Francisco Rodriguez used 13 pitches against three batters to record his eighth save of the season last night against the Phillies.
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, courtesy of ESPN.com, last night was the second time this season Rodriguez saved a 1-0 victory for Santana.
Rodriguez has pitched three days in a row.
He has appeared in four of the team’s five games this month.
“Some people get tired, some people don’t like to go three or four days in a row. I can go five days in a row, no problem. The more I throw, the better I feel.”
…the more you throw, the better i feel, too…
Jerry Manuel explained to reporters following the game that he was sure to check in with Rodriguez during batting practice, and just before the game started to be sure he was feeling good.
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frankie is fine……6/6 im lovin it lol
8 for 8!!
Let’s get the heart and grit together there Dirty!!
I agree Brock. If Dirty had wanted it more, if he was typing with passion he would have gotten it right.
i didnt have an edge lol ;p
hmm 8/8?
no coffee yet lol cut me some slack lol
I hope you take your coffee like Victorino does—-no water, right out of the can, and whole bean, as it is more crunchy and makes your teeth dirtier…..
ill take my coffee with some edge brock lol and some grit on the side ;p
K-Rod + Santana=Points for me on my fantasy baseball team! :-)
And that’s what we’re all pulling for.
Nice
me too man. : )
I know he can make things interesting out there at times, but I feel light years more confident with him out thee than I did with Wagner. This is not to say that he won’t have some bad outings, but as a fan I just ahve confidence in him.
He just seems to be a lot more craftier than Wagner. Wagner had a very good fastball, but if he had no control or if he was getting hit, there wasn’t much he could do except for keep throwing the heat. Frankie has the curveball and that sick changeup in addition to the fastball. So if something isn’t working, he can mix it up very well and throw other pitches and keep the hitters off balance and guessing. There was no guessing with Wagner. It was sit dead red and try to hit it hard.
he throws his changeup as a legitimate strike…nuff said
guys like johan up there with that change and he uses his curve for a strike
frankie can throw a chang/curve/fb for a strike in ANY count…thats EXTREMELY fustrating for a hitter because you cannot sit on anything.
That’s why all the talk about his velocity dip is overblown. He doesn’t need to throw 96 with those other pitches. 92-93 is more than enough.
when your locating like chan was and working both sides of the plate…like you said you dont need 97 mph to win. Thats called Pitching. Something that people do not want to give credit to chan for doing last night but rather blame the offense as being ineffective.
Yeah, Chan Ho was very good last night. Painting both sides of the plate. Totally different stuff from his previous start at CBP.
Would be nice to have Wagner back in August. Even if he’s throwing 88mph with a flat slider :-)
‘the more you throw, the better i feel, too…’
My sentiments exactly. This is not our ’08 BP. I no longer have that feeling of ‘which reliever is giving up the lead tonight?’…
I’m still reserving judgment on some of them. I always have to have at least one or two guys in the pen who I develop a dislike for. Keeps me sharp.
As far as K-rod though I agree totally.
Well, you should have a strong dislike for Sean Green by now.
Top of the list – he can still save himself though. I don’t write anything in stone until the All Star break.
and I dont understand how some mets fans wanted brian fuentes over this guy in the offseason… k-rod pitches with “edge”….
Fuentes can’t hold Frankie’s jock and he is totally edgeless.
Fuentes looked good in that Friday night game at Yankee Stadium.
I ask you this. Is it really necessary for Yankee Fans with “systems” in their car to drive down 3rd Avenue while I’m walking my dog, and blast Sterling screaming “…Cano rounds third he will score. Yankees win….the-e-e-e-e-e-e Yankeeeeeees wiiiiiiiiin”
Ha – no, no it isn’t. How that guy (Sterling) even has a job is a mircale. He’s such a hack.
Funny how all the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity are still asleep this morning…..
I guess the Core must be having a strategy meeting to try to decide how to handle it if the Mets actually start playing well–their ultimate nightmare.
Ha – give em time they will be in today. They still have the men LOB to fall back on.
or that Chan Ho became Cy Young….
His stuff was light years better than last time. He was painting the corners very well and wasn’t leaving anything hanging over the heart of the plate like he normally does.
Would that make him a Young Ho?
Spiro Agnew posts on MetsBlog? ;-)
Yes! As surprising as it may be, he is alive and well here on Metsblog!
Funny how all the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity are still asleep this morning…..
After last night’s win this is all you have to say?
WOW! you have problems…yikes.
Brock please don’t g down this road. The team still has alot to prove. They did get shut out by Chan Ho Parking lot. Its not rocket science: wins build confidence, and thats why people are a little happier now that they have won 3 straight. Still, David Wright has been iffy, Delgado is playing through pain, and Reyes is ice cold. This team still has alot of question marks. I’m happy that johan got the “W” , i’m happy at the ery worst they will be tied with the phillies in the eason series after tonights game. I mean lets face it, this team is pretty lucky that A. the marlins cooled down, and b. Hamels has been hurt, and the phillies pitching staff has been awefull. Its nice to see that a win tonight can put us n the cusp of first place in the divisioon. Just don’t go down this whole “where are the complainers now” road, because its just stupid. If you didnt have your heart rate tripled last night, then i want whatever you’re smoking.
No, we did not get shut out by Chan Ho Parking Lot, we won. And if my words are stupid, then I don’t even have a word for the ceaseless whiners and bitchers on here.
We have won 3 straight, and by scoring late, clutch runs, and STILL people want to whine and moan….we won both games in Atlanta, and we did not win by enough….last night was good, but blah blah blah blah blah.
The Marlins and Phils are lucky Reyes has done zip, and lucky Ollie forgot how to pitch and lucky Green is playing the role of the 2009 BP, etc etc etc.
Sorry man, there are too many people on here who will bitch and whine unless we are 162-0, with an 8–0 shutout every night, and even THEN, someone will insist that Catlos Delado was not trying hard enough because he let thoughts of Willie in his head….
Grits and Kool Aid for everyone!!
i didn’t say your words were stupid, i said your argument is a stupid one. Let me guess, you’re that guy who just knew feliciano was getting out of that inning right? you just knew Tatis was scoring a run in on a dribbler right? you knew Werth was going to triple pump the throw right? Brock, that was pretty ugly win. a win yes! and is that all that really matters? hell yeah! But, yesterdays game showed that this team still has problems. I mean c’mon, the match-up was Park vs Santana and they won on delgado scoring from 1st on a dribbler. This team still has a ways to go to prove that they’re for real. Nevertheless, if they win tonight they will be a half game out and will have dodged a pretty poor start to the season.
what is that old saying
“good teams find a way to win”
i thought i heard that somewhere…..
We won a tremendously pitched game, we scored a late run when we had to, the pen saved it again, and we won.
That was a good win.
What is stupid is all of the people who want to over-critique everything…..losses of course suck, but so do wins! How can we not score 10 off Park? We scored important late runs 3 games in a row and won, but we still need to bitch and whine! Now that we are pitching well and scoring late runs, and have won 4 of 5, what can we bitch about now?!?!
dont bother brock..these poeple live in a world where the mets need to bang out 10 runs against every pitcher they face or the offense sux.
You don’t get ir Dirty. That is not what it is about.
You are ecstatic with last night’s win, that’s fine. But we are not so happy, also let us be.
i never said it was wrong to be…i disagree with why your upset but you have your right to feel w/e it is you feel. Just stating my case. As i said below ultimatly i guess we will agree to disagree.
I’m not bitching and whining, i’m saying your being a complete deuchsnozzle when you made that comment about “what will mets fans have to complain about now”, like you’re so freakin confident in this team. like you are just the king of cool. It was a very smart-ass comment, and it ticked me off. a win is a win, and thats all that matters, but don’t expect the Mets to keep winning games 1-0, johan is freakin human! he’s not going to pitch a shut out every single game. And its about time they gave him some freakin run support.
Sorry dude, but we have pitched great and scored when we needed to and won 4 of 5 from our two biggest rivals and it annoys me to read your bitching and whining!
Unleash, I take that win in a second but I agree with you.
That run only scored because of an error.
I was happy they won only because Santana deserved.
Yes, they have a little tiny 3 game winning streak and it’s good but people here get carried away and forget the big holes in this team.
And here is the perfect example of what I think Brock was talking about:
“I was happy they won only because Santana deserved.”
The implication being that if any other pitcher had been throwing, Amizin wouldn’t have been happy. Sometimes I think this guy really would prefer they lost so that he could complain or see the team blown up.
Completely and utterly true, and a big part of why he is SO annoying and obnoxious.
+23
-Brock Kingman
Maybe you are not high enough…..smoke some more….
why is it hard for people to tip their hat to a pitcher who had a good game…park had a really good game last night. Kept the hitters off balance, worked both sides of the plate. He was on his game. Why is that so hard for people to accept?
i think its because hes not suppose to be that good.
and just so happens he does exceptional when hes opposite johan…
i understand that but cmon..chan knew who he was pitching against and to add to it, knew he was pitching for a job…you dont think he didnt step it up a notch tonight. Johan knew this and tried his best to keep the phillies off the board. Chan was dealing tonight..gotta tip your hat to the guy.
stepping up a notch = no hitter thru 5?
maybe against the nationals but our guys??
dont get me wrong
im happy w/ the win but id like to see run support for johan
especially when he isnt pitching agaisnt a true ace.
i guess we will agree to disagree. Imo chan pitched a very good game..made very minimal mistakes. He deserved to have 0 ER…he was that effective tonight. You can feel free to blame it on the mets and their offense. Id rather acknowledge that park had a really good game and while it is likely he cannot sustain that level of effectivness, he pitched well last night and deserved the results he got.
+15
-Dirtysanchez
Chan Ho Park didn’t pitch on the outside of the corner and miss like he did with the first meeting. He pitched inside the first time through the order with his fastball, which was a big suprise because he usually drops his breaking pitches in frequently in this point of his career. Even Gary commented on how Chan Ho Park was throwing his fastball ahead and behind in the count, that was the difference maker. If Chan Ho Park was making mistake pitches and they were being missed then I would agree with the others on this board but Chan Ho Park through a really good game, he threw his slider in the dirt well too.
it is amazing how good one can be when fighting for your job……
if only ollie had heart like that, but then again he already got a fat contract
agreed. He was pitching for a job. Ollie just cannot stay focused long enough to be effective. Some guys are just wired differently..no way to tell until their back is against the wall. Like maine against the braves..he showed he had and extra gear. Ollie has yet to demonstrate that this year.
ollies “extra gear” is reverse
i thought his “extra gear” was catcher’s equipment.
lolll thanks for that one ;p
Unleash, you are right to the extent that it is only a 3 games and there is still much room for improvement, but here is where I disagree with what you wrote:
“I mean lets face it, this team is pretty lucky that A. the marlins cooled down, and b. Hamels has been hurt, and the phillies pitching staff has been awefull.”
Why are the Mets lucky that the Marlins cooled down, maybe they are just settling back down to what they really are. Yes, the Phils pitching has been awful, but so has the Mets.
I could reverse that and say that the rest of the league is lucky that Reyes and Wright aren’t hitting and Delgado is not 100%.
Yeah i guess you got me there, but what I meant was tha the Mets are lucky that no1 has ran away with this division. I mean they gave the Marlins 2 games that the Mets should have won. What I’m saying is that the Mets have played poorly this season, and yet with a win today they can be .5 out of frist. Thats great. but I just cannot stand people like brock that act like they’re never worried about this team.
Well I can’t speak fro Brock personally, but one of the things that annoys me at times is that while I realize that there are issues with this team I also choose to be positive about it.
No one should be so blinded not to realize that we haven’t been getting those clutch hits and the SP hasn’t been great, and that we have some holes. However, from a personal standpoint I choose to have a more positive outlook on it rather than constantly being pessimistic.
So, it’s not just totally ignoring what’s wrong, but rather identifying it and trying to have a positive attitude that it can be corrected. That’s just my two cents.
Thats fine, just don’t act like I hte the mets and you’re the greatest fan in the world because I’m not as optimistic as you are (THAT IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU, I AM JUST SAYING THE WORD “YOU” AS A GENREALITY) that you’re a better fan than me. Have you forgotten the past two seasons?
That’s cool by me. Look everyone has a different outlook on things. In real life I tend to be more of a pessimistic person, but when you root for the Mets, Jets, and Knicks you have to be an optimist IMO or why would I keep coming back.
I’m a fan of the exact same teams as you. and after watching them come up shot year after year, its hard to be pescemistic. Beleive me, i say every year “this is the year.” and beleive me, I have very high expectations for the Jets right now, but you can only take so much heartreak before the positivity runs low.
Unleash, for stating what you have said I have been labeled a philly fan/yankee fan and not a true met fan,
it’s a joke. I love this team but cannot live in denial.
Wait until the last game of the season to talk about the last two seasons. The Mets have always competed offensively, you could even say the last 3 seasons.
BOTTOM LINE:
Every game is not the last game of the season, that’s what you don’t understand it’s May and you sound very heartbroken when you allude to the past two seasons. Obviously, the Pen was an issue in 2007 and 2008, please look at statistics. 2007, the Mets beat almost everyone twice the whole season and then at the end become flaccid. In 2008, the offense put up great numbers minus David’s RISP but the pen was horrid after Wagner went down.
2009 – Whole new bullpen, you have a bookend duo that shows the “grit and heart” most of you chirp about. The offense will click at some point and I can’t wait to see Jose being Jose, actually the past couple of games have been entertaining.
Noone is saying that they are a better fan then anyone, but seriously some of you dudes need to BREATHE easy like Wrights at bat music for the past 3 seasons. This team will blow and once they do, noone will want to play them.
I am worried about this team and have said it all the time. I am worried about the rotation, I am worried about catcher, I am worried about JJ’s inconsistent velocity, and frankly I am starting to think the folks who criticize Church are right, and he is exactly what he is going to be right now, a very streaky guy who is a good fielder but will never really be that good for 150 games.
I cannot stand whining unrealistic kids who think we need to win every night 10–0. Don’t the gritty teams with heart win games like last night 1–0 when they are faced with a great outing by the opposing pitcher? Isn’t scratching one run out any way you can a GOOD sign of a team that can win 1–0 when necessary?
4 of 5 wins, excellent pitching all around, timely scoring, and one still must excavate and scour and spelunk for things to bitch about.
you act like everyone on this site was crying. Noone said anything, and you had to make that stupid remark. You had to call people out for no reason.
If I have to read sky-is-falling horsesh*t after every loss—and even DURING some wins!!—I can post the other side of the issue when things are going well.
NOBODY said anything until you did kingman.
And then you expect no responses.
I certainly never said I expected no responses, and I congratulate you on your continuing streak of being wrong about EVERYTHING.
But it sure is nice to see the Tiny Core down to about two members after we win 4 of 5.
“this team is pretty lucky that A. the marlins cooled down, and b. Hamels has been hurt, and the phillies pitching staff has been awefull”
I like that. Like the Marlins were going to continue at 0.917 winning percentage. Like Hamels has never been hurt. Like anyone expected the philthies rotation to be good.
Anybody else completely confused with Jerry’s in-game decisions?
- he starts reed ‘to get him ABs’ yet he pinch hits for him in the 7th for a guy that probably should have started for him yesterday. putting tatis up there was the right move, starting reed to get him ABs and then only getting 2 ABs make no sense
- then he pinch hits sheff for santos (the guy he used last week when he was eating brithday cake in the bullpen by the way) with 1B open and the pitcher on deck (who happens to be working on a gem). there was no way sheff (or whoever batted in that spot) was going to see a strike so now we wasted a pinch hitter which brings me to my next curious decision.
-he pinch hits for santana (who I would have brought out to start the 8th) for a guy who is 1 for his last 15 in church. we all know how that ended.
so in the inning:
— we burned 3 pinch hitters (4 players because castro came in to catch) AND took out the best pitcher on the planer who was locked in and was only at 101 pitches
the Mets won so it ‘worked’ but that doesn’t make it right. Jerry just kind of makes it up as he goes along with no consistency in his decision making.
now lets beat the sh!t out of the salad tossing old man and here’s hoping BIG PELF continues our string of good starting pitching
if the mets didnt pinch hit johan in that spot
and they lost
everybody wouldve looked back at that moment and questioned jerry for not pinch hitting.
rewind to the start of the 8th inning, who would you rather have out there — feliciano or santana?
Yeah, I actually agreed with the move. If church gets a hit there the game is pretty much over with. Plus I think if johan gave up a hit in the inning he might have been done for. It really was a lose-lose decision for Manuel. You know church wasn’t getting a hit there, but still you have to play like he had a shot at one. If Santana k’s then comes into the 8th and gives up a signle and a home run people are going to say “he already threw 100 pitches!”..maybe next time Church can actually get the freakin hit.
the point was to not PH sheff for santos since you know they were walking him to force his hand with santana. so you leave santos in the game then bring up sheff, not church for santana if you’re going to PH
Yeah I wasn’t too pleased to see Santana exit just to see Church strike out. I understand he’s playing the odds and getting one more run seemed like it would make a big difference last night but then again they weren’t at CBP where a pop up could suddenly end up in souvenir territory.
It was just as curious a decision when Charlie took out Park (who had done the best of getting on base out of the Phils lineup) for a guy batting .150
And as people pointed out last night, why did Jerry decide to fuss with a lineup that had won the night before? Is he trying to make an example out of Castillo (unless his back is still bothering him)? In my eyes Castillo is well on the road back to respectability.
Plus I like Cora off the bench. Not that he’s a horrible 2B, but he’s shown a penchant for getting some hits in the PH role and I would have felt more comfortable lifting Santana for Cora instead of Church in the bottom of the 7th.
BigPelf-agree 100% and some seem so basic-not the right time to give Reed a start-Sheff or whoever wasn’t going to see anything to hit and….forget about Lefty/Righty…if you are going to hit for Johan..why isn’t Sheff the guy? Jerry sits guys when he shouldn’t…and some of his decisions seem bizarre.
I have to agree.
I love the win. Any win is a good win.
I love the way Johan fought and battled. The win was all Johan. If Johan had let in a single run, then Phillies do not make that error and the Mets lose.
The bats are a concern. Sure, Park could have pitched the game of his life, but more likely the Mets got even colder than they have been over the past couple of days.
Nobody is hitting other than Beltran (and his streak ended last night). Granted Reyes had some solid line outs which gives me hope for him, but Wright, despite his last few games, still seems lost. His stance is call contorted compared to a couple of years ago when he had the sweetest swing on earth.
I know that Murph gives a lot of Kudos to HoJo. But frankly, I am starting to feel that the whole coaching staff needs revamping- HoJo, Warthen and even Jerry. Some times you just need new faces.
That Beltran/Durbin matchup was amazing. He looked worse then than you know when…
I’m cautiously optimistic about the Metsies at this point. But a 3 game run is nothing to scoff at, regardless of the run support, lack of defense on the other side, etc.
Let the negative people be negative and don’t let them get to us positive people. And the negative people should probably grow some thicker skin, they seem to me to be the most defensive of the bunch…maybe because they realize that they should start being a bit more positive…
Does anyone want to buy my tickets for tonight’s game? Half price for Metropolitan Section
how much is that?
I bought them for $150 each. I’ll sell them for $75
I would do it, but the Ms. would be extremely unhappy about the puddle and pile waiting for her when she got home. No can do, but thanks for the offer.
is this a red, blue, orange, white, green, yellow, gold, silver, platinum, bronze, sapphire, topaz, ruby, emerald, quartz, tulip, carnation, or rose priced game?
By the way … speaking of KUDOS.
I think this site did a poor job with the Kudos for Feliciano!
With Putz unavailable, Feliciano came in and did a great job against the meat of the order!
Sure KROD came in for the save in the ninth, but quite often its the prior inning that is more important. And that was the case last night. Feliciano got through the meat of the order … no easy feat.
KROD gets the glory of the save, but Feliciano’s hold was probably even more important in that game given who he was facing.
True. Getting Ryan Howard to strike out as the go ahead run at the plate was huge.
I was scared when I saw him in the Bullpen. I was expecting Parnell to pitch in the 8th. Anyways, yes, kudos to Feliciano for getting Utley and Howard out.
Man what grit the Mets have showed over these last few games. meanwhile corss town the Yanks have lost 4 in a row and can not get the big hit late or get a pitcher to come up big for them late. They must have no heart, no grit, no edge lol. Wonder what the fat man thinks of that lol.
First of all, who cares about the Yankees?
Second- if the fat man is francesa-he has been KILLING the yankeed for being gutless.
Why don’t you calm down there buddy. I was being sarcastic about the fact that when the Mets don’t when everyone runs there mouths about how this team has no heart but when other teams struggle it is oh they will get hot soon and its all these excuses for them but with the Mets its are team has no heart.
I don’t care about the Yanks at all.
To be fair, although I don’t know how what my “fairness” tolerance is for the pinstripe bozos, Tex did have a big hit in the bottom of the 8th. They are dealing with a slew of injuries but I’m not exactly shedding a crocodile tear for them. $200MM doesn’t buy you a whole lot of bench or organizational depth these days does it?
There an old team. They are going to be dealing with those injurys all year.
“well Tex’s pop out with a man on 3rd was the greatest pop out in the history of mankind. It shpuld have beena homerun but the rain and wind held it back.”
Oh but he showed fire and passion slamming the helmet down.
Welcome to the bright lights and big city Tex, it’s a little different than playing in those tumbleweed stadiums in Texas and Atlanta isn’t it?
I suppose he got some pressure experience in Los Angeles of Anaheim but the ghost of Donnie Moore decided to make that a relatively short experience.
Man, are the Yankees (Cashman) idiots for passing up on Santana or what? They’re stuck with CC for 7 years. I’m sure he’ll do better, but he’s no Johan.
I have been saying this since opening day….ENOUGH with Church. Too many of my fellow Mets fans overrate this guy. He wasnt even a starter for the Nats. I dont care that he was good for half a season last year. Tatis and Sheffield are both better and much bigger presences in the lineup.
Use him like the Nats did, a fourth outfielder.
have you seen sheffield this year…just wanting to make sure..
What’s wrong with Sheff? The guy takes a ton of walks. I’ll take it. Doesn’t seem to have lost any bat speed. He just needs to find it again, but at least he doesn’t force the issue and go out of the zone. He can play on my team any day….as long as the attitude stays the way it has been. I like him.
At this point, Tatis/Sheffield would not be any different from Church if they start every day. Church’s defense is far superior than Tatis/Sheffield.
church was fine until jerry started messing with the lineups and had church sitting every couple of days
Sheffield is better? Right now, his batting average is below 200, only has a handful of hits and his defense is not better than Church’s out in RF.
Manuel Sucks!! First off great win so happy we got Johan a win!! Not my rant…Tatis not starting when he hits extremely well against Park. Then not pinch running for Delgado who supposedly has a bad hip but bad hip or not YOU MUST pinch run for him. What if D Wright hits the ball in the gap and Delgado doesnt score?? What if Delgado got thrown out at home because its not like it wasnt a fairly close play!! I mean yes it didnt come into play but had it did, which was a strong possibility, we LOSE the game!! Horrible Manuel just horrible!!
while i agree manuel is an idiot…cant blame him for not subbing out delgado. There was no reason to unless he knew that feliz play was coming. Now starting reed over tatis against park i absolutly agree with. I understand reed needs a start but when you have a player that has alot of success against a particular pitcher which tatis has against park..you gotta play him. Let reed start tomorrow for muprh or church who is ice cold..but if tatis is better against park than reed…why play reed. Reed has not gotten a start since the season began and NOW is when you start him against park? I dont understand that.
What do you mean? Am I missing something please explain. Go ahead run on first, late in the game, a guy with a bad hip, Citi field and D Wright up where a hit in the gap is more than likely. I mean even if Delgado gets to second….a base hit up the middle may not score him! In a game where 1 run looks like it will make the difference I see it as a no brainer. Even the SNY crew thought he would be pinch ran for. Not saying there word is God but I think a horrible move. So your telling me if there were 2 outs in that inning Delgado on second and he gets thrown out at home on a single up the middle…..You are fine with him not getting pinch ran for?
Manuel should have pinch ran for Delgado (even with the results we got).
I mean is it not a No Brainer!! I’m willing to hear the argument on why you wouldnt? Because it may go extra innings and you want Delgado’s bat in the lineup? Yes maybe….but you have a chance to win the game right in front of you with Wright up!! I know its not for his defense in the 9th lol
a struggling wright…no guarentee he would even get a hit to bring home the run..and he didnt.
I know its not for his defense in the 9th lol
HAAA
who did you want to pinch run for him castillo(bad knees)…castro(lets face it castro)…
you got a potential extra innnigs game on your hands and david has some power…if he hits a gapper theres not too much stress on gado to go to third. In that senario you got runners on 3rd and 2nd with 0 out since gado started that inning….im fine with it as nobody knew what was going to happen.
Yes Castillo. If he has bad knees and cant pinch run i want him off the team now!!!! Hes supposedly healthy. And if his knees become a big issue again I will throw up. You cant predict what will happen of course not…. but you can play the odds and you can,if you believe in your team, assume Delgado will need to run that inning whether it be to second, third, or home. If you assume that I want anyone who is a tad bit faster to increase my odds of not getting thrown out at any base..Unless you think he wont move from 1st speed can create issues, pressure on D, etc.
Lets pray for K Rod to pull a Lidge and blow no saves this year
Dirty- I have seen Sheff and I like what i see.
He is batting 170 something but his OBP is over .350.
He also has about 5 or 6 absolute shots that have been caught. If half of those were hits he would be batting over .250 with an over .400 OBP.
He is a presence in the lineup
His 500th homer was a big clutch homer. Church has the lowest average in NY (Including the yanks) with men in scoring position. Sheff is a presence and pitchers still fear him. He also balances out the lefty-righty lineup. Church his a below average player.
Church is NOT a below average player. He’s a very good defensive outfielder with a pop in his bat. I highly doubt that Sheff’s offensive number is all that better than Church’s if they both played the full season.
i dont agree with below average but church is much better defensivly and that is important too…how many runs has church saved us with his defense out there. I agree sheff works out more walks and stuff but i think it goes back to manuel. When church was hot, he would get benched. When church is cold like he is, outside fo yesterday he gets the nod to start. I wonder how much manuels benching when church had a hot bat has to do with this.
First off, if shef got some consecutive starts, and got in a groove, he is an offenseive force that still commands respect from pitchers. Second, even if he;s not the same player, pitchers will always read “Sheffeild” on the back of his jersey, and therefore will always pitch to him like the hr hitting machine he once was.
I agree that Church is better than Sheff defensively but Met fans treat him like a gold glover. HES NOT. He dropped that ball on opening day and has made a few crummy plays other than that (like on Tues in Atlanta when he let that ball get by him). Still, I agree he is an above average defensive right fielder.
Still, where is his good offensive season? All i see is a .270 hitter every year with homerun totals in the teens.
Has Jerry hurt his production by benching him? maybe, but i think the same can be said for Sheff who has had games where all he did was hit rockets (granted some were right at people) only to ride the pine for a week after that,
Check out Church’s doubles potential. Look at his only full season in 2007 and see how many extrabase hits he had in that week National lineup.
still, he batted .270 something with 70 something rbi.
That is not above average for a right fielder.
this guys has never had an above average season. At best he is average. All im saying, and thereal, i think you agree, is give sheff a shot.
Church is what he is….average. Sheff could be much better (see Sheffs 2007 stats)
IDK where your getting your stats either bernie
Ryan church
82ab/1hr/11k/.268avg/.351obp/.378slg
Gary Sheffield
35ab/1hr/8k/.171avg/.356obp/.371slg
ummmm wheres your point bernie?
church has more tahn double the amount of ab than shef and is still puttin up compariable numbers….
How do those #s differ from what I said? He gets on base MORE than Church and has hit in bad luck AND has gotten more big hits than Church. Church has been a NIGHTMARE with men in scoring position (like i said, last in NY).
Give sheff a shot. He is a presence. How can you argue he isnt? His OBP is 200 points higher than his average for a reason.
200 pts higher than his own avg but just 5 pts above church…church has a better avg AND better slugging in MORE at bats…
Dirty you know I like Church, but we are not giving Sheffield enough credit. He has been hitting the ball hard, played decent defense and driven in a few runs. How the hell a guy can have that high of an OBP and OPS batting that low is amazing. That either tells me that he has a good eye or that pitchers still respect him.
or both
im not saying sheff sux or anythign but lets not start saying just because church is cold right now that he is below avg and somehow gary is running laps around him in performance…your a stat guy too real…look at em. Church has done very well for us. I agree shff works walks and gets respected..but church below avg ..hell no…and gary is somehow better…not standing by that at all.
Yet look at Church’s stats with 2 outs and especially RISP2/O.
Dirty answer me one question and if your answer is Ryan Church I will respectfully agree to disagree with you.
This team struggles NOT with getting men on base but with men on base (Church is at the forefront if these struggles).
With 2 outs and men in scoring position, who do you have more faith in Sheff or Church?
Ok, 2 questions…..Who do you think an opposing pitcher would rather face?
To me Sheff is the answer to both of these questions.
obviously i meant an opposing pitcher would rather face Church.
lets look at em
RISP w 2 outs
Gary
5ab/.000avg/.375obp/.000slg/.375ops/3bb/0rbi
Ryan
11ab/.273abg/.385obp/.364slg/.745ops/2bb/5rbi/
so i guess your answer is ryan church??
I am not going to base my answer on stats of 5 abs.
I am going to base it on what i see. Sheffield in a big spot is much more of a factor than Church.
Sheff tied the game in the 8th inning with his 500th homer. There is no stat for that. It was still more of a clutch hit than Church has got all season.
tahts fine..perception is reality for you. Stats tell another story and thats my point. Gary does have a presence and he still gets respect but lets not say that church is a push over either…
well, church does have a putrid average in RISP. In 23 ABs hes batting .130. That is awful
8 rbi in 83 abs is not good.
Hes not a terrible player…hes ok. Sheff could be better than ok (see 2007)
When you know one run will most likely win the game with a guy who hits the ball in the gap I mean Cmon!!
K-Rod has a violent motion and is vastly overrated. His arm is going to fall off.
It may fall off, but hopefully it’ll be after a fist pump…and 3 yrs :-)
It’s funny, watching him pitch, his motion is not a violent arm motion. It’s just a violent body motion, kind of like Tim Lincecum’s. KRod doesn’t appear to be putting all that much more stress on his arm than any other pitcher. His body is generating the power, and his arm is just along for the ride. That would explain why he really hasn’t had any injuries so far (knock on wood).
Let me ask all the Church haters (that does not sound right), what do you think Sheff’s realistic #s are IF he started everyday full season? How much do you think it would be different from Church’s numbers, if he started everyday full season?
I see Church as 18-22 HR with 70-80 RBIs batting .280. I don’t see Sheff getting THAT MUCH better #s. I see Sheff getting maybe 25 HRs with 80-90 RBIs. I’d rather take Church’s numbers with his defense at this point.
How do you see Church hitting 20 hr’s? He has 1 right now. Theres a difference between what you expect and what you want.
How many does Sheff have now? What’s his batting average?
He gets on base all the time! i’m not saying shef is savior, but i want to give him shot. And if your prediction is true about 25 hr’s and 80-90 rbi (which if you actually expect that clearly you have no clue what you’re talking about) that would make him the offensive prescene this line-up has been missing to back up the big boppers, and force pitchers to throw them good pitches.
The fact that you don’t expect Sheff to bat 25 HRs 80-90 RBIs makes my point.
Church hit 12 HRs with 49 RBIs 319 ABs last year with all the crap that happened to him. In 2007, he hit 15 HRs 70 RBIs with 470 ABs.
Translate those numbers to 550 ABs, he’ll no doubt get 18-22 HRs with 80 RBIs.
Sheff does not get on base more. His OBP is pretty much the same as Church’s. Church’s career OBP is .348. That is not bad AT ALL.
To be quite honest, I don’t know if anyone is a 20HR hitter on this team . I’m telling you, it’s Death Valley in that outfield.
Seriously, you see guys hit the crap out o the ball and look like out of the parkers, and they barely get into the second row. Theres a pitcher park, and theres citi field.
Wright doesnt have that many either. A small hot streak and Church could have 5-6 HR’s a quarter through the year which puts him on pace for those 20 HR’s. You cant go by his 1 HR now.
I agree and if you were told by a physic or God one of these players will actually have a horrible year and not even hit 10 HR’s Who would you guess? Of course Sheffield. I go with the guy I’m pretty sure will post those 18-22 Hr’s with 70-80 RBIs and play excellent OF.
But Sheffield has a menacing presence. Church does not. At the very least, pitchers fear him and his presence would force opposing managers to make moves they wouldn’t ordinarily make.
Good lord they are both valuable to the team and we do not have to chose one over the other. Sheff can get plenty of time in LF and RF on days that LH pitch.
Sheff does not have menacing presence. Opposing pitchers/managers are not stupid. They will see his numbers and age. Don’t get me wrong. He definitely has more pop in the bat than Church, but with Church’s defense, I’ll take him as the everyday starter than Sheff.
Neither of them right now have proved they deserve to start. All I am saying…all i am saying, is just give sheff a chance. Give him 5 games in a row. And if he stinks, go back to church. With Shef you have potential for a nice offensive prescence. Just give hima shot. He by no means has earned a starting ro.e and yes, church was great till Manuel benched him. But guess what, thats the past, and you now have to get over that retarted Manuel mistake. Just try sheff and see if it helps. If Church heats up, by all means play him. but his bat is sucky right now, so just try Shef. Thats the luxury of having all of these guys.
No need to give him 5 games in a row either. Sheff is a backup player at this point and should be in a rotation. He can play in LF for Murphy and in RF for Church 3/4 games a week. That’s plenty.
Then please explain why his OBP is .350+ yet his BA is in the .170′s?
Getting back to the Park performance. I said this on the previous post.
What we saw last night was a veteran pitcher who had his back to the wall knowing that this very well could have been his LAST start in the majors. He came out and pitched well. Nothing more to it.
Totally agreed.
dont make that argument here….it was all on the offense last night..they sucked. We should have banged out 10 runs against him.
well, at least 1…
you guys are just flat out annoying. They scored 7 runs off of him 5 days ago. How much better could he have got. fine he was pitching for more, but you cannot get shut out by chan ho park. thats simply pathetic. call ti “whining”, but thats a realistic argument.
Compeletly disagree. How can all of you guys who think clutch is the only thing NOT believe that a pitcher on the brink of basic extermination can’t recover for 1 night what used to make him a good pitcher? Take a look at the movement on his pitches last night and the previous night and then tell me he was the same pitcher.
Chan Ho pitched six innings. This is NOT a shutout, and had he stayed in, it is possible we would have scored 10 off of him.
Chan Ho is a pitcher who is clearly aging and past his prime, but has had a lot of success. Try to understand that a guy like this, on certain nights in a clear pitcher’s park, is going to be capable on occasion of throwing 6 good innings.
The annoying thing is to read fans like you who think we should just bomb every pitcher not named Lincecum or Oswalt.
Brock, theres a fine line between optimism and just flat out mental retardation and you my friend have crossed that line. I’m not saying the mets need to score 40 runs, but how about 3, how about 2, how about even 1. When you look at the match-up and see santana vs. park, you have to realize that all santana needs is a couple of runs and the win is a lock. That is a match-up that shouldn’t be a close game. Theres a reason Park has been on eighty teams and is pitching for his job in early May with an ERA over 7..can you guess why? he’s nto a good pitcher anymore. He’s not the same pitcher he was in 1996. 1996, thats a very very long time ago. You can’t let a 90 year old dinosaur dominate you like that, especially after you made him look foolish 5 nights ago. If you’re going to tight rope a santana Park match-up thats pretty bad.
Step back and look at it please. Look at the movement on his pitches yesterday and look at the movement the previous time. Seriously. The guy could not locate his breaking pitches PERIOD the first time. We were able to sit on the FB and hit it hard. Last night was not the case we sit on the FB and his breaking pitches were outstanding.
LOL! OK, I will try to respond despite my retardation…..
Yeah, I agree that of course bombing Chan Ho would have been great. Sure.
But still, while the guy may be washed up, I still think it is not that unacceptable for him to pitch 6 good innings, in a pitcher’s park, when his career is very possibly riding on the outcome….
Let’s agree to disagree, OK, as to me, after weeks of us all waiting for solid starting pitching and some timely runs, that is exactly what we have gotten recently, and have won 4 of 5. I think that is cause for optimism. Especially as these wins have been vs Philly and IN ATLANTA!
I will try to respond despite my retardation…..
still retarded.
It was not the same pitcher as last week. If you actually watched the quality of his pitches, you would have seen the difference. He left nothing hanging over the plate last night. Everything was on the corners and he worked both sides of the plate. Wright hit into that DP because he swung at a strike on the inside corner and was jammed. Pitchers’ pitch. Good pitching.
Real, he pitched well but I don’t say that zero run support for Johan is ok when this guy is nothing but stelar at the plate.
*but don’t say
Nothing but stelar at the plate? Who?
I am assuming you mean that Johan is stelar pitching?
Anyway, yes I thought we should have at least scored against Park but I think the batters were amazed by the difference in his pitching last night and did not make adjustments. You could tell they had a game plan based on what Chan ho had been doing and it did not work. The game plan was to sit on the fast ball because he can’t locate his breaking pitches. Well guess what, he could locate his breaking pitches VERY well.
Thats what worries me about Moyer tonight. I think they are going to have trouble again. They don’t seem to make adjustments very well, and I think Moyer is going to change things up a lot from last time.
well he didnt have it the last time they faced him…what will happen though is he will look that much more amazing because he is pitching in citi field now and not cbp. The mets have to learn to sit on his offspeed and drive it for line drives. Dont worry about taking it out of the park as the movment on moyers pitches really dont allow for a good lift when the bat hits the ball. Gotta go for the linedrives and agressivness on the basepaths. Im worried too that will be better this time around.
haaa, i meant at the mound…
Actually, you may have a point real. Maybe.
agreed… just like the philles had their gameplan vs santana that didnt work and they could not adjust. Baseball is a game of cat and mouse. I dont understand why chan doesnt get credit for last nights performance. Yes he is usually awful but last night he pitched very well…it happens.
It is OK when we win the game.
Which is what TRS and I and the overwhelming majority here understand is the object of the game…to win. Not to whine.
Kool Aid and Grits for everyone!!
and the overwhelming majority
take it easy…
You have to admit Amazin there are fewer of you guys everyday. Especially with us playing better. You are on the endangered species list.
Yeah lets jus split up the fan base, thats genious. I can easily say the same garbage abotu where were you when tis team sucked balls. Timely hits? Where was yesterdays timely hit..o you mean timely throw away right? timely triple clutched trhow that still almost got delgado right? Please, get real! You act like I want the Mets to lose.
I did not divide the fanbase. That started a long time ago with “the core” calling anyone with hope sunshiners and koolaid drinkers. Second point, I have been here for 4 years when we win and when we lose. 3rd point, I did not realize YOU were part of the core and don’t remember saying that you were.
I have been here for 4 years ….
z z z here we go again…
Mr whatever, IF you don’t care what I have to say (which considering you respond to 99% of my post) then why are you sleeping your way through it? Just put the book down or return it to the library and do something more productive like finding Alex’s ass again.
i think they are all here, there just waiting for a loss to justify their feeling of the mets. The perception is they are whittling down but remember we have won 3 straight..no reason for them to come here and complain.
Dirty, you have NO IDEA.
real, it’s going to fluctuate all year….lol
It is common sense. Wins = no issues (at least very few) We all want the problems to go away and when that happens the criticicism will also diminish.
Once we are winning you will see less and less “negative” posts.
You think I want the mets to lose and that is not true.
Duh, but what I don’t get is that some of us stay consistant all year. We realize that the Mets are A) A good team B) A team with a lot of potential issues C) That no team in the division will run away with it.
Why go from gritt to clutch to nonclutch to soft to strong to here whinning to not here and back again?
ALL YEAR???? you mean since the 2007 collapse? since the 2008 collapse? up until 5/7/09? let me see, hmmm what is the common denominator here? oh yeah, they have not played good baseball.
I’ll post happy comments when they give me a reason to.
Then why constantly drag us down with the negative ones. And I did NOT say we have played well. I said we ARE a good team. You are intelligent to know the difference.
You are right for once Little Bill, I should have said “All but about 8 or 10 hardCORE people…..”
I’ll give you a credit for sticking around. It seems like Alex has given up these days…
Is UnLeash Alex?
downNdirty , you clearly are an idiot. I mean you actually said you expected 25 hr’s and 80-90 rbi from Gary sheffield this season. clearly you have no clue what you’re talking about. I mean that is just a completely absurd statement.
I said that IF Sheff started all 162 games assuming he is healthy. He can put up those numbers.
What do you think he can put up then?
He’s playing in a rediculous pitchers park, and is old as balls. Honestly I expect if he layed 162 games which would never happen, he;d hit 15 hr’s bat 250 and drive in 70 runs at the best. Thats probably even stretching it. I hope he would do better, but the guy is almost done. And lets face it, if the guy had hit 1 more hr last season, I dobut he;d still be playing.
If that’s the case with Sheff, why even give him a chance over Church? Do you agree that Church is a much better defensive outfielder than Sheff? Have you seen RF at Citifield? Defense is a crucial part of the game ESPECIALLY in Citifield.
I’m not making Church out to be Gold Glover, but he’s WAY better than Sheff in that category. And if you predict Sheff to have 15 HRs .250 70 RBIs, he’s no different than Church.
There is no reason to think that IF you were to give Sheff protection and as many AB’s as last year that he could not approach last years numbers. That however does not matter as hopefully he never gets that many AB’s here. He will be in a rotation all year and will be valuable to the team as a role player.
Kistina, you actually have been better lately… cursing at the team and everything….. wow, you even got banned. Too bad you are blind again to see the mets’ issues right now.
you see, Mets are winning again.. LOL… I’m optimistic that this team will do well.
100% in the darkness. You can’t take 3 games and forget everything else einstein.
What about the other 10 they won? You and Unleash are the worst. I almost don’t want to read anymore but it’s fun to see you guys trying to defend your indefensible and highly pessimistic statements. Matt needs to start a sister blog for everyone who can’t help but be negative at all times.
Actually I do think he needs to start a pay site. No way that people pay to change their screen names 15 times and whine.
I wish Ollie would learn from Chan Ho
I think Ollie should start by taking some notes on Elmer Dessens’ next start while rehabbing in AAA.
Brock,
Never forget-
Optimist- Glass half full
Pessimist- Glass half empty
Mets Fan- We have a glass? Trade it for Manny!
HAHA!!!
Thanks for this one…..
Now that’s funny.
Saying that the Mets offense was asleep last night against a terrible pitcher is not complaining or whining. It’s true. Luckily the Phils were sloppy in the field.
Mr. Santana did his job. As usual. Hopefully, there are enough days off built in to the playoff series that he gets multiple starts.
Yeah, it may be true, but it is also complaining and whining….shouldn’t we all be happy that even though Chan Ho pitched out of his mind, we still scored a gritty, hustling run, the pen held on, and we won 1–0? Seriously……
Shhh
And that with all their grit and heart their defense’s edge was Werthless. ;-)
Oops, that was supposed to be a reply to Dirty’s comment below.
we still scored a gritty, hustling run..
LOL, thanks to an ERROR!
Everyone is happy after a win. The ballpark had a great buzz last night. Nobody was complaining. They were into every pitch including me.
Scoring on an error isn’t grit.
Team has looked a lot better the last five games. Let’s hope that they stay focused for Pittsburgh too.
But hustling your ass off when your ass is broken to score on that error IS gritt.
Some folks would indeed classify last night’s run as gritty….seriously….they needed one run to win, they hustled, and got it.
This team also hit horribly agains Kawakami who sucks nuts the night before. did you forget that? This team ahs a habit of making crap pitchers look good.
kawakami threw very good pitches when he had to (2 outs 2 strikes). Cant do anything with those nasty pitches…only can tip your hat. Besides we all know the mets struggle against pitchers they have never seen before…you should be gald that we managed to scratch out 2 runs against him and 5 vs javier..but im sure your not so im not going to bother.
The one complaint I have with Santana is that I usually get up for concessions when the opposing team bats. When Santana pitches, I starve.
Unleash, You must be real fun at parties.
Yeah, thanks.
Stick to the decaf, big fella’. It’s going to be a long season. Pace yourself. We won!
BARELY
I’m sure the Phils would have liked to “barely” win that one.
With Santana pitching? yeah, a barely is good.
With chan ho? not so much.
Here’s the bottomline. The Mets have just gone through two of the wrost collapses in history and problably the most frustrating two years of baseball a team has had to go trhough. This team has alot of holes and plays with fire just about every night. They are a good team, that doesn’t always play lke it. As of now they have been inconsistant at the plate and still have some pitching problems. This team is capable of great things if everybody plays the way they’re supposed to and if they can stay in this thing by the all-star break to acquire a big arm and take it from there. So you can keep acting like this team is coming off consecutive championship seasons, and I can keep “bitching and whinning”. No need to respond, just understand that we clearly have different views about this team. I mean you guys are just rediculous. Fine, i understand you want to be positive, but when you contiuously are tipping your cap to mediocre and bad pitchers, then there must be a problem. Right now the bottomline is that this team isn’t tha good. We’re a .500 team, some high;s, some lows, and thats all we’re going to be until this team can add another starter and can also stand to use a bad. I’m sorry, thats just the truth deny it or accept it. I love the mets just as mucha s any of you do and I will contiunue to watch every game and live and die with this team. Good Day.
Later.
they won. That is the objective. You don’t get style points. Back to .500 finally, and if they can take tonight, just 1/2 game out.
And I think people miss the point about “making crap pitchers look good”. SOmetimes, it is guys like Park that live on off speed and breaking pitches that give them trouble, when they are on and able to locate and throw on the black.
Then again, that type of pitcher on that type of day will give any team trouble. Look what Livan did to the Braves the other day.
Now, get Chan ho or Livan on a day where they can’t get movement, or a breaking pitch over, and they get pounded (like they both did in their previous game).
When you have to worry is when they consistantly can’t hit against guys with no brekaing ball and just weak FBs!
I really wonder how Citi (sorry, shea v2.0) will play when the weather heats up (th eMets too).
It seems like they have been playing in cold, wet, rainy weather for weeks now.
Man I can’t stand how rational you are. You mean 2-5 pitchers are not the SAME EVERY night?
Just because the team has some holes (and all teams do) doesn’t mean you need to be an A hole.
LOL
Amazing, Unleash and/or anyone else considered part of this imaginary ‘core’..don’t pay these blog jockey’s any mind. Before the game these same people were not giving Chan Ho any type of credit to pitch a great game. Now they go back on their word, like they’ve done SO MANY TIMES this year.
Chan Ho pitched a good game, BUT the fact is the Mets are not getting the job done offensively like so many of you said they would in the off season.
Truth of the matter is i’m seeing the same pattern this year that i seen in ’07 and ’08. Their pitcher pitches a gem…any pitcher, but they can’t put runs up on the board. Pelfrey lost not one but TWO 1-0 games to the Nationals. If memory suits me right Murphy led off an inning with a triple and they STILL didnt bring him in.
This was a great win, which we’ll take..but it still doesn’t mask the fact that the offense is missing TIMELY hitting.
It’s not about the core Moses. This is an intelligent post. Find the last intelligent post by Amazingmrbill.
I won’t disagree with anything you said. Where some of us differ is that WE believe that we can turn it around and others do not.
How about finding the FIRST intelligent post by the Amazin one……
WE believe that we can turn it around and others do not.
No real, it is not that simple.
Ok Mrwhatever, explain it then.
The point you’re not getting which they are trying to say from my perspective is that they no reason to believe that. I’m sure you said “They’d turn it around” in ’07 and ’08 and in September what happened? They crashed harder than a Boeing with no wings.
It’s not about the day to day picture, it’s about the OVERALL picture and they are using previous years as an example.
Fine Moses. But what do we do? Whine and bitch about it or just do what Mets fans always do. Believe?
I’m not gonna whine & bitch, but i’m definitely not gonna see one postive and make it out shine..the many negatives either.
I dont remember who but many bitched about Sheff being a cancer…while others thought it was good.
It can’t be good for one group and not for another. That’s the point, the group who bitch about a player who can be productive use cancer as their weapon while the ones who complain about ‘grit’ use 2 years of chokes as there’s.
What are you talking about here? “Blog jockeys” were saying we would bomb Park and we did not and now we are going back on our word? Was there one post which actually suggested this?
The last 5 games have been the opposite of last year…..our pen, except for Green Sunday, has bene amazing, and we DID get late runs every game to win the last 3. This is most definitely not what happened the last two years.
Sure, we need more runs, but still, the last 3 games–against the Phils and AT ATLANTA where we usually lose–are reasons for optimism.
Agreed. As for Park NO ONE would have guessed that back to the wall he would actually pitch well. BUT if you are not blind you could see that he COULD locate his breaking pitches last night and they were nasty. The previous time they were just nasty in a completely other way. The Mets could just sit on his 88 mph FB or take a walk because he could not locate ANY breaking ball.
I read a thread yesterday were at least 80% of the people posting stated this was an easy win. I don’t remember who, but i don’t think one person said “this can go any way”. It was nothing but confidence, confidence, confidence.
The point is why are so many people so over confident for a team that has done absolutely nothing to validate it the last 2+ years.
Yes they have done great in the last 5 games, but can u say thats enough for you to say this team has crossed a bridge?
All some fans want is consistency, because what you feel is what they felt in ’06 and ’07..they simply don’t want to fall for the same thing 3 times.
Thanks Moses! It doesn’t matter how you say it, they don’t get it.
Timely hitting? Like the two two run homers the other night when the Mets were down by 3? Or Delgado’s RBIs the other night in what was a 2-1 game at the time?
Pure nonsense. You expect the team to hit 1.000 in every situation.
And timely hitting is a silly concept. All hits are timely and runs count no matter when they’re scored.
So you bring up the Brave game..i guess that’s enough to forget the dozen other games were they left 10 base runners a game and batted like .200 W/RISP?
If thats good enough for you fine, but it’s not good enough for me and many others. When we see things like that on a consistent basis then theres reason tobe overly confident
And the way Chan Ho pitched last night, the Mets didn’t really have the opportunity for TIMELY hitting. It wasn’t exactly a baserunning party.
Is Unleash Alex?
I seriously doubt it….the way alex speaks and writes is very unique, and he also strikes me as someone who would not hide behind another identity.
Surely Alex would not be so chicken to change his name like the guy that was up his rear.
This is nuts! Are people actually complaining about winning a game?
I have been busy this morning, so I’m just getting on, but come on guys! Pitchers’ duel that the Mets won…awesome. We have the best pitcher in baseball…awesome!
Oh, and I was at the Marlins-Braves game last night and, boy you guys think the Mets have issues? The fish are dead in the water right now and the fans (the 10-15 that were there last night) were downright rapid.
4-12 over their last 16 games. That’s a team with a serious problem.
But, man the hotties were out (as per usual) and the Mermaids were, well, stripperific.
And even more Lowe did NOT look like an allstar.
no, trs, he decidedly did not. i have great seats (courtesy of some crazy season ticket holder a friend knows) and lowe looked awful. his velocity wasn’t good, he didn’t look comfortable on the mound, and he looked like he was pitching BP.
*had great seats
I’m with you. I just signed on and can’t believe people bitching and moaning about a win (again).
At some point you have to acknowledge that there is another team on the field too. Chan Ho pitched well too. And guess what? This was the prototypical “gritty, gutty” win that everyone had been waiting for.
This was the prototypical “gritty, gutty” win that everyone had been waiting for.
No it wasn’t. Johan was great as usual but the offense froze. They won thanks to an error. I’ll take it and hope they win tonight without Santana pitching.
It wasn’t? Playing good defense, hustling around bases. capitalizing on errors and good relief pitching by Feliciano with a runner on after a lucky hit aren’t “grit?” Outlasting your opponent in a tight game?
Then I have no idea what this magical “grit” factor is that you clowns are so in love with other than a vague term that allows you to always have something to bitch about.
Wake up and smell the cut grass. This was a classic pitcher’s duel — a beautiful thing. And the Mets prevailed by playing better defense and getting the big outs when they needed them.
Yes it was.
The problem with people like you is they will never enjoy the game. It will either be a blowout win that the Mets are supposed to have or a win that the team lucks into or a horrible loss that the Mets stumbled into or a blowout loss that the Mets didn’t even show up for. You will never be happy and never enjoy baseball.
Amazinwhatever, as I said early with amazingly no response to: Exactly how is a guy busting his ass to score on an error WITH a broken ass not being a classic example of hustle. Gotta love I can say ass again.
I only answer to you when you are respectful. Today is not the case…. lol
What a frigin teenage joke you are man…..
Last night’s win was THE definition of gutting and gritting out a win on a tough night, and you refuse to address that.
I’m no teenager and i see what he seen. A game won on an error, while a team mightly struggled against a pitcher on his way out.
Perez was in that situation last week and the Phillies captalized..while we face Chan and looked clueless.
Kudos for Delgado for showing ‘grit’, but you know what i wanna see it more often..not just one game. Those one game assurances for this team went out the door in ’08 after they collapsed again.
Some of you guys might get off bullying these younger kats, but its not working here.
You right people won’t get it amazing. It has nothing to do with being negative it has to do with seeing something different from ’06 and ’07 besides the players.
Lack of clutch hitting on a CONSISTENT basis, lack of fundamental play on defense (DROPPING POP UPS).
Yes dropping pop-ups and stuff happen, but its already happened 4 times in 26 games. That’s a dropped ball per 6+ games.