Luis Castillo and Carlos Delgado will not be in tonight’s lineup.
According to David Lennon’s Twitter feed, who covers the Mets for Newsday, Delgado was originally in the lineup, but after a meeting with Jerry Manuel he is no longer starting.
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Got to love Luis. Wonder if Minaya even had a physical done on the guy before he gave him that ludicrous 4 year contract.
Jerry’s probably just benching Luis again because he didn’t save him enough roast beef on the locker room buffet. And Delgado is probably bored again.
I think you are right about Delgado He probably is too board to play tonight
I gotta bad feeling about Delgado’s hip. We may need to think about a Plan B soon.
some of us wanted plan B in the offseason, which trade Delgado for pitching or a catcher, assuming he was going to break down sooner rather than later.
But, still not too late for a plan B, but gosh only knows what that is at this point.
i think it would come via trade but its going to be expensive…
There is a Plan B….. Tatis and Nick Evans
Take a look at Evans’s AAA numbers so far, he might best be called plan Z at the moment.
No idea what happened to Evans. He had a good spring (I think..). He is not this bad.
Anyway,. wouldn’t be the first time a guy got called up and did better. Maybe it is mental? A fluke?
Maybe hes doing this in AAA so he can lower his trade value.
Last I saw Nick was batting under 100,
of course we know that he’s superior to that.
tatis or MURPHY at first !?
Nick Evans is not a the answer….he is and will always be a bench player nothing about him screams start or tons of talent
Well Castillo probably want to rest on his .350 + average!!! Unbelievable-his back spasms must be the worst in history. Only the Mets. Wold Hudson look good now. I know Luis is off to a great start- can we see it for an entire season. Stay tuned.
Really, cause Hudson never gets hurt and has been playing 162 games for a few years now!!
Typical. Let me guess. These guys will sit on the bench for 14 days then go on the 15 day DL leaving the team short-handed.
That never happens with the Mets.
If Bill Simmons was a Mets fan, he would have come up with a nickname for this kind of roster management already. Call it the “Carlos Beltran effect” since I rememeber a very specific incident where Beltran sat out a week, pinch hit, then sat out two more weeks.
So you’re saying having Omir santos pinch hitting with the game on the line is not ideal?
Is there any doubt that delgado will pinch hit this weekend (ruining his retro date), have a setback, then be placed on the DL next week?
no way! that was only during the willie era. we are clearly still in the willie era. wait a minute…
Crap. I hope Delgado plays tomorrow. He owns Moyer.
maybe the weather is bad for the hip
Could be the reason, but he should at least make himself available for pinch hitting at the very least.
Just cause hes not starting, doesnt me he cant PH
exactly, if he can’t start, fine, but that doesn’t mean that he can’t play a part later in the game.
lol maybe Jerry just wants to see what he has in some of his other guys.
Jerry trusts his guys lol
The more we see of Tatis and Cora the better, they’ve been involved in all the rallies the last couple games.
Agree with that, but we have no bench.
More cowbell!!!
today’s lineup
Reyes, ss
Cora, 2b
Murphy, lf
Beltran, cf
Wright, 3b
Church, rf
Tatis, 1b
Santos, c
Pelfrey, rhp
Man that lineup does not look good to play against a team rival.
Why not? Step back a bit, look again and it looks like:
Core
Grit
Core
Core
Grit
Grit
Grit
Grit
Pelfrey
That’s a ton of grit right there, exactly what the Metsblog doctors ordered! :-)
My bad, the 5 spot should say Core, not Grit
Grave, but they dont have any heart.
Oh geez, now it’s heart we need? I was just getting used to it being grit. Let me know when it’s chutzpah!
…and the 3 spot should say Grit, sorry I’ll Grit while I’m ahead.
It’s harder to read from way back here than I thought!
LOL
LOL.
It was actually a really good point though, core vs grit. When you’re trying to establish yourself as a newbie, you have a lot less to lose, and lot more to gain.
I don’t remember the particulars, but if Minaya didn’t have to hand Reyes that contract, I wish he wouldn’t have.
Seriously, too funny!
Hysterical
Why start Santos? Who is going to pinch hit for Wright in the 9th now?
LMAO
Our Bullpen Catcher
Sandy Alomar?
No, Dave Racaniello
Charlie O’Brien
How could he bench his newest clean up hitter Sheff the great. The only joke on this team is the soon to be gone Jerry. Can we trade Manuel’s
Delgado’s presence in the lineup adds the fear factor, without it ……….. meh.
Fear of.,……what ?.
Another injury ?
Actually it looks like Tatis has Park’s numbers.
10AB .500 2HRs 8 RBIs
wow I forgot.., tatis hit 2 grand slam in the same inn against park.
lol maybe he should bat tatis cleanup lol
We should sign Barry Bonds. He owns Chan Hoe!
if only you weren’t kidding.
We should bring back Dae Sung Koo.
Manuel should be fired if doesn’t play Tatis tonight.
Indeed. That alone should get him fired.
He’ll replace Tatis with our bullpen catcher in the 9th inning
I’m anxiously awaiting the day that Delgado is Out for good. Get this team a real leader with a set of cojones who wont hide in the Trainer’s Room when the going gets tough.
Definitely. And if he comes and hits like he did last year, you’ll shut your dumb mouth because you’re a fair weather bandwagon moron.
So where, may I ask, are all the GANGSTAS?
on the bus
Yup. As Mr. Gonzalez of the Philthadelphia Inquirer said, we’re off to a nice little vacation spot. Somewhere between south of civilization and north of hell. Philthadelphia.
I think Philty is hell.
No, that’s South Philly.
And West, and North, and Northeast.
The Bus broke down
Thought it was the bandwagon.
Manuel doesn’t like Castillo so probably would’ve found some excuse to keep him out tonight anyway. I wonder what happened in the meeting?
Delgado: “Still a little sore, but I can play tonight.”
Manuel: “Pain? You’re out. This game’s not that important anyway.”
The only reason Jerry didnt play castillo last year was because A DEAD BABY COULD PLAY BETTER
The Delgado thing makes no sense since if you read the article he was Delgado was originally in the lineup, but after a meeting with Jerry Manuel he is no longer starting. meaning Jerry wanted him to start and Delgado expressed concern.
and ceet is just recounting how the convo may have went…
Concern is one thing but cowardice is another.
loll @ the game is not that important anyway loll
I wanted Delgado gon ethis off season (of course that started with the grand plan to sign Tex, but whatever…)
Frankly, if he is going to be in/out and hobbled all year, so innefectual most of the season (see: 2007) it would be better if he just blew something out entirely and was lost for the season now.
Evans screwed up the plan I think. If he had gone to AAA and mashed, they might not hesitate to put CD on the DL to rest and give the kid a shot.
tex wouldve been booed
had he started slow
which he is doing now
and minaya wouldve been critisized even more
paying 200mil for a dud
This next week will be quite telling. We’ll see if this ship can hold the water or not. If not (and I’m not going to say rid ourselves of wright and reyes because that is foolish) serious personnel changes must be made from top to bottom.
Any “telling” week that involves 5 games against the Braves makes me really nervous. That’s at least 3 losses. Probably 4.
what schedule are you looking at? this next week…now till next Friday afternoon has 2 against the braves, 5 against the phillies…
i was going off the top of my head. i know it’s 3 in philly, 2 in atlanta, 2 home for philly, then i thought it was 3 home for atlanta. longer than a week, but i was just saying thru the end of next weekend. am i right?
actually just checked. i was alittle off. we have 3 at home for pittsburgh. looks like 7 sure losses :-)
It’s been a few days since I checked, but recently Pitts was leading the majors in ERA. Your :-) now, but I hope we’re both laughing later.
Yup, they were leading the majors in ERA. I’m serious about the 7 losses. That would be 4 to Atlanta and 2 to Pitt. Which would mean we would win 4 of 5 from philly. I’d take that.
just more of the same from a team with no heart, guts, direction or leadership.
Cubs just hit a grand slam against the Marlins bullpen to take a 6-5 lead in the 6th inning. At least it’ll be difficult for the Mets to top that ugly of a loss. Wait a minute, the game isn’t over yet. Only Mets games are 6 innings.
Yawn
just started to rain lightly in Philly. QUite possibly they will play this game in the rain (at least part of it).
That might have something to do with CD and LC sitting agin?
Just please, don’t start this crrying hurt guys for a week on the active roster. They are geezers that take time to heal, so DL them and get a live body up here.
although they do have Livan as a PH off the bench.
What a difference a year makes. If it was last year Castillo would be playing. If there was a rain delay, they would make him go out there and run full speed on the tarp, hoping he’d slip.
LMAO, if he stays out for that long and underperforms when he does play between 3 and 4 day rests, we will be hoping he slips on the tarp
they will def get this one in….30% chance of rain til 9 and then it goes down to 10%.
considering the crummy forecast for tomorrow and sunday they will def get this one in.
Over/Under on how many runners left on base tonight?
I will go with 6
6 would not be that bad, if we strand just 6 runners, that measn we scored at least 10 runs
I think Vegas would have it at 8.5 and it would get to 8 in the first inning. We’d all have the over of course and the Mets wouldn’t leave another runner on base. We’d all be losers.
Its because were Mets fans isn’t it?
i dont think we can have more than 3 lob in one inning
the mets probably could. was trying to figure out a way, but the only thing i could think of was this:
bases loaded with two outs. ground ball back to the pitcher and the batter reaches first. for some unknown reason, the pitcher decides to get the runner going from third in a pickle. tags him out. not too close, but oh well.
OVER
OVER
Matt forgot to mention that in Lennon’s next twitter feed it mentions that Castillo told Lennon that he wants to play, but Manuel is holding him out of the lineup.
Manuel is a freaking tard!
On some levels, I agree, but I have heard reports that it’s raining in Phil and if true Jerry probably wants to avoid further downtime for Castillo by risking him tweaking something on wet ground.
He can keep dry in the bullpen and Jerry can call for him moments after his pinch hitting appearance should have taken place.
Both of these guys should have been DL’ as soon as the injuries happened.
Delgado isnt gonna play tomorrow against the lefty and Castillo seems more than a day a way which means they will be out for at least a total of 5 days. Why does this team insist on playing short for periods of time?
Dl these guys and lets get some guys up who can fill in.
If Theo Epstein was running this team, ODog would be at second, Murphy at first, , and Delgado and Castillo would be retired.
We were playing with house money with Delgado last year, and should have let him walk.
And don’t get me started on the curse that is Luis Castillo. Hopefully they’ll DL him, and his automatic absence will translate into the Mets playing like the ‘06 Mets. It happened every time he was gone.
Theo can force players to retire?
Who do you think got rid of Bonds?
Collusion?
Well Theo would have cut Castillo and not resigned Delgado. And I seriously doubt anyone would have taken a flyer on Castillo, and Delgado would likely have been given a super low ball offer and been waiting around like Pedro is now.
What you non ODog fans should do is get extra innings, and watch a weeks worth of Dodger games. It was an eye opening experience for me.
Hey, I’ve watched Hudson play. He’s solid, but he’s also a major injury liability. I’d be shocked if he plays over 140 games this year.
Calling Odog an injury liability is akin to calling Beltran an injury liability. Or Church. AKA, they ran into players (Cameron, Manderson) in freak injuries from playing the game hard. Go look it up.
Castillo, Ben Sheets, Rich Harden, Alou, Castro—— those are injury risk players. Completely different.
No doubt he’s very good when he plays, but adding a guy who for 2 years in a row has been on the DL in September to a team that needs all the help it can get in September was not a good idea IMO.
Not resigning Delgado would cost the Mets $4m as a buyout. For an additional $8m he’s a steal.
Anyway, add Delgado’s $4m buyout to the $18m left on Castillo’s contract (which you pay even if you cut him) to whatever “O-Dog” makes and you’re paying an awful lot of money to an injury prone 2B (whom you are over rating based on a 20 game sample) and you still don’t have a LFer.
Not to mention Murphy doesn’t have the pop a first baseman and hasn’t really played the position before (not that the same doesn’t apply to LF).
It’s a bad idea all the way around/.
And why pick on Castillo while he’s hitting .350?
Agreed Wanny. Let’s leave Castillo alone right now. It was Jerry’s choice to sit him tonight. If Delgado goes on a tear like last year we’ll all be thanking our lucky stars.
It’s not 20 games. It’s his entire career, and it’s how he PLAYS the game. Get your head out of stats and watch these guys play. In just the last week ODog has had more late, 2 out RBI than the Mets have had as a team all season.
As far as Castillo, good for him he started off nice. But he AGAIN got injured. And has been a cancer on this team for 2 years.
As far as the sunken cost of Delgado and Castillo: Alou, Wagner, Pedro, and El Duque have been significantly greater sunken costs that we have lived with and survived through. Eat the money and bring in different players to compliment the core guys, b/c this formula hasn’t worked for years!
I don’t even know where to begin.
“clutch hitting” career stats:
Hudson close and late: 279 .351 .421
Castillo: .293 .369 .330
(no real difference)
Overall hitting:
Hudson: .283 .348 .436
Castillo: .292 .368 .356
(slight edge to Hudson because of the SLG difference, though Castillo’s OBP is the more important numer)
I don’t see a big difference in their production.
re: sunken costs
All of those guys you referenced were sunken costs because of injury — not the choice of the team to pay those guys to play elsewhere.
And what is the beef with Delgado? Do you remember the crowd chanting MVP for him last season? A $12m MVP candidate? That’s quite a deal.
go look at their 2 RISP stats. And go look at the fact that castillo cannot run anymore, can’t play more than a few games in a row.
Once again, I’m very happy with what Delgado did last year for that half a season. But it was playing with house money. He is a 38 year old who for a year and half was completely terrible before he got hot.
Finally, this team as constructed, for whatever reason, DOES NOT WORK. The aim should have been to bring in different players to change it up, particular guys who play with a confidence that a Manny or ODog bring.
Do you actually think this Mets team as constructed has done ANYTHING significant? It is a mediocre, 2nd place team.
Hudson w/ RISP: .287 .371 .431
Castillo: 274 .368 .332
Hudson’s been better but not dramatically.
I don’t know why you think Castillo can’t run anymore. He was 17 for 19 in stolen bases last season and is one of the few Mets capable of bunting for a hit. He lost about 20 lbs from last year.
And while he is always banged up, Hudson has not exactly been a model of durability either (he’s only played 140 games once) and at age 31 that isn’t going to get any better unless he takes the McNamee diet.
And if by 2 RISP you mean 2 outs w/RISP they are similar for their careers, as well.
As far as what this team has done as constructed, it is the only team in MLB that has played for a playoff spot up until the last game in each of the last three seasons.
The difference in the one game in each of the last two seasons is as much chance as it is Luis Castillo.
This just proves that Delgado doesn’t have any grit, grime, soap scum, dirt or anxiety.
but if there’s one thing he can do….it’s finger. roll.
Gervin had flash like Jose. But did he have BALLS like midget Eckstein?
lol…. you forgot to throw in the almighty “heart” factor.
Guys let’s quit bashing our players. If we want to bash someone let’s bash Mex17 or CaseStreet. They’re the real problems!
I’ll cut you
Delgado’s hip problem is an ongoing on. Doctor’s said someday it will need surgery if he is to continue playing. No one could tell him though when that ’someday’ would be. Could be sooner, could be later….
hopefully later means October or November, not June or July
Well, I think that diagnosis was over a year ago and when that was made, he did come back without the surgery. Hopefully, it will be the same this time.
does it really matter?
can we AT LEAST play tatis at second and sheff at first to get some more offense in there???
do we really need to see alex cora tonight in a series against the phillies?
The lineup should be:
Reyes
Murphy
Beltran
Wright
Sheffield
Church
Tatis
Santos
Not bad at all….
That’s a lot of outfielders.
Agreed. That’s not bad. Cora shouldn’t even be on this team, let alone starting against our key rival.
Does anyone recall the Sheffield at 1B experiment with the Yankees?
Think Piazza ar 1B or Hundley in LF (or think Murphy in LF for that matter).
Ouch. Hundley in LF was a complete and utter disaster.
this team based its offseason moves on players playing out of position and you are going to nit pick now?
They based their plan on one player out of position (Murphy). You are basing your plan on three.
well tatis and murphy are really infielders so not really….lol
Tough to argue. I’d feel much better having Easley in there tonight.
Cora shouldn’t be on this team? I don’t know what your position on the whole ethereal grit issue is, but Cora’s got a boatload of it, not to mention one of those WS rings that everybody seems to think adds to one’s character, regardless of one’s contribution to said.
i dont hate cora but i hate the signing at 1 mill less than orlando hudson and orlando cabrera (who also has a ring)
Hudson’s salary could reach $8m with plate appearance bonuses.
Bobby Bonilla has a World Series ring….hahaha. He’s pretty tough. He was gonna show some reporter “The Bronx”
Wanny- they based their plan on Murphy out of position and Sheffield out of position (DH to right field) and Putz out of position (closer to set up).
We have seen Tatis at second-he looked ok.
Sheffield has played probably 1000 games in the outfield.
And Putz is out of position on the pitcher’s mound? That’s not the same thing. The difference is in the capability of fielding a position.
Sheff is a shortstop. Look:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Gary_Sheffield
Point is the thinking of this team all off season was to put players in a position, mentally or position wise, that they are not used to.
Delgado has been miserable this year at first base (maybe because of the hip) and so I dont think Sheffield there for a few days would be that big of a deal.
Tatis is a good infielder. granted he wont have the range of cora or castillo but he is clutch and hit will in the FLA series.
It would be great if we had a team of 25 Tatis-like players.
Who’d pitch?
Johan :-)
I just read the headline again and it looked like it said “Castillo and Delgado Cut”
Wishful thinking on your part, I’m sure.
For tonight, I rpopose the following lineup:
Beltran CF
Murphy 2B
Reyes SS
Wright 3B
Church RF
Sheffield LF
Tatis 1B
Castro C
Could it be any worse?
as said above, i proposed the same players but with murph in left, tatis at second and sheff at first.
I like yours better but i doubt the mets will mess with murphy by putting him at second.
Yes. It could be:
today’s lineup
Reyes, ss
Cora, 2b
Murphy, lf
Beltran, cf
Wright, 3b
Church, rf
Tatis, 1b
Santos, c
Pelfrey, rhp
boggles my mind that sheffield isnt playing.
The love affair with Murphy is going to be the end of this team.
But meanwhile he’s hitting .320 with a .370 OBP and Sheffield is not.
Well, I’ve had about all the positivity I can handle for a week. I’m out. See you all again on Monday. Hopefully we get these games in and take care of business. We need to get this thing back on track.
Just DL the old old farts, and bring up whoever from AAA. You may catch lighting in a bottle for 2 weeks.
over/under on when these guys pinch hit to ruin their retroactivity en route to inevitable DL stints?
Tomorrow.
I wasn’t going to watch tonight’s game but I don’t think I’ll be able to resist the temptation. Usually when the Mets are sucking it up (like, right now) I just promise myself not to watch until they either a) win 3 or more games in a row or b) win 3 straight series (I actually said I would come back if they just won 2 straight this season).
I can always turn it off or just drink more. Probably go with the latter…….
we lose 3 strainght
And by ‘we’, you’re talking about the Phillies since you’re a Philly fan…..
Agreed. Phillies lose 3 straight.
oh now you know it isn’t so……………….
Hey guys, this isn’t about what is or isn’t going to happen in this series.
This is about my Mets watching habits and my drinking problems.
Nightlife, after serious research, I recommend Rain or Zyr vodka, Bombay Sapphire or Tanqueray gin, and Eagle Rare or Elijah Craig bourbon with Met games. One bottle per game, and you have no drinking problem.
That’s some solid research there, brock. I’ve done quite a bit myself, because god knows this team has worked me over time in the “lab” the past 3 seasons.
Yes, I know, Nightlife. If every time you don’t watch we win 3 in a row or 3 series in a row than I have to respectfully ask you not to watch all weekend – lol.
Or, you can go with door #2 and drink more. Always a good back up plan.
look MFD mets are NOT winning with what they have, get rid of the bunch while we get value, start anew. Marlins did it twice, the only difference they WON!
Bah….so says you.
truth sometines hurts!
try Hennepin! and glenlivet!
I do enjoy Hennepin. Tonight, though, I’m going to drink Sierra Nevada Torpedo with the odd shot of Bulleit bourbon thrown in here and there.
Two words to solve the Mets problems: Val Pascucci.
better=Omar quits!
stick with the bourbon, throw a marischino cherry in for penash!
No matter how much i want to believe in this team, i am left with a very sour taste in my mouth. the mets had 3 inning s to go with a lead and an unstopabble pitcher going game 3 with a chance for a sweep. they were playing a hanley-less marlins club who was down on their luck and only getting worse. and what happens..this team blows the game and the next game as well. They come so close to the playoffs the past two seasons, and then blow two very winnable games against a team that might very well be the one standing in our way come October. Delgado and castillo are still hurt, the phillies are averaging 190 runs per game right now, and i look at this series and I see imminent danger. They’ll be lucky to get out of this one with 1 win, frankly. I hope Im wrong, but this looks like they’re walking itno an ambush here. Not to mention the thoughts of a winless pitcher wih an era over 8 is a thought that scares the bejesus out of me as a mes fan.
they need a fire sale……………….
As frustrating and excruciating a season so far we have to remember this is a talented ball club in need of consistent solid pitching performances, we know Johan is money, we need Pelph and Maine to step it up, rest assured if this happens we’ll be ok.
but the fire is missing and without that we are doomed!
What we need after it’s all said and done from this moment on is to take one game at a time, execute the fundamentals, and have big Pelph fire off heavy bowlling balls, oh yea it wouldn’t hurt to drill either Victorino or Rollins and make them eat dirt.
LETS GO METS !
like valentine would
How about making Castillo and Delgado out permanent? Take Sheffield and Perez with them.
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