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Update, 8:10 am:
Adam Rubin in the Daily News reports, ‘coaches may be on the firing line,’ as well, citing a ‘team insider.’
Also, Rubin adds that if the team is to make a change in the starting rotation, it could come at the expense of Oliver Perez or Mike Pelfrey, ‘who can be optioned to the minors without passing through waivers.’
Original Post:
Following today’s game, Jerry Manuel told reporters that he will use his current set of pitchers one more time through the rotation, and if things do not get better, he will make a change.
“It’s not rocket science,” he 
explained. “If they ain’t pitching, then you’ve got to find somebody who will.”
Manuel also said he would like to add an additional relief pitcher to the bullpen for this weekend’s series against the Nationals.
…well, i am not sure who from the bench will get the axe, to make room for manuel’s pitcher… i do think this statement is telling, though, since it would suggest he is not happy with the roster that has been given to him… i’m thinking, if manuel gets his way, it could mean a demotion for Jeremy Reed, or the end of Gary Sheffield, who is hitting just .111 and was 0 for 5 against the Cardinals…
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it’s time to trade fernando martinez , and john maine , eddie kunz , and something else for an elite pitcher , the time to win is now and I know our offense will come through and if they dont the bullpen we have this year will be the difference but it all comes down to the rotation and at this point im ready to see maine go and martinez for a pitcher that can make a difference like sabathia did for the brewers last year
Its kinda hard to make a major trade in April. You know that unlike Met fans, and probably both National fans, the other teams haven’t thrown in the towel yet…
Agreed that it’s too early to make a deal. Omar does need to start putting out feelers though and in June if we haven’t dug too big of a hole we go out and make a move based on Omar’s “untouchable” wunderkinds. The core of this team is amazing and it’s time to quit floundering just because Omar can only see one problem at a time.
all we need is some SP and we’ll be fine although it would be nice if this “core” played tough hardnose baseball for once…
Gary and Ron elduded to it today. they pretty much said this team is too soft…
When will the Mets finally put the rest of the season on sale?
It is almost May already, or are they trying to pretend that the rest of the season is sold out?
How are the Mets feeling now about bringing Perez back? Maybe they should have found a little extra cash for Derek Lowe.
derek lowe required 4yrs. no way is he worth that. just because hes pitching well in his first couple weeks does not mean he will in 3 or 4 years. plus hes a righty. i still think ollie is going to turn it around and have a good season. I also think we’re gonna knock derek lowe all over the place this year
How many people here said that the Perez deal was superior to the Lowe deal? Do you guys remember people arguing that, “most teams would kill for our 2 through 5.” ? Where are all these loud mouths now?
POsting shit under a different name.
It’s probably going to be Reed, he’s not being used anyway, so they might as well get him some ABs at AAA. The thing is, if they bring an extra pitcher, they could have held on to Figgy and called up Fossum this weekend. Very weird stuff going on.
In an attempt to cheer every1 up here I go again
TEN METS THINGS TO CHEER YOU UP
1.)While we are 5 games out only 1 games seperate us from Philly & Atl.
2.)In 2007 Wright in April hit .244 0Hr 6Rbi 16BB 23SO
he went on to finish the season .325 30Hr 107Rbi 94BB 115SO
3.)Murphy’s 6 rbi’s is tied with Wright not bad company
4.)Castillo & Church are hitting a respective .381 & .383
5.)If Schneider falters Josh Thole in AA & Robinson Cancel in AAA are leading their teams in hitting.
6.)Mets pen era of 2.85 is 3rd in MLB only Mariners & Red Sox are better.
7.)Johan Santana’s era of 0.46 is 2nd best in all of mlb for starters with at least 3 starts.
Only Zack Greinke’s era of 0.00 is better.
8.)Mets pitching staff has 109 K’s tied for 8th best in MLB with Mariners.
9.)We have Johan Santana to JJ Putz to KRod every 5 days!!!
10.)Did I say we have Johan Santana to JJ Putz to KRod every 5 days!!! Go Mets!!!
Now Cheer Up!!!!
10 Mets THINGS TO CHEER YOU UP is brought to you by The Notorious Mr North Jersey
The season is not lost, but it has become clear that we need to add a pitcher or two before this is all over. If we can get a pitcher in June in a mega-deal and pick up someone like Sheets for the second half we may be fine.
Too many problems are continuations of problems we’ve had the last two years. Getting ahead early, stop hitting with RISP. Giving up the lead later in the game. Then completely going flat later in the game. The only difference is that the other team is not coming back against the bullpen, it’s coming back against the weak starting pitching.
im not going to praise perez but the extra cash isn’t worth for lowe if it was up to me i would of signed andy pettitte for a 2 year deal to make him leave the yankees and i would of gave jon garland a 1 year deal
but perez will eventually get into a groove and have a good stretch and tehn back to a bad 1 but he will atleast add some positive into the rotation unlike maine, maine doesnt know how to slow the game down and he obviously doesnt know how to concentrate because he just goes to the hill and throws it and then back and forth , he never has a game plan, and doesnt trust his stuff, which 2 me personly is not stuff i just dont see whats worth keeping , trade maine and fernando martinez and whoever else and get us a bonified #2 starter and put perez at 3rd spot and pelfery in the 4th spot like he needs to be
If you look at the value of contracts though, Lowe is a better deal than Perez. While I agree that Lowe got more than he should have, Perez got WAY more than he should have. It’s too late to talk about what should have been though. Sadly we need a five as bad as we need a two, Pedro?
What makes you think Petite would ever consider playing for the Mets ?.
I said it, ad nauseum, that we should have jumped at he opportunity to get Peavy. FMart and one of our pitchers (Maine, Pelfrey, Perez, Neise, etc.). In addition, we NEEDED to shake up the clubhouse with a real leader. That was Orlando Hudson. Look at how he and Dodgers are doing. The guy is a spark plug and we could have used his leadership. Now, I have to hand it to Luis Castillo. He has redeemed himself. But there is only so much he can do in the 8th spot in the order. That’s not his fault. If was truly going to be given a chance to prove his worth, Manuel would have batted him 2nd where Castillo would have had more of an impact. But, noooooo, Manuel and Minayo are too busy beating off to video footage of Daniel Murphy hitting BP.
You know, it all starts from the top. The Wilpons are jerk-offs. There you have it.
Right on Slider. Not that they ever would, but the Wilpons should just sell this team. On the baseball end of things, they’re inept, short-sighted and completely lost.
They are the owners, they don’t need to know the game, they just need to know how to hire good talent to run the club.
Omar has got to be on a very short leash, and he has to know it. It’s just not public knowledge, it can’t be.
Mark my words; Omar’s walking if the team doesn’t turn it around in 6 weeks.
You can want Peavy all you want he has a no trade clause and already stated he does want to play in NY!
I love Murphy, but I have to agree with you Slider. Moving Castillo to second and Murphy to seventh would probably suit the team better. Murphy can drive in runs while Castillo is a table-setter who takes a lot of pitches. With him going well, he’s being wasted as the No. 8 hitter.
Slider – Wow, that is the best summary of the situation that I’ve read on here.
I’m with you. I’m glad the Wilpons spend money on the payroll and new stadium, but when their favorite team is the Dodgers, how can you ever expect the franchise to succeed under them?
And Minaya always seems to be chasing his tail, “fixing” whatever the blatantly obvious flaw was from the past year, but ignoring the blatantly obvious flaws of the current year.
the lineup is find they shouldn’t demote any 1 the club house offensivly will click eventually but sheffield and tatis deserve more playing time im sorry murphy is a great dicipline hitter and all but he does not deserve to start everyday , he is only a rookie and like every unproven rookie will sit every other day. If its up to me i would make the lineup this way
Jose Reyes
Luis Castillo
Carlos Beltran
David Wright
Carlos Delgado
Gary Sheffield or Tatis
Ryan Church
Santos or casto
Pitcher
Why are so many people so down on Murphy? Granted his defense is a weakness, but if you combined Tatis’ and Sheffield’s averages, they’d still be 100 points lower than Murphy’s. I don’t mind getting Tatis and Sheff some ABs against tough lefties, but I believe Murphy and Church should get the majority of the starts.
Why are people high on Murphy. Those two guys you just mentioned combined have more Major league AB’s than Murphy has in his lifetime..but yet we still think more of Murphy like he’s some super trooper.
Yeah but Sheff is 40 and clearly on the decline (why else would Detroit just eat $14 million) and Tatis came out of nowhere last year to revive his sagging career. I’m just saying Murphy is hitting right now, probably should be batting seventh not second but he’s doing a nice job.
Changes that can salvage this team:
1 – Fire Manuel, hire someone who is not senile.
2 – (This comes from 1) Make up our minds about who our corner outfielders are.
3 – Make a move for a starter (has to be later in the season).
4 – Make a small move for a catcher to help us through May.
5 – (This comes from 1) Change the batting order. It’s not working!
Wow, if Manuel is senile then Randolph was clinically dead.
I like Jerry. Sometimes he makes moves that I question, but what manager doesn’t? The key difference between Manuel and Randolph is Jerry doesn’t seem afraid to make changes if things aren’t working. Randolph was so stubborn, always saying “these are my guys” and all that crap. He often waited way too long to make a change.
Firing the manager is not the solution. we have a good coaching staff that has the respect of the team. its still extremely early and i believe there is a method to manuels madness in the corner pos. He needs to konw what he has with murph and sheff. It will come together and so will the pitching
I am very curious to know what makes you thin the Met players listen to and respect their coaches. Lets the offense doesn’t do any situational hitting, the starters are all pitching like they never tried it before, the defense is making fundamental errors regularly. So, wither the coaches are bad or the players are ignoring them.
I don’t care if they had Tony LaRussa, Davey Johnson, Joe Torre, Jim Leyland, etc. This team will still be what it is. Only so much the manager can do with what he has.
Now that we have faith in the bullpen..starters not named Johan are horrible and the offense gets on base and strands runners. I dunno why people are so surprised, It’s basically the same team who underachieved then and is doing now.
What is Ben Sheets doing, is he throwing? Could we sign him?
Amen
I’d take a chance on Sheets. But you gotta expect he’s goes down part of the year.
Frankly Sheets is much more viable than Petey
sheets just had elbow surgery. im not totally against him but i don’t think he’ll be healthy or effective this year. there needs to be a better option
Paul Byrd, anyone? He’s no great shakes but I think he’ll go six or seven solid innings every time out, especially in the NL.
Why did you get rid of Figgy, Omar? Figgy was a worker.
Yeah, but he just wasn’t very good at pitching….
As opposed to the other Mets starters who have been stellar….
No, not saying that at all. The starters are clearly killing this team and need to be addressed.
But Figgy is 35 years old and is 10–21 in the bigs. He is a weak, Jose Lima-style non-solution, I think.
One or two more times through the rotation, and if no improvement, we have to think about Redding, Garcia, Niese, Parnell, whoever, if not making a move.
None of the guys you mentioned have a great resume, either.
Neither is Fossum…I would have kept Figgy. If they really want to bring up another lefty for the pen, I’d prefer Takahashi over Fossum, and that’s never seeing Takahashi pitched. I have, however, seen Fossum pitch many times over the years and he’s simply not good at all.
Tomorrow’s game is number 16 or 10% of the season…….as of now….
Jose Reyes is on a pace to steal just 30 bases. Somebody let this guy run.
David Wright is on a pace to hit 10 HRs, and strikeout 170 times.
Delgado is on a pace to hit 30 HRs with only 80 Ks.
Beltran is on a pace to hit 20 HRs and 40 doubles, with 100 Ks.
Johan might reach 300 Ks. What a stud.
Seems to me if Wright and Beltran get it together, and they let Jose run, and Delgado plays steady, we should be much better.
The pitching outside of Johan is another story.
what do you mean by beltran getting it togther? he has a 400 avg and 12 rbis-pretty much leading the team in hitting. i am critical of wright but as others have pointed out he is showing signs of coming around. pitching? no idea – sign pedro
Less strikeouts and more timely hitting.
That goes for all of them, but I would like to see Beltran strikeout less, AND SLIDE AT THE PLATE GODDAMN IT.
Thats a big deal though..its one thing fi u were saying the 4 and 5 guys need to make it past the 5th inning, but ur asking for 4 pitchers who have been horrible to turn it around completely. I am a firm beleiver in that they need to add another big arm to this team to take them to the next level. I still think wright will get it together, though it has been a painful 16 games. REYES AND EVERYBODY THAT CAN STEAL NEED THE GREEN LIGHT, because they’re just not putting any fear in opposing pitchers. If you have a rotation where oliver is your #3, then you better have a disgusting 1 and 2..they got the 1, but they need the two.
While mathematically accurate, any “on the pace” discussions after 16 games should be swallowed with a giant grain of salt. For example, the Blue Jays and Cardinals are on pace to win 110 games, Marco Scutaro is on pace to hit 40 home runs, and Zack Grienke is on pace to allow zero earned runs this season.
I was just pointing out the current pace…..I am well aware that it will change a great deal……
Good one about Grenke…..
And we’re on a pace to win b/t 60&70 gms!
How about Maine, Niese, and Evans for Erik Beddard. Would like not to give up F-Mart… we’re going to need him in the outfield. Murph will be our 1st baseman.
I don’tt hink murphs offensive production is good enough to be a first basemen on a ws contending team..i think this the paradox that is daniel murphy. he is not good enough yet to be an everyday LF and make up for his poor fielding with his bat, 3b is vacated, people insist he cannot play 2b. i see this guy as a 1b and the #5 hitter on a crappy team, but i don’t think he’s good enough to be our 1b, unless we somehow get our hands on a 30 hr catcher or a 35 hr outfielder.
Absolutely agree. [But 3B is vacated? I think you meant occupied. lol;) ]
He’s just one of these guys that simply has no place to be put in.
are you kidding me? what is wrong with most of you people. Can we GIVE DANIEL MURPHY A CHANCE!!!!!!! holy crap…. the guy is hitting over three hundred and has been a difficult out for opposing pitches. Apparently none of you watch the games of SNY because Gary was talking about how Braun said that his move to the outfield took a couple of months to get adjusted to. Daniel Murphy is the real deal… i love this kid leave him alone. The people on this blog are the reason why we cant rebuild EVER because you cant stand dealing with young players developing. LOOK AT THE MARLINS!!!! they have such a good core that the developed bc they realized that guys like uggla will make errors BC they are LEARNING! Murph is the Man and the HARDEST out to get on this team. The guy has such a sweet swing…. when’s the last time we had a rookie hit over 300???? SHEFFIELD HAS NO FUTURE WITH THIS TEAM and neither does that crap Tatis…. i love sheff as a pinch hitter and as a spell for delgado, churchie, and etc but MURPHY IS PART OF THE CORE OF THIS TEAM…. everyone needs to chill the metsies are going to be just fine. Pelf will now be healthy, I believe in Johnny, and Oli will be okay remember this is till kind of like spring for him bc of the WBC REMEMBER YA GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan Braun committed 0 errors in LF last year. Murphy has much bigger problems than Braun. And Murphy isn’t anywhere near Braun at the plate.
I like bedard – off to a good start, immensly talented. i do remember reading how the clubhouse hates him though-not sure if its true or if it matters so long as he pitches good
I’m hopeful Murph can develop into a .300+/10-15 hr guy… sort of like Keith, w/o the defense of couse. he’s a hard worker and his D will improve. i think we need his attitude on this team.
Yeah he seems to be the very type of player a lot of fans on this site say the Mets lack, a grinder. A very hard-nosed kid who has a great work ethic. Of all the problems this team has right now, I fail to see Murphy as one of them, bad defense and all.
holy crap, jerry is going to go to a 2 man rotation…johan and then putz/krod will split the next game duties.
The problem is that once they go down, its over. it doesn;t matter what inning, but once you take a lead on the mets its safe. And thats what kills us fans, its the fact that when they have a lead you think they;re going to blow it, and when they’re losing, its case closed game over. And yeah, in 10 days they could be in first and every1 can be happy, but what are the chances of the mets going on a big win streak? what are the chances of them getting quality starts from every1 not named johan? And what kills me is that its not like we’re getting shut down by big name guys..its the todd wellermeyers, the kyle loshes.
Youre right, and the HUGE difference is that in 2006, they had something like 12 walkoff wins and a shitload of come from behind wins.
The 07, 08, and apparently 09 teams have no such talent.
Yeah you can look up and say ‘its 16 games..they’re still in it”, but they haven’t even shown glimpses that they’re going to turn it around. And it just sucks because you watch the games and say “c’mon just one big hit, and maybe this team can turn around”, and you say that 7 times a game, and they just don’t get that hit. If this was 2005, then yes people would be happy. but its frustrating to see a team with such good talent, come so close, and yet so is so far away.
If ever there were a golden situation to start a winning streak, it would have to be a weekend home series against the Nationals, with Johan pitching the opener vs. Scott Olsen who is 1-5 4.74 vs. the Mets in his career (very small sample, but the Mets OPS vs. lefties is 1.153 so far this year as well). If I had any clue what to expect from Pelfrey coming off his skipped start, I’d feel very strongly that the Mets would take the first 2 games as Daniel Cabrera is pitching Saturday for the Nats. It’s Sunday, with Oliver vs. their wunderkind J Zimmerman where the streak can either take on some real momentum or fall woefully short.
For a few days before the last game of the season Olsen talked about how he was going to end the Mets chances and all sorts of other trash talk, and how did the Mets respond on the most important game of the year?
They let Olsen talk his trash and rolled over and played dead for him.
This team lets ANYONE trash talk them and then they don’t respond.
Pujols in 06, Rollins in 07, and Olsen in 08
That is the epitomy of weak and soft.
Last year, by May 26 Pelfrey was 2-6 with a 5.33 ERA. By June 2, Oliver Perez was 4-4 with a 5.70 ERA. Both won more games than they lost while lowering their ERAs noticeably the rest of the way. Why is it so easy for so many to believe that this team will fall short again simply because they’ve done it before, but so hard to believe this pitching staff will improve, when they’ve done it before?
Its because these guys are such inconsistant tight ropers. Ollie and maine give up too many walks. How amny times with these guys do they get a 3 run lead and they walk the leadoff guy! Yeah, john Maine has had times when he’s looked like an ace. he got off to that start in ‘07 and looked like pedro’;s predecesor, ollie too can look like the second coming of johan santana at times, but its just so frustrating how they can be so good, then the next game, or the next inning be so bad. this team lacks consistancy, and its irritating.
I definitely would have overpaid for Derek Lowe for that very reason…consistency, durability and a great money pitcher.
This team is soft. Simple as that. you show me any team at any level of baseball that plays soft and they dont win. Look at this team and compare them to the Red Sox for example….The Sox has Pedroia, Youklis, Lowell, Varitek……the Mets have?????? They are just soft….I am sick of it…….stop pampering these guys……man I long for the days of Bobby Valentine…
I realize shef is not exactly a tenured met, but that play at first sickened me. How do u not take out the best player in the game? at least bump him, don’t cradle him lke a baby.
There have been many recent “lack of aggression” instances on which I would agree with you that they made me sick, but the Sheffield-Pujols one is not one of them. I think, in part, it is precisely because he is the best player in the game that you don’t take him out there. If that were, say, Casey Kotchman or Conor Jackson, by all means destroy him. But if you think the players and fans of every other team hate the Mets now, wait til you feel the hatred after injuring the ambassador of the game for no reason. Sheff was already clearly out, he would have accomplished nothing by tackling Pujols IMO.
SOFTNESS IS NOT THIS TEAM’S F–KING PROBLEM!!!
Softness, hardness, guts…. they all mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And the sooner you morons realize that, the sooner you’ll shut up about it.
Yeah, OK! Oh great and knowing Met
fanatic. They’re not a soft team.
They’re gutty, gritty and full of heart.
Do you feel better now?
(Smacks head)
Gutty, gritty, heart, softness….NONE of those mean anything.
All the guts in the world won’t make Livan a good pitche
All the heart from Alex Cora won’t change the fact that he’s a terrible hitter.
None of it means anything in terms of trying to win baseball games.
Pitching, defense, hitting, execution is what matters.
Oh, thanks for the heads up.
Didn’t really understand despite being
a die-hard for 35+seasons.
How long you playing/coaching/following
baseball??? You don’t think the #1 problem
w/this squad is the clubhouse culture??
While clubhouse culture may or may not be a big problem, I’d say the biggest problem right now is every starter (except for Johan) failing to make it out of the fifth inning on a regular basis. I think clubhouse culture is a bit overrated. If you have dominant starting pitching, you’re going to go a long way, whether the guys on your team like each other or are “gritty, hard-nosed players” or not.
Keep believing that ASod!
The diff in team heart b/t Us and
The Phillies is night and day.
We’re down early or fall behind and
it’s over! This is as fragile a group as
I’ve seen And I go back to the ‘73 Mets.
I certainly will believe that pitching covers up a lot of problems. And I didn’t say i necessarily disagreed with you on the team’s makeup, just saying if they had better pitching, it might not matter as much.
Your right, pitching and defense wins games. But as someone who has coached Baseball for many years and continues to do so, you can give me the best and most talented team, but if they arent mentally tough they dont win playoff games and championships. Its as simple as that. You think the Yankees won all those rings just because they played good defense and pitched well? No….when games were on the line, when the season was on the line they were tough enough mentally to overcome anything. The Mets are soft, they do not have the mental toughness to win.
Heart does not win baseball games. Smarten up. Jose Lima had a lot of heart, should we go and sign him???
at least Manuel is trying to shake things up a little unlike and is challenging the players. I admit he has made some questionable moves like benching Church whe he was red hot in favor of Sheff. I still like to see the mets get more aggressive on the base paths.
ab4924 said it best!This IS a soft team.
listen fellas, it’s over. Save yourself the
agita. Omar, did another pisspoor job
this offseason. Any team which closed
the way this one did the last couple seasons
HAD to be shaken up. Trouble is Omar
isn’t a foward or out of the box thinker.
He gets focused on things/players AND
thats it,nothing else. So,we have an improved
BullPen and no chance to use them/show it.
Again, its over!
You’re pathetic
So you’re anger over the sad state of this
team causes you to just name call?
Against your fellow fans?
No retort, no rebuff. Just dopey name calling.
Okay then! Hope that makes you feel better.
Ok…
I called you pathetic because it’s what you are.
It’s 15 games into the season, and don’t give me the whole “2 years and 15 games” thing, because 2007 and 2008 have nothing to do with the team of 2009. 15 games in, and you’re giving up already.
This team may turn out to be mediocre, it may turn out to be crap, and it may turn out to be good, all I know is, that declaring one is the absolute truth halfway through April is nonsensical.
Good thing you’re typing and not talking.
Isn’t the internet great?
Saves you a broken jaw.
Soft? I’ve been commenting for days – I don’t even know what that means…
You must be talking about Pelf, who didn’t want to miss a start no matter the pain.
Or Maine, who would have pitched all last Sept. if they would have let him.
Maybe it’s Reyes who wanted no part of coming out of a game in the first inning with maybe a hamstring problem.
Or Beltran who has been playing with a tight quad.
How about Johan pitching with a torn miniscus?
Or Church who came back almost immediately from that second concussion who should not have been anywhere near a field.
I could go on but you get the picture.
Whatever is wrong it’s not ’soft’, or ‘heart’, or ‘passion’.
Clubhouse culture! Lead by ownership.
Again, the phrase I coined a year ago fits…
Happy second place finishers.
No Manny, No Lowe, same team, same results.
No one knows what goes on in that clubhouse, and does it really matter?
I remember reading this report once about team cohesion, and it stated that teams care far more about task cohesion than social cohesion, and that teams don’t have to get along to succeed.
Social cohesion and clubhouse unity is nice, but it’s not all that important
Nope. Not buying there isn’t one player on that team that does not want to be playing baseball in Oct….
I don’t know what it’s going to take to start winning. On paper, the talent is there. Is it all on paper? Could very well be with the SP whose first name is not Johan. Then again, Pelf could come back strong and Maine could get it together. That leaves Ollie who is always just gonna be Ollie. Livan has been pitching as advertised.
Offense? Again, on paper, it’s there. Why in God’s name they’re hitting as a team something like 280 but with R.I.S.P lucky to be 220 is something that’s just mind boggling….
Ok then, What is it??
This team which to a man swore up and down, ‘07&’08 will be put behind us,
This team which knew it needed to really
make a statement and get off to a good start,
This team which sacrificed almost all its
important guys to The WBC,which it was
argued would help get us going early,
Comes out flat to start the season?
Dropping routine flyballs to lose games,
never scoring when our ace is on the mound,
never driving in add-on runs, never coming
from behind. THIS is how they start the
season? And theres no problem with the
clubhouse which contains the highest paid
team in the NL? Well then genius,
what exactly is the problem??
Just got done telling you I have no idea what it’s going to take to fix this. Like I said, ‘mind boggling’.
They need confidence, they need a winning attitude. And no, don’t know what it will take to get there. If it was that easy to solve, someone smarter than me would have done it by now….
You know for a guy who gets upset when being called a name, fongo is awfully confrontational. Look, no season is over after 15 games. I’ll admit, I’m concerned just like you are, but remember this “heartless” bunch went on a 10-game winning streak last year. If they rip off another streak like that, will they have no heart? If they have a few come-from-behind wins, will they be gutless? Let’s watch a little more, as hard as it will be for our stomachs, before we deem the season “over.”
How about changing the manager?
Let’s fire him while he’s on the road.
Who’s next?
Great!, That’ll work. How ’bout ridding
the team of the real problem?
Omar and his staff.
So how many manager are the Mets are going to pay that not employed by them….I rather want Mets to get rid of the front office starting with Omar and/or Tony.
I read nost of the comments in here. i can understand that the pitching on the Mets are terrible. Actually, the whole team seems unwatchable at times. It is not ready to throw in the towel yet; however, the moves that were made during the off-seasons seemed bad at this moment.
I didn’t wanted Perez when he became a free agent; but I didn’t wanted to pay Lowe for 4 years at his age. Then what other pitchers are out there that Omar could get….
Lastly, it is same team as last year basically with Pelf now showing some problems and Maine still nursing his injuries of sort since he started throwing late. So that is the problem… What changes needed to be made? I am not totally sure but I feel there should be a major move in the current roster to send a message to the whole team. Like leasing Carlos D or sitting Wright for few days since he is not producing too well now.
the moves were awful at the time too…Omar just kept using the bullpen as an excuse for not fixing anything else.
there was no reason why Omar stopped adding to the MLB roster in December especilly considering all the bargains out there…
sure theres a reason, hes incredibly overrated as a GM….oh btw where are those people who were posting about how when we win the division and the pennant omar will be named exec of the year?
well nice to see Jerry doing something proactive but who are they going to call up???
Niese is nowhere near ready, same with Gee so unless they make a move or they plan on starting Fossum, Stokes, Parnell or Figueroa its safe to say the Mets rotation is not going to change…
By process of elimination, I think you’ve figured out the answer to your own question about who they might call up: Freddy Garcia.
Great! Another Run-Fest with the Big Chief
on the mound. That’ll be a fun watch!!!
Another reliever? How is that going to help?
We already can’t score, now we want to cut the bench to 4?
Enough is enough…13 pitchers on a major league team is absurd.
To quote an classic Dennis Miller bit about 2-for-1 suit sales at KMart : “Let me tell you folks, two of sh*t…is sh*t. If they really want to screw you they will give you three of these things.”
That’s my thoughts on a 13th reliever. Give me a break. He should try starting Reed, not be sending him to AAA.
Give Parnell a chance to start and move Maine to the pen… at least give it a try.
and also swap out Stokes for Livan
Yeah, at least Stokes has a fastball that could break a window….
That would not work. Parnell is successful in his current role because he can rear back and throw his fastball as hard as he can. Make him a starter, and the velocity would drop at least 5mph. Couple that with his lackluster offspeed stuff, and it’s a recipe for disaster. Look at Joba. He was throwing 98-99 in the bullpen and blowing people away. Now as a starter, he is throwing 93 and isn’t as good. It’s common sense.
Again, if they had a true long reliever, there probably wouldn’t be a need for a 13th pitcher, which is why I thought Figgy should have stayed around. Rubber arm guy that can absorb innings so guys like Green don’t have to. Having a short reliever throw 47 pitches in April is a bit absurd….
PREDICTIONS FOR ROTATION END OF YEAR:
1. Johan
2. Freddy G
3. Stokes
4. Ollie/Pelf/Maine all trying to get stuff going
5. Livan
why couldn’t they have just kept Figgy . . .
Figueroa isn’t good at all. He only pitches well against the Brewers…………
Yeah, he would have been the key
to Victory over ALL the NL!
Figueroa can’t get left handers out, therefore he’s quite limited.
Stokes isn’t a good candidate to start because he has trouble with left handed hitters. He can’t get them out at a rate that’s conducive to going through an order more than once. He’s a good middle reliever because he’s a strike thrower who gets enough strikeouts and groundballs to work around his inability to get left handers out.
Not just that, but as a reliever he can let his fastball rip in such a short spurt, which is why he throws 96. Make him a starter, and that 96 mph fastball becomes 91 and is much more hittable.
can everyone stop panicking. honestly it has been 16 games and
1) Pelf has yet to pitch healthy
2) Give Johnny a break its his first couple of starts in real games since his surgery
3) its still kind of like spring for oli bc of the wbc
the only thing i cant stand is the catching situation i like schneider… hes a good guy i talked to him at srping training but he flat out stinks at hitting…. he is almost an automatic out and his defense does NOTTTTT make up for it… if he was molina it would be different and ramon castro is just not the starting catcher on a team built to win a world series….. and there is nothing we can do about this for now, so well just have to deal with it but every team has holes.
This sounds like an empty threat from “American Gangsta”. Redding is due back before long and Livan is a well below average major league starter at this point, so there’s your likely change.
That sounds more like natural selection to me.
Yeah, but if he doesn’t say this, he won’t get credit for it.
It is very early in the season to be panicking. The ‘69 Mets started poorly, 6-8 I believe. It takes time. Pelfrey will get healthy, Maine will regain strength in his repaired arm and hopefully his confidence, I wouldn’t object to having Stokes in the rotation, even moving Livan into the bullpen. He is pitching relatively well but gets tired, as Cerrone mentioned “meatball after meatball.” Ollie is in trouble because by the 3rd appearance, batters have figured him out. That will be a big question mark going forward. As for the offense, there is no need to panic just yet. Wright will eventually find his groove, he’s too talented to flounder an entire season, although he needs to reduce his strike out rate. I hope Beltran has a career season , cause it’s looking like it so far. Even Castillo is hitting well, and he will get more aggressive at the plate. All in all, there is no need to fret, they need a spark that’s all, and I think Manuel will produce that spark eventually. I hope.
You can’t compare ‘69 to this team for several reasons.
No expectations in ‘69.
No pressure on the players in ‘69.
Manager who ruled and players knew they would sit if not playing right.
Manager who didn’t go running to the press to complain about his players.
Starters who could all pitch deep into games.
Bench players about equal to starters so it didn’t matterwho played.
Opposition who took them lightly, didn’t feel it was party time beating them.
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why the hell did omar not give andy pettitte 12mill and we would of had a 1st round pick insted of giving perez 40 mill????????????
because he his name doesnt end with ez
Pettitte would’ve never signed with the Mets, but you brought up a good point. The Mets, for the third time in the last four seasons, are going to be without a first round pick. Not signing Perez for better alternatives like Burnett, Lowe or even Wolf would’ve netted the Mets a first-rounder and a sandwich round pick.
The Mets need to start taking the draft more seriously, because the upper levels of the minor league system are filled with not-really-prospects and journeyman types.
Because Pettitte is ancient, and likely going to wear down and barely be able to pitch come August.
Oh, and he’s a cheater.
Oh, and Perez is going to have a better year. You can take that to the bank.
But ‘better’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘good’. We need a good year from Ollie and we’re not getting that so far.
Please help me understand this…. We didn’t sign Pettite because he ’s a cheater but we did sign Sheffield even thogh he’s a cheater?
Hehe. Well, if Jerry looks to the next time through the rotation before making changes, Perez should be okay. His last outing was bad, so based on his past, that means his next outing should be decent – good.
I’m just worried about Maine. Like I said yesterday, I know he will pull it together, but the team can’t afford to keep waiting for him to return to form.
To be honest I’am sick of this good Ollie/bad Ollie crap.We paid this idiot $36 mil,he needs to step up,but he never will,he has a million $ arm,and 10 cent head.It is Omar’s fault,he was the one who brought him back.I wish Omar would leave,and take the good Ollie/bad Ollie with him.
Omar relates to Ollie because he is the Oliver Perez of GM’s. In one move Omar will pull off the Santana trade. The next move he will resign Castillo. Then he will gets Putz for nothing but resign Perez. We have a good Ollie and bad Ollie and we have a good Omar and bad Omar.
This is a great point.
There are times when one action is so bad that is deserves a firing. Even though Castillo has been hitting, he is not a productive player at all. He has no range and is a slap hitter. Signing him to a 4 year deal is enough to fire Omar.
Also, resigning Ollie should be enough to get him fired. Omar was bidding against himself for this guy because the other GM’s realized that Perez is a bullpen killer.
Can we ban you?
it’s one thing to disagree with a comment, but suggesting someone get banned for voicing an opinion exactly where an opinion should be voiced (i.e. the comments section) is antithetical to the purpose of the blog and the comments section itself.
thats what she said.
Shall we listen in on the pack of dogs aka MetsBloggers?
Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark.
Here they are, running around in a circle, chasing their own tails.
Bark. Bark. Fire Omar. Bark. Bark. Bench Murphy. Bark. Bark. Sign Pedro. Bark. Bark. Listen to me. Bark. Bark. Bark. Bark.
Lighten up, go to the ballpark, have a beer, and enjoy the game of baseball.
Yes, it’s likely true the Mets are not going to win the division this year. But then again, most of us knew that back in September, exclusive of any big shakeup.
Guess what, it was more than the bullpen. And yes, Francessa was right.
RELAX…… BREATHE……. ITS APRIL!!!!! I know it’s sexy to get off to an explosive start, but trust me, it would be MUCH worse if the Mets got off to the kind of start the Marlins did, and then collapsed, in embarrassing fashion. Remember St. Louis last year…. they got off to a great start that lasted through the first half of the season, only to implode…. and become irrelevant. Panic will doom this team faster than patience.
The problem is that this team is playing the exact same way that they did last year. Which is why I was so adament about getting Manny Rameriez but of course the Wilpons screwed that one up. Like the Wilpons screwed up the sightlines at Citi Field. Like the Wilpons screwed up neglecting the Mets history and embraced the Dodgers history.
What dodger history? I see a facade, a name on a club, and a tribute to a player who happened to play for them but transcended sports.
also, you can’t see any of this from inside the park.
When did Jackie Robinson play for the Mets????…. I can answer that …… never.
At the enterance of the stadium all you see is Jackie Robinson and Brooklyn Dodgers. There is no reference to any Met history when you first step into the stadium, which is wrong. What Jackie Robinson did was great but it has nothing more to do with the Mets than it does for the Seattle Marniers.
The Phillies demoted Brett Myers to AAA for a while last year and it worked wonders for him. Maybe the Mets are looking at that and thinking it would help Ollie too.
I hope they demote Oliver Perez and never bring him back up.
tough talk…now back it up
Why would Jeremy Reed be sent down? He has been given almost zero chance to perform. Manuel’s infatuation with Sheffield is a little scary to me – he should be our power RH bat, not our 4th OF. In my opinion, Reed has earned at least the chance to be our 4th OF, period.
I think Tatis should be the 4th outfielder. He earned that chance based on last year. Reed should be the defensive replacement late in games.
Sending Ollie down to triple-A would either wake him up or kill his confidence…Yet I am willing to take that risk. Pelf is clearly not (was not) 100% his first few starts. Leave him here if he is better. And for crimminy’s sake, get rid of Sheffield already.
If you remember, the Mets sent Perez to AAA when they got him in 2006 from the Pirates. He has a history with being demoted with the Pirates too. I don’t think it would affect his confidence as much as you would think.
If his next couple of starts resemble the last one, Perez to the minors (ala Myers) is not a bad idea. Let him deal with the mechanical and mental issues down there. COnsider it the spring training he never really had!
Pelf isn’t going down. No chance. Unless, that is, if he is hurt and it is a rehab situation. If that is the case, he should go on the DL.
Keep this start in context. No, the results havent been pretty, but all the SPs (other than Livan, who really does stink like this) should get better, as-summing they are healthy of course.
They are all young to in their prime, and have had success previously. Botto line, they are all talented pitchers that need to get some bugs worked out, and back into a groove.
Remember the concept of regression to the mean (think thats the right term). simply put, over the course of a season, players tend to produce their expected numbers.. So based on that, the Met SPs will imporve as the year goes on, and Beltran won’t hit .400 for the season!
exactly…thats why i dont know why people are freaking out the way they are taht teh season is over blah blah blah
The rotation will go back to its career numbers and so will the offense…this is just a slow start thats all. Im all for manuel to shake things up but idk what he is going to do with the sp….
You are referring to the the Law of large numbers (LLN) and yes, I do believe in it. Which is why, I think the Mets have tended to “collapse” as the season matures. With a sample size of 162, the true Mets come out.
so i assume you dont bother watching the games then and would rather spend your time mocking the fans that root for their team. Why would you watch the games when you know the mets will collapse…why waste your time and ours?
dirty, what are you talking about? seriously! because i thought the mets were not a playoff team for the last two years, doesn’t mean i don’t love the team and love watching. i’ve been coming to this site for 4 years, which says enough.
“Which is why, I think the Mets have tended to “collapse” as the season matures.”
-if you know they are going to collapse then why watch…save yourself the heartache. I just dont understand if your a fan of this team you mock the people who want the team to succed….can you explain that? If you are truley a fan of the mets, why belittle the fans that root for the team to do better?
again, i have no idea what you are talking about and why you have chosen to be adversarial toward me. we have commented back and forth throughout the years, so i don’t get the animosity. maybe it’s because you don’t recognize me? i used to go under charlie, then casey s., now i’m back under charlie_s because of all the changes here at this site.
but, getting to the heart of your attack.
who did i mock? explain.
where do i say i don’t want the team to succeed or mock those that do? explain.
i made my point VERY clear. over the course of the season, this team, for two straight years, has tended toward a record not good enough for post season the more games it played.
FACT. not a subjective statement about this year, mind you. just a fact about the past. it was my opinion for the last two years that this was not really good enough to be a playoff team. i was saddened each sept/oct to find out i was right. i still watched each and every game. why? because i am a fan. have been since i can remember, which is to say for at least 30 years.
who do i mock for saying that?
i watch the games, just as many as anyone else, which is to say all of them. i do so because i love the team.
but, let me come to the core of my issue with your comment. you seem to have made the enormous leap that since i have stated the team hasn’t been a playoff caliber team for two years that i mock you and fans that want the team to succeed. and, since you have come to that conclusion, i deserve to be attacked and told to not watch my team.
just a very unfortunate assumption made and then followed by an attack.
first of all GROW UP. What i said hardly classifies as an “attack”. I dont know how clearer i can get but i guess i will try. You said..
“You are referring to the the Law of large numbers (LLN) and yes, I do believe in it. Which is why, I think the Mets have tended to “collapse” as the season matures. With a sample size of 162, the true Mets come out”
-Now lets disect that into sentances because apparently you dont understand what i am saying.
“Which is why, I think the Mets have tended to “collapse” as the season matures”
-i interpret that to mean you feel the mets will collapse as the season mantures as in you dont believe they will make the playoffs due to an unforseen sequence of events that lead to the mets missing the playoffs as what has happened the last two years. It would not be as shocking if it was the pirates/tampa/washington because franckly they are not expected to go to the playoffs. Alot of people think the mets are a playoff team, its fine you dont think so but to imply the same result will happen the last two years will happen this year is the reason i responded the way that i did. It was no attack but rather just like lil pelf who has still not answered my question…why are you here if you feel the same thing that happened the last two years will happen again. Now lets say thats not what you meant…lets look at the next sentance.
“With a sample size of 162, the true Mets come out”
-I want to focus on “the true mets come out”. The sentance before it said the mets will collapse as the season matured. In this sentance you said a sample size of 162 as in 162 games. Since obviously the mets have not played 162 games yet this season you could only be refereing to the last two years in which the mets have collapsed in both of them. With that established i can only logically derive that what you mean by the “true mets come out” is that the mets are poised for the same thing to happenagain.
-In summary if i have deciphered your post correctly(and please correct me if i am wrong)..why are you here if you feel the mets will collapse again?
so you tell me i am wasting your time in your first post and now you say to grow up and then say you are not attacking me. wow.
but, i’ll move on.
in my original post, i was referring to 2007 and 2008. now, i actually haven’t formed an opinion about this season yet. so, no, i am not referring to 2009 and yes, you have erroneously made that assumption. let that stand as final clarification. so, no, i don’t have to go and do something else because i know how the mets will finish 2009. i don’t.
i will grant you one thing: in looking back at my original comment, which i made while focusing on something else, i should have said, “…the true team comes out.” not the mets, but the team that is put together for that particularly season, which, again, let me make clear, is not 2009.
to answer your question about why i am here. i have been here everyday for four years. why? because i love the mets and found a place where i can read and discuss them any time i want, day or night. i suspect that’s why you are here, too.
now, can we put this behind us and get back to cordial commenting?
this dust up between you and i seems to have run its course and i’m sure there is some common ground we find to discuss the team in a less adversarial way.
no problem charlie. We are cool. I just have a problem with people predicting the future on the mets based off 16 games and the way the other two seasons ended. Cubs fans have not won a championship for over 100 years and yet they still cheer their team on and have hope every season. Im just at a loss of words with the fan base sometimes.
i hear you, dirty. sorry for all the confusion. i agree, you can’t base a season on 15 games, especially with the mediocrity of the rest of the division. there’s only one team above .500 in the nl east. i’m not saying things are going to be fine, but i’m not saying all is lost, either.
we will find out only by watching and rooting.
LGM
This is what you get when you are cheap (or cheap and stupid). We all knew Perez is a good one start bad another pitcher. The Mets could have had Lowe who not only is effective but eats innings. No, we go with Perez because he is cheap, lefty, younger and a known commodity.
We need a bat in LF, especially a righty. Hmmm, Manny? No we go with the cheap option in Murphy. Now I like the kid but c’mon, Manny would have been a monster here.
Supposedly Roy Oswalt and Jake Peavy are or will be available. Go get one. That almost guarantees 3-4 wins a week. Then you hope Perez, Maine or Pelfrey can do their job.
I think the hitting is ok but the clutch situations have to improve.
The Pen seems ok but who knows, especially if the starters do not give us length.
I can not stand the it is only April argument. Every game counts the same. The pressure is only felt in September. A win now builds confidence.
Firing the coaches at this point is a mistake unless the players truely hate the coach. Finally if all else fails, fire MINAYA. He constructed this laid back team full of talented but unispired players. He has already fired 1 manager. At some point, the finger needs to be pointed at him.
cheap yet the highest payroll in the NL….
eats innings? I know that what he was selling but have you watched Lowe this year? He’s gone 3, 5 and 6 innings in his last 3 starts giving up 3 and 4 runs in his last 2 starts respectively
what?
lowe has gone 180+ the last 7 years in a rowe. maine and perez have done it a combined 3 times in their entire careers
I understand that, I’m just saying if you’re judging our pitcher by their current performances you should judge Lowe by his current starts as well. Especially when saying that we should have gotten Lowe because he eats when when in reality you would be complaining about how he isn’t eating innings like he supposed to if he was currently on this team
Okay, guys we should all take a deep breath. We have plenty of time to turn this thing around. The Phils started off horribly last year and they won the WS. We have as much talent as they did last year. It’s frustrating because we had a cupcake schedule for April, but there is plenty of time to get this thing right. I’m as frustrated as anyone with Manuel, Perez, Maine, but we just need to take a moment and think of the big picture.
Well, why the f*** wasn’t Pelfry optioned to Aaa in the first case, rather than losing O’Day (and potentially Figeroa) to waivers??
So Pelfrey should have been optioned after 2 starts?
Pelfrey does not need to be sent down. I have faith that he will be fine. Perez most likely won’t accept a minor league deal so there is that. Maine would get claimed so….. The best thing I can see is DL’ing Maine or Perez. Perez with “tired arm” from the WBC or Maine with surgery issues. Then they can go down and make some rehab starts for a while. Other than that it’s either stick with them and pray or demote one to the pen. Problem is who do you bring up unless Garcia or Redding are ready. Garcia did throw 80+ pitches and was effective Wednesday in AAA. Maybe you do shift Maine to the pen as a long man and bring up Garcia?
I also think it’s NOT too early for a trade. Maybe Maine and prospects for Lee or Millwood? Make the big package for Oswalt?
thats going to be an expensive package for oswalt……but i agree, i hope omar is on the phone right now
Not as much as for Halladay or Peavy.
I would think
Murphy/Church, Niese, Maine may get it done.
oh hell yea lol halladay and peav would cost the mets half their farm
As for oswalt..that package might get it done. We gotta include one of our starters in the deal. Church might be an ancor on that trade but they have pence/lee/bourn…i dont think they have any room for church.
Church could play CF for them.
they arleady have bourn playing center who lets be honest, is alot faster than church.
If I’m putting a big package together it’s gonna be for Peavy or Halladay. I think Oswalt’s ship has sailed. Not as good as he once was.
That’s the thing, we don’t have enough to get Halladay or Peavy.
the other question is, in the case of halladay, why would a first place team trade its ace that is under contract for this year and next?
kudos to jerry. this is what a manager is supposed to do and what ran willie out of town.
he already moved wright down in the lineup. murphy may lose his 2nd spot in the order for good.
now, time for the pitchers. it’s still early but I am sure the organization wants to sell those high priced seats and this team is not worth dishing out the cash for right now.
I thik the Mets take the games tonight and tomorrow and I think jerry changes and goes for the kill sunday. they are set up for sending a message this weekend.
Sending Perez down does nothing. To paraphrase from Denny Green, “He is what we thought he was!!!” This is the pitcher Oliver Perez is and will always be and I don’t like it. I would have never signed the guy in the first place.
If I were the GM and inherited this team I would send Perez down until he can put 3 quality starts together.
He does not have to go, he can refuse and become a FA with us on the hook for all the cash.
haha…”they ARE who we thought they were….and we let’em off the hook.”
lol there is always 2010 … what happend to there is always 2009 lol.
well, i thought yesterday’s game would make the afternoon at work go by faster. it didn’t. i got irritated.
I like that Jerry came out and said this. He called these guys out and is in a way challenging them and we will see what comes of it.
I agree, give Maine, Perez, and Pelf one more time through and if they are still not pitching good for whatever reason (Injury, control, needed longer spring training, or physiological problems lol) then you no what have them go work it out in the minors instead of at the major league level where they are losing us games.
I really can not say much about Hernanadez because this is what you had to expect from him. He will pitch solid against teams like the Marlins and Brewers who are filled with free swingers. He does not match up against good disciplined hitting teams like the Cardinals.
For every fan who keeps saying it’s to early stop worrying and all that. Well again like most us realize, it is early true, but the Mets have been playing this way since the end of 2007 and it does not seem to be getting any better.
Me personally I am going to give this team these next 6 games at home against the Nats and Marlins before I totally throw in the towel lol. We got Johann going 2 of the next six and this team needs to bounce back and go 5-1 on this home stand. If they go 3 and 3 or something worse then you no what say its early all you want but it wont be to early for me to stop wasting my time watching this team and going to games.
Can people stop crying about Manny? Do you not realize that signing a $25 million per season player isn’t exactly an easy thing to do, especially when this team already has the highest payroll in the National League. I have been down on Ollie since day one and spending an extra $4 million a year on Lowe is a lot more realistic than dropping $25M for Manny. Ollie has been over-hyped since he’s been here because of his Game 7 start in 2006. If I hear one more analyst on SNY or WFAN tell me about his potential and blah blah blah I might go crazy. It’s his 7th year in the league…he is what he is…no potential to fill.
I agree 100% enough with the garbage about Ollie and his “stuff” and his potential. He is what he is and it is never going to get much better.
To put it in an NBA perspective, he is basically Eddie Curry. Able to pitch 7 scoreless innings one night and get blown up the next. Curry is able to go 20 and 10 one night, then disappear for a week – presumably on a fast food binge.
i hear ya mos but these people wont stop crying over manny….its a losing battle. What amazes me is their crying for manny is futile because the mets are not going to get manny so what is the point in keep brining him up..but i guess thats mets fans for ya or some of them.
It’s not easy to commit 5 years to a pitcher who is going to be in his 40s at the end of the deal, either.
I would drop sheffield and bring in a long man for the pen. The tryout is over Gary, it’s over. Ken Takahashi is pitching well. He has 10.2 IP in 5 relief appearances. Give Tony LaRussa credit for going with 13 men in the pen. With position players clamouring for ABs, shortening the bench will have a huge impact.
I think two moves can salvage the season. One obviously would be getting a starter. I have heard that Halliday, Peavy and Oswalt could be available, one of these guys would be perfect.
The second move would be to get a gritty leader type player. All the experts are saying that you need a CF to play RF in Citi Field. What better guy that Aaron Rowand?? He is right handed, gritty/puts together good AB’s, and a gold glove outfielder. I think the Giants would do a Church for Rowand deal because they would save a ton of money. I think Rowand is the kind of tough/gritty guy this team desperately needs.
People here never got over Willie being a Yankee his whole life. I think being a Phil for a year is worse.
So you wouldn’t take Chase Utley on the Mets??? I sure would. I would take Utley, Howard, Victorino, Lidge, Hammels, and if he was willing to play 2B I would take Jimmy Rollins.
Well I didn’t have a problem with Willie being a Yankee. I was just waiting for the rotten fruit to be tossed this way :-)
I would take all of the above minus Rollins. Look at his numbers. He is overrated.
First off, teams don’t trade studd starters this early in the season, so let’s put that to bed right now. Second, rowand and Church are virtually the same player, and Rowand makes more money. How does that solve anything?
If you read my post you would see that I explained that Rowand is a gritty player that puts together good AB’s. This lineup obviously needs a change and I think that Rowand would be a nice fit.
Exactly. If anything, Church is the grittiest player we have anyway. Why deal from weakness to bolster weakness? Deal from strength to bolster a weakness instead. So we can perhaps trade one of our three closers. Putz has lost some velocity on that fastball. He’s been good, but I wonder what his fastball is going to look like in June.
Rowand sucks. Look at his stats outside of 2007.
I would take these statements way more seriously if Manuel didn’t make these kinds of “shake-up” threats about 50 times last year and change nothing, unless you consider playing the 5th string 2B the last 3 games of the year a shake-up. And I would take the “firing line” comment more seriously if the FO didn’t fire Randolph in embarassing fashion last year rather than canning him after ‘07 when they should have made a move like that – or keeping the coaching staff relatively intact this year after another September swoon unless you thought our 3B coach has been the culprit all along. Manuel’s charm has worn thin on me and I think this group of “talent” has been pampered for way too long from the Front Office on down the food chain. I think this group of players could actually win some games, but not with Jeff, Omar and Tony doing everything in their power to make these players feel comfortable.
agreed….ill put more weight on manuels word when something gets done, in the meantime its just hot air and a good sound bite..
This is just not a very good ballclub… Maybe Jeff Wilpon was right about last season… They overachieved…
Same old story for the last 3 years. What difference does it make to fire another coach. Fire the manager? Howe and Willies firing was messy and it didn’t make a difference. This team is a .500 team that is all, nothing new here. This same core of players will not be able to perform in pressure situations, no matter what coach is leading them.
Lets not waste our time winning about Manny or any other player that wasn’t brought in. This core of either Wright, Reyes or Beltran need to be broken up and someone with a pair of balls needs to come in.
Absolutely. Even if the rotation is repaired, this core will not get it done, Period.
How about giving a start to Parnell? He was a starter in the minors and has strikeout stuff. There is no one in AA or AAA who are ready, and between him and Stokes, Parnell has a much greater upside.
No. Not a good idea. The reason why Parnell is successful in his current role is because he can reach back and throw 96 since he is only out there for 25 pitches or so. Make him a starter, and then you are looking at 92MPH. Combine that with his lackluster offspeed stuff (which he doesn’t really have to throw as a reliever), and it won’t be pretty. Look at Joba Chamberlain. He was throwing 98-99 in the bullpen and blowing people away. Now as a starter he throws 93 and isn’t as effective.
Everyone please take a deep breathe and relax. You don’t make drastic changes this early in the season. Where would we have been last year if we gave up on Pelf after his April??? Just like in football, the head coach doesn’t change his entire gameplan because the opposing team score a TD on the opening drive.
Why relax? Thats what our team does, they do enough relaxing for all of us
That’s hilarious! And true…
If they demote Pelfrey, I’ll go out and get a Jeff Francis jersey and cheer for the Rockies.
At what point do we hold Omar responsible for ALL of this. I mean, 2007-2009. I always said get rid of Willie 1st. If the problems continued then you need to get rid of Omar. I think we are at that point.
But the same team will be on the field whether Omar is behind the desk or not.
Yes, this is true…FOR NOW. But I don’t think we can have him calling the shots at the trade deadline. This team was the most flawed of any of the past 3 years. Sure he fixed the pen, but not really. I’ll call K-Rod for Wagner a virtual wash (maybe a slight upgrade). So, the only 2 real good moves were getting rid of Heilman and Schoe and bringing in Putz. This rotation was flawed from the beginning and I can’t believe a professional GM wouldn’t admit that. Pelfrey coming off the most innings in his career was a question mark. Maine coming off surgery was a question mark and Ollie is ALWAYS a question mark. You can’t build a championship team with 4/5 of your rotation a crap-shoot. Because right now…we are just crap.
But what else would you have done? Should Omar not have given Maine and Pelfrey rotation spots because Pelfrey threw a lot of innings last year and Maine had minor surgery? Yes they were question marks, but any GM would have kept them. The only thing I would say that he could have done was signed Lowe instead of Perez. That would have made a difference, but who knows if the Wilpons gave him a budget and if Lowe was too expensive.
You don’t expect Pelfrey to be a #2. You go into the season with him as a #5. You sign Lowe over Ollie for the #2 or #3. Maine is your #4. Instead of WASTING your time and money on Freddie Garcia, Tim Redding, Alex Cora, etc.
I agree with that. But the bottom line is that Maine, Pelfrey, and Livan would still be killing the rotation right now even if we got Lowe. It would be a better situation, but still not good.
not sure if this has been pointed out, but Perez could not just be optioned to the minors, he would have to consent to it.
Maine and Pelf could be optioned…. the article says that clear as can be
Omar went out on a limb signing Perez to that contract, there is no way Omar will allow Perez to be sent down. Omar would admitting to the world that he made a mistake by signing him, and Omar never admits a mistake.
Following today’s game, Jerry Manuel told reporters that he will use his current set of pitchers one more time through the rotation, and if things do not get better, he will head out to Shake Shack and have a double, fries and a chocolate shake.
“It’s not rocket science,” he explained. “If they ain’t winning, then you’ve got to find something better to do with your time.”
I like this! Maine, Perez, and Pelfrey should be ashamed. They are paid to pitch, period! If they can’t cut it, hit the road! It would have been nice to see Omar put some money into the starting rotation other than Perez. Perez and Maine of gotten worse on a consistent basis over the past two years. I think this falls on Omar.
Yesterday I posted that La Rusa’s pitching changes in the ninth sent a strong message to his team, that he knows what he’s doing and that he means business and that he reduces chance as much as he can in order to win.
A second thought on the same events is that La Rusa respects the mets. Why if not, would he make three pitching changes in the ninth (risking wearing down the bullpen as someone noted) up by four runs.
The mets will face pressure all year. Every team they play, will try to play their best. They will not hace any days off. Plus they play in NY and they have three huge monkeys on their backs (2006-2007-2008).
I believe they’re up to the task (you gotta believe), I’m not sure Jerry Manuel is though (hopefully he is).
move maine to the pen,
send down fossum,
send perez to the minors,
put pelf on the 15 day DL to rest his arm
bring up niese and holt
I think they’d have to try them one at a time. I don’t think either guy fixes the problem. We need consistency. I haven’t seen Holt’s numbers but Neise is getting killed in AAA. They can’t promote him with numbers like that.
Its crazy, the Mets have the dominant bullpen to be successful. The only thing needed is to have starting pitching preserve the lead and hand the ball to relief in the 7th.
It just seems like they lack focus once they get to the middle of the game. By the 5th inning they can’t throw strikes and put guys on. This should be something that Dan Warthen should be able to deal with. It’s his job. I think we should invest in long relief to be honest. Guys who can pitch for 3 innings at a stretch to pick up for Ollie and Maine when they implode in the middle of the 4th inning.
Why not Pedro? He filled this role well during the WBC. Batters would only see his stuff once or twice around the order. Plus he would put some pressure on these guys to pitch well as rotation spots could be lost if he came in and got guys out.
PLEASE SEND PEREZ TO THE MINORS.
Let me get this straight….
Earlier in the week we got rid of O’Day and Figueroa and NOW Jerry wants to carry an extra pitcher ?.
WTF ?.
Who’s driving this train ?.
ODALIS PEREZ is still out there. I say go get him. He’s a lefty and at least he would be decent and not walk the ballpark. Could slot into starting or long relief.
Great another washed up fat guy.
…“It’s not rocket science,” he explained. “If they ain’t pitching, then you’ve got to find somebody who will.”…
That’s funny. Isn’t this quote coming from the same guy who’s going to “platoon” a .111 hitter(Sheffield) with a .333 hitter(Church)? Good way to end a 4 game losing streak, no? Hint to the manager: you’re supposed to put and keep players in the lineup who are performing well and you’re supposed to remove the ones who aren’t. Why does he seem to be doing the opposite? And where. pray tell, is he going to “find somebody” to replace any in the current rotation?
Keep Bill Singer the hell away.