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Last night, David Wright had an RBI single, plus two more strike outs, yet is hitting .282 on the season with a .371 OBP.
Wright also made a ‘fielding error’ in the sixth, on a ball hit hard, that bounced off of his chest and in to the outfield, on which a run scored.
For what it’s worth, Wright struck out in his first two at bats, and was then booed walking to the plate in the fifth inning, after which he delivered the RBI single.
Wright just hasn’t looked right all season, much like the team in general. In some ways, he is a symbol of a lot of what fans find so frustrating about the Mets, i.e., a Gold Glove, but a costly error; .297 with nobody on base, but .250 with runners in scoring position; an RBI single in the fifth when the team is ahead, but a ground out to leadoff the ninth when the team is down and in need of a rally.
Here’s the thing, I don’t boo, because it’s just not my style, but I understand why people are booing Wright right now. I’m not saying it’s the classy thing to do – but, I get it.
Wright is the face of the franchise, and when most every fan is frustrated with the franchise, guess what, it’s face is going to get booed – it’s as simple as that. Again, it’s not right, but it is what it is.
Personally, in the end, I find I am having a hard time trusting the Mets right now. It’s difficult to let go and in trust a team that has let me down back-to-back seasons the way they have. I mean, every time they get going, like Monday, they then stop dead in their tracks, implode and go to sleep, like last night.
So, while I want to believe, I don’t know what to believe in.
Individually, I like the 25 players on the roster; I like the manager; I feel as a team they are capable of winning the NL East. It’s just, I have a hard time totally buying in, and so, while I feel good yesterday morning, and seem at peace, I then wig out today, because I feel jerked around again, while fearing any success will just be silenced anyway, whether tomorrow or the last day of the season.
In other words, I need this team to inspire me and earn back my trust, so I can get me back to believing; and until that happens I’m going to feel frustrated; and while I do not boo, others probably will, because it’s the only way we, as a fan base, can truly express our frustration.
I hope the players and manager can understand this, be patient, and work us back in to trusting them.
I still dont understand how that was an error. the ball was hit very hard and took a bad hop. It hit his body and bounced another 20 feet.
True dat! I was there and I was shocked to see Wright get an E on that one.
Matt!
Congratulations!!!!!!
I think you have finally rebounded with some critical yet fair critiques of the Mets. I have been waiting a long time to hear that from you. I love it. Makes me remember why I loved reading your opinions. I hope this continues. Not that it has to be criticial, but I like that it does not seem like you have been drinking the Mets-cool aide.
I am truly happy.
Now if Matt can recover, how about the Mets!!!!!
I think Matt hit it on the head. I love this team. I watch every game. I get excited for the next game hours before it is played. But I hate them at the same time. :)
So true…go to bed so annoyed at this team last night, but then I wake up today looking forward to the next game. They’ve been a big tease for 2 years now but I keep coming back for more.
Matt is 100% right – I really want to believe in this team and I give them chance after chance to show that they deserve our trust only to be let down in the end.
I just hope at some point soon they figure this thing out and go out and win 12 out of 15 and give everybody a real reason to believe they can play into Ocotober again. They have the talent….it’s just so frustrating…
I agree. Great commentary, Matt. Captured my sentiments exactly.
DID YOU WATCH THE GAME? Wright let the ball play him? Are you serious. That was an incredibly hard hit ball that I am not sure ANY MLB 3B could have handled. Get on him for his hitting, he is stinking right now. But to get on him for that joke of an error really shows me something.
Exactly my point
What does it show you?
Ok, one less error…that doesn’t make a difference. He still stinks so far.
Exactly, the ball was hit very hard and Wright atleast knocked it down and kept it within the in field. Matt C, David Wright is playing because he likes to succeed and for the team to get a W. Obviously he is not slumping to make you vexed, he is struggling.
So why not stop believing they will win, stop believing they will lose and just sit back and enjoy baseball and hope for the best?
TRS,
didnt we give up the season yesterday anyway?
I guess not, I thought they forfeited the season and then they still came out and played. I guess they did not get the memo.
dude get some rest. seriously
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slappy, waiting for the retirement TRS promised last night… lol
Never said that I was going to retire again, amazin. Then what would you do? Be a complete loser without a cause? You can do that with me here and have been for months.
This is how I feel. It’s just too early for me to get all worked up. Are there some disconcerting signs? Sure. But I’d rather just watch baseball then moan and complain after every loss– especially in April.
Did we also need another piece of David struggling? Last night’s game was neither won nor lost by him.
I’ve come to accept that here at Metsblog until the Mets actually win the NL East or make the playoffs, there are going to be over-thought Op-Eds and people going nuts in the comments section after every loss.
Ditto. I’m happy if my team’s in the hunt into late Sept. I’ve suffered through too many seasons where the Mets were scraping the bottom of the NL East to worry about some April losses. Particularly when it’s clear that they’re fielding a quality team.
Do I want them to win? Of course. Am I bummed when they lose? Totally. But only Yankee fans scream for blood when they don’t win it all every year.
I’m keeping the faith and enjoying the ride.
shocker..the mets do good-positive opinions from matt
the mets do bad-the world is ending opinions from matt
LOL, we have to remember that Matt is a Mets FAN but an owner of a business. You sell what your people want.
yea your right real…stupid posts like these keep those fans that think the season is over coming back…i guess hes gotta speak to the masses..
we are in GREAT SHAPE BUDDY, RIGHT??? wow what a team. always keeps me on the edge of my seat. never out of a game. fights to the bitter end. right? sure guy, sure
Did he say we were in great shape? Currently we are not and there is not a lot we can do about it. You guys chose to whine and we chose to wait.
never said the team is in great position but we are definalty not in a position to merrit so many rediculous responses i mean there is 5 MONTHS of baseball left…how is it impossible for people not to realize this is beyond me. Like i said the other day…maybe some of you should reassess if baseball is the sport for you…
The one thing I hope from fans like amazin and fongululou is that if the Mets achieve ANY level of success this season, that they be fair and sit at homes and sulk. That’s what I hope. Stop trying to equate your enthusiasm in the Mets’ faults with any realistic expectations you have for the team. These fans who boo and complain shouldn’t jump around and high-5 if the Mets win the division. Booing David Wright? Makes me effin sick. The problem is the dumb fans in this city feel that they are entitled to a winning team just because they fork up cash to see them play and buy the hats. YOU AREN’T ENTITLED TO ANYTHING. These players don’t care about you, and all you’re doing is rooting for a bunch of men placed on the same baseball team, and that team plays in your geographic location. The pessimistic fans here just can’t seem to understand that this team owes us as fans absolutely nothing. The complaining about the new stadium, about hitting with RISP, about the staff, just shut up and stay home.
BTW, I have 2 tickets I won’t be able to use for today’s game. I work in downtown nyc and for 20 bucks would give these 2 tickets away (face value: $42). Sect 427, row a (prom. box). Please reply here if interested.
no thanks…
agreed boscov….i guess you can blame 2006..
+1
Matt, try to find positives out of the game – some people are tired of your whinning.
We all saw the mets at bats after the blast from Cantu and they weren’t productive. I understand that you are covering the game but there were still positives within the game, you need to calm down.
To be honest, I don’t think this is a ‘world ending’ post. It’s actually more fair than many reactions lately. We need to be shown something, a step in the right direction. The pieces are all there, but they have yet to take that step. Part of it is Wright’s typical slow start, Ollie’s lack of spring training, Delgado’s hip, and the general team’s (or Manuel’s?) lack of aggressiveness on the basepaths.
Gary brought up a good point last night. How often do you see the RF, or even the LF, gun down a guy trying to go first to third? especially in a bigger park like Citi Field? Even Manuel said they need to do it more. So why aren’t they doing it? stolen bases, first to third, this is how you tack on runs so that even if you have a bad day with RISP, you still win.
ceet im not sure if you caught my posts in the other thread but your absolutly right. Manuel has cost us several games and does not practice what he preaches. Where is the agressiveness from this team on the basepaths…force the defense dammit. Reyes should be dancing out there…get some attention on him, distract the pitcher at the plate. Stuff like this i want to see but i gues this is manuels style of baseball….no small ball, no run game…
Totally! Matt’s post was on the money. It wasn’t a doomsday scenario. And if I want a rosey picture painted of a lame loss, I’ll go to Mets.com.
This one comment – ‘I need this team to inspire me and earn back my trust, so I can get me back to believing; and until that happens I’m going to feel frustrated’….
What you’re asking for and/or complaining about, is the exact problem the team itself has in general – no confidence. They need some confidence to get going. We’re now holding them to a higher standard than some of us as fans are willing to rise to ourselves. I understand the sentiment , I understand the frustration but…
Ya Gotta Believe.
Ya gotta believe…. this team has major issues.
Well thanks for that insightful analysis.
Amazing, for sure.
well, once in a while you need to come down the cloud you live in.
And once in a while you need to come up from the pit you live in.
When are you retiring again??
Why? I’ll bet I’m far happier there then you are in that dark hole you must live in.
we’re all dying to come out of that pit we are in. this team gives us no reason to do so, period
Why not just live in the middle and be rational?
Obviously it’s both genius. What team does not have issues? And we for sure have our lot. If it is easier for you to bitch and complain and give up, go ahead.
Well stated.
Wow, even I could not have said it better. I could not believe in 2007 and 2008 in the middle of a pennant race when we were struggling the fans booed instead of cheered. What other frachise would do that?
the phillies
Not at all, the Phillies were struggling to hold off the Mets last year and even lost the lead in Met like style. Their fans paniced on radio and message boards but then cheered their asses off during the games.
They ony cheeres causes their team kept on winning down the stretch. you think they would cheer is they lost a 7 game lead with 17 to go? I think not
Were they cheering when the Mets gained 7 games on them and took the lead?
LOL
While I might be screaming my head off at the frustration of it all, you’re never gonna hear me booing. That’s just kicking ‘em when they’re down…
Exactly everyone needs to remember this is their job. How well would you perform or feel if whenever you struggled at work someone was behind you booing or cursing at you because you didn’t come through right than and there. DWright is struggling right now just like he does every April. It happens to everyone. I’m just glad David struggles in April and is fine the other 5 months there are guys who struggle a lot more. Fans booing anyone let alone Wright is silly. Do you know how many teams and their fans would kill for Wright on their squad? My guess is at least 28 and that may be low.
Maybe we should boo them and remind them of their failures with RISP every interview. That should help their confidence right? Or maybe the manager should come out and say he doesn’t trust his SP the htird time through the lineup, or he didn’t bunt Tatis because he didn’t trust the two guys behind him to get a hit. Confidence.
As for the booing comment, I completely agree.
I have to admit, I did boo at one point last night and that was right after Bakers walk and then followed by Cantu’s (second) HR.
My boo was not directed at Sean Green. He was obviously battling and did not have it.
The boo was squarely directed at the Gangsta for not bringing in Feliciano to take care of Baker (if he had done that then you would probably have gotten out of the inning tied). And then not bringing on Stokes to face Cantu. Green had thrown 18 pitches but only 7 strikes.
As you said in a prior post, hang the loss on the Gangsta. I agree totally. Bad moves by the grandmaster gangsta cost us that game.
your comment is gangsta
You are absolutely right. Too often the boo’s are misrepresented as being directed at the players when they are really directed at the manager and the poor decisions he makes.
First with Willie and now with Jerry this has been the case far too often in the last 3 years.
Green has showed me nothing yet this year and should be our fifth or sixth best bullpen option. Too often Jerry uses guys based upon the inning and not upon the situation of the game. That was a crucial situation and it wouldn’t hurt us to even consider using Putz earlier in games when it’s a pivotal moment.
Jerry is Willie with a sense of humor. Can’t we get a manager who can use a pitching staff properly?
Matt, this is really getting ridiculous,
how about you wait a few days before giving an opinion, LITERALLY yesterday an opinion titled “In a good place”, today “I don’t trust the Mets”
get off the ledge man, then again, as obviously a business man, you are trying to draw attention to the blog and comments section and a post like this will only bring out the alex’s of the world and fill up the comments section, and make your sponsors happy..
ugh
M.O.B.
Money Over Bloggers
Exactly.
How about you guys read my post further down the blog. You might find something in there that fits all of you Matt C. “haters” Cut the guy some slack. He is a fan just like you and I!
You mean the post in which you ask Matt for a date?
lol good one..pretty appropriate.
I hope this is Matt’s commercial-ism rather than bi-polar dis-order
Just to show you how Hollywood this blog has become, the term “commercial-ism” causes a post to await moderation.
its obnoxious, i remember when he was just a fan, and every other post wasn’t a “ratings” grabber
Me too and the rational intelligent fans outnumbered the irrational.
TRS, I think the rational do still outnumber the irrational…it is just that the more irrational and obnoxious some are, the more attention they get, so their numbers seem much higher. I mean, what does “The Core” group number? 6? 8? 3? Just alex and billy?
And while I cannot prove it, I also think that the Silent Majority of fans here are clearly reasonable.
I have posted infrequently since the season started because the level of disucssion, whether it has been positive or negative, has been atrocious.
One of the problems you get when a site or blog gets bigger and attracts more visitors is that with the increase in visitors you get an increase in bad posts. Example is mets.com message board. I left that place because of how moronic and worthless 98% of the posts were. You find a more obscure site and it is still a problem but not as prevelant at least that is what I have found.
exactly what I was thinking. I missed reading my blogroll yesterday, and as I was going through my readings, I first saw this one…. then a few entries later, I saw ‘in a good place’ and I was like huh?!?!
Matt, definitely being bi-polar. stop feigning the understanding attitude that you splattered all over this blog entry, and admit your craziness along with all the boobirds out there. you got this blog to praise then vent. all they got are their boos (followed by cheers if something goes good the next play).
In the end Matt is still a Mets fan. He just has a lot more access than we do and his thoughts/feelings about the team are often what drives the content on here just like any other blog.
stay classy
when a player’s performance is like Wright’s he is going to be booed whether “is right or wrong” to do it.
He deserves the boos as much as anybody else.
It’s simple to stop them. Play like you are supposed to.
I actually agree with you. When you are the owner, manager, face of the franchise or an outspoken player when the heat is on you are the one that will get blamed rightfully so or not. Wright did not ask to be the face of the franchise at such a young age but he is and he will just have to learn to get over the boos if they are bothering him. It does not make the boos anymore intelligent.
But why, Amazin? WHY do you boo? It’s clear that you’re expecting David Wright, and the rest of the team, do provide YOU with something. And can you explain to me why you deserve anything from David Wright? You don’t think he wants to go out there and succeed? These moron fans just get so confused. You want Wright to do well, you want him to hit with RISP. Great. So when he doesn’t do it, you boo, because he didn’t do what you want.
The answer is no, this doesn’t happen with the Phillies. The only other team that would have its fans boo its own players is the Yankees. That’s because we’re all new yorkers here, and apparently we’re entitled to our team’s success despite the fact that it makes no rational sense to get so attached to a collection of grown men playing a game in geographic proximity to our homes.
Thank you Matt for realizing what alot of us have been saying for almost 2 years now.
“In some ways, he is a symbol of a lot of what fans find so frustrating about the Mets, i.e., a Gold Glove, but a costly error; .297 with nobody on base, but .250 with runners in scoring position; an RBI single in the fifth when the team is ahead, but a ground out to leadoff the ninth when the team is down and in need of a rally.”
I think that is exactly part of the problem. The face of our franchise is soft, and somehow, subconsciously, this team is totally soft. I’m not saying Wright doesn’t want to win; I’m saying he doesn’t exactly exude grit and balls.
Would people just stop using the word GRIT. PLEASE!!!
agreed NY Cuban.
Great blog Cuban!
So you trade him for grit and balls? Again, he did not ask to be the face of the franchise. You can’t get equal value in a trade for him.
So you trade him for grit and balls? Again, he did not ask to be the face of the franchise. You can’t get equal value in a trade for him.
LETS HOPE THEY AT LEAST TRY…!
We have no idea if they have. One would hope they have not. However, common sense tells you you can’t. Seriously, when is the last time a frachise player under contract got traded? When is the last time that type of trade brought equal value?
And what about when he went flying into the stands to catch a pop up two seasons ago and walked off the field to a standing O?
Forgotten, Why? Because hs truck out with a runner on third last season.
I think people want DW to be more like DJ in the Bronx. Instead, he is more like A-Rod.
EXACTLY. But you can’t force yourself to be DJ. When you do, you end up like A-Rod. And when Wright gives one of those “perfect” scripted interviews, he comes off like the latter. Once upon a time, I thought we would have a DJ here…now I don’t think so.
Jeter career with RISP: 312 .405 .437
Wright: .299 .393 .495
Pretty close to me…
What the f*** has DJ done the past 8 season? what has he won? DJ was a product opf some really good teams with some really good pitchign in the late 90s.
sure he came up with some big hits, so did DW.
DJ is on eof the most overated ball players in the game, you dont believe me? Just ask the players
I’m going to tell you the same thing I tell one of my friends who is a huge Wright supporter. My problem with Wright is that he has changed. I don’t know if its the contract, if its the VitaminWater deal, if it was the HR derby, if it IS being the face of the franchise…but there once was a guy who ran through walls for you. But now, there is a guy who forgot how to just get a single, but is always looking for the 5-run HR. Something happened there. I can’t put my finger on it, but he’s not the same guy from 2 years ago.
Actually I think he is the exact same guy. He still runs hard and plays hard. The guy is always getting his uniform dirty and making plays. I think the problem is really the fact some fans expect him to do no wrong and always come through when needed. It just isn’t that simple. Hitting a baseball is not an easy thing to do. Could he be hitting better with RISP sure and in the end he probably will. He is struggling right now just like last April and the one before that, etc.
he actually struck out with a runner on third and one out last night. and many many other times
many many many…
he strikes out at the plate, and you strike out in life, ya guys got somethign in common
LOL!
I agree with your sentiments, Matt. It is just so wierd, and frustrating watching a team as talented at the Mets continue to spin their wheels, as they have over the past two years. We see how capable they are, but only in short bursts. Mostly it is over a 2-3 game stretch. They have not shown the ability to truly finish off a team, as often times they appear listless in the final game of a series in which they have won all previous games. Even within a game, when all they need is one more hit to put the game away, they take their feet off the gas, as if what they have is good enough. Haven’t they learned over the past two years that it isn’t good enough until they clinch a playoff spot?
For a team that has lost out on October on the final day in each of the past two seasons, you just don’t see the sense of urgency with each and every game that you would expect. Instead, the team comes out with the same laid back, docile nature it has had since June of 2007. The core of this team saw what they are capable of in 2006, when they played each and every game very hard, while never letting off. This 2009 team should be capable of even more.
To me, the signature moment of 2006 was in Philly, at the end of the 10 game road trip through LA/Arizona/Philly. The Mets took the first two against the Phils, and in the bottom of the 9th, with 1 out, Wagner was on, with the winning run on 2nd base. Wright then turned a ridiculous double play, and after they won, you could see the fire in the team, that they wanted it more than any other group in the NL. I don’t see that characteristic in the ‘09 Mets. In fact, I bet that this team would have dropped that final game of against the Phils, if not dropping 2 of 3 games, becuase they just don’t show that same passion and drive.
Hopefully I’m wrong, and overreacting. At the same time, some may say its early, but this is the same thing I’ve seen over the past 2.5 seasons.
What is this? Pity time for Matt Cerrone? You don’t “trust” the team? What does that even mean? This is baseball, they’re not playing well right now, deal with it.
dont worry dark..he was in a good place yesterday lol..
i think you’re forgetting this is his blog, not the official blog of the new york mets. he can do whatever he wants
Sure he can and hopefully these guys can too.
not sure what that means
You seem to forget, Matt Cerrone is “the pragmatic one”.
Metsblog is at its best when it is providing news, interviews, extra access (e.g. during spring training) and linking to commentary around the Web.
Metsblog is at its worst when it is attempting to provide commentary of its own.
We could use a bit (ok, a lot) less bloviating.
agree 100%, this post is metsblog at its absolute worst
Pitching wins championships. We have 1 pitcher, thats not enough.
Agreed.
omit santos, put murphy in the bench, and for god’s sake get delgado healthy (no pain in his pain). that’s the only way this team will will a pennent
Great, this post will bring out all the loons.
By the way, Wright’s defense on Saturday probably should have been the first or second star of the game.
People already forgot that, all they remember is his “error” last night.
AND his strikeouts.
How about the rest of the games?
I dont forget about the rest of the games, my point is people forget the good and only remember the bad. thats why they boo.
While individually, the players on this team have tremendous talent, it seems like collectively, they are not a ‘team’.
It’s tough watching uninspired ball on a day, day out basis from this team.
I know they want to win but they just don’t seem to go the extra mile to achieve it…
the team is the definition of mediocrity…for over two years now.
I know Reyes may not be an Einstein and part of what makes Reyes go, I guess, is his free spirit and wild personality. You guys know its similar to like Ollie being Ollie! lol…I also know cracking a smile when you are
0 for 4 and your team is down by a few isnt the biggest deal in the world and probably doesnt effect what he will do at the plate one bit but it sure bothered the HELL out of me!!!! If Jerry manuel does nothing else this year i would like him to institute a rule that does not allow smiling until this team lives up to HALF its potential!!!
I have to agree
so you want him to sulk and be depressed…yea thats going to help correct the mood. Reyes brings energy to this club and i have no problem with him smiling and keeping the team upbeat. What made reyes great however was his ability on teh basepaths and until now that aspect of his game has been shut down….we need that back BAD!
No not sulk one bit. Look mad…have the eye of the tiger…look extra extra focused. Someone needs to step up and be angry in a positive way though. Clap extra hard etc. Yes this does work
will that get him on base and steal joe…having a pissed off look, being angry….
Oh and that includes himself too!! Hey Manuel your gut feelings dont pan out too often! Please go by the book a little more. Thanks.
If this continues, Manuel doesnt make is past May.
i woudl disagree…manuel is not on a willie watch…he has the season
Not certain what you can take away from a home series against the Nats followed by the Marlins.
If you lose to the door mats of the division, then you are terrible.
If you split with the door mats of the division, then that is no better and at best its an opportunity lost.
If you sweet the both teams, you feasted on poor teams.
There is really no upside for playing these two teams back to back.
Now if we take into account that the Mets were struggling and that the Mets head to Philly after this homestand, this homestand was a way to gain a sounds footing and perhaps a little momentum.
And the Mets appeared to be doing that until the six inning of yesterday’s game. To be honest, I was already counting the win, plus the sweep to be finished by Johan today, which would have meant a 5 win homestand. Now, if Johan does not win we end up splitting the homestand (again against the door mats of the division) … hardly a spring board on which to head into Philadelphia.
It just goes to show you dont count your chicken before their hatched.
(And yes the Marlins are in first place, but we all know that wont last … they are and always be an NL east door mat).
The Marline have two world championships since 1997. How many have we Met fans celebrated in the past 23 years?
I don’t think you give the Marlins enough credit. They may fade toward mid-August, but until then, they are a very talented team, based on their pitching staff. Eventually, maybe next year, they will be able to withstand the rigors of a full season. Heck they may even take that step last year, but considering the recent injury history, I’m not so sure.
But then they will trade a star player and be crappy again.
Right, but until then, they are a pretty tough adversary.
Cerrone couldn’t have said it any better. I feel the same way after a win, but it’s losses like last night that make my stomach turn. I think the main problem here is this laid back, “I don’t care” attitude from this team. However, the only one who truly cares IS the face of the franchise, hence him for whatever reason accepting all the pressures of the whole team whether it’s defense or at the plate.
I can’t help but feel that this team has nothing but a bunch of guys who lack character and are ridiculously scared to have fun and play baseball, outside of Reyes. It’s A GAME, and I think the more we as fans see our players on the field having fun, it becomes more fun for us as well.
These boo-birds are killing me too. The fact that there are way too many hockey fans at the game who are accustomed to being rowdy and booing every chance they get is insane. Pull for your team for god’s sake. And PLEASEEEE…. STOPPPPPPP the wave. When the score is 4-2 at one point, and people think starting a wave is cute because we can actually pull it off now, serves people right for leaving home pissed that we lost 7-4. All because of the wave!!
Exactly. What’s the main difference between the dominant team of 06 and the anemic team of losers we’ve seen this year? They were having fun in 06. They were laughing and cheering and dancing and showboating. Then, for some reason, they got all self-concious about people hating them for their dancing around and they haven’t been the same since. We were a healthy starting pitcher away from the WS that year….
well i think the 2 collapses i think killed the dancing….We used to play hard nose/agressive baseball..that aspect has died unfortunatly…
Yeah, but the death of that aspect of our game was the cause of the collapses, not the other way around. The team from 06 should have been good for 07, but they had lost the hard-nosed edge.
i think they had it in 07 but the pitching wasnt there and that is what did us in. THe same issue in 08. Now that hard nose/agressive style baseball is non existant under manuel
Dirty, did you see them play in June on 07? That was some of the worst all-around baseball I’ve ever seen outside the 2003 Tigers. Yes, the pitching wasn’t great that year, but June and September were attrocious for the entire team.
lol yea those months were bad but they still managed to stay in first…..
Their struggles in June that year were only masked because the rest of the division couldn’t win a game, either. Their lead never really dwindled too much before they picked it back up. But they showed their true selves that month, and again in September. These guys need to remember what 06 was like and play like that again.
Matt, I’ve been feeling the same as what you posted here since June of 07. That month they won, I believe something like 6 or 7 games while looking like they do now. That’s when they lost me and I knew that season was boned. They haven’t shown me anything since then to change this feeling. I haven’t trusted them since, but I still have a shred of hope… I think.
It took a post by Matt for Met fans to realize what “the core” bloggers have been saying all along?? Well, whatever it takes I guess. Most be very validating.. Finally…
‘The Core’ are a bunch of haters that want to explode the team and start with a bunch of fresh AAA guys. No thanks.
I believe they CAN win, but I don’t believe that they WILL win. Still, I sit back and have hope and never boo. Call me what you will, I really don’t care.
I’m not a hater. The only thing I hate is lack of effort.
But that’s just it. I do not see a lack of effort. I see a very confused team that has no idea who they are and how to fix their problems.
I agree with that.
Does David Wright ever show lack of effort? For a second?
I hate lack of effort as well, fxcarden. In fact, that’s what I hate seeing the most from millionaire athletes. The thing is, I don’t think I’m seeing a lack of effort from this team. What I’m seeing is a load of baseless self-doubt in a bunch of great young players. We have the team to win a championship, but it just doesn’t look THEY believe they’re good enough to win. I wish I knew what to do to change that attitude.
Wow, actually citing “The Core!”
This is too funny and too much…..
It’s funny how they decided to label themselves after the worst movie ever. I love it. :)
Rather than whining and begging for sympathy and violins, I would like someone to tell me how many teams competed for a playoff spot in each of the last three seasons, all the way until the last game of the season.
I promise you it’s a very short list.
Nothing is guaranteed in baseball. All you can ask for is a team that competes for the postseason. We have had that each of the last three years for 162 games each.
10000% agreed….unfortunatly that rationale is lost in here…partly it seems due to matts tendancy to feed the loonies and negativity….
Without them this post generates about 10 comments. Matt is not stupid.
And this is what I have said many times about winning. I will still take this and having these expectations over the years of sucking we went through.
For some reason these ingrateful “CORE” idiots feel like they are entitled to something more despite their bandwagoning ways.
It’s just not reasonable to expect anything more than what we’ve had the last three years. Anything more is a bonus. There are no entitlements — even the Yankees, with their payroll, have not had three straight seasons of competition to the last day.
its just funny wanny how poeple quickly forget how bad we were just even in 2003 and 2004…
And the name calling started….
Have you told me yet how Wright’s defense has declined as we discussed in the other topic? Or do you refuse to acknowledge facts?
Can you answer the question I posed above?
“The Core”….LOL!!!
amazinbill, you are too much…I know I am ALMOST as much of a loser as you to keep responding, but you bait people with drivel every day to get attention, and now you are augmenting your fun little game by then playing the victim when reasonable people attack you?
Dude, seriously, what is wrong with you?
I also was pondering last night why they dont come back in games when I heard 2 stats….. being they already blew 4 games when leading by 3 or more runs. Last year was 14 total with that horrific bullpen! Wow and they havent come back when down by 4 since 07! Wow again..While trying to figure it out I wondered if they are a bunch of players that look at what happened instead of forgetting and moving forward to close out the game. I wonder when the bullpen gives up 4 does Reyes say hey I didnt screw this one up. This is totally just a thought but I hope they dont have a bunch of players like that. Maybe they dont even know they are doing it due to ther last 2 years. If I was Manuel I would demand in the late innings when down or in a close game every player has to be on the top step of the dugout clapping and encouraging!!! I mean in little league they teach you to support each other and make noise for your guys!
Trust me .. it kills me more then anyone !! I’m a soldier in the US Army stationed in Germany and I wake up at 1 and 2am in the morning to watch the Mets on MLB.com . and it blows me away with the lack of heart they show. Lets no even talk about how un-clutch they are. From the errors to the untimely hitting. When teams come storming back against the Mets they shrink and the opposing bullpen usually shuts them down rather handly. It can be very tiring and depressing to watch that kind of effort. But I NEVER boo my team. I’m there to support and to make things even worse for what seems to be a fragile group of guys. By the way I took vacation and went to the 2 exhibition games against the Red Sox , Citi Field is amazing !! Looking forward to getting stationed in the good ol USA sometime soon !! LETS GO METS !!
All I have to say is that D. Wright has been playing real gold glove caliber defense since the beginning of the season. He has saved just as many runs as he has failed to drive in so as of right now I am giving him a pass. He is a slow starter, however, the strikeouts are a little alarming. I’m sure he will turn it around.
Last night’s boot was not an error. It was an almost impossible play to make. With that said, I am kind of sick of the booing by shallow fans who only care about home runs and RBI’s. David has been painful to watch at the plate, but has been a pleasure to watch in the field.
Agreed.
Booing is pointless.
It may help the fan, that does not know how to express their emotions, feel better.
However, it does not correct poor play. It does not inspire passion. It does not help locate a fastball. It does not help take the ball the other way. It doesn’t help a thing.
I have to look at this team like a tragic comedy, it is the only way I can stay sane. Maybe I should take up yoga.
I read “The Bad Guys Won” and I can’t help but think that none of our “core” guys would cut it on that team. They would have been constantly made fun of and treated like a joke.
Guys, maybe this is a case of false expectations. Maybe 2006 made us think this team is something its not. Maybe 2006 was more over-achieving and this is more what we really are. I mean it HAS been 2+ years of the same behavior. Maybe if we didn’t think we were THIS good, then we wouldn’t be so let down all the time. Lets look at this team not through our Mets glasses but as objectively as possible:
We have a 1 man starting rotation. Pelfrey should have come into the year as a #4, not a #2.
We have a conundrum in the corner OF spots. Church is OK, but Jerry isn’t using him right. Tatis was lightning in a bottle last year, but I don’t think he will do the same this year. Sheffield is old and who knows how much is left in the tank. And Murphy can’t stay on his feet.
We are forced to rely on Castillo for the next 3 years thanks to Omar. At least he seems to have worked hard this off-season.
Reyes has clearly taken a step back. Although his performance has been masked by Wright’s struggles and the rotation, Reyes has not done much this year. And he, like Wright, wilt when the pressure is on.
Wright is the face of the franchise. He’s soft and over-rated. I know that’s blasphemy on this board, but again..lets think of it objectively, not as a Mets fan.
The catching situation is pathetic. Schneider is awful. Castro is worse, and we finally have a small feel good story in Santos who will undoubtedly be sent down soon.
The bench has no depth.
(And, although this wasn’t the intention of this post…the more I write, the more we have to blame Omar.)
But back to the original point, maybe we just aren’t that good. Maybe we should just be happy to win 85 games. This way, if they do win 90, we’ll all be ecstatic again. Just a thought.
very good post NY Cuban, the only thing is that i think this team was good in 2007 right up until the middle of september. but it definitely is not as good as we think or want it to be right now
Omar’s gambles in 2006 all came up roses. He then figured the same would happen in 07, 08, and 09, by gambling a ton that most of his roster would have career years. Thats not how you build a team, thats how you build mediocrity. He is one hell of a snake oil salesman, and the Wilpon’s buy it hook line and sinker. Ultimately this falls on the Wilpon’s for not knowing how to properly invest their money in the baseball area. There is a reason the Red Sox are loaded, and will be for years. They made intelligent hires at the top- scouting dept., Bill James himself, etc- using up to date technology to determine talent, not out-dated Omar and his cronies methods. The Wilpon’s unfortunately will never figure it out, we’ll be stuck with Jeffy’s silver spoon for decades. I’m psyched
The thing is what about this team makes you think it will be different than 2007 and 2008?
To keep putting bandages on the problem from previous years is obviously not the solution. Getting Santana last year didn’t change anything from 2007 and the bullpen hasn’t changed anything from last year.
If it was simply the bullpen or just one thing and fixing that one thing this team would be off to a great start.
It’s something about the overall team and all these people who have been here the entire time. Whether it’s Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Manuel, Castro, Maine, Perez, or whoever.
I don’t know what the answer is but it’s hasn’t clicked the last two years and I don’t think it’s going to just magically click this year. Something needs to change.
I just don’t know what that something or answer is
Excellent, excellent post Matt…I think what you feel is what most of us fans feel.
If there is anyone I don’t trust is Jerry Manuel. To me, he is “more of the same” of what the Mets have been the last two seasons with the previous manager. Minaya had a chance to “clean house” so to speak by giving the reigns to Ken Oberkfell on an interim basis to see what he could do with the team, by lighting a fire underneath them.
I think it’s debateable whether that fire was ever truly lit under Manuel last year. It seems the team responded positively to Manuel for awhile… but all that vanished quickly under the weight of late season offensive RISP ineptitude, and constant bullpen implosions. This season starts, and the Mets are “comfortable” in the same way under Manuel that they were “comfortable” under Randolph. This merry-go-round has got to stop. Manuel is cut from the same cloth as Randolph in his managerial style and philosophy, so how can anyone expect this team to have a different positive outcome on this season? To me, it sounds like Einstein’s definition of insanity. And who are the one’s bringing this to the fanbase? Minaya and Manuel.
So Matt, you can continue to have trust one day, and then the next day your trust is lost. But until there is a major organizational shake-up, you should expect more of the same vintage 2007-2008 Mets. Nothing is going to change.
Quite frankly, I think the comments you guys leave for Matt are a little over the top. I don’t comment often, but I do read much of the dialogue in the comment section. So here is a message to all of you guys who sit around looking for a problem in Matt C’s “opinion.” CHILL OUT! Matt is a fan just like we are and quite frankly, I respect the guy for all the effort in puts into making this a top tier blog. Just like us, Matt is a fan who has a mix of emotions because of this team. I agree wholeheartedly with Matt’s comments. There is definitely something wrong with Wright (no pun intended) and I also think there is something wrong with Reyes as he does not hit with runners on. He seems to be trying to take the ball out the park various hitting a line drive or slapping it on the ground somewhere. The team does take you on an up and down roller coaster. I felt good about this game and it was mismanaged by Jerry a bit and as always, when the Mets lose the lead, they lose their confidence. No Killer instinct. EXAMPLE: It was first and third in the first inning when Wright came to the plate with 1 out. Gary S. just got a nice hit and we are already up 2-0. All Wright had to do was go the other way, something he did religiously in years past. But instead, he just strikes out, which seems to be a recurring theme. And please don’t give me the excuse that he isn’t seeing the ball. Because it’s not like he isn’t getting hits. Just like Reyes, neither of them are timely with their hits and seem not to recognize what is needed in specific situations. As far as the error goes, I won’t debate whether it was hit too hard, but I thought that the reason you win multiple Gold Gloves is because you are able to snag balls and play your position better than the rest of the league. If you take the Gold glove honor, expect the criticism when you botch a critical play in a game. Just the way it goes.
This team needs to inspire us as fans. I think we as fans do some of the silliest things. While it is in our right to boo, how does it look to the visiting team when our star player is getting booed? We no longer have home field advantage at that point. Furthermore, these same fans that boo will try and start a damn Wave at a critical point in the game. I think some of us need to ask ourselves, What kind of fan are we? If the Mets Win, there is nothing that can ruin my mood for the day. If they lose; especially in the fashion they lost last night, I continue to let is fester. I ride or die with my team and I don’t boo them and when we are at a critical point in the game, I am their10th player in the stands while other fear whether fans are looking to do the wave and for reasons to boo the team.
Matt C., you and I are on the same page here. Why can’t the Mets win 12 in a row like Boston? Why can the Phillies come back from 8 runs, 4 runs, 10 runs…..any amount of runs regardless of whether it’s early or late in the game? As much as I hate Philly, their team has an unquenchable desire to win. they will stomp on your throat while you are already down and I respect them for it.
I have been a Mets fan since 1981 and the reason I became a fan is because I appreciated the fact that the Mets did not let any team bully them. You throw at our guy, were are going to throw at one of yours. You wanted to steal on us. We are going to have Darryl hit a bomb off your pitcher. The 80s team had the “it” factor that you expect in your team. And if you listen to Keith Hernandez in the booth, as kooky as he is sometimes, he seems to recognize that these Mets don’t have that “it” factor. And until they do, we will continue to have up and down emotions as fans.
Matt C., please continue to do all that you do. When you have a minute, shoot me an email (lmatthewp@gmail.com) as I would love to have lunch with you and talk Mets!
Were you on the same page as Matt yesterday when he was in his happy place?
I won’t u se the term “Happy Place”, but I felt that we had a good chance of getting a sweep of the Fish and really giving us momentum going into the Philly series. I don’t think it is as much about losing as it is about how the team loses. When we lost that game 11-8 last week, I was ok with it as we should some grit. We made an effort to fight back. But that grit can’t be on and off as the Mets have shown thus far.
Well, yesterday Matt was feeling good. Today he is feeling distrustful.
It sounds bipolar and knee-jerk to me.
I think the Mets have given fans a reason to be up and down as the team plays up and down. That’s not knee jerking, that following the flow of the team you love!
So I guess you don’t buy in to the Matt Cerronne/SNY conspiracies…ROFL. That’s my favorite one.
Followed closely by the picture of Evil Matt twirling his moustache as he drums up a the perfect post, crafted solely to drive folks to his comments section so he can continue to build his scrooge mcduck money pit with that Verizon money. I get laughs out of that one too.
Like you, I believe the Matt C. conspiracy theorists need to utilize their energy elsewhere. It cost money to keep a quality blog up and unlike other sites, Matt listens to has bloggers and has made changes based on what we say. He asks for our opinion and he does work hard to be our voice as he is fortunate enough to actually talk to the players and staff of the Mets while most of us only get to boo the team, do the wave, sing Sweet Carolina (I hate that song) and if we saw D. Wright on the street, we all would hound him for an autograph even after we just crucified him on the blog!
this is probably the most ridiculous comments I’ve ever seen on here in a while. let me know how your talk about the mets over a nice turkey club with Matt goes.
If you think that my comment is the most ridiculous comment you have read on here in a while, than you haven’t read many of the comments to this post alone!
I can appreciate a true Mets fan and in my opinion, Matt C is one of them. Frankly, if you are a true Mets Fan, you can join us for Lunch!
Has anyone discovered another MLB team that competed for the post season through the last game of each of the last three seasons?
Has any other team given their fans a reason to watch 162 games per season?
the yankees did it for a little over 3 eyars..the cubs have been good lately…the red sox too…whats your point? there comes a point when you must graduate..you must graduate from under .500, th e mets did that in 05, you must graduate from .500 tot he playoffs, ‘06, now you must graduate from the playoffs to the world series..the mets have yet to do so.
I’m optimistic with the team, and will defend them right up until they miss out on the playoffs on the last day of the season.
Once this team falls behind in late innings, though, I feel like it’s over. I hope, I cheer, I root, but something switches in my head, and I feel like it’s pavlovian. Come from behind victories have a particular effect, I believe, not only on the fans, but on the team itself. They said something recently about how many of the phillies’ wins were come from behind…how many times do you remember this team coming back in the 7th, 8th or 9th? I don’t remember many.
Of course, a lot of that dates back to our disgusting bullpen of last year…it could entirely be I’m misrembering offensive rallies blown up by that horrible pen. Bottom line: it IS still early, I absolutely believe in this team’s potential, top to bottom, and we can go all the way (given health). I don’t believe the team is passionless at all, I think they’re as frustrated losing games as we are.
I’m beginning to have serious issues w/ Jerry, though. Otherwise, I believe the talent and will are there. Win today, we take the series, our second divisional series in a row. With nothing but divisonal games (excepting the Bucs), we’ve got a great chance to make noise in the division. We’ll know a lot more about this team on May 14, and then we’ll STILL only be ONE QUARTER THROUGH the season!
“So, while I want to believe, I don’t know what to believe in.”
There’s a lot of that going around. Sounds like all those dopes who voted for Obama lol.
LMAO
I believe the swine flu is a threat to the Mets dynamic offense.
your right, i mean i really wanted my VP to be able to see Russia from her home.
Sounds like you were with the rest of the Nation waving good bye to Bush on January 20th when he got on that helicopter. Don’t bring Obama into the Blog buddy. Let’s keep it clean and focused on the Mets.
I am getting a pain in my pain reading all of this.. Lets go Mets!
You don’t trust the mets, eh? Well, I don’t trust that you went to high school. You’d think when SNY has you on their show, your website is being advertised nationally on commercials, and your interviewing players and watching games with the GM, you’d be able to take your job seriously and proofread your writing. You’re a joke. P.S. don’t do any more video interviews. You are so awkward.
Ouch
That’s hilarious. I needed a good laugh this morning. Nicely done.
Talk about Jekyll and Hyde blogging Matt:
Today you said: Personally, in the end, I find I am having a hard time trusting the Mets right now.
Yesterday you said: For the first time in a while, I feel good about where this team is at and where they may be able go.
Matt;s BiPolar
On the next season of In Treatment, Paul treats a whining underachieving juvenile, a sex addict, an unhappy couple and a bipolar sports blogger.
That my friend, in these circles, is known as the Oliver Perez syndrome.
LOL, yesterday posters wanted to talk about the Mets being on the right track. The “core” was not around. Today after a loss many of the rational fans are taking a break and the “core” is here. Get as many post as you can and increase revenue. Sort of feels like the Pistons calling the Cavs fans and getting them to show up for their playoff game. If you can’t win, make money.
problem is that no one wants to deal with “the Core”. I have a slow day at work so i have no choice. LOL
Actually when we ignored them they went away. However that was no fun as we had no one to make fun of.
This is a very sad and true state of affairs, I am afraid….
This team just appears to not have “it.” I know Philly hasn’t played well and Hammels is hurt again, but they find ways to come back. They trailed Washington by like 3 runs and scored 7 in the 9th. We can’t hold 3 run leads and if we fall behind late in the game, it is over. The offense disappears after the 5th inning, just like last year. They get satisfied with scoring early and take the rest of the night off. I just get the feeling we will have a sequal to the book the Worst Team Money Can Buy.
funny…you are saying the phillies “have it ” because they came from behind to win against the WASHINGTON NATIONALS BULLPEN…the same bullpen that blew 3 GAMES STRAIGHT against the marlins….good measuring stick…
Phillies 11-8 and Mets 9-11, they have not played each other yet. Neither team has IT right now.
12-8*
read it wrong my bad, your right
a sweep of Phillie this weekend will cure a lot of things, including Matt’s emotional well-being.
until they lose a game…then its back to posts like this one…
Wanny….agree.
Dirty…..agree.
while a sweep would e terrific, 2/3 is just fine with me.
Didn’t Matt just write an “opinion” two days ago saying that for the first time in a long time, he felt good about this team?
Honestly, I think the best bet is to skip any ‘column’ on here that starts with ‘opinion.’
it was yesterday, not 2 days ago
lol he did dave but as real pointed out and he is completly right…matt caters to those fans who love these opinions…keeps them coming back. Matt knows he makes more money haveing hits to his blog so instead of catering to the minority who realize there is 5 months of baseball left and by no way are the mets out of it….he would rather cater to the majority taht see the mets are off to a slow start and are somehow out of contention….
Even that changes daily. On days after we win the coward core members don’t even show up. Thus you need to write to cater to the rational ones and even the over the top ones that see nothing wrong.
When you lose you know that the rational ones will still be here and all the jokers will show up.
Selective memory…. the core members were here all day yesterday. After the “amazin win”.
I was here yesterday, and the day before too.
I’ll be here the rest of the year.
Me too….. lol
Maybe he was just feeling good after the Maine game and thought we would start putting somewhat of a run together and they lost to the Marlins again with little effort. He may just be frustrated like most of us..Maybe he is a saavy business man and doing what is best for his numbers. IDK either way what i do know is I feel alot like he does.
I think you hit it on the nose. This team cant string two feel good wins in a row. That is because of how the team is constructed by the chief architect.
Rotation goes like this….
1 Great,
2 So-so
3 Awful
4 Good enough
5 What ?
lol….. sad but true.
The problems I see from this team are the following:
1. The 2007 collapse killed this team’s confidence and took away its swagger. In 2006 and most of 2007, this team knew it was good and played like it as well. They came to the ballpark expecting to win – now it looks as if they are hoping to win.
2. Every team hates the Mets and thrives on beating them – yet the Mets are buddy/buddy with the opponent, always chatting it up on first base – these players are just a passive group – a few examples: a) When Molina was blocking the plate when Murphy and Beltran were trying to score in St. Louis, the first thing I would have thought of would be, “This guy beat us in 2006″ let me run him over at the plate. No not these guys. b) The Marlins ended our season for 2 straight years – you would think we would want to crush them at every opportunity. Not this team.
In a nutshell, this team is just a team full of nice, mild-mannered guys.
Agree with 1 disagree with 2.
Real,
What about #2 do you disagree with? When was the last time that this team ran over a catcher, brushed back a hitter, charged the mound. At least they should be playing with a chip on its shoulder, they should be playing with a “me against the world” attitude. This team looks too complacent, excuse after excuse. After what they have been through the last 2 years – I would want to destroy anything and everything.
true.
It’s more of a “please, not me!” attitude right now.
agreed on both
Agreed on both, and a lot of #2 is on the lame-ass coaching staff we have.
I look for this series against the Phillies coming up to be a very crucial one. People say they’ve got no heart heart, they’ve got no fight, well we’re about to see if thats true. Lets see how the mets handle walking into their rivals building (who hate the mets, as i’m sure the mets hate the phillies), and take a look at that ‘08 world series banner, and lets see how they react to that. And lets see when ryan howard lays the smackdown on a ball and the mets fall behind, if they jsut lie down and do this same stuff. Because if they walk into that peice of garbage bandbox against those a-holes, and pull this same garbage they’ve been doing this season, then I think a shake up is due. Because this is the moment the phillies fans have been waiting for, to watch the big shot big city slickers walk into their building and have to play their championship teeam, and they’ve been waiting to kick our butts, so if jerry cannot fire them up for this series, then idk whats going to happen with this team.
I wouldn’t read too much into the Phillies series. We owned them last season and how far did that get us. We seem to play them tough no matter what. Our true test is the Marlins and weaker clubs. Thats where we need to show killer instinct. Todays game is HUGE.
with what this series has become over the past couple of years, and coming into their building to play them for the first time after their world series championship, this is a big series. If you think people have been panicking now, you think the media has been getting thing overblown, well imagine the pandemonium if the phillies smack the bajesus out of us, which with the way they’ve been htting is a very likely possibility.
I think if the Phillies walk all over the Mets it will be a good thing in the long run…….
Heads will roll in the lineup and rotation, and Omar will be on the phone.
GetsbyBuckner – I have a better word to describe this team – the word begins with “P,” ends in “IES” and there is a “USS” in the middle.
Bingo, Coop! These players have empty cups!
That’s it right there. This team has no marbles.
Too bad all the drinking, drug use and inexplicable trade decisions took a toll on what should have been a dynasty.
Whoops, that was supposed to appear under the “Bad Guys Won” post.
And on a strategical note – while Jerry is harping on the fact that we never come back after losing a lead – why doesn’t he have his players bunt for a hit (when was the last time Reyes did that) or why doesn’t he hit and run, steal bases, force the issue – especially when a pitcher is on the ropes.
What drives me even more crazy is that all of us see it, why doesn’t the management that gets paid to see it, see it. Its mind-boggling!!!
well reyes did actually try a bunt yesterday and got rhown out…but i totally agree with you. unleash the reyes! this kid fowler gets 5 steals in 1 game, and i think reyes has 6 this whole season so far…inexcusable. cause some chaos, piss of pitchers. And when men get on base in the 7th, i’d rather have putz just come in there….i’d rather have putz come in two men on 1 out in the 7th, then to lead off the 8th, sometimes a game needs to be saved before the 8th and 9th innings, and having to closers is a luxury that needs to be used…remember we do have an off day tommorow, and johan is pitching today.. so if he’s gotta go 2 innings, so be it.
Murphs,
Green should be used as a ROOGY in the same way Bradford was used with Feliciano in 2006 – Parnell, Putz and Frankie should be the only crossover guys b/c they have swing and miss stuff – no other pitcher besides Stokes has that in this bullpen. Strike-out pitchers should get the late innings b/c they can pitch out of their potential mistakes and don’t always have to rely on putting the ball in play to get out of innings.
Side note to this, why does Manuel not manage his staff as if every game needs to be one – experimenting is to be done in spring training, not April.
i just don’t get why Putz MUST only come in in the 8th? why not bring him in an after a big inning in which the mets gain the lead, or when theres guys on base? you have two closers! the game sometimes needs to be won in the 7th..sometimes even the sixth!
Relievers are thoroughly misused today. Your closer has to start the 9th, and your 8th inning guy has to start the 8th. So if your starter gets in trouble, who do you bring into a 1-run game with 1 out and bases loaded in the 6th? Why, your mediocre middle-innings guy! A failed starter, a journeyman side-armer, a loogy. But that’’s what the book says, so that’s what all the gutless managers of today do.
I’m not even saying the mets have to win the phils series, I am just sayin they need to show some signs of life. I want to see them retake a lead in the 8th, i want to see them go down in the 2nd inning by four and come back to tie the game. if they can’t show fight against the phillies, when are they ever going to show fight?
*won
reyes bunted last night and was thrown out
I’m still jacked up over last night.. anyways we are coming to a crossroads on this blog. Another 20 games of this type of play and there will be no more valid arguments when discussing this teams frail psyche. The heart, guts, and fire people will be in the majority. It amazes me that after 2 consecutive years of late season collapses and the start of a third where they show absolutely no fight when they fall behind that there needs to be any discussion at all. They need to make this personal. Get the attitude of wanting to be the HEART BREAKER not the broken. If only they could see how much joy other teams get from breaking the mets spirit.. They would stop this nonsense and go out and scratch and fight and thrive when behind.
Scary thing is we don’t even thrive when we’re ahead anymore. So we become stagnant when ahead and impotent when we’re down.. :)
aka a .500 team
Why r we just one inning wonders?!
If everygame was just the first inning we would be the greatest team in the history of baseball. We lose energy after the first inning regularly. It would be nice to see Jerry hit and run more or do something to shake ‘em a bit.
A huge problem that noone ever bring sup is this power outage! i’m not saying they need to live and die with the longball, but i think omir proved the power of a hr every once in a while. Blame it on the stadium, the month, nerves, whatever, but they gotta start hitting for more power. If noone is going yard, that means we need to get mroe hits, and that means we need to get hits with risp in order to score, something that is brain surgery with this team.
Murphs,
I think that this exact thinking is why this team can’t hit consistently. This lineup is made up of players who try to hit an 8-run homer every at bat. In this park, power numbers are going to dip – plain and simple, we need to become a gap hitting team – line drive, line drive, line drive. You want to know what the most back-breaking hit is to a starting pitcher when they have a guys on in scoring position – ANOTHER FRIGGIN DOUBLE!!!! Why? b/c it keeps the pressure on. A HR clears the bases and the pitchers slate.
i’m not saying they should try to hit a homerun every at-bat..but for the love of god can they occasionally hit one!
Murphs,
If hitters consistently put line drive swings on balls – home runs will come.
maek up your mind….do they need to hit hrs or hit singles….
I think they should focus on the gaps at citi…murph does a good job with this but until the summer when the ball carries a bit more….gotta play to the advantage citi gives which is line drive city…
Dirty,
Agree 100% – line drives. Play to the park’s advantages.
They Just need to PLAY WITH ENERGY and passion for 9 innings, NOT one inning!
everything else will come if they compete as Johan does every second of every game he plays!