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Pedro Martinez is quoted by the Daily News as saying he would like to return to the Mets, “but I’m not going to go chasing the Mets.”
“I have my goals and I have my things that I want to achieve in life,” Martinez said. “If it’s not with the Mets, it will be with someone else. But if they want a fifth starter who’s been there – I don’t know how much they want me – I’m available.”
Jerry Manuel, on Martinez, while talking to reporters following today’s game in St. Lucie, said:
“Pedro is a Hall of Fame pitcher and one of the greatest pitchers of our time, but I feel very confident in the people we have in camp that they can get the job done. Do you like Pedro? Of course, you love Pedro. But you have to be fair to the people that we have here.”
This morning, in a poll to MetsBlog.com, 58 percent of people said the Mets should sign Martinez to be their fifth starter, while the rest preferred to give the job to either Livan Hernandez, Jon Niese, Tim Redding or Freddy Garcia.
lets see how does against good teams in the wbc instead of just the netherlands
Pedro is the new Manny!
We want Pedro!!!!!!
Pedro is the new Manny!
LOL
I think we would have to see more of Pedro before we do a Pedro march I think he is done
He looked good the other day. I caught one inning, but he looked like he was in good shape and he had some nasty movement on his pitches.
I read that PE-DRO was hitting 91 on the radar gun. So, already he’s throwing harder than Garcia, Redding, and Hernandez.
As far as I am concerned, if Garcia doesn’t show enough this spring, the Mets should essentially cut him and give Pedro that same deal.
Unfortunately, he won’t take it. He said he wants a guaranteed deal or bust.
sign pedro!
I love how now people all want Pedro when months ago the majority wanted no part of him. Considering the 5th starter options I really thought they should have tried to get him locked up earlier and now he’ll probably cost more than they are willing to pay at this point. Its a shame
I think your second sentence explains your first. The majority did not want Pedro before the 5th starter options turned out to be shoddy so far this spring.
Not only that, but his scoreless innings along with hitting 91 on the gun in the WBC has piqued everyone’s interest.
Exactly, Chan Ho san.
The way Jerry says that players have to earn themselves their jobs on the field, I hate to say this, but after Santana, Maine and Pelfrey (and their status will depend on their healths), our rotation is a joke until if and when any of them prove otherwise. C’mon – do we even dare let Garcia make a roster and pay him a guaranteed 8.5 million? Redding with his 135.00 ERA? Livan – Old Duque #2? That guy should be with Jim Bowden in purgatory somewhere – maybe Omar should be there, too – I dunno. Excuse my grumpiness, but it’s that time of year – most of our team is in the WBC. It was a nice touch of Jerry to say that once these players represent their nations, that they should be sure to represent Mets nation with the same pride and care. I just don’t think that both are possible and by all of them abandoning ship, they have left my team with a bunch of scrubs, who can barely, if even, beat the likes of U Michigan, Italy, the Nationals and the Orioles. None of these games count and this is what ST is for. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and mine is that I find it quite depressing to see a majority of you at Metsblog answering polls in these last few months so much in support of re-signing Oliver Perez and Pedro. Aren’t you the same ones that wanted our team revamped after the last two years of disgrace? I still do and I’m disgusted by this. At the same time, all I can do is hope that things go well in 09 for the NY Mets and we have some fun along the way.
Good post cver! But then I ‘m no big fan of
Omars.Except for a revamped Pen,this
is the same team which disapointed last
year.
Fong buddy, hate to disagree, but the revamped pen is HUGE in my opinion.
If we had an average KRod and JJ year last year instead of what we had, the season would, in all likelihood, have been very, very different.
And citing Redding’s ERA in an utterly meaningless exhibition against college kids is really, really serious pessimism. Redding is a major leaguer and knows he can get college kids out. For all we know, he spent the entire outing working on a new pitch he will never throw. Jerry and Omar weren’t gping to judge him as the 5th starter favorite if he pitched 2 or 3 great innings against college kids.
And it is really only March 9—in 3 weeks time, Redding and The Chief could be looking very good.
As for Pedro, his attitude really repulses me. We paid him like 35 million for three years of rotten pitching and rehabbing injuries, and he is not going to “go chasing the Mets?” After what the Mets gave him and what he produced the last 3 years, he should be calling Omar and offering himself for a Glavine-like 1 million/incentive-laden deal.
Hey Brock. I totally agree with you on Redding. It was they guy’s first outing in an ST game. Who cares about his ERA?
Agreed, and the opposition makes it even more meaningless…..we should at least see what he does in one or two outings against full-grown, adult major leaguers…..
if garcia makes 8.5mil, that means Garcia is pitching like a stud. He only get $1.5mil if he makes the 40man roster.
At this point(and its still early)he likely
shouldnt and I dont think will
make the team.Part of cvers point i think though is wheres the improvement w/the
rotation w/either Garcia or Redding who just
isn’t a very good pitcher in that 5 spot.
Also,as much as we hope Murphy will be special and Alou was injury prone and couldn’t be trusted is our LF situation better
going in then it was last yr?
Nice job. I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. I hear you on the grumpiness. For the record I was for Lowe first then Ollie but would have been OK with Garland. What’s frustrating me this ST is could we at least get a look at Parnell or Holt? I know they’re both not in the plans for this years rotation, Parnell may never be since they seem to be steering him to the pen, but could they humor us with a sneak preview. It would be more interesting then watching a replay of Brandon Knight.
Definitely agree with you re Parnell. Guy’s got great stuff.
Parnell has pitched and hasn’t look particularly good.
You have to give these guys a chance. Pedro looked good, but I doubt the neatherlands could seriously compete with the university of michigan. I know they got a win against the dominican republic, but they scored 3 runs on 3 hits. Basically the DR beat themselves.
Let pedro pitch some more, then we can talk.
i don’t get it. you’re upset about the WBC because it’s impact the ST games?
Garcia wouldn’t be guaranteed $8.5 mil for making the roster.
Livan Hernandez is hardly El Duque #2
YES Gland! because if there was a team which really needed a full spring together
it was us! With what happened last yr,Jerry
in charge for his first camp and preaching
all this team first stuff which Matt reminded us
time and again the first couple weeks it would
have been nice to have our full squad together.Or atleast half of it.
b/t/w, Livan is twice the Hernandez Duque
was,Size wise.
well if Matt reminded us then it must be true.
I’m not a big fan of the WBC either. I think, especially for pitchers, it can end up leading to injuries. But to complain about it because now the team isn’t winning ST games is absurd.
I’m not and I dont think cver is complaing
about it because of lack of victories.
I dont like as I’ve said here many times
b/c theres nothing in it for us!
Just risk no reward!
And I dont want to see it happen but I’ll be
very interested to see the reaction of fans,
mgmt and the MLB if some Star goes down
with a season changing injury while”representing” his country and still being
paid by his team.
Not big on the WBC either, although I’m watiching it. While watching it was just wonderful watching Alex Cora lean his knee in to take a pitch off of it that would have been ball 4. Would he have leaned in to take one off the knee to insure getting on base in ST? Don’t think so. It was a nice little small ball play that I can’t wait to see in season, but not in an exhibition tournament.
Well, while I would ideally LOVE to be seeing JJ and KRod and everyone else in FLA bonding and doing their work, I have to say, the WBC seems to mean a lot to a lot of people.
The win by the Dutch may have woken up an entire country to baseball. The Japanese and Cubans and Dominicans and Venezuelans are surely enjoying this tournament tremendously.
I wish there was a way to have the WBC in November, after the WS, and hopefully that can be the eventual way it is done.
As much as I’d love to see the Met regulars in camp, how can you not love some of the WBC games? You must not be a baseball fan, just a Met fan.
This Netherlands vs. PR game tonight – best I’ve seen yet. I cannot get over the grit of these young Netherlands pitchers. So far, they’ve got out of jam after jam, still up 1-0.
That might end shortly though with bases loaded – again for PR – with one out…..
i’ve been saying this for years, most people AREN’T fans of baseball, they’re just Met fans, and to me, that’s kind of sad. They can’t enjoy baseball unless the Mets are winning. Sure, I’m upset when the Mets lose, but I can always enjoy baseball.
Of course we are METS FANS. Would we be here if we were not? I am NOT a baseball fan I am a NETS fan. I don’t really care who wins the WS if the METS are not in it and I don’t care about any other team than the METS. I think the WBC is a joke, and its jst a glorified all-star game. It does not mean anything and I dont care at all. I watch the USA play because it better than the spring games with kids I never heard of. I dont really like watching Jimmy Rollins, Derek Jeter and Chipper Jones play alongside of D Wright. As far as I go, if these players are in the MLB they are American players, they take American money and play on American teams in the USA. I cannot get worked up or excited about this thing and I dont really care who wins, just get back to camp and play some real games. I think that most fans would agree with me. You are a fan of your team and not other teams. Red Sox fans don’t care what happens on the Braves or who is playing. I tune in ti see the METS play, not the team we are playing against. LETS GO METS !!!
darkstar is right. That’s just kind of sad. As I like the All Star game too, I guess that proves my point of being a fan of baseball vs. just being a Met fan.
I’m a die hard Met fan but I enjoy baseball as a whole. You probably don’t watch the post season games either if the Mets aren’t in it….
Doesn’t Oliver Perez count?
Thanks for all the great replies, which I want to reply to and make a few clarifications. I’ll take the last one first. Ollie Perez counts as part of the non-revamp. He could end up better or worse than what we’ve seen, but he could be a case of “what you see is what you get”, which isn’t particularly bad, but certainly not worth more than 7 million a season. I have been having problems finding out info about Garcia’s contract other than he is guaranteed 1.5 mil if he makes the 40 man and another 6.5 can kick in with incentives, so my 8.5 mil figure clearly was wrong, but I’m not sure how much more he is guaranteed once he makes a 25 man rotation, which is what I’m concerned with. Of Garcia, Redding and Livan, it is actually Redding who I have had the most “confidence”, if any, in and yes, it’s not really fair to count his performance against the U Mich – just that, in my view, he might be the most promising of those 3, and that’s where he’s at as of March 10th. No biggy – hoping he’ll be good. I’m just saying our rotation has the potential to be very thin, if things don’t go well. If things go perfectly, Santana, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey and Niese sound very good to me – it’s just that it’s asking a lot – “getting money back from Bernie Madoff” asking a lot. Maybe for the Wilpons, it’s like for the rest of the world right now. Maybe they’re priority isn’t seeing the Mets win – just making enough money to stay afloat. It’s just that the Met fans (yes, and I’m, to some degree, a sports fan and a baseball fan, but it all centers around being a Mets fan) deserve, considering how scarce the money will be that they’ll have to shell out and the last couple of seasons, extra effort to put a team up there that WILL win! If the Mets had made the playoffs last season, what would have happened? Would Santana have continued to hide his injury and pitch and risk further damage and maybe never be the same? Why has he had no MRI yet and I heard yesterday that he was throwing his slider often, being described as the pitch that puts a lot of stress on his elbow-in-question, under only the eyes of Jeff Wilpon? Hopefully, he is fine, but it just seems that the Wilpons haven’t learned too much about medical issues with their players or protecting their investments.
I think the major negative with Pedro is that he offers much less flexibility to change your mind. If Garcia or Livan are given the job, they can always be released. Redding can go to the pen. Niese to the minors.
But Pedro cannot be released because he’s Pedro. He can’t be sent to the minors. It would create an awkward situation if he struggled and Manuel and Omar would end up giving him extra chances based on his history that he might not deserve based on his current performance.
If I thought Pedro would come in and win 15 games, then obviously you can forget about flexibility. But I don’t think he would do that.
So I’d rather see Garcia struggle and be released as they call up Livan and then repeat and call up Niese, etc. Because in the end, we know the best pitcher will eventually get a shot.
Redding can go to the Pen and do WHAT?
Pitch to a 5era like he has his entire career.
The upside potential of a healthy,fully recovered Pedro is far greater then any of
these other guys.
The cynical Met side of me is always going to think if we sign him he’ll get hurt, if we don’t he’ll win 18 games for the Dodgers or somebody. It’s that Met’s fan conditioning of nearly 40 years. I’d still sign him if he gets out of the WBC in one piece. Just on the axiom, you can never have enough pitching.
That’s very well said, and I totally agree.
The other thing about Pedro is his injury history. Last year too he was supposedly “totally healthy” and ready to win 15. And then he blew his hammy right away. He’s older now and much more succeptible to injury. As much as I love him I don’t feel comfortable counting on him.
He’s your El Duque #2 at this point
Totally agree ags412….and I truly believe that from the pool of Redding/The Chief/Livan/Niese, we will get more from one or more of them than we would get from Pedro.
And I will truly be unhappy if they give him a guaranteed contract for several million after giving him 35 mil for close to nothing the last 3 years.
Take the several mil and get Ohman or Beimal and keep strengthening the pen. That’s the best way to lessen the potential impact of a bad 5th starter scene. After all, we made it an inning from the WS with a horrid 5th starter scene in 2006 with a good pen.
If PED-RO is healthy, he’ll pitch fine, especially for a 5th. If he’s not healthy, then he’ll go on the DL for whatever amount of time, in which case, you go with on of the others.
Not unreasonable Brock.
Will say though That the Pedro signing and
the Wagner one as well were no brainers which had to be made.And you know this
comes from no great defender of Omar.
I completely agree, 100%. I was ecstatic when we signed each of them, especially Pedro. I loved him in 2005, and was very patient in 2006, and excited with his finish in 2007. But when he started out 2008 by getting shelled by the Marlins and getting hurt AGAIN on opening day, I had had enough of him.
And I guess I am an idealist here, but I think Pedro could have set a shining example in a world of greedy athletes and in a horrid economy by offering himself on a low-$, incentive-based deal.
I was also thrilled with Wagner, and hope he comes back to make a great pen even stronger in August or September.
And most likely no Beltran if Petey didn’t sign with us. He’d probably be wearing an Astro’s uni after the Yanks decided not to go for him.
I don’t understand why so many people dog redding as a 5th starter or a long reliever…last year he hit a wall in innings pitched, yet had an era under 4 till the end of july, while on arguably the worst team in baseball.
Not many teams can be upset to have a pitcher like that fighting for a spot (not guaranteed) and with the starting pitching depth problems the mets have had recently, I would say the more the merrier….if pedro or someone like odalis perez were willing to take a cheap deal to fight for that spot or spell an injury then im all for that too
it’s because most people are reactionary whiners who don’t have enough patience for these kinds of thing. I mean, we’re throwing out Redding after one spring training start with him coming off of an injury? I mean, c’mon.
True, true. I’d keep Redding but I’d prefer him in long relief / start spotting. I’m having little confidence in Garcia or Hernandez so far and would go with Niese or go for Pedro if they don’t show improvement. Thanks for the calibration, I’m getting impatient waiting for the season to start.
Not to mention a spring start against a college team…most of the same people judging Redding here would probably be the first to throw out the start if he had done well!
Can we please move on from this guy please? How many times does he have to suck before fans get it drilled into their heads that the Mets have to turn the page. He gave the Mets one good season, and even then he tanked when they needed him most. Enough already!
VOTE FOR PED-RO!
For greedy ingrate of the day?
He gets my vote!!
Pedro!
Petey!
PLEASE bring Pedro back. He’s the man. He’ll figure a way out to master this game again and I want the Mets to reap the benefit.
We paid big for his years where he was learning to pitch without throwing gas.
Now he will WIN, he’s learned his limitations, PLEASE OMAR BRING PETEY BACK!!!!!
It’s a hypocritical no-win situation with some fans “Win or Lose”.
Opening Day can’t come soon enough so all this hypothetical b.s. can be put to rest already.
Let’s see if all of Minaya’s post season moves or non-moves will pay off.
Let’s see if not getting Hudson or Lowe or trading for Marquis or signing D.Reyes or God forbid dare I say Manny or Dunn was smart or not.
April 6 will be here soon enough and we will be able to put all this to rest and see if
2009 is our year finally after back2back heartbreaking seasons and 23 years since our last Championship.
You hear that?
-clock is ticking ever so closer I can’t wait
I think we should sign Pedro. He brings something extra that Livan, Freddy Garcia and Redding cannot bring together and that is his swagger. Even, when Pedro was throwing 83-85, he was competing and giving the team a chance to win. Now he seems to be throwing harder and the ball comes out of his hand with a different kind of flexibitily. I think he is healthy and will do a lot better than what we have right now. Omar, sign Pedro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will not regret it.
Omar, sign Pedro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will not regret it.
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You can never have enough pitching. I am for signing Pedro and sending Garcia, Hernandez, and Niese to Buffalo to be on call.
Generally speaking, I’m interested in signing who ever it is that could help our team. With all due respect to Pedro, I see him as a guy who can expand our depth, but with Niese, if you count Parnell too, we’re up to 8 or 9 SP. Pedro probably wouldn’t be guaranteed a spot on this team, because he hasn’t been in ST. He’d have to go to an extended ST. I don’t think his numbers against the Netherlands should be exaggerated upon. Pedro’s ego is probably too high to throw a pitch in Buffalo, so I don’t think this will work.
When it came to last season with Pedro, I shrieked down the stretch watching this guy. I thought we’d lose every time we went out on the mound. In September, I was begging for Figueroa or Knight to take his starts. The Mets needed some new blood, even if some of the ”drained blood” was somewhat talented. Endy, Easley, Pedro and Joe Smith were also decent role player’s in their respects that could have been retained, but seeing them go isn’t the worse thing. If you include the departures of Heilman, Schoenweis and Ayala (or Wagner), that’d leave the Mets with 7 of 25 new players, which is almost 30% of the roster.
I don’t know about pedro but I do Know That The guys they have lined up for the 5th starter aren’t exactly getting me excited.
I can see Omar going in another direction.I will say this-lets see a few more performances by these guys before we really write them off
If they’re willing to pitch each guy on normal rest, they could get through the first 25 games, until May 5, only using the 5 pitcher three times. Although I’m not necessarily impressed with any one pitcher, I’m alright with who we got. It’s not like the Phillies got a whole lot going on with their 5 SP (Kendrick, Happ, Park) either…
hey lets remember, its not how you start, its how you finish – ill welcome the tiny bumps in the road now (santana,pelfrey,maine, enter unimpressive 5th starter here), just as long as we finish this thing !!!
and let me just be clear i think redding is the best option for the 5th spot, and will be nice shot in the arm every 5th day
just think of 06 – no one was expecting jose valentin to have any impact, yet he was key to the teams success
in 07 – man, i think of nothing but pain from this year – so its hard to remember anyone unexpected to stand out besides joe smith
and in 08 – did anyone think ryan church would be any good? who was daniel murphy? mike pelfrey? wasnt he a bust before he broke out (according to some people)? what about tatis!?!
lets let this thing play out – ya gotta win the games somehow, and someone different will step up – ya gotta believe
Well said. I’ve never paid much attention to spring training until this year, probably because I started reading this site everyday last year. It’s amazing just how ‘life and death’ people make ST out to be. Relax folks. Honestly, I’m not going to be overly concerned about anything unless someone gets seriously hurt or if they sputter badly at the beginning of the season. Until then, baseball is back and I’m happy.
I mentioned this last week. I love Metsblog, but we have to realize the effect of the blog age. Before we heard VERY little from ST. The small injuries, the pitchers getting rocked, the comments from players, none of that was heard unless it was MAJOR news. Church having ice on his knee….. not major news. Santana being pushed back a week after coming back from surgery, not major news. None of this injury stuff has been major with the exception of now maybe Pagan, and honestly in the past we would not have known that either.
So while I love the coverage, we also have to understand that this is what ST IS and just be patient.
Exactly right, TRS. It’s nice that there are constantly new topics of conversation during ST to lead us up to the regular season, but it’s still a bunch of non-issues. Heck, doesn’t Johan traditionally get shelled in ST? How does that work out for us in the regular season again…? I just can’t wait for the regular season to start already!
Agreed, and what team would not take it slow with a pitcher coming back from surgery that is signed for 6+ more years at a VERY high salary?
Great, great point TRS, and one we should all keep in mind….every time a Met player sneezes, we have Matt and Mike and Ted and others making a post about it, and 100 of us commenting on it…..it is ST, AND it is still just early March!
Let’s Do This in ‘09!! (c)reilly
It’s also kinda sad how eager some are to declare our season over already. I mean, I’m a serious pessimist (as being a Mets fan teaches you to be), but I’ll be waiting until at LEAST June to declare us dead. :p
There is one as-sumption that everyone seems to be making that I don’t think is true.
It is that the pool of possible #5 starters is redding, livan, garcia and neise (although I guess people are lumping Pedro into that now).
But, IMO, it is still possible that Omar brings in someone else if it looks like all the existing options aren’t going to be getting it done. Could be a trade (not that I know for who!), someone that gets released, or even a different minor leaguer (Parnell, Gee, both unlikely but who knows!)
Still too early in ST though to really know.
I hope though that Garcia just flames out. Way too big a contract for him to come in and pitch average to poor but get a lot of starts.
180 IP with a 5.00 ERA isn’t very good value for 8 million.
Garcia would not get that much for that performance. It’s not just innings based but even then I think he has to pitch over 225 innings to get even close to that amount. He will get 1.5 IF he makes the team.
As far as bringing someone in, I don’t see it being anyone but Pedro or Odalis. We have too many options that could give #5 starter numbers to go out and waste a prospect. If Omar was that concerned about it he would have gotten a guy like Wolf for a little more money.
Garcia could earn $1.5 million based on days on the active major league roster: $250,000 for 30 and the same amount for each additional 30. He would get $250,000 each for 120, 130, 140, 150 and 160 innings; and $500,000 apiece for 170, 180, 190 and 200 innings. In addition, he would get $250,000 each for 10, 15 and 20 starts; and $500,000 each for 25 and 30 starts.
So 180 innings and 30 starts would get him around 5 million.
But the issue is that if he is stinking it up, they would most likely try Redding, Livan or Niese before trotting him out there for 30 starts.
OK, 5 million then.
Say Livan stinks and gets cut, and Neise gets sent back to AAA for needed seasoning, with garcia winning the job (by default?) if Redding isn’t ready in time, so redding to the pen where he does a good job.
So, Garcia ends up being the 5th starter, and if he puts up normal 5th starter #s (the 180 IP, high 4’s to 5 ERA), he likely keeps the job (since they aren’t going to release him).
So, they could esasily end up paying 5 mill for that production out of the 5 hole.
Which is actually about what a #5 starter has been valued at in past years. This year, maybe a little much. But there is also the potential with Garcia for it to be better than #5 numbers.
Well, considering Garcia’s fastball is topping out in the mid-80s, I don’t think ‘flame’ is a word that should be associated with him. ;-)
Well, considering Garcia’s fastball is topping out in the mid-80s, I don’t think ‘flame’ is a word that should be a$$ociated with him. ;-)
That’s why I would rather cut him loose if he doesn’t look any better than this by the end of the spring.
Absolutely agreed.
Stick do you honestly think that if he looks like this all ST they will still go with him? There’s a lot of if’s in your theory. IF Niese shows he is not ready, IF Redding is still injured, IF Livan is some how pitching worse than Garcia is right now….. That’s a lot of IF’s for him to even MAKE the team.
Dump Schneider.
Sign Pedro and Pudge.
Play Pudge and Shrek equal time at catcher.
At the end of the year, Pedro will prove to be a solid 2, and Pelfrey will be a 3/4 (suffering a sophmore slump).
If Pedro gets signed, I will buy a Pedro bobblehead doll to help defray the costs.
Can’t “dump” Schnieder he makes too much money.
Also, you have just made your catching staff the 38 year old Pudge and the injured backup Castro. That means you stand a great chance of competing much of the season with Cancel on the team.
If you want Pudge then keep Schnieder, try and trade Castro and if not then keep him as a RHPH for the bench.
As for the Pedro comment? Seriously a solid #2? He has a better chance of looking like plain #2 as in crap than he does returning to a #2 pitcher.
Question:
How much do you value Nady? and how much do you value Murphy?
I have not really thought this through, but Murphy is a natural 3B. We also may want to jettison Scheider (or Shrek).
(I betcha you know where I am going with this…).
What about the Mets trade Murphy and Schneider for XNady. I am not saying Scheider is needed to get the deal done, but rather as a salary dump.
This would be a minor addition of cost to acquire Nady. Nady is in his walk year so will be playing hard. He has played in NY and excelled.
Removing Scheider makes room for pudge.
I dont like losing Murphy, but to be honest you dont really know what he has, and he really does not have a defensive position that works for the Mets.
I would be intrigued by the return of Nady’s bat in the lineup.
Actually, Yankees need a power bat to replace AROD more than they need a natural 3B.
Wow that’s a terrible idea. Murphy will put up similar production and is under contract cheap for years. Nady did not do that great for the Yankee’s and is a FA at the end of the year.
I would send them Castro, Sanchez and Tatis. Yes lots of crap for 1 pieces of slightly above average crap.
What was intriguing was last nights game: Beltran on 3rd, Delgado on 1st and Pudge at the plate…. A guy can dream, can’t he?
“You know what? My phone is off. And I won’t (call Minaya) unless he calls my agent (Fernando Cuza) or he calls me. I have a lot of respect for Omar and the Mets, but I’m not going to go chasing the Mets. I’m not in that bad of shape. I’m okay and they know I am okay. Yeah, I would like to be back (with the Mets). But I’m not just gonna follow the Mets. They have their own plans and they have their own thought process. Yes, I would love to go (to Citi Field) and hopefully have the same success I had at Shea. Shea was a great stadium for me. I hope the new Shea pretty much follows up on the old one. But I have my goals and I have my things that I want to achieve in life. If it’s not with the Mets, it will be with someone else. But if they want a fifth starter who’s been there – I don’t know how much they want me – I’m available.”
Seriously Pedro? Your phone is off and you want Omar to call you?
You had a lot of success at Shea? What’s a lot? You have not done a lot of anything in years. You have not even pitched enough to do a lot of bad. You have had a lot of sitting at Shea? Is that what you mean?
I was entertained by the thought of Pedro but based on these comments this is exactly what we don’t need in the clubhouse. It’s like the guy think WE owe HIM something.
REAL, I dont see it that way.
I actually think the Pedro feels he owes the Mets and its fans something. And that is why he wants to come back and repay us for the unconditional love that we gave him.
By “not chasing the Mets” This entire quote sounds like a spoiled brat.
I totally agree…..35 million the last 3 years for mediocre to rotten pitching and for rehabbing injuries, and for being completely unreliable.
Pedro has shown his true color of green, and green only.
Good riddance Pedro.
I guess his idea of ’success’ is averaging 20 starts and 121 IP over four seasons for us. Wow, what a skewed definition.
I might take that
Yeah, but those averages are way higher than they would be if you take away that first year he pitched for us: 31 starts, 217 IP. The rest of his time here was more or less garbage. It’s time to move on and let the young guys inherit the team.
Agreed, at this point just give it to Niese and take our lumps over paying Pedro to be Pedrolight.
Pedro was once a great pitcher with an attitude. Now all he’s left with is his attitude.
GO AWAY….
I actually agree. This comment totally turned me from ANY interest in Pedro. We don’t need any more of those type of over powering influences in what will soon be Wright, Reyes, and Santana’s clubhouse.
He cracked 90 MPH. More than can be said for some of the other 5th starter candidates
So we should get him based on an espn gun during the WBC? Seriously? He hit 90 last year with absolutely no control over any of his pitches.
Oh great, he top 90, go get him signed.. his attitude was entertaining while he was dominant and a beast now he;s just an 5.50 ERA guy who’s no longer view as nothing more than a loogy.. if he was THAT great he’d signed by now and not have to “showcase” how improved he is.. humble is ur bets ally. he’s not humble at all, and since he’s a mediocre pitcher makes him a JERK..
Is he seriously a Lefthanded only guy?
lol, sorry, i was gonna write a bum or garbage but that’s the only term “not offensive” i could come up with,
Feel free today Alex, after that quote he deserves it. Not to mention I can call him that because he is unemployed, so bum works for me.
Totally agree alex…..
Pedro was once a great pitcher with an attitude. Now all he’s left with is his attitude.
lol true, I feel bad for him though. It’s a shame how he fell apart after 2005.
at first me 2, but is OBVIOUS is about the money with this guy now, i wonder if he’d say the same thing if he gets shell by a team.. his attitude needed to be left out in boston..
Kicked: makes far more sense to dump Castro in the deal. Not the platoon factor as much as the castro getting hurt factor. Murphy should approach X-man’s production rather quickly and is under contract. X-man is a year away from walking. Why help the Yankees? You havea kid who can easily turn into John Olerud. Can’t teach plate discipline. He’s learned the strike zone at an early age. SHould put up good average & OBP. Think he’ll end up with Olerud power too, 20-25 HR per year. I honestly think he’ll be our 1B in 2010
X played 3 games for SD in 2005 at 3B. I bet they’re thinking about it
Not only the attitude in this quote from Pedro but also the comment that he would refuse to take a Glavine/Garcia type deal. Pedro, why would anyone trust your health and current ability enough to give you guarnteed money?
Also, I don’t get why we are always all over Elduque for being old and injured when he has been good since Pedro has? Until his injury in 2007 Elduque was a stud that year.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want either but the way that Pedro is being praised as a currently good pitcher that is a lock for #3 or better numbers is starting to get to me.
Everyone wants to say that he’ll have a good season, but no one wants to back it up by paying the man. Sorry Pedro, you’re done. Please take the money you got from us and go away. After so many years, the Mets are finally having the youth movement I’ve been waiting for, and I want to be able to enjoy it.
Agreed, there is not even one stat that proves he will have a decent year. He’s as big of a questionmark as Niese, Redding, Garcia and Livan and is some of those cases even more of a question mark. Yet he wants more money than all of them.
yeah, that bother me as well, i was like “who the h*** this guy thinks he is??” he stole pretty much 40 million from us and he is saying how he should get paid??
GO AWAY..
I actually agree and now sound like one of you guys. But the guy is offically on my bad side. Lets give it to Niese and let him take his lumps if they think he will be there next year. Or to Redding who said he just wanted to be here, relief or SP. Or to Livan who took basically nothing to be here and have a chance to win. Enough with Elduque#2.
Wow, you both are taking the words right out of my mouth….I COMPLETELY agree.
And I can see it now, just like last year, Pedro’s 1st game back, he gets shelled for homers and XBhits all over the place and then gets hurt and spends a few more months counting dough under the mango tree…..
Redding, The Chief, Livan, Niese—-there has to be a fine 5th starter situation in there somewhere.
Yeah, his pride is what really was hurt, cryin coz he couldn’t deliver for us, please stay away and go away.. U BUM..
Did anyone see Evan’s pinch hit grandslam yesterday…he absolutely mashed that pitch
I would love to have him on the bench as a backup for Delgado, extra OF and a RH bat off the bench.
as far as pedro’s comments, I agree with thereal…it came off as bratty and as if “we need him yet he doesn’t necessarily need us”
irked me a bit
I am mixed on the idea of Evans. It just depends on if they see him as a longterm fulltime replacement for Delgado. If so then let him get his AB’s. However, if they think he will always just be a role player then there are enough AB’s to justify him being a RH backup OF/1B. He could get time in LF, RF and 1B as well as be a primary RHPH option.
So our bench would be what?
Castro
Tatis
Cora
Anderson
Evans
That leaves us one OF short, someone that can actually play defense like Reed. Thus it would have to be either Marlon OR Evans unless they carry 6?
I agree completely, the bench will come down to Marlon or Nick. Evans is somewhat of a duplicate of Tatis, so they will probably go with Marlon to start the year.
even if Evans is only seen as a bench/role player there is plenty to be gained by getting 400 PA’s in AAA instead of 150 in the bigs. I would prefer to see him in AAA working on his versatlity and comfort level not playing everyday and pinch hitting.
NEWS: Duaner Sanchez has been released
Look at Lennon’s newsday blog.
Well, there goes 1.7 mill in the payroll.. i feel bad for him, but he didn’t help his case.. throwing 85 with a 80 mph change up wasn’t good either.. good bye duaner
Actually Alex, and you may be refering to this, but it saved us a lot in payroll. Should free up plenty of money to go get Ohman now.
god help us is ohman and not you know who.. and give that person that retirement plan he’s looking for..
You have to wonder if clearing this cash means they’ll go after another free agent reliever, like Ohman – or if they’ll just stick someone in the system.
Good news! Clear out ALL the crap from last year’s pen!
Thanks for this good news Prismo.
And if we sign Ohman or Beimel, even the last remnant of last year’s horror show, Feliciano, will be on a short leash.
I agree, in some ways I wanted Feliciano gone more than any of them.
To be continued on the Sanchez thread.
even the last remnant of last year’s horror show, Feliciano, will be on a short leash.
LMAO..
Mets release Sanchez. I wanted to give him a pass on last year because it was his first year back, but the early signs showed no improvement this year, so this was a wise move.
Star-Ledger reports the same. Good riddance, his fastball was topping out at 83 mph yesterday.
I really wanted him traded but with a FB like that he had NO trade value. Take the money and sign Ohman. Then you basically traded Sanchez for Ohman, good trade.
our current pitching staff:
Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Ollie, Redding (by default), Stokes, Feliciano, Green, Putz, K-Rod.
Who else will fill those 2 spots?
cross off Niese and Garcia, cross off Parnell or any other prospect.
a.s.s.uming that no other players are brought in its either Livan or Figueroa and they’ll start with 6 in the pen…
If we’re going to name a 5th start off of one good outing in the WBC then Elmer Dessens should be the 5th starter.
6 IP, 3 hits, 0 BB where is the love!!! ;)
Are any rumors still out there concerning us and Ohman?
Sign Pedro as the fifth starter, keep Livan for the bullpen, cut Redding, and sign Pudge before you blow that too.