at 11:55 am

lmaooo its going to be a fun year with putz and the ny newspapers…

cver February 24, 2009 at 12:02 pm

Hey there, Mr. Dirty! How have you been?!!

number15 February 24, 2009 at 12:05 pm

ugh i’m sick of this already and the season is still more than a month away. ‘putz lives up to his name ahahah sooooo funny’. so lame

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 12:16 pm

ahh.. my favorite met fan, number15..

number15 February 24, 2009 at 12:25 pm

sarcasm is a sign of weakness

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 12:47 pm

it is if you’re being sarcastic, but irrational is a sign of boredom and the need for attention, with that being said i was being honest, u bring someone else who attacks this organization they way they should..

number15 February 24, 2009 at 12:54 pm

i’m having a hard time understanding what you mean. originally i thought you were being sarcastic but that last post was just confusing

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:02 pm

Alex: You don’t “attack this organization the way” people should.

You b*tch and moan and complain.

But rarely do you offer a well thought and rational alternative or even consider the relevant facts.

The Mets and Mets fans don’t need your kind of help. If you want things done differently, the world is open to new/different ideas. But you don’t have any. You just react to what is done with complaints.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:17 pm

wanny,

if it bothers u sooo much that i “b*** and moan” then don’t even look at my post, i’m not like some of you who think u run this blog, everyone is entitle to have their opinion here, is a free mets blog, stop thinkin like TRS like u own the blog or something whether is a blog or a at bar not every mets fan is happy, if u feel like they shouldnt be ur gonna get ur lips smack..

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 1:23 pm

Sorry alex, gotta chime in here…you are one of the most negative people on here, even when people try to joke with you. Negativity is depressing and annoying.

I also think you are very desperate for attention, as you post generally the same negativity every day, knowing you are sure to get many responses, as it is often very silly stuff you post…..and you do not have a really good grasp of baseball history, even recent history.

And remember, we all have the right to correct your frequent errors, and to let you know how annoying the ceaseless negativity is.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Public forum, Alex. If you don’t want your opinions uestioned or criticized then post them somewhere privately.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Sorry alex, gotta chime in here…you are one of the most negative people on here, even when people try to joke with you”

tell me kingman, how am i one of the most negative person in here? and how do i crave for attention? honestly, i can give a rat’s a-s-s what any of you think, is pathetic u agreeing with a bunch of jerks here..

ProudMetFan February 24, 2009 at 5:43 pm

This is what they mean Alex… you are being a negative dick right now.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 11:53 am

Uh-oh. This is going to open up the floodgates of negativity against Putz and suggestions that we should instead have traded Heilman for Hank Greenberg and Tony Esposito.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 11:54 am

LMAO!!!

TheBigStapler February 24, 2009 at 11:58 am

Maybe Parnell could teach him about the strike zone.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 12:20 pm

HAHAHA!!

We need to get the Knicks involved too; maybe we can get Willis Reed….

Dirtysanchez February 24, 2009 at 11:53 am

Guys dont forget that MLB TV has the Mets for 30 in 30 @ 11pm!

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 11:54 am

Thanks for the info Dirty!

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 11:56 am

Thanks for the reminder, I’ve already programmed my TV to tune to it automatically in case I space out.

TheBigStapler February 24, 2009 at 11:54 am

Angel Pagan is the Grapefruit League king.

Dirtysanchez February 24, 2009 at 11:56 am

lol for real….just gotta keep him away from the first row and keep reminding him its ST all year.

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 11:58 am

Second inning:
Maine retakes mound. Carlos Delgado grounds out to Jose Valentin, the third baseman, who was playing the shortstop region on an overshift. David Wright flies out to center. Ryan Church groundball single up the middle. … Trainer Ray Ramirez on field. Catcher Rene Rivera’s arm hit batter Daniel Murphy’s helmet on pickoff attempt at first. He’s apparently okay. Game resumes. …

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Game resumes. … Murphy walks. Omar Santos grounds out to pitcher.
Freddy Garcia takes mound.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 12:02 pm

Grave, looks like some of us hafta rely on you, for whatever reason I can’t get Rubin’s blog to go through with the game blog. Bummer!

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:04 pm

His blog is loading very slowly at my end, probably lots of traffic. I have time for a couple more innings I’ll update until I have to go.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 12:06 pm

thanks, I appreciate it.

dominick February 24, 2009 at 12:01 pm

Is it just me or would anyone else really like to see Pagan make the team. I really enjoyed watching him play last season.

Do you think his play and relative success last season will be factored in?

cver February 24, 2009 at 12:13 pm

I liked Pagan. Not many roster spots though. Would be open to the idea, if there was room – gotta feeling there won’t be, but who knows.

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 12:19 pm

I like what I say from Pagan last year. Don’t know how that will translate to this year though. And as you said, not much room left on the bench for him unless they get rid of Marlon.

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:07 pm

Freddy Garcia takes mound. Valentin deep flyout to right field. Rivera flies out to right field. Jose Coronado line double to center off Beltran’s glove. Fernando Martinez grounds out to first base.

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:10 pm

If I’m following this correctly that concluded the bottom of the 2nd, and the “minor league” lineup is leading the major leaguers 2-0 going into the 3rd.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Pretty sad indeed! lol

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 12:19 pm

september anyone??

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 12:14 pm

Beltran stinks. The Mets should have signed Bobby Abreu and moved Daniel Murphy to CF. Then they could trade Fernando Martinez, because he stinks too, to Toronto for Roy Halladay (5th starter/long man), Aaron Hill (backup 2B for Orlando Hudson) and Alex Rios (platoon in RF with Ryan Church and catch against tough right handed pitchers).

It’s ludicrous that this hasn’t been done yet.

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Fine parody Wanny.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 12:16 pm

I wish Rubin would give us some insight has to Garcia’s velocity and a scouting report on how he looked from a technical/physical standpoint.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:16 pm

Wanny 2, how could you not want Beltran?

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 12:18 pm

uh, he clearly was being sarcastic,

and wanny i can give you the scouting report on garcia, 86mph fastball, and he looked like he is.. a BUM…

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:21 pm

i hope you’re right – as it didn’t seem like a joke to me. Rios is nasty and Halladay, well, we all know how good he is. Watch Beltran win MVP this year.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Beltran and Wright both with dingers today. This makes me h***y.

TheBigStapler February 24, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Ouch, Antonini!

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 12:19 pm

not a good day for ex-Seattle pitchers!

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Easy Case! They are just getting loose and trying to help the hitters build confidence…and remember, everyone in the pen looked incredible last spring—Heilman was unhittable….even Schoeneweis was good….

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 12:43 pm

knew I’d get a response from you. no worries, I support ex-mariners in queesn!

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:21 pm

Wanny, Rubin did say “did seem like not many fastballs from Garcia but I’ll get an expert opinion later” after I cut and pasted.

I was going to wait til the end of the half inning but things are getting too interesting:

Third inning:
Mike Antonini pitching. Mets hope he becomes a Mark Buehrle-type pitcher. He’s headed to Double-A rotation. Fernando Martinez batting. (He’s DHing for both teams.) Martinez line single to center. Castillo flies out to right field. Reyes opposite-field double to right field. Martinez to third. Beltran three-run homer to left field. Delgado flies out to left field. Wright homers to dead-center.

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 12:22 pm

Oops – sorry. Thought I read you had to leave. Was just helping out those who couldn’t get to the blog for the updates.

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:24 pm

No apology necessary. I have to stop at 12:30 anyway.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Thanks, Richie, for the answer to my question.

Most important with Garcia in the Spring is that he’s able to pitch some innings and stay healthy.

He’s crafty enough to get by with less than his best stuff.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 12:29 pm

yeah, kinda like pedro right?? great

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Wanny it’s a pleasure to be able to provide a little info to someone who brings so much info to this blog. Your posts are some of the best here. That end of the 3rd update below is my last I have to go.

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 12:21 pm

Third inning:

Mike Antonini pitching. Mets hope he becomes a Mark Buehrle-type pitcher. He’s headed to Double-A rotation. Fernando Martinez batting. (He’s DHing for both teams.) Martinez line single to center. Castillo flies out to right field. Reyes opposite-field double to right field. Martinez to third. Beltran three-run homer to left field. Delgado flies out to left field. Wright homers to dead-center. Half-inning called.

Garcia pitching. Sullivan line single to center.
******

Half inning called? I guess they’re limiting pitches?

FlightFromHouston February 24, 2009 at 12:24 pm

but jeff kent is not a lefty

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:25 pm

i was curious about that comment too as i am 100% sure he’s a right.

FlightFromHouston February 24, 2009 at 12:26 pm

i’m sure reye loves manuel breathing down his neck.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:29 pm

it’s gotta be because Jerry wants to hear Reyes yell to the other infielders and be a field general. it will force Reyes to control the infield more.

GravediggerHebner February 24, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Garcia pitching. Sullivan line single to center. Green grounds out to third base. Sullivan to second. Pagan flies out right field. Evans called out on strikes.

That makes it 4-2 major leaguers after 3. I’m out!

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 12:28 pm

Thanks Grave we appreciate it!

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:30 pm

Fourth inning:

Antonini’s second inning of work. Church broken-bat groundout to second base. Murphy groundout to first base. Santos bloop single to right-center.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:33 pm

Fernando Martinez lines out to left field.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Bot 4:

Casey Fossum pitching. Mackowiak grounds out to first base. Valentin walks…..

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:43 pm

….Rivera single off Reyes’ glove. Coronado strikes out.

Jeff Wilpon and Omar Minaya, sitting one section over, just noticed me blogging and marveled that people are out there looking for intrasquad game updates. “There’s people on Wall Street not working because of you,” Minaya jokingly just told me.

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Yeah, like any Wall Street broker is a Mets fan. It’s my sense that these guys move to NY and become Yankees fans cuz it’s the cool and expensive thing to do.

helicopter ben johnson February 24, 2009 at 12:55 pm

I know its in vogue to bash wall st these days, but yankee fans? thats rough

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 1:00 pm

lol

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Fifth inning:

Rocky Cherry pitching. Cora grounds out to second base.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Cherry is Rule 5 pick from Orioles and must be offered back if he doesn’t make the bullpen.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Rocky Cherry pitching. Cora grounds out to second base”

jesus, our star 2B couldn’t even hit a BUM..

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Evidently neither could anyone else! lol

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 12:53 pm

gee, that was unpredictable.

Will players only be permitted to get out against Cole Hamels, Brandon Webb and Carlos Zambrano to meet your satisfaction?

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:07 pm

don’t worry, you will all see what i’ve been saying about the signing that were made this offseason..

TKFJ February 24, 2009 at 1:18 pm

What are you some sort of prophet? Some of the people who have been familiarized with me through this site and on the chats during games, would say i’m one of the whiniest and negative mets fans that exists. But by god i’ve met my match, do you have one positive thing to say about this team? Or do you enjoy facilitating failure?

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:20 pm

You haven’t said anything of substance. All you’ve done is called them juvenile names like “bums.”

By the way, you will recall that I was opposed to signing Alex Cora because I felt that you could get the same production from Ramon Hernandez or a minor league veteran at close to the major league minimum salary. His sub .320 OBP is not impressive and his league average defense is not exciting.

I was also in favor of doling out a few more sheckels for Derek Lowe, rather than settling for Ollie Perez because I felt that his consistency and durability were more important than the flash of Ollie’s occasional brilliant outings. I also thought that his close to league leading groundball tendencies were a strong predictor that he could continue his success.

You simply decided Alex Cora is a “bum” and wanted Ben Sheets, despite the clear signs of a serious injury, for no explained reason.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:25 pm

TKFJ:

first of all idk who you are, second of all, i don’t know what u talking about, i like the team, just not the way is constructed, am i happy? no? but that will not stop me from going to games, watch every game, if i’m busy go to my phone and look at the score, once the season start u think i’ll be rooting like oh there’s castillo i want a double play..? no.. i don’t even boo when i go to the games.. but please some of you stop being so f***** bias…

udontmesswiththejohan February 24, 2009 at 12:59 pm

Give it a rest Big A – for one day – please.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:08 pm

tomorrow.. i promise udont.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Reyes grounds out to shortstop. Beltran grounds out to second base.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 12:50 pm

irb, keep it coming.. a fine job.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:49 pm

no more updates from me for now, i gotta run.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 12:51 pm

aww man! lol can anybody else help us out?

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:53 pm

MEETING CANCELLED, YEAY YEAY!

BACK TO BASEBALL:

Fossum returns for second inning.

Reyes call reversed. Charged with error for shot off glove.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:53 pm

Fossum returns for second inning. David Wright highlight-reel play at third base. Dove toward line for Bobby Kielty’s grounder, then delivered one-hop throw to first base in time.

Reyes call reversed. Charged with error for shot off glove.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:54 pm

….Sullivan grounds out to second base. Green flies out to right field.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Time to head to the clubhouse and start reporting. End of live blogging. Check back later for box score and summary. And remember live chat at 3 p.m.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 12:58 pm

no end of the game play-by-play

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 1:04 pm

Baseball America released it’s top 100. Mets have four:

30 FERNANDO
MARTINEZ OF, METS
0: Players in Double-A younger than Martinez last season.
Opening Day Age: 20 ETA: 2010

47 WILMER
FLORES SS, METS
0: Players younger than Flores (who turned 17 on Aug. 6) in full-season ball last season.
Opening Day Age: 17 ETA: 2012

77 JONATHON
NIESE LHP, METS
178: Innings pitched last season, including 14 in three big league starts.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2009

94 BRAD
HOLT RHP, METS
1.87: ERA at short-season Brooklyn, one of four categories in which he led the New York-Penn League.
Opening Day Age: 22 ETA: 2010

dominick February 24, 2009 at 1:22 pm

just curiously what place were
lastings milledge,
carlos gomez,
and conversely scott kazmir ranked?
maybe for fun the other guy in the johan trade who is about 2 be cut from the twins.
wait even better where was david wright.

I loved watching holt pitch in brooklyn but these things are so hit and miss outside the top 5 – 10

dominick February 24, 2009 at 1:25 pm

lastings milledge 11 david wright 21

their highest rankings

dominick February 24, 2009 at 1:27 pm

7. Kazuo Matsui ss, Mets

8. Greg Miller lhp, Dodgers
9. Grady Sizemore of, Indians
10. Prince Fielder 1b, Brewers
11. Andy Marte 3b, Braves
12. Scott Kazmir lhp, Mets
13. Adam Loewen lhp, Orioles
14. Zack Greinke rhp, Royals
15. Casey Kotchman 1b, Angels
16. Justin Morneau 1b, Twins
17. Cole Hamels lhp, Phillies

furthur proof these rankings are useless

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:39 pm

It’s definitely an art, not a science. But at least the folks at BA speak with the scouts who are following and signing these guys.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Thanks for posting this Case!

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:09 pm

wilmer flores, delgado and f-mart for pujols right now… DONE..

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 1:13 pm

alex, you would still have negatives things to say about that move

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:20 pm

lol, jeez.. 718, i like a lot of mets players, but given how we finish the past 2 season some of this players shouldn’t be here, delgado, castillo, perez should’ve been all gone.. but hey.. there here so.. what can we do..

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Without Delgado the Mets wouldn’t have had the chance to “choke” (your favorite words) last season.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:26 pm

oh great, after he cost a manager his job?? by a misterious wrist injury that heal after willie was fired?? we’ll see how he does this year..

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:30 pm

Actually, almight fact ignorer, Delgado began to heat up during Willie’s last two weeks as manager.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Maybe if you had taken a baseball off the wrist instead of off the head you would understand what kind of damage that can do to a guy like Delgado who gets most of his power from his wrist.

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Alex: ‘oh great, after he cost a manager his job?? by a misterious wrist injury that heal after willie was fired?? we’ll see how he does this year..’

Cost Willie his job? Wow. You’re giving Delgado way too much credit on that one.
Mysterious wrist injury? Did you see the last game of the ‘07 season where he broke the bone after being hit by a pitch? Nothing mysterious about it.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 1:33 pm

Alex, who cares about Willie. He should of been fired a lonnngggg time ago. Delgado did everyone a favor.

kistics February 24, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Do you seriously thinkg Delgado took all that crap from all Mets fans just to get Willie fired??? He must have real thick skin

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:40 pm

He’s also not interested in reaching 500 home runs or in spending his last years on a World Series contender.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:43 pm

so he broke his wrist the last game of 2007 season?? oh, that explain why he struggle for ALL 2007..

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm

Nope, don’t know why I am trying but lets use your logic.
Did he get hot in September of 2007 so Willie could keep his job, only to get cold again so Willie could lose it? Oh I get it, he wanted Willie to get embarrased midseason instead of at the end of the year. He thought if I get hot Willie will stay then I can go cold and he will get fired while on the West coast.
Man, you are either a troll or an idiot plain and simple.

kistics February 24, 2009 at 1:17 pm

says who?? the cards??

If you want to bring Pujols, you gotta give up either Wright or Reyes plus prospects

dominick February 24, 2009 at 1:37 pm

just curiously despite the fact he may be best position player in national league would you trade for a guy who needs tommy john surgery. and you will be making 20 million soon.

save the money keep fmart and flores and get a quality 1b and starting pitcher for the money. 4 players for the price of one.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 1:14 pm

LOL, they(Cards) wouldn’t even consider it! Pujols will likely be in St Louis for a long……long time!

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:21 pm

wanny backjerk:

if it bothers u sooo much that i “b*** and moan” then don’t even look at my post, i’m not like some of you who think u run this blog, everyone is entitle to have their opinion here, is a free mets blog, stop thinkin like TRS like u own the blog or something whether is a blog or a at bar not every mets fan is happy, if u feel like they shouldnt be ur gonna get ur lips smack..

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:25 pm

Who is going to smack my lips?

Alex, it is impossible not to look at your posts because I see the same exact posts in every topic, in every thread and in every individual conversation.

Just like you, I’m entitled to my opinion. If you don’t want feedback on your opinions then don’t post them in a public forum.

TKFJ February 24, 2009 at 1:25 pm

I think we all as fans reserve the right to be negative about different and I’m positive it occurs numerous times during the season, but what is the point of being of fan if you only focus on the negatives? seems counter-productive and a waste of time to me.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 1:28 pm

Well said…the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity on here are a major mystery to me…I mean, why follow baseball if it just gives you things to moan and whine about?

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm

I could care less about negativity if the posts are not utterly bereft of fact, reason, logic or purpose.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:42 pm

then DON’T REPLY TO ME if mine are negative as you say..

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:50 pm

I just said the negativity doesn’t bother me. Are you reading?

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:51 pm

If you don’t like what he is saying then don’t reply to his reply. LOL. What an insane thing to say. If you post it then you have to expect people to reply. If not you are on the wrong board. And yes some are going to agree with you and some are not. And when they don’t, most will expect you to provide some or any kind of logic for your opinion and that my friend is where you fail.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:12 pm

Yeah Wanny, I agree, but to me, it seems as though the folks who know the least and contribute the least are also the most negative ones.

I rarely if ever see one of the tribe I refer to as the Nattering Nabobs of Negatvity making interesting suggestions, bringing in and posting interesting info, having neat ideas, or even making funny jokes.

To use the most egregious example of the most negative and unhappy person here, RodKanehl never even TRIES to say anything–he just uses this site to air his misery.

I think many of the negative folks are sort of similar—either attention seekers like alex or the banned F-u-r-i-o-s-o, or just unhappy folks.

Just my take.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 1:31 pm

I agree

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:28 pm

You know Alex, for someone that admits he post things just to get a rise out of other’s it is very hard to take you serious. Now, I should be offended that you continue to call me out unwarranted. However, I will take it as praise. I find it flattering that you are obsessed with me. Perhaps over time if you stop posting all nonsense people will respect you as well.
By the way, I did not get a chance to read your response yesterday.
Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 1:32 pm

You tell ‘em TRS! lol

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm

NOT a jerk like you and wanny, ppl call me negative and stuff, and i get it, but u think ppl respect you?? for real? you come in here try to diminished others ALL the time if they don’t happen to agree wit you, and wanny is free site i agree and u entitle to your opinion, but what is it about me that attracted you? tell me? do i want the mets to succed yes, am i being realistic by saying we can be a team that wins 85 wins? u bet ur A-s-s i am.. i don’t like the team as it is but as i said i won’t stop coming here or rootin for the team becoz of either of u jerks!!

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 1:38 pm

But see Alex, for you to say the Mets are an 85 win team is whats get people angry. Thats a stupid statement be it your opinion or not.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:41 pm

do you think i’m the only one who feels this way???

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 1:43 pm

No, but everyone else who does share that view is looked upon the same was as you are in this blog.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm

No. And people are entitled to feel that way. But you feel that way based on factually inaccurate and illogical premises such as:

1. the backup 2B is not good enough;
2. the mets can not hit in the “clutch;”
3. the mets offense is not good enough;
4. david wright can not hit in the “clutch;”
5. this guy, that guy and the other guy are all bums;
6. instead of signing players like garcia, sullivan, kielty, et. al., for depth in AAA and on the bench, the Mets should have signed Ben Sheets, Bobby Abreu, Orlando Hudson and Babe Ruth and sent them all to the minor leagues
7. the Mets are wasting time signing players for AAA;
8. David Wright struck out with Daniel Murphy at 3B;
9. The Mets didn’t score enough runs against Florida the last three games of the season;
10. Carlos Delgado intentionally dogged so the manager would be fired.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:55 pm

out of those 10 reason am i the only one who feel about that?? when have i said d-wright can’t hit in the clutch? i did say he needs to HIT in the clutch, how are those ilogocal?? please explain.. u feel the team will win 95 i want to believ you, but i just can’t my friend.. again, ever since 2006 when the cards show some fight against us we folded, ever since the rest has been history.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 2:02 pm

Really>??? we folded?? we were down 3-2 and came back to win game 6.We lost 2 games in the 9th inning? hows that folding?

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 1:38 pm

i like the intensity i’m seeing in february, but you guys are morons.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 1:48 pm

Makes u wonder huh! lol

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:44 pm

Again Alex, answer a simple question.

Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:50 pm

THEJERKSINCE86:

i don’t like to answer to you is not becoz i don’t have facts, is becoz i notice how u feel the need fot ppl to answer your questions here, wtf are you?? u won’t get an answer from me when u do it wit repugnacy as u often do, i once defend you when someone called you out, but then i saw the reason as to why.. u come with with a bunch of stupid trades idea, but if someone else does u have to chime in and what u feel is what need s to be done.. please.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Alex, you have never answered any questions because you are either an idiot or a troll and it’s time people started to notice. You are two faced and post things just to get a rise out of others. So again, you might as well change your screen name because after every joke post you make, what follows will be

Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

reillys5 February 24, 2009 at 1:55 pm

After reading most of the back and forth talk between you guys, can I remind you that we are all Met fans? We are all here because we are die-hard fans. Some have been fans since the 70s,80s,90s, and now. The fact is it doesn’t matter. We all bleed Met orange and blue, just thought I’d remind you all of that.

and of course

LETS DO THISSS

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:58 pm

I really should ignore every time he calls me out and every time he post his obvious attention getting post. You are right. There is just something about him that rubs me the wrong way. He is not as irrational as Fiyawhatever or Anothertypical but for some reason the fact that he seems capable of rational thought but does not use it makes it even worse.

I will try and leave it alone for the good of the team.

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 1:44 pm

I read this quote the other day, thought it might apply:

Don’t argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm

LMAO, so very true,

kistics February 24, 2009 at 1:47 pm

lol.. that makes all of us idiots

we all argue with idiots and make idiotic comments all the time

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 1:52 pm

True, but there’s a big difference in stating that certain things should happen, and if it does’nt proclaim the Mets idiots! and Stating what you would like to see happen, back it up with stats, scenarios, and the like and having an intelligent, well thought out debate on the subject!

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 1:54 pm

But that requires, time and rational thought. That is impossible for some on this blog, it’s too easy the other way.

kistics February 24, 2009 at 1:57 pm

Agreed. Pujols for 2 unproven minor leaguers and aging 1st baseman would be a good example

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 1:58 pm

and of course since you are a kindergarden teacher that’s what you are? see how arrogant you are.. jerk

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 1:58 pm

Most importantly, it requires some baseball knowledge. Anyone can google stats.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Poor baby Alex, did I offend you with a comment about many? Or are you so obsessed with me that you stalk me? Look I am a married High school teacher and coach, I am not interested in any internet stalkers, sorry.

Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 2:07 pm

Google stats? sure anyone can do that, but understanding what those numbers mean in real terms in real baseball situations is something quite different.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 2:09 pm

Mets5rocks,

thats what i meant

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm

AAhh I see said blind man to deaf wife! lol

dave27 February 24, 2009 at 1:45 pm

I consider myself as big a Mets fan as there is, and could enumerate hundreds of support points to back that up.

And I have to say, unequivocally, I couldn’t give a rat’s rear end about a February 24 intrasquad game. More power to those that could!

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 1:48 pm

Sure, your right, its just a February 24 intrasquad game.

but at the end of the day, Its a baseball game. And since we haven’t had one to follow in months, this “February 24 intrasquad game” is fun to watch

dave27 February 24, 2009 at 2:03 pm

Like I said, more power to you! I wish I could muster up more interest.

Actually it’s not that I am not interested, I just have no reaction to who goes 0-4 and who homers and who gets rocked and who pitches no-hit ball. It’s totally irrelvant.

But sure…there are Mets on the field and it;s sunny out – I can fool myself for a few minutes that it is not 20 degrees out!

BIGpelfcyyoung February 24, 2009 at 1:46 pm

In the words of Mugatu:

They’re blog fighting!!

Razor Shines February 24, 2009 at 1:51 pm

The reason so many people are interested in live blogging of intra-squad games is that we want to be more informed, with a perfect example being the single-turned-error on Rene Rivera’s shot off Reyes’ glove. Rivera will probably get somewhere around 20 ABs this spring, so if this were an actual spring game, that scoring change would turn a .300 Catcus League BA into .250, or would become “stick him in AA and see what happens” instead of “ this guy hit .300 in spring and didn’t make the team?” when the reality is that nothing was different.

Spring is too small a sample and often times not indicative of development through stats, so it’s nice to get a detailed description of what’s going on.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Well said!

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 1:56 pm

All that and well….I enjoy it purely for the pleasure of seeing Met baseball after a long, cold winter. Just evidence of opening day is right around the corner.

stickguy February 24, 2009 at 3:15 pm

And don’t forget, lots of pretty pictures too!

reillys5 February 24, 2009 at 1:56 pm

posted this above, but just want to make sure all see this :

After reading most of the back and forth talk between you guys, can I remind you that we are all Met fans? We are all here because we are die-hard fans. Some have been fans since the 70s,80s,90s, and now. The fact is it doesn’t matter. We all bleed Met orange and blue, just thought I’d remind you all of that.

and of course

LETS DO THISSS

kistics February 24, 2009 at 1:59 pm

YEAH!! Let’s go kick some phillie fkin a-s-s—

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:00 pm

reilly you are right, from now on i will not even bother post anything here since i seem to get double team by two guys in here.. if i offended anyone i am very sorry.. maybe i am a lil on edge..

reillys5 February 24, 2009 at 2:02 pm

To be honest, I take everything you say with a grain of salt. I get a laugh out of everything because I know your just messing with everyone. The only thing I have ever argued about was about David Wright not being clutch. Other than that, I seriously get a nice laugh out of every post. Its like I don’t even have to read the user name because I know its you, thats all.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:06 pm

Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

TKFJ February 24, 2009 at 2:08 pm

Alright give guy a little flack for overly negative comments, but enough is enough man.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:09 pm

TKJF.

i got this.. he needs an answer.. and he thinks he’s the president of the blog just sit back and watch man..

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:08 pm

THEJERKSINCE86:

awww, i’m sorry, HIGH SCHOOL COACH, that’s right.. sorry man.. although i wonder what high school would hire a jerk like you to coach the team.. umm..

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:09 pm

Try this for a jerk, I keep my word.

Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm

THEJERKSINCE86:

awww, i’m sorry, HIGH SCHOOL COACH

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 2:11 pm

Hey Guys, My cousin is a really good divorce lawyer.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:14 pm

What no more Star Wars references? Growing up a little?

Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:14 pm

LOL again 718–thanks for the consistently high-quality humor!

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 2:18 pm

since the NL west stinks so much, MLB is taking away their playoff spot and adding another wild card,

hence the Mets finish third and make the playoffs.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 2:19 pm

LOL, i like the idea

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:22 pm

Haha Case….now, if the NBA Eastern can just add maybe 3 more playoff spots, my Nets might still make it…..

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 2:26 pm

kingman, the fact that you are a Mets, Nets, and Dolphins fan kills me. You love punishment, don’t you?

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:40 pm

Well, I suppose it is not so much that I LOVE punishment, I guess I am just perhaps over-loyal, and do have a strong constitution….

The Dolphins were good every year for a long time, even though it is now 35 years since the last Super Bowl win and wow, 24 years since the last appearance! But still, until the recent troubles (which I think we are now over) the Fish did at least make the playoffs and win a playoff game just about every year.

As for the Nets, well, that is a sad history. But still, the Kidd era was unreal, and damn, if we had just held on to that game 6 in San Antonio in the 2003 Finals, we might have a championship banner.

kistics February 24, 2009 at 2:10 pm

I wonder if Matt reads all these comments

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:13 pm

He generally just scrolls through and reads alex and RodKanehl…..

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 2:16 pm

dont forget anothertypical,

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:19 pm

Oh yeah, good point…Matt certainly does not want to get scooped when the next 7-team, 39 player trade comes down….

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:16 pm

ah..

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:13 pm

718, LMAO..

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:17 pm

What no more Star Wars references? Growing up a little?

i will not use princess leia’s name in vain..

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:20 pm

Alex, seriously lets talk as adults. Try and explain your position on this. I will leave it alone. I will only ask 1 more time and would appreciate an honest response.

Your comment was that the Mets will not choke this year they will finish 3rd. However, you have also said the Mets will make the playoffs. Either you are an idiot or a troll. Which one is it Alex?

kistics February 24, 2009 at 2:22 pm

yes

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:24 pm

THE JERKSINCE86:

the way i have posted, is becoz i was young and naive..

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Shall we call you A-ROID or A-HOLE?

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:29 pm

SSSSS… nice case.. umm.. A-money..

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Take out the idiot or troll question just seriously as adults answer the question. Which one do you really believe. Make a post that you can be held accountable for. Do you think it’s a 3rd place team or a playoff team. Why? And why did you say both?
You want people to take you seriosly and me to leave you alone. Here is your perfect opprotunity.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:29 pm

look jerk, i have said all along that no matter who we got on the team i will root for the team, u only read what u wanna read, with that being said i’m gonna say it one more time, in my eyes we are an 85 win team, but in my heart and becoz i LOVE this team we will make the playoffs.. there.. i’m sorry if i offended anyone ok..

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:31 pm

Thanks for the attempt. Why not answer the way you did earlier in the offseason. With the fact that you post 3rd place just to get a rise out of people.

Again, I am done with you. You bore me.

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm

THEJERKSINCE86:

Thanks. i quite thank you for leaving me alone.

BIGpelfcyyoung February 24, 2009 at 2:26 pm

the real

instead of idiot or troll perhaps a carnie? Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:42 pm

Holy crap, that’s funny!

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 2:18 pm

don’t just tell these two that you know a good divorce lawyer, give them both the phone #…these guys are both on the rag right now…

back to the METS:

anyone else want Pagan to make this team? he’s a switch hitter and plays good D. i’d love for him to be on the bench over Marlon “I Can’t Believe I Can’t Hit” Anderson. thoughts?

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:21 pm

If we can’t get Richie Sexson for a minor league deal then Pagan has to be the front runner to me. He plays with a lot of excietment and is an incredible athlete. His biggest problem is he does not seem to be good enough defensively to be the Endy guy. Much better hitter, however.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Endy was a defensive stud, ala NLCS, 2006. He played as good D as anyone in the outfield….I remember thinking early last spring that Pagan was totally legit, before his arm fell off…He plays hard and would love to seem him make the roster and stay healthy.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 2:35 pm

If we can keep Pagan out of the stands he should make the club! BTW how is Marlon fairing?……..oh and thank you for getting the focus back on baseball off of the “circus above!”

CaseStreet February 24, 2009 at 2:24 pm

I’m hoping for:

Castro
Cora
Tatis
Pagan
Sullivan

Brock Landers aka The Original Kingman 26 February 24, 2009 at 2:24 pm

Yeah, Pagan as a 5th OF would be pretty good depth I would think….but still, with Beltran, Church, Murphy, and Tatis and Reed, as well as Marlon, he could have a tough time making it…..

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 2:25 pm

Yup – agree.
And TTRS86: What? you believe Endy could have made that catch in the stands AND not have broken his shoulder – lol! Just joking, I, for one, will miss Endy’s defense.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 2:26 pm

i think we all will…but we’ll learn to love JJ’s splitter in Endy’s place!

MetsFan4Decades February 24, 2009 at 2:31 pm

True, true.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:27 pm

I miss the old Endy but the new one was a complete liabiity on offense and that’s not good when you don’t have enough offense on the bench as is.

kistics February 24, 2009 at 2:27 pm

Mets should bring back Endy.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:29 pm

And do what with him? Make him a defense coach? He just can’t hit enough in the NL to carry his weight.

NYMETSFAN718 February 24, 2009 at 2:32 pm

trs,

i dont know if he is as bad a hitter as you say. I mean prior to last season, he hit .287, and .306 the yr before.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 2:35 pm

I’m not certain any of Reed, Pagan or Sullivan will hit any better than Endy either. (This is not a complement to Endy, by the way).

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:35 pm

I think MAYBE with regular playing time Endy gets a little better. However, he’s still a medium average low OBP guy with no pop.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:39 pm

However, what they did get Wanny was 3 guys who were under contract for the same price as 1 Endy.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 2:43 pm

I love Endy as much as the next guy. But it was a no-brainer to include him in the deal for Putz if that’s what was required. And as great of a defender as he is, he is easily replacable.

Any of the three guys are capable of providing 1-2 innings of defense in LF with the same type of slap hitting as Endy.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 2:26 pm

I like Angel but I think he is competing head on with Reed, who is probably a better defender.

While Angel also hits from the right side, it’s not much.

Reed hit plenty in the minors. I can’t help but think that eventually he figures it out in the majors but I won’t hold my breath.

I don’t see Angel taking Marlon’s role, only because Marlon has proven (before last season) that he can hit off the bench. Obviously, the team would be much more versatile with Pagan than Anderson — while Anderson plays multiple positions, he doesn’t play any of them well.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 2:31 pm

I, honestly, don’t know too much about Jeremy Reed so I can’t talk s*** about him, but I know that Tatis isn’t a great OF’er and I;ve seen pics of our new RF and we need someone who is an athlete out there when Church sits…there are so many little nooks out there. I’d rather see Pagan playing RF over Tatis (even though I love Tatis’s bat).

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:33 pm

Reed is supposed to be good on defense. Don’t sleep on Sullivan either, if I remember correctly he had good minor league numbers as well and was known for defense.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm

there is a lot of depth for Manuel to choose from out there at this time….i just remembred being totally impressed with Pagan last year and want to see him pull through. whomever Jerry chooses, though, I’ll be chearing for!

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 2:37 pm

Reed’s got a great rep as a defender but his UZR/150 doesn’t really demonstrate that. Also, he’s played very little on the wings, having played almost entirely in CF.

His minor league stats are startling but he’s had 1000 MLB at bats, in which he’s OPSed under 700. I’m not really sure why I hold out hope for him.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 2:34 pm

You’re right about Marlon, about how he has proven to be a good PH in the past. But, he shoulda been gone after 2008…he’s done. He could be replaced with a real athlete on the bench. I’m just not a Marlon guy…

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 2:41 pm

I won’t be disappointed at all if Marlon is let go in favor of keeping two of Pagan. Reed and Sullivan.

I will be somewhat concerned with whether any of them can contribute as pinch hitters.

But having another capable outfielder on the team will be a benefit, especially when most close games will require a defensive substitute in LF.

I think if two of the three are kept, Pagan has the strongest chance of the three. Even though he’s not impressive as a RH hitter, he at least gives them the option. He also has the most power of the three. Sullivan and Reed seem to me to be clones and there’s no need for the both of them.

irbzyk February 24, 2009 at 2:45 pm

i totally agree.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 2:45 pm

All good points Wanny, and I agree, no need for both Sullivan and Reed.

therealsince86 February 24, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Agreed. I see no reason, however, to keep Marlon. Between Pagan, Sullivan, Reed, Mackawhatever, and even Valentin, Anderson better be playing his butt off.

Mets5rocks February 24, 2009 at 2:50 pm

I agree, if Marlon isn’t showing up as the Marlon of old it’s time to send him packing with all the options the Mets have.

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Just for the sake of it… career as pinch hitter (recognizing that sample sizes were larger for some than others):

Anderson: .275 .340 .413
Mackowiak: .178 .309 .294
Valentin: 213 .295 .324
Kielty: .250 .306 .395
Reed: .225 .244 .275
Pagan: .178 .196 .222
Sullivan: .232 .292 .280

Wanny2 February 24, 2009 at 2:56 pm

For Alex…

Cora: .263 .306 .350

alex.422 February 24, 2009 at 3:28 pm

wanny:

you are a riot..

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