Carlos Beltran was 0 for 4 last night, reducing his average from .404 to .388 – it was the first game this season he did not reach base.
According to Steve Popper in the Bergen Record, Beltran is the first Met since 
Cleon Jones, 40 years ago, to hit .400 or better this deep into the season.
…i have always wanted to see a batter hit .400… i thought it would be Ichiro Suzuki a few years ago, who was hitting .379 in early September… i was a fan of Tony Gwynn, and thought there was always a chance he would do it, especially considering he hit .394 one year… i believe i bet my friend Bruno Maini back in 1990 that some one would hit .400 in our lifetime… i don’t think beltran will do it this season, but i can dream…
…for what it’s worth, i also hope to see Joe D’s 56–game hitting streak get snapped one day, as well as see someone on the Mets throw a no hitter… Johan Santana, i’m looking at you, buddy…
“I don’t keep up with my stats,” Beltran told reporters before yesterday’s game. “This is not about me personally. This is about the team… I care most about hitting for high average because I know if I hit for high average I’m going to be on base more and I’m going to score a lot of runs.”
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I think Pujols is our best bet currently – he’s the best hitter in the league. His lack of speed hurts his quest for .400 though.
The no-hitter thing with the Mets is absolutely ridiculous when you think about it.
All of the great pitchers we’re had in the history of the Mets,
It’s simply amazin’ that there aren’t 20 no-nos already.
The thing that upsets me about it, is most of our great ones went on and threw the no-no after they left or were traded.
I’m also surprised that they didn’t throw one against us, that would be the icing on the cake.
I keep having this horrible though pop into my head that I’m going to be out and miss the game when it finally happens.
It might do you some good to leave the institution once in a while. ;)
Did anyone know that of all sports record there is one and only one that is outside normal statistical probability ?
Dimaggio’s 56 game hitting streak !
Pujols and Beltran will be in a tough fight for MVP this year.
no offense to my boy Beltran, Pujols is just on a whole other level. Manny would have been his only competetion && well thats done.
Agreed. Pujols is in a class all by himself.
Manny? Beltran was a more valuable player than Manny last year, and would be again this year, suspension or no.
But Albert is another story. Beltran is having a huge month, but Pujols is pretty close, and his numbers are not far off his career average!
You know they were talking about Dimaggio’s 56 game hitting streak the other day and while it will obviously be an incredibly tough record to break, people seem to forget about Johnny Vander Meer – this dude threw back to back no no’s. I just can’t see anyone ever doing that again.
I don’t know why people always say DiMaggio’s is the one that will never be broken. Other than Vandermeer’s, I think the only two truly unbreakable ones are: (i) Cy Young’s 511 wins and (ii) Nolan Ryan’s strikeout record, which is ridiculous. No one is even close to either of them.
Ya – no one is going to be winning 300 games anymore much less 500.
True dat!
Why not? Pitchers are getting the same amount of starts per season as Glavine / Maddux / Clemens / Johnson ever did. No reason why there won’t be more 300-game winners in the future (unless teams go to a six-man rotation).
No one will ever steal home more than 19 times. I still can’t figure out how Jackie Robinson was able to do that – and he did it to 18 different pitchers, which means he stole home on one pitcher TWICE.
You have to figure that once he’s done it a couple of times, pitchers would be anticipating it.
I also don’t think Rickey’s record of 1,406 stolen bases will be broken anytime soon. You’d have to average 70 steals per year for 20 years to get close. Even Jose has slowed down on that front.
Yeah, Rickey’s record is pretty freakish.
not only do they have to do that, but to break it you need 3!! Will NEVER happen.
Beltran is not the type of player who hits .400
He hasn’t even hit .300 in 6 years.
Love to see him using the whole field though. Great player.
“I don’t keep up with my stats,” Beltran told reporters before yesterday’s game. “This is not about me personally. This is about the team… I care most about hitting for high average because I know if I hit for high average I’m going to be on base more and I’m going to score a lot of runs.”
What a selfish, heartless SOB.
Of all the Met hitters, he is the one who IMO has made obvious adjustments in his game to take advantage of Citi Field. Good for him.
Makes me think of that story about the reporter who goes up to David Wright and says “David, you’ve got 49 RBI this season…”
“50,” David interrupts him.
something is terribly wrong with wright.. && as much as i love HoJo, i think its him.
i know ppl say hitting coaches dont matter, but look at jaramillo in texas, he makes players make adjustments according to evry field they play in && they have some mediocre players lookin good right now both at home in that bandbox && away
I have no idea what David’s issue is, but I heartily agree that Jaramillo is the best in the business. I’m still a bit bummed he wasn’t hired as Met manager a few years back.
One of the many interesting things about Jaramillo is, hitters on other teams work with him. Jeff Francouer spent time with him this off season.
I wasn’t aware of that DW story. Too be honest, knowing and caring about your stats is not, in and of itself a bad thing. In fact it could be good motivation. Trouble arises when it becomes your sole motivation. Thankfully thats not DW’s problem.
To be fair, it could be an urban legend of sorts. I have no link to it specifically. I seem to recall a panel discussion including beat reporters, perhaps on SNY’s Daily News Live (shout out!) about such an incident.
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orange you glad manny isnt wearing the blue and orange??????????????
Good article on sny.tv about the underappreciation of Carlos Beltran.
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090507&content_id=1501098&oid=36018&vkey=9
I would guess that the current Met with the best chance to hit .400 would be Murphy, since he is largely a spray hitter with a good eye, so he would take a lot of walks that would keep his total AB number down. But don’t worry, I’m not expecting it. Especially since recently he’s started swinging at pitches that, if he took them, would hit him in the knee.
are you serious? murphy protects the plate with 2 strikes. if its close hes gonna foul it off, thats what makes him outstanding.
the guy does not strike out && makes contact, solid contact.
I just said I thought he was the current Met most likely to hit .400, so I think my praise was pretty high. I just feel that, over the last week or so, he’s been swinging at pitches that are low inside balls. If the team keeps him lower in the order, in more of an RBI spot, I’ve got no real issue with this approach because I want him to drive in runs. If they bat him primarily second, I’d like to see him take those pitches for either balls or HBPs, thus getting on base to be driven in by others.
That ball that he swung at and missed badly last night was a hit and run play, and he was just protecting the runner there.
100% accurate. But their have been multiple pitches that he has fouled off, or swung and missed, with one hand coming off the bat, that were rapidly approaching his knee in the last week or so. That’s all I’m saying.
Am I pleased with the .314 BA and the .378 OBP? Absolutely. Do I cheer him every time he steps to the plate? Certainly. Am I imagining a scenario in which his output could be even slightly better? Yes.
You can’t make this stuff up (courtesy of Wikipedia):
Mets’ pitchers have thrown 33 one-hitters, and fourteen pitchers that have played for the Mets have thrown no-hitters for other teams. Nolan Ryan, traded from the Mets after the 1971 season, threw seven no-hitters with all of the three other teams he pitched for over his 27-year career. Tom Seaver threw five one-hitters with the Mets, including three that were no-hitters broken up in the 9th inning. He would finally toss his lone career no-hitter for the Cincinnati Reds after being traded from the Mets on June 15, 1977. Perhaps as painful, two Mets stars during the 1980s would throw no-hitters for the cross-town New York Yankees in the twilight of their careers: Dwight (Doc) Gooden on May 14, 1996, and David Cone (a perfect game) on July 18, 1999. Hideo Nomo, who played for the Mets during the 1998 season, holds the distinction of throwing no-hitters before and after leaving the Mets, throwing no-hitters on September 17, 1996 (for the Los Angeles Dodgers) and April 4, 2001 (for the Boston Red Sox).
And that my friend is the rest of the story, great job.
Just sickens me reading that.
lol kind of hard to follow up the last post….good job beltran keep it up lol
you can say
i dont care about no hitters/perfect games
just bring us some championships!
“or what it’s worth, i also hope to see Joe D’s 56–game hitting streak get snapped one day, as well as see someone on the Mets throw a no hitter… Johan Santana, i’m looking at you, buddy…”
I don’t think there is any way that Johan will hit in 56 straight games.
johan will get his no hitter…
when his contract expires and is playing for another team
***** THE VOICE *****
LOG VER: 4.1-A
=== Manny, Manny, Manny ===
Today at 11:35 AM EST LA Times announced
Manny Ramirez was suspended for 50 games for
use of performance enhancing drugs.
At 11:48 AM EST All it was reported on this
site and all Hell broke loose.
What will the Over/Under be for posts I am
curious to see. Right now it stands at 462.
We all know that Manny is big since it was
heavily debated all winter if the Mets should
sign him.
For those that say Minaya somehow knew Manny was
using PED’s therefore that is why they didn’t sign
him I have to ask, Are you serious???
This is the same Minaya that people are killing for
signing Oliver Perez. The same Minaya people killed
for bringing back Jerry Manuel. The same Minaya people
killed for signing Castillo. The same Minaya people
killed for not trading for Bullpen help in 2008 do
I need to go on?
There are those that take pleasure on other’s misery
for those people I feel sorry. If Manny did it so be it
he deserves whatever he gets but before you all get on
your high horse and shake your fingers at him ask yourself
this,
What If?
What If tommorrow MLB announces Johan Santana has tested
positive for using PED’s will you respond the same way?
Will you hate the fact that many Yankee fans will do to
Santana exactly what some of you are doing to Manny?
I don’t know exactly what will come of this but I know
that giving Minaya credit is a tad much even for the most
diehard fan.
Today its Manny tomorrow who knows maybe
Santana maybe not.
Voice, sometimes its better to be lucky than good.
In this case, whether Omar knew or didn’t know IMO doesn’t really matter as Manny is going to be missing a 1/3 of his teams games.
As far as future positive testers, you are right. At this point everyone is fair game and only a fool would allow himself to be surprised time and time again.
how does one get surprised?
they sneak into the urinal after you pee and collect samples??
I was talking about being surprised that this guy used or that guy used as a fan.
Yes, I agree with Graziano. Mets fans dont give enough live to a great player.
But I think he has it wrong as to why.
Don’t forget the history, Mets came close in 2000 and needed one more player to put them over the top. The Mets brass passed on AROD in the offseason, who at that point in time was the perfect player to fill the perfect spot to make the Mets perennial champions.
Mets passed on him. Yes, the contract terms were absurd. And in retrospect its been a godsend that the Mets did not sign him, yet Mets fans were not happy and to be honest, I do not believe Mets fans have ever forgiven the Mets for not signing him.
Then in the offseason following the 2001 season, the Mets traded for Mo Vaughn. A glimmer of hope, turned miserable as we all know Mo fell down and could not get up for the rest of his contract.
If you recall fan favorite Fonzi got shipped out that year. And the Mets spiraled into oblivion.
But in 2004 offseason, there was hope for Mets fans. Mets wanted Vlad Guerrerro, who they viewed as an AROD replacement. If the Mets could sign him, all would be forgiven. But the Mets signed him and he ended up signing with the Angels. And this time the contract terms were not so absurd.
So the 2005 offseason game along, and the Mets finally signed Beltran to a big contract. I believe the Mets fans wanted an AROD/Guerrero offensive type, which Beltran is not.
Mets fans measure Beltran against AROD and Vlad because they feel that is what Mets brassed served them.
I believe it is that taint (i.e. that he followed the failures by the Mets to sign AROD and Vlad) and is not AROD or Vlad-like, that no matter how good Beltran is (and he is oh so good!) he will never walk away from that taint.
To be honest, that same taint is why so many Mets fans were anamored with Manny. They feel that Manny is that AROD/Guerrero player that Mets fans believe they deserve, but the Mets brass will never deliver.
I could be wrong, but I believe that is the issue.
Excellent post. I think you cleared this up even for people who didnt even realize what the issue was themselves. I think we are all yearning for that Piazza like hitter i.e, Arod, Pujols. Delgado just past his prime even though his numbers with the Mets is excellent. But as mets fans and as intelligent Met fans we should be able to discern the difference which i can do and many can.
That’s a fair argument, at least with regard to Arod, but I’m not so sure that all around I wouldn’t take Beltran in his prime now over Vlad. Which means, at least for part of the argument if that is the fan’s motivation, it doesn’t make sense IMO.
I meant to say Bletran’s prime v. Vlad prime. Obviously now it is a no brainer.
heh. you said taint.
Fire Girardi! Hire WIllie!
I disagree with Matt about wanting to see someone hit .400 or break Joe D’s consecutive games with a hit record. I am always interested in the pursuit, but never the breaking of the record. I enjoy the connection of eras of baseball when someone is in pursuit of an old record. I loved that George Sisler was talked about in today’s age and theorized about, etc. when Ichiro was pursuing the single season hits record. I was sad to see it fall because his name fell with it. Doesn’t matter if one is enshrined in the hall of fame, the legacy of a record is something more widely discussed in homes, at work, in pubs, etc.
As for a Mets no-hitter? No question there…would love to see one thrown.
True but it is nice to link OUR time to history as well.
I would love to see Beltran bat around .400, but I know that isnt happening. Heck, I would love to see any Met do that. About that no hitter, I sense it will come form Johan within the next 3 years.
Beltron cant .300 let alone .400 hence
why hes a 4 and not 5 tool player as many
like to claim.
Why the hate? Is it not possible that in this park that he can hit .300? Not .400 obviously but .300? Sure, why the hell not?
Besides has done it before and his average has increased every year he has been here.
Given today’s announcement about Manny, to bring back balance in the universe I imagine Derek Lowe will toss a no-hitter his next time out.
Someone mentioned that Beltran has changed his approach at the plate due to Citifield – I actually buy into that theory. It seems to me that he saw how the park was going to play and said “f this, I’m going for basehits.”
It’s a small sample size, but it’s certainly possible that he changed his approach with the park in mind.
Oh Carlos…the only way to score runs on this team is to drive yourself in…
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