The Mets (6–6) lost to the Brewers, 4–2, in Citi Field today.
For a full recap and boxscore, go to SNY.tv.
The least you should know…
- Nelson Figueroa pitched six innings, allowed three runs and fits. He was designated for assignment after the game.
- Carlos Delgado hit home Daniel Murphy with an opposite-field, two-out, two-strike double off the left-field wall.
- The Brewers scored on a Mike Cameron home run, a sac-fly, a fielder’s choice and a single from Rickie Weeks.
Other Observations…
- I feel the Mets will do something special on days when they were the blue hats and pinstripes – unfortunately, this is not always the case.
- Daniel Murphy had three more hits, and continues to look like a professional hitter… especially hitting the other way.
- I find it easy to root for Figueroa, who I wish the Mets could find a permanent spot for.
- Yet one more fan leaned over to interfere with a fly ball down the line, which Murphy may have caught. Folks, please keep your hands inside the car. Naturally, Mike Cameron hit a home run in the following at bat. Come on, people. Help the Mets, don’t hurt ‘em.
- Watching an eventual loss on DVR is the worst.
- I had no issue with keeping Tatis in to hit with runners on base, since he had been such a clutch hitter in the past, though a bunt from Luis Castillo could have been handy.
- Apparently, the sun is a problem during day games for the right fielder, though Gary Sheffield did a nice job, albeit jockeying for position, on two separate pops ups. The Brewers outfielder did not have the same luck, letting a ball accidentally drop, which Jose Reyes turned in to a triple.
- The Mets were 2 for 13 with runners in scoring position, and, while it’s early, I wonder when this starts to become a concern for management. It’s like the entire offense is just out of sync – every time I get on the edge of my seat and think, ‘OK, this is it,’ some one grounds out and the inning is over.
- Brewers closer Todd Coffey, who grew up a Mets fan, pitched in three innings for his first save of the season.
The Mets are off tomorrow – they return to action on Tuesday against the Cardinals in St. Louis with Oliver Perez on the mound.
The interferance call actually did help the mets… Daniel Murphy had a very tough play there and the umpire awarded the out to the mets… the call had nothing to do with mike cameron hitting the next pitch over the fence.
agreed. They awarded murph the out anyway so the fan interferance really doesnt matter unless your arguing for the brewers.
And of course the Phils and Fish come from behind to win.
ugh please edit this post matt – it says mets 4 brewers 2 and i was just confused the whole time
I don't know that I agree with Tatis bunting (or hitting Castillo for him), unfortunately it was a terrible at bat for Tatis. The two double plays were just bad luck for us.
Matt, you need a vacation already or something? Putting the wrong team on an earlier post (Padres instead of Brewers) and now Mets 4 Brewers 2. Jeez.
Mets just have to get the big hit with RISP, the double plays in back to back innings to end the rally ended any chances for a win. The one at the third baseman (Bill Hall?) with runners in motion was just bad luck, but somebody needs to step up and bring those guys in when they get opportunities like those.
yeah I know, our success just relies on the lineup being able to get the "window dressed" square uppercut when RISP. The Mets get many runners on the pond on 2nd and 3rd granted their are two outs but plenty of times the bats fell short over the couple of games. Once the team clicks offensively then the Mets will win many games even with a weak start from anyone else other than Santana.
We're really gonna need "Good" Ollie to show up against STL on tuesday night. Mets missed the sweep here, but can get some good mojo going with a win in the series opener.
He's gonna lay an egg. You watch. This team sucks right now.
im sure thats the counter arguement and thats why shef is in there instead of church but imo that was textbook managing. castillo beat out a bunt a few games ago and he is a much better bunter than tatis. Imo ya gotta bunt there and take away the dp ball. They are probably not going to run a wheelhouse so its castillos speed vs bill hall throw and im sure bill will win, but now you have 2nd and 3rd with 1 out and omir santos who had been 2-3 to that point.
There should have been a butn whether it was tatis or castillo. still, can they bring in a run! they're getting in prime spots, delgado up with 1 out bases full, but they just can't do it. no matter who it is! Clearly its in their heads. If you bunt successfully, then you put th emets in prime position to score "Mets Runs", maybe a wild pitch, a balk, a sac fly or a broundout, but it changes the dynamic of the inning. The second i heard ont he radio no bunt for tatis, i knew the inning was over. its sad, but its true.
well castillo is a much better bunter than tatis. All im saying is that they would have had at least a chance to tie the game with a runner on 3b with 1 out and a hot omir santos at the plate.
Listen, I agree with ypou that castillo should have been buntin, but my issue is that this is an issue. Obviously uif tatis comes through or moves the runners up this never comes up. My issue is the timely hitting. how do you have 10 hits and 1 run? you'd think if nothing else, just by sheer probability, they would be able to drive in a run. you;d think eventually soem1 would be forced to whether by accident or on ppurpose to get a ball airborn when needed or hit a ball too hard to defend. its just sickening to watch this team. its not that they score 1 run, but they had a chance to score 4 without even adding another hit.
oh yea totally fire hiting with runners on has been atrocious at best. I think wright is taking a bit to get on the ball but he is coming around. I would play with the lineup a bit and get some rbi guys going but im not the manager. I would start by having beltran in 3hole and wright in 5 spot.
Lol, "Mets Runs". Totally agree. Whatever happened to good old fashioned 3 or 4 hits in a row?
Not saying you are wrong either but I can see what Manuel is trying. It didn't work. That's all. Your point is defintitely valid. In my opinion it wasn't a huge deal. As it was happening I wasn't jumping up and down. But I'm just a guy not a ML manager, lol.
niether am i lol but the players are in the business of doing their best at the plate while the manager is in the business of winning games. They do by putting the right players in the best position to do just that. I know why he left tatis in there and why shef is starting over a hot church, but i would have liked him to use text book managing to win the game and experiment with those players in a lower level situation. We lost a game that we didnt have to and thats why im upset. Was that the only reason we lost, no of course not..we left alot of people on base but late in the game you gotta play to win and he didnt do it.
The problem is that we are getting the best people in the best overall situations, and yet they are still failing in those situations!
id take my chances with a runner on 3b and a 2-3 santos at the plate to at least hit one far enough for BELTRAN to get in. Guess we will never know….hell the brewers announcers were pretty much yelling the play to manuel!
can anyone explain to me y manuel didt bunt with tatis in the eigth 2 on no1 out down by 1 it makes no sense 2 me
Yes. Manuel screwed up, that's why the runners weren't moved over on a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice bunt is the play because:
1. Advances both runners on base into scoring position with less than two out. The lead runner represented the tying run, and the runner on second the winning run. AND we finally have a bullpen that can hold a lead.
2. It prevents the doubleplay.
The only rational explanation is that Jerry Manuel screwed up and made the wrong decision. He certainly didn't make the right decision.
im putting them in a position where they dont need a hit…just a long flyout where a hitter that went 2-3 for the day should be able to do…
well beltran is not going to run unless he is 100% sure he will make it and i dont want beltran running in taht spot in the 8th. Reyes im sure would like to run more but i dont think manuel wants him too…i dont know why. When was the last time reyes drag bunted for a hit….
i'm not saying necessarily steal in that spot, but i am saying that the mets have got to start running more. how many times do u see reyes wright and beltran getting on and staying on the base..push the envelope, if you can;t drive them in, then force them in.
This is something that's bothered me all season, we've got lots of speed, but we never seem to be using it. Teams used to fear our running game, and it visibly had pitchers nervous which helped us in all sorts of ways. This year looks completely different.
agreed with both of you. Our running game is not really being utilized
I do. Put the tying run on 2nd with no outs? That means he can score without a hit. Considering the Mets BA with RISP, that might be the only way they score.
before i respond…what exactly do you mean?
the statnut loves it when balls are in his face
It is true that Beltran will not run unless he is 100% sure he will make it, but that just shows selfishness on his part, not wanting his stolen base numbers to look bad, but he fails to understand that even if he's not guaranteed to make it safely, the catcher can and has thrown the ball into centerfield when making a throw to 2nd base.
A dispiriting day at the new field. No life in the crowd–the quietest game I have ever been to–and no life in the bats with runners in scoring position. 12 games in and this team cannot score runs. Last year we scored early and often and then watched our bullpen give it back. This year we can rely on our bullpen but have to watch total lethargy when it comes to knocking in runs. The team is really out of synch–they looked today like their heads were already out of this game. I sense no team fire, and no leadership, just a lot of highly paid individuals who have fun being around each other. It's early, many will say, but I think how you play from the opening bell is an indication of who you are, and I'm getting worried…
Maybe the food lines were super extra slow today.
gary cohn explained that manual said that beltran has been dealing with a quad issue .
…and here come the excuses already……
he is always dealing with a quad issue….what does that have to do with anything?
For those of you who were wondering why he didn't run
You also have to realize that although tatais got out santos hit a rocket. it was cought so thay had bad luck
•Yet one more fan leaned over to interfere with a fly ball down the line, which Murphy may have caught. Folks, please keep your hands inside the car. Naturally, Mike Cameron hit a home run in the following at bat. Come on, people. Help the Mets, don’t hurt ‘em.
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Hurt 'em how? The guy was ruled out on inteference. But I agree with the main point- can idiots PLEASE stop grabbing for balls in play?
" Yet one more fan leaned over to interfere with a fly ball down the line, which Murphy may have caught. Folks, please keep your hands inside the car. Naturally, Mike Cameron hit a home run in the following at bat. Come on, people. Help the Mets, don’t hurt ‘em. "
Matt……you must be joking.
This guy who interfered today must have been licking his chops all winter about those seats. I mean really….if you had those seats, you'd bring a glove too. It's all part of the game. … Bartman….Maier…..
Besides, the interference actually helped the Mets. Solo Hr as opposed to 2 run HR.
…and one more thing…..you do realize that it was Murphy trying to make the catch….probably would have dropped it. That was sort of a tough play for him.
No matter how much you pay for seats it does not entitle you to interfere with the game. And if you do it in a situation that hurts your team you are a moron.
True on both counts…but Matt was wrong to imply it hurt the Mets here. It helped in that the Brewer was ruled out and that meant Cameron's dinger was only a single run, not a 2-run homer.
Um, how does the Brewer batter get on base by hitting a foul ball?
Its an open ended play, but it sure helped that he was called out. Not sure how anyone could miss that.
How bad have the Mets been with RISP and in 1 run games? So much for hitting to the opposite field. It seems like when we get something going the "meat" of the order falls down especially Wright. He has been horrible. I am not worried about Florida yet but if they keep it up and decide to spend a little money like Milwaukee did last year they could be trouble.
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I love this team and have much of my life. There has been a frustration watching my mets which has in these last few years taken away some of the joy of watching baseball. What a way to start this season. 5 games back of a marlins team gelling together at the same time and finding ways to win
I don't care much for baseball right now..just great
you're talking about a great basestealer with one out. i agree not to push it if it's 0 out or even 2 out, but with 1 out play aggressive ball. why play so defensively? like i said, this team has been struggling getting the hits, put pressure on the defense.
i know he is one of the precious 86 mets, but ever since Howard Johnson took over as hitting coach, the Mets have struggled with men in scoring position. It might just be a coincidence but regardless if this is still a problem in June, i think you have to let him go…
I'm afraid you're right. Regardless of whether he is the problem or not, someone will take the fall for this regardless. And he'll be the one to do it.
HEY FRED,
BETCHA MANRAM AND LOWE ARE LOOKING REAL GOOD NOW HUH.
Lowe has as many wins as Ollie.
Let's not carried away. The season is 12 games old: that is to say, we're not even a tenth into things here.
The bats will come around and 1 and 2 runs losses generally even out over the course of an entire season. If the Metsies are still .500 on June 1 and the Marlins are play .750 baseball I'll panic — but, that is not going to happen.
I think that Manuel is still trying to figure out how to push buttons on the roster — again let's give him a few weeks to figure out his bench.
Let's Go Mets!
Matt, seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? It's like you watch a totally different game.
The fan interference did *not* hurt the Mets, it gave them an out that they might not have otherwise had. And os the home run following it is immaterial.
Todd Coffey is *not* the Brewers closer, even if he did close the game today for the save.
And, most of all, letting Tatis swing away in the 8th inning with quality bunters like Castillo and Cora on the bunch was pretty much unforgivable. Tatis has done nothing yet this year to justify such a move, and Castillo and Cora have done everything possible to justify the smart move.
Metsocrat
I'm sure Matt knows Hoffman is the closer, Villanueva was the Brewers interim closer until yesterday when he was used in the 7th, Coffey would have closed Saturday if they had they chance and he got the save yesterday, so yes, he is the INTERIM closer for another week or so.
Yes, and I'm sure he knows the correct score of the game and I'm sure that he knows that the fan interference actually helped the Mets, but none of this, IMO, excuses what is often a complete lack of attention to detail: keep in mind that many fans who do NOT know these things *rely* on metsblog.com as a source of information. To regularly feed them incorrect information does everyone a disservice.
I agree, you'll see my post right below yours getting on him for saying the interference hurt the Mets. I just don't think calling Coffey a closer is a big deal, because he clearly took Villanueva's job for now.
im sure people will disagree with me on here but i think this loss is on manuel. Back in the 8th inning with beltran and shef on with 0 out down a run and tatis at the plate, my feeling is they should have put in castillo for tatis
1)defensive upgrade
2)better bunter
The mets should have bunted the runners and even on a wheelhouse play, jj has been dropping alot of routine balls. I say that because bill hall has played an outstanding 3b this series and jj would cover 3b on that play. Since they probably dont have confidance that jj woudl catch the ball, they will play for the out at 1st. Given the way omir has swong the bat, he would have had runner on 3rd and 2nd with 1 out and only down a run. A sac fly ties the game and you sub reed for the pitcher and hope he can reign in shef from second or omir drives in both the runs who knows. Thats my opinion and i would love to hear what you guys think but imo this loss is on poor managing.
I could go either way with the bunt there. He's trying to get Tatis meaningful at bats. The way the Mets have been bunting there is no guarantee you have 2nd and 3rd anyway. Plus someone has to exectue eventually anyway. He's coming down to the end of the lineup and Manuel was taking a chance with one of his better hitters in that spot. I can't kill him for taking a shot.
Tatis has been a clutch hitter in the past and I had no problem with him hitting there. It didn't work out but thems the breaks. Can't blame this one on Manuel when the offense didn't come to play, again! Ughh!!!
If willie Randolph were the manager you would have been blasting away.
Willie Randolph WAS the manager ….. for the Brewers. Macha was taking a dump.
this was tatis first game full time and his first game EVER at 2b. He has gone 0-3 up to that point. I dont doubt tatis getting clutch hits, but imo this was a textbook call. You got runners on 1st/2nd with 0 out and your reg 2b man who is a good bunter on the bench while his replacment is at the plate who cannot bunt and has not done anything all game. If anything its to avoid the dp at any cost. With coffeys 2seam the way it looked, if tatis made contact…its heading toward jj and its an easy double up with shef and tatis running.
You keep saying it's a textbook situation to bunt the runner there but you know, I like the way Jerry managed there by his gut. Too many managers simply to by the book and there's not enough gut calls in the game anymore. Even Keith said on the telecast that he didn't have a problem with Tatis hitting away.
It doesn't come down to Manuel screwing the game up there by a bad decision. It comes down to the offense not coming through when they needed to. Simple as that. Put it on the players for goodness sakes and stop complaining about the manager when they don't do their jobs.
I hear what you are saying but the last few games we have lost by 1 or 2 runs when we cleardy didnt have to. Tatis looked rusty today and rightfully so considering he has been riding the bench since the season started. Castillo on the other hand had been playing almost every day and is hitting very well. If you dont trust castillo and want to give him the day off, put cora in. I disagree.. manuel went with his "gut" and it cost us the game. Where you would give credit for a gutsy call gone your way, you also gotta be willing to take it when it doesnt. He defied a textbook play that would have enhanced our position to at LEAST tie the game and it backfired. Im not gonna put it on a guy that has not played a whole game until today, ill put it on a guy who should have known better and i thought whos job it was to win us games…..
Have you watched the Mets? Do you really expect them to get a big run on an actual hit? why puit them in that situation, when you can be in a spot where a soft groundout ties the game. plus the bunt eliminates the db. Plus now a single brings in 2. I like reed up against the hard throwing (cy young winning) coffey and think he could have at the very least grounded otu to the right side. with putz and k-rod a tie is a good to be in.
Nope, I was at the game, and said the same thing to my wife. I feel that Manuel has been a bit too conservative thus far. Why wasnt Beltran running when he got on in the 8th? Why not bunt after Sheff got on? Why wasnt Reyes stealing after he singled home Santos in the 7th? He's the tying run, if you get him into scoring position with 1 out, he can score on a single.
i'm with you. i just wonder why not send beltran before it gets to 3-2 on santos?? i mean, santos took the first FIVE pitches in that ab. plenty of time to run. they gotta push the envelope more. especially when they're not hitting like this. i see reyes, beltran and wright sitting at bases far too much. it'd be understandable if the offense wasn't atrocious at getting runners in once they're on.
you dont wanna run yourself out of an inning and you dont wanna make an out at 3b down a run….
You dont want to hit into a double play either.
shef is on first base…..you wanted a double steal and shef on 2b with two outs if beltran gets thrown out
exactly, the mroe you steal the more attention the pitcher pays to runners, the less to batters, bigger margin for error. remember when reyes wouild exhaust pitchers to the point where they would lay one right over for wright or beltran or paulo? theres just not the same base stealing threat.
well, i agree with you in that tatis should have at least bunted and i probably agree that the move to castillo would have been quite smart for a lot of reasons. perhaps jerry did not want to just "waste" castillo? weak, but maybe, since he did not have tatis bunting anyway. i just don't know.
as for the loss on manuel, i will agree to a point, given that the mets can not get runners in, he blew it having tatis swinging away there. however, i still place the blame on the mets inability to get runners in. i have been saying since the first game and i am not going to argue with all the "sample size" people here (12 games enough yet?), but even in the games the mets have won they have generally failed to get runners in while in scoring position. even with the starting pitching being what it was for the first two weeks, had the mets even done a so-so job getting them in, they would be looking at 8-4 perhaps. now? 6 losses, 4 by one run, 2 by two runs.
well i dont want tatis bunting…id rather castillo bunt and your not really losing anything defensivly. If castillo executes you at least tie the game or better yet have the go ahead run in shef with santos at the plate. I know this is not the only reason they lost but they had a GOLDEN opp to make up for a day of missed opps.
I was at the game and you just saw the long time ticket holders (i.e., not the Shake Shack groupies) shaking their head as if they were stuck in Groundhog Day: a gutsy Figueroa performance and non-existent clutch hitting with RISP. I just watched the Phillies highlights where they were down 4 – 0 late and came back to win 5 – 4. I see DWright pressing unbelievably and feel he needs a rest or a move in the lineup. I like Jerry, but his comment that "we're getting the opportunities" doesn't help take the players off the hook.
cerrone spanks it like 12 times a day to santana pictures
I'm somewhat alarmed by the offense, they seem to hit well when no one is on base or not in scoring position, this is the same type of offense that cost Willie his job. I'm pretty sure Manuel is safe but something is certainly missing. This offense will heat up as the weather does but it would be nice to see more productive outs being made even if they don't get hits.
Santos the backup catcher has done a good job so far, provided a semi-spark to the offense. Once the Mets can get Wright back on track, the Mets offense will look much more better.
HoJo will be the fall guy.
Just a disgusting display and a waste of a nice effort by Figgy (why are we letting him go, btw???). Both the Phillies and Fish with nice comeback wins….and we can't buy a run.
Time to put Beltran #3 and Wright back to #5.
"Yet one more fan leaned over to interfere with a fly ball down the line, which Murphy may have caught. Folks, please keep your hands inside the car. Naturally, Mike Cameron hit a home run in the following at bat. Come on, people. Help the Mets, don’t hurt ‘em."
This makes absolutely no sense. First of all, the fan interfered when there were 0 outs, so Cameron was going to hit a home run with either 0 outs or 1 outs. But wait a minute, the umpires ruled fan interference and the play resulted in an OUT anyways, so that's a moot point. Gotta pay attention.