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Last night, Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado and Luis Castillo did a nice job of chasing down Shane Victorino in a pickle between first and second.
However, on the pass from Reyes to Delgado, before the tag, Victorino intentionally elbowed Reyes, and shoved him out of the way, but it was Reyes who got called for interference and so Victorino was ruled safe at second.
To watch the video of this run down, and Victorino throwing elbows, click here, and go to the 20–second mark.
Jerry Manuel went wild, argued yet another call, his third of the night, and was then tossed from the game.
According to the ump, who talked with reporters after the game, Manuel brushed his hat with the bill of his own cap while screaming at him.
…i know the Mets won the game, and they’re 3–1 against the Phillies this season… but, how long are the Mets going to let victorino make fools of them… he taunts them on the field, he consistently clips infielders when sliding in to second, last year he actually stood flat foot and tall on home plate after scoring a run and did the double point in to their dugout, and then last night he shoves reyes out of the way like George Costanza during a fire… not to mention, Clay Condrey nearly took David Wright’s head off with a fastball behind his batting helmet…
…i realize the Mets are winning, and that if they do not care, why should i… but i do… it’s just so infuriating…
He’s got the little league helmet with two ear flaps…adequate enough protection in case someone lets fly an errant inside pitch.
I dont understand these punk mets. Shane should have been nailed with a pitch. Period. But the mets are scared to lose the game is what it comes down to.
shane didn’t bat again in the game. He was on deck for the final out.
Exactly Jamie. His last at bat was in the 8th. However, after viewing that video numerous times, you would have to think Shane will be put on notice! (i.e., “Oops it slipped!”)
doesn’t it always seem like the mets have an excuse for why they cant hit a guy?
Would you rather K-Rod have walked the batter so he could get to Victorino, plunk him and load the bases for (I think) Ryan Howard?
Your first concern has to be winning the game. With a two run lead you can not hit someone and put them on base which allows the tieing run to come to the plate.
I hope next time these teams meet his first time up who ever is pitching throws a nice hard one up and in on him.
Better to win the game at this point. Payback at a later time. they do something now- the Met player gets ejcted and fined for several games – not Victorino. They will address-I’m sure.
You’re a Mets fan right-this is not hockey.. We won- they go home-enough for now.
it will never be addressed. the mets never retaliate in these situations
They are gentlemen. They have class just like the Wilpons want, and as Omar said, they don’t have that meanness or “edge” to their game.
Why doesn’t Fred cue up some old Brooklyn Dodger footage? Those guys weren’t candy-asses.
I agree he needs to be plunked, twice in a row…lets take this rivalry to a new level with a benches clearing brawl
This rivalry is starting to take new meaning. During the telecast, I remember hearing the fans at Citi Field uttering in unison “Victor Wearthless”!
Let’s get it going!
that was jayson werthless?
Ooops…Thanks for the spotting my inaccurate error. :-) I’m so excited about wanting his head on a platter that I combined both players. Thanks man!
There were also plent of A hole chants throughout the night… LOVE IT lets get after them next time we play them
Totally agree on twice, once is not enough.
If Pedro was still here, at least the old Pedro, He would get a fastball to his head. Whether you agree it should go to his head or not.
Sure, and Pedro would miss his head, and pull four ligaments throwing the pitch and be out for four months…..
Is this the same Pedro who cried when his comeback went awry during the potential clincher in Pittsburgh in ‘06, or the same Pedro who emotional couldn’t keep it together against his old mates in Boston?
Sorry – the swaggering Pedro is long gone and I don’t think the Mets truly ever got to see him – even when he actually did suit up and pitch in 2005.
I was referring to the old Pedro. The new Pedro is a pansy. LOL
Jerry did absolutely brush the brim of the umps hat with his own, you can see it in the video.
And yes, someone needs to plunk Victorino good.
but that was after he was thrown out
Doesnt matter whether or not he was thrown out at that point, as far as the possible suspension is concerned.
No, didn’t Werth hit the 2-run home run after that?
Im sorry, but for the umpire to be offended by this was ridiculous. Jerry asked Welke to get help on the call, which he refused to do. The arrogance of these umpires NEEDSS to stop. Whats the worst thing that happens if Welke gets help? They get the call right? Heaven forbid they actually do what they are paid for. Now Welke is acting like he was personally offended because the bill of Jerry’s cap brushed his. Ridiculous.
The umpire’s union is absurdly powerful. Once they’re in they have a job for life, regardless of incompetence (sort of like NY teachers). MLB had its chance a couple years ago to dump all these creeps and hire back only the ones they wanted, plus bring in top new guys from the hundreds toiling the minors. Can’t believe they punked out.
I want victorino’s head on a platter..
I thought it was funny the chant last night in the 7th and 8th inning.
Jay-son Werth-Less
hahaha! I just mentioned that too. It was loud and they said it in unison! Priceless!
he played the crowd well too
did a coy “yawn”
and the fans laughed it up
Haha it was great — we were pretty loud too. Could you hear it on TV?
It was loud enough on tv that you could barely hear what Gary, Keith and Ron were saying! lol
Yes Shane should be drilled next time he comes up
Jerry brushed the ump’s cap just to make sure his head was no longer up his rear-end.
The best retaliation is winning. The umpire should be reprimanded. What if this cost them the game? But who knows what “being reprimanded” really means. Jerry needs to start tossing bases around!
Sign Albert Belle. Take it out on Utley or Rollins. Never go after the offender.
Utley or ROLLINS?! I thought the idea was to go after their good players.
Utley, Howard or Ibanez
Na i wouldn’t stick it to ILbanez.. Everyone in baseball likes this dude and right now he’s an innocent by stander… Utley, Victorino, Rollins and Werth-less are the ones who should be getting plunked. Because of their words and actions. I’d spare Howard because other than hitting home runs i dont think he’s done anything negative towards us.
Ibanez may be a cool dude, but Hes a Phillie, and plunking him sends a message, we’ll hurt your best player for that bull****. Plunking Rollins is just doing him a favor since he never gets on base.
We’ll see what happenes next time we meet. Victorino didn’t come to bat again after pushing Reyes. So hopefully someone will hit him next time around.
I’m hoping it’s Pelf or maybe even Parnell.
parnell would be great…I want the guy with the most heat doing the drilling
I rather they use a pitcher who is useless now to plunk him. Sean Green.. cuz i dont want our better pitchers getting suspended
good point.
it should be Oliver… then he can feel like he’s actually contributing… if your gonna put men on base.. make it count!!!
I want Shawn Estes! Oh wait…
Oh commmmeee onn i made the Shawn Estes joke already haha just kidding
MrMetkk3…My bad…I’ll give credit to where credit is due. lol. Props to you my friend! :)
Perez would be fine if you just want a purpose pitch, but you know he would miss if he was aiming to hit him.
maybe if he tried to hit him, he would at least throw a strike…. note to Dan Warthen — this is how you could fix Ollie….
Ollie might actually try and hit him but throw a strike
Pedro definately would have hit him. Yes he should get hit and I think if Jerry had not already been kicked out he probably would have made it happen. Does anyone think Victorino should get suspended for a game?
The Mets were not going to start plunking Phillies last night because the Victorino incident occurred in the 8th inning. I am sure the next time they get a chance they will go after him. As much as I hate Utley, Rollins, and Howard, I at least respect them. I have ZERO respect for Victorino and the WWE wrestler known as Brett “I Beat my Wife” Myers.
“I am sure the next time they get a chance they will go after him.”
Seriously? You really believe that?
No chance they beam him. This team is afraid of putting him on base and costing them the game.
bunch of pansies. But I dont care, as long as they win. ahahahahhaha
Matt, I am with you 100%. A lot of talk of ‘edge’ this and that…. This is a PERFECT example. Does anyone here believe this would go unnoticed if this was the ‘86 team?? They wouldve taken care of it right away. Next series, either Cole Hammels or Victorino or both need to get a little ‘warning’ from whoever pitches that first game. We cant just let this go on without doing anything about it.
Matt Cerrone & El Chupacabra
I could see the Mets retaliating next series, last night the Mets wanted to get the W. In 86, someone would have right hooked Shane Victorino but I would rather hit him at the plate then have someone get suspended for a couple of games.
totally agree. victorino is constantly whining about the mets antics… just put a 97 mph bobby parnell fastball in the back, then do it again.
On this point, Cerrone is spot on. No one is saying to hurt the man, but a message needs to be sent. For both the onfield antics and the nonstop running of the mouths over there, from their fat bumpkin manager to this little Hawaiian twerp.
twerp is the perfect word for that guy
Hey, I’ve been saying the Mets should throw at this guy for years now, but as long as they keep lettting this clown get away with his taunting and dirty play, they deserve what they get…
a win.
Even with the Bush league play, they couldn’t manage a win
There are actually some delusional Philly fans who before this series still thought they could score all the runs they need off our BP. Guess we showed them after this series, that ain’t happening….
right on, Matt. I woke up today still furious about it.
This is why I can’t understand why the Phillies talk about Reyes like they do. They’re hypocrites because they have one of the biggest (or littlest) punks in the league on their team. How about a fastball high and tight from Putz or K-rod? Well see how tough he really is.
That’s what you’re taught to do. When in trouble, look to initiate contact. Chances are you will be out anyway, so make some contact and see if the ump will give you the base. He really didn’t go out of the baseline that aggregiously. I actually thought it was a good call (even though Jerry was right to argue). And yes…I hate Victorino with a passion…but at least he did that. DWright or Beltran would have patted J-Roll on the butt after being tagged out.
Also, in baseball 101, you bail to the side you throw from…meaning Reyes should have bailed right, not left. This way the runner cannot bump into you. I run this drill with all my teams; Reyes should know better.
cheating is cheating cuban..wheather your taught it or not. Had baseball fell in line with other sports for a review he would be out.
Watch the replay again. I just did. Absolutely heads up play by the Little Leaguer from Hawaii. If Reyes bails to the right, no issue. Actually, if Reyes just sprints at him and tags him hard in the middle of the back, we aren’t even talking about this.
I don’t think this was cheating at all. The runner is entitled to the base path. The only thing Victorino didn’t need to do was lower his shoulder (for which he should get plunked), but I think that was more to sell the play to make sure the ump saw it.
and he sold it very well no question…bottom line reyes didnt initiate the interferance, shane did and thats why im pissed…especially since the game got alot closer than it had to be.
Good point about Reyes sprinting after him. I was thinking the same thing. He was very close to Victorino and could have easily sprinted and tagged him out, especially since Victorino didn’t have the momentum going that Reyes did. I though the throw was a mistake.
It’s one thing to initiate contact, but you can’t go out of your way to initiate contact which is what Victorino did.
You CAN go out of your way as long are your in the baseline, but he shouldn’t have lowered his shoulder. And yes, he should get plunked next time we see him.
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You are correct sir . . . when it doubt, look to initiate contact.
This play alone doesn’t warrant a beaning, however it may be the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I don’t disagree that he should look for contact. But he Lowered his shoulder and basically ramed into him. Its bush league and should get plunked.
Anyone else, he may get a pass but this guy needs to be taught a lesson.
Finally someone who knows baseball. Good heads up play. Reyes made the wrong move.
So it was a good move for him to lower his shoulder? Wow. It’s dirty and also, Victorino’s reputation isn’t really going to help his cause here.
Stuff like this makes me wish Joba Chamberlain was pitching for the Mets
Good point. Joba would have put a fastball in Utley’s throat and pumped his fist.
HE WILL BE WATCHED loll
it was clear as DAY when they showed the replay..but of course in usual baseball fashion they are more interested in using human error then actually get the call right…shane is a cheater and got away with a reyes rib check…hope he gets some chin music next time we meet
Please tell me you don’t advocate replay in baseball Dirty.
I absolutly advocate replay in baseball if they have a structured way of going about it. We are the only sport that does not have replay to make sure the umps are getting the call right. They want to maintain the “human element”. I think we deserve to get the right call instead of these guys who you cannot argue with and VERY RARLEY have the pride to admit they made a mistake…..plays like yesterday really grinds my gears
100% agree
I do. Yeah, it would be such a terrible thing to actually get the calls RIGHT.
Great win last night, with K-rod closing the door on the phillies, wright hitting well, tatis back in the line up, castillo stealing a base, and besides winning IS THERE ANYTHING BETTER THEN WATCHING MANUEL GIVE THE UMP A PIECE OF HIS MIND!!! he looks like hes going to peck the ump to death… love it
Not to mention, before that all even happened Victorino was struck out but the ump called a phantom “foul-tip” on strike three, before Victorino even reached base. Pelf got him out TWICE that inning before Werth even stepped to the plate.
What makes me angry is that the ump’s incompetence has cost the Mets KROD for tonight
he got a splinter on it isles lol foul tip ;p
i hope the isles draft tavares and get the lighthouse. otherwise, we’re going to KC.
Well, if I were the Mets I would just remind Shane that he is 5′4″ and ugly. I mean you don’t even have to bean the guy, just get him crying on the inside, you know?
That’s a great point. If he doesn’t even like himself, he’s lost at the game of life.
I mean, World Series titles won’t make the face that looks back at him disappear every time he stands on a step ladder to look in the mirror.
the best come back the mets couldve done with that vic play was win the game
however first inning of next game
thats a different story
It would be great if Putz and/or Parnell reminded Victorino that he can’t get away with stuff like that.
Putz because he’s enormous, and Parnell because he just seems like a small, mild mannered guy who can only throw gas.
That moron ump made 3 bad calls against us last night. Luckily none of them really mattered.
I will not boo Ryan Howard or even Rollins, but Werth and Victorino are dirty players.
Ill boo Rollins all day. Who they hell turns one good season, a .250 obp, and a big mouth into commercials for espn?
Utley and Howard are class acts, and Howard proved yesterday he can hit home runs anywhere, not just cheap popups in CBP.
Exactly. The Legend of Jimmy Rollins is gonna be in theaters next week.
just curious, how is Werth a dirty player? not defending the guy but I dont have the same feelings….
It is kinda amazing that many of us who’ve watched baseball over the years know it’s part of the runners job to look for opportunities to do what Victorino did, yet no one’s upset with Reyes getting into such a spot to give him a chance.
So what A-Rod did in the 2004 playoffs wasn’t bush league?
Plunk Reyes!!!!!!! :-)
Drill him the next time he steps up to the plate against the Mets. No fooling around, put the first pitch between his shoulder blades. Victorino can reap what he sows.
Anybody remember Maine drilling Felipe Lopez with the first pitch he threw. Let’s have some more of that.
Essentially if the Mets throw at Victorino, the Phills are going to throw at Reyes…so I would assume the Mets want to avoid that. By the way what Victorino did is what I would LOVE to see our players do…it was a hard nosed play…a little dirty and illegal..yeah, but big deal. He got the job done. I’d love to have him on the Mets
do it when hamels is pitching.
After the first hit, both teams will get put on notice, so if hamels retaliates, boo hes gone.
Didn’t Marlon Anderson try something like that back in ‘07 only to be called out on intereference?
The whole damn league is against the Mets, including the umpires! (NB: sarcasm).
I was thinking that same thing last night. That out cost us the game too.
Marlon went way out of the baseline in a take out slide at 2nd. I think it is much different. However, the same schmuck made the call was on the crew last night. Angel I hate the Mets and deserve an investigation Hernandez
I don’t think that means Reyes would get beaned necessarily. I mean if the Phils are this gritty, old school team than wouldn’t they recognize that Victorino probably deserves and should expect retaliation in this instant– if they go by the “unwritten rules”. Not to mention the fact Wright got thrown at during the game too….
Then we throw at Victorino again? and hopefully some fists are thrown. It would be nice to see men play like men. If you want to keep running your mouth, and trying to upstage the mets, then you might, just might need one in your back or ribs.
Yeah I know, show em up by winning. How about we show em up by beaning the fist pumping midget and win?
That’s the issue I have with the Mets. I root for a bunch of poochies who only care about what every one else thinks. If I’m on that team, I take no prisoners. And I’m a 5′3″ chick. If they throw at Reyes, here’s an idea – START A BENCH CLEARING INCIDENT. Brawl, clearing, whatever. No more Mr Nice Guy. If this doesn’t fire them up, then they have no heart. Boom. End of story.
You go Girl
The Mets seem pretty fired up, now. And so does Manuel. No need for any fist fights.
But I would still plunk Victorino. It’s part of the game.
I liked K-Rod’s celebration after the win. That was good to see. My only regret is they didn’t show The Headless Horseman in a split screen to see the look on his face.
-metsrbest
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The Mets are 14-8 against the Phils since last year. Maybe they should be concentrating on playing instead of this drama based on dancing in 2006.
I guess they just hope for the Marlins and Nationals to actually beat the Mets down the stretch.
agreed and david wright downplayed this whole “rivalry” thing on MLB Network last night. Its important to play well against the phills FOR DIVISIONAL standings but its really not that serious…besides i perfer them do their talking on the field than in the media…
The Wright interview on the MLB Network was fantastic, he downplatyed the Phillies and pushed them to the side like they were irrelevant. David has some swagger right now and he handled that interview well. I would love for Shane to get hit in the back next series because didn’t the Phillies also hit Delgado near the hip recently?
i wonder if the reason the Nats and Marlins always beat the Mets is because the are Fired up for games against us
similar to us only being fired up to play against the braves and phils.
we must bring the same intensity each and every night! against all opponents.
If the Mets can’t get up for the Marlins after the last two years, they can’t get it up for anything. Maybe they should call Manny’s doctor.
The Mets should absolutely throw at Victorino just to let it be known that they won’t take his garbage. It doesn’t necessarily have to hit him, but it would be better if it did. Last night the guy didn’t even get up after the incident. If he did it would mean the game was out of hand and the Phillies were putting up an even more serious comeback. If they threw at him then and put him on base we would all be saying “There is a certain time for doing something like that.” Hopefully they have the memory of an elephant and will plant him on his bum bum the next time he is up. He, like reyes, is the type of player that can change the game and creep into the hearts of the opposing fans to stab it repeatedly. Let’s squash that little Hawaiian bug before he can do anymore damage, boys. Show some spunk, “edge,” attutude, whatever. Just send the right message.
The thing that irritates me the most about the Phillies constant trashtalking is, it’s not just about the Mets, it’s directed towards us, the fanbase as well. We are being constantly disrespected by these punks, who are laughing at us. I respect the Mets composure and desire to take the higher ground, but at this point it’s just making us all look like chumps. I will be very disapointed if Victorino or another Phillie doesn’t get thrown at in their next meeting with the Mets, but I won’t be surprised either.
Next time out I say someone gets a little chin music in retaliation for Condrey nearly taking Wright’s head off.
Is it just me, or does Matt Stairs remind you of Kit “Hit or Die” Kesey from Angels in the Outfield?
Do you think Mets offense plays with more intensity against Phillies or Braves? If you remember last year, Mets got on a winning streak after beating Phillies 2 out of 3 (or something like that) in CBP.
Braves must be really fired up whenever we come to Atlanta.
Good job Matt, great post to get lots of comments. Cant wait to see what the next one will be.
something with manny..
“Wright getting better”, “Opinion: Mets Showing Edge”, “Pagan Released into Halfway House”
Monday after losing Sunday failing to sweep the Pirates,
“Mets Still Lacking Killer Instinct”
Not bad.
Thinking
Mets found edge on edge of cliff.
Manny pregnant, Mrbillwhatever the father
Mets should be dirty and get dirty while attacking Dirtarino.
lol come on….leave him alone, he runs a good blog…He is good at blogging thats for sure.
Rather than through at the rat, I’d just like to see his life on the base paths be made a misery from now on. It’s he’s sliding into second, Reyes should put his foot in his chest. If he’s hustling out a grounder to first, Tatis (not Delgado) should stand behind the bag with his shoulder down. And if god forbid he’s coming into home, I want Ramon “Shrek” Castro to plant him in the ground. Plunking him will just encourage retaliation. Just make him fear getting on.
hmmm…..i like this approach.
Good day to read the Philly Blogs, gotta love their misery
*throw*
That was as bush league as it gets. For anyone arguing that he did it intentionally to get the interference call please watch his reaction at the end of the play. He did not even look to the ump to see if he got the call (that he was supposedly creating). He started walking to the dugout cause he, like everyone else, thought he was out. Drill the whole line up the first time through the order so maybe they can beat us head on for once.
unlike years past, i have faith that santana, maine, putz, and krod all have the guts for a little chin music. Maine was the one who drilled the first batter from washington last year the day after they were taunting Figueroa.
it has to happen in the first inning though, and hopfeully rollins is not on base becasue it would be tough to put 2 men on with utley, howard, and Ibanez coming up. So the timing has to be perfect
Hey I got an idea how we could REALLY get them…… wait listen for it…..
Continue to beat them and make the playoffs and send them home…….
I knew no one would think of that.
This is the problem with newer generation fans. They don’t realize the importance of sending a message. Look what it did for the Rays last year.
Are you calling me a friggin new generation fan?
Seriously?
I understand that the biggest message you could send them is to make them the thing THEY fear the most. Irrelevant.
I’m not saying you’re not a fan, but clearly you’re not an old school fan. Personally I prefer old school baseball where players can’t wear an outfit of armor at the plate, pitcher’s pitch inside, runners slide with spikes a blazin’, and retaliation pitches. You’re a huge fan trs, we all know that, but you’re clearly from the new school, nothing wrong with that, but not the brand of baseball I enjoy the most.
I don’t have a problem with any of that as long as it’s part of the game. I wanted to hit a batter because of Vickie and because of the pitch sent at Wright. But utimately that is EXACTLY what the Phillies want. You know it. That is why they say the things they do and do the things they do. They are pissed that we get all the attention. What do they hear when they win it? The Mets choked. That’s not what I want when I want a win. I don’t want the other team making excuses saying well we just did not play well or we would have won. I want people to be saying that we kicked their ass because we are better than them. So utimately the only way we shut up the Phillies or send ANY message is to make them what they have been for 99% of their existance, irrelevant.
Okay, I agree with the heart of your message. You’re right, the best way to hurt them is to make them irrelevant. But I still think that we can do both. We can beat the hell out of them on the field and we can break Vicky’s ribs. (And I would never question your fanhood, that’s lame when ppl on here try that).
Now I know you did not question that. I just don’t think of my self as a new generation guy. I enjoy the hard fought games and pitchers duels where the game could go either way. I enjoy hardnosed play and retaliation, as long as the game does not become JUST about that. Utimately I want to win the game.
TRS,
You don’t trust the team yet, so no need to explain yourself to everyone.
Uh oh… I sense some sort of east coast/west coast rap rivalry starting here. No shooting, please.
LOL…no east/west. Just different schools of thought. But if it came to blows we’d both be Mets’ fans and we’d be throwin’ down with Philth fans on the OTHER side.
I’ve never been a big fan of labels, so the old skool vs. new skool thing isn’t working for me. You’re just two unique people.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
First Place??
World Effing Champs???
That pack of freaking losers you call a ball team will be playing golf in October as usual.
How do you not sellout a brand new stadium for Phillies Mets??
I’ll tell you….you’re scared!!!
Nothing better than seeing that red in the seats last night!!!
Choke on your pastrami you wankers!
Hey Mr.billwhatever, could not come on complaining with your normal name I guess that would make you look bad.
Choke on your cheesesteak, you jack off.
Can you imagine how pathetic it would be for a philly fan to come into a mets blog the day after his team was swept and try to get a rise from us? That would be so unthinkably childish, I’m certain it won’t happen.
You do realize we own the Phils head to head, it’s the Marlins and Nats that have us in a fluster.
Seriously, how pathetic are you to come in here and act like your the sh*t right after you get swept by us.
And then go on about the red in CitiField. Well too bad all of the red in CBP is worn by DBAGS, unlike true blue and orange wearing Mets fans. Go cut yourself. Really.
Seriously, you know this is not a Phillies fan. This is Mr. billwhatever. Think about it. Seen him on here today? Ok. Now what could he possibly say with his normal name to get a rise today? Wright is not clutch? We would all laugh even more than normal. Thus what does he do? Change his name and act even more like an idiot.
Your right, I just hate the arseholes who do this. I dont even read Philly blogs. I know some Mets fans do, and thats okay, I just dont believe how a D*ck like this would go out of his way to make a profile and just be a loser jackarse. What a failure this man is.
you have no idea… none of you do.
YOURE the clueless one. You have no reason to reply to my comment unless you are trying to defend youself. Stop your antics and post with one profile.
defend myself to an einstein like you? please.
Once again failure to support your arguement, which you should not even be having.
Real, how about you enjoy last time’s win without naming me….. You have a fixation man.
Plus, your paranoia is getting out of control, inspector clouseau.
Now lets see if he can change his name back in time to make a post as the Phillies fan. LOL.
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I’m so confused…I thought amazinmets was the little 12 year old kid? But he’s Mr. Bill…wtf is going on?
oh, yeah, that’s another one. that poor kid is tryin so hard to make these einsteins believe he’s not me…. so funny.
So hold on again…who IS the little kid? Can’t keep this straight.
i don’t remember his name but some people don’t believe him… lol
So WERE you MrBill or have you always only been one dude?
You and couple of your buddies are soooo funny thinking I am several people on this blog. The funniest thing is that you are CLUELESS but you are sure you know….lol
Relax, and enjoy the win.
That’s because you ARE several people on this blot amazin. You have changed your screen name so many times NO BODY can keep up and most of us just assume that any new guy that comes on just trying to get a stir out of posters (because you have admited that is what you do) is you.
key word= Assume
You assume but you say it like you are 100% sure and you are wrong every time.
The way you are denying it, its just so obvious you are more than one person.
if you say so, einstein.
I dont get your point. Why even even start arguing with us about how we are clueless if we are arguing about philly fans being jerks. You should be on OUR side. Clearly you have multiple profiles.
“beltran” you are confused. I said you are clueless about me currently having multiple screen names on this site. (I only have one btw).
You can hate philly fans as much as you want. I don’t care.
Thats fair. Its just that things got heated, and fingers are pointed. lets just stop now.
Sounds good.
The Flyin Hawaiin. What a queer nickname.
He’s a loser. A pesky player, but a clear product of that park. He is Timo Perez with power and more speed. Can’t even hold Beltran’s jock defensively….or offensively come to think of it. He just can’t hold his jock.
All morning I’ve been seething over the Victorino play. I’m so glad Matt is bringing it up. It’s time to go after this clown. Next game drill this guy in the ribs, not the head, the ribs. It should be Ollie, it would help on multiple levels.
Check out Geoff Jenkins on the700level.. quite the character
Let’s not forget who made the bad call with Victorino…Welke, same guy who blew the double play call at 1st. Pretty absurd officiating. Not quite Tony Randazzo, who blew three calls at 1st all against the Mets, but I’ll be watching for Welke’s name to bubble up again and pay close attention.
Make sure we keep track of the right Welke…although his brother might need to “make-up” for him.
next time Victorino is running the bases someone should show him some real interference…an accidental forearm smash across the nose would do nicely. Now that would be worth giving him a base for :)
Quit worrying about the phillies then – you keep this b-s rivalry going, not us!
That’s quite laughable, phillygal. The Mets are in the Phillies’ heads every bit as much as the other way around, or else they wouldn’t be constantly making comments and going out of their way to taunt them. I do agree these teams need to have a full-out brawl on the field, starting with Shane Pricktorino taking one squarely in the ribs, preferably from a 94 mph heater from Mike Pelfrey….
“According to the ump, who talked with reporters after the game, Manuel brushed his hat with the bill of his own cap while screaming at him.”
OH NOESS!!!!!!!
I agree. Mets should watch the recent Lakers game to see how to throw an elbow.
come on matt, i want the mets to retaliate against the phillies’ crap as much as anyone. but nobody threw a fastball at wright. that was clearly an slider/curve that slipped. it was clocked at 82mph … and moyer was out of the game
This probably has been said already, but I just have to chime in on this as Matt is 100% correct–Victorino is one of the dirtiest players in baseball. I still remember him almost taking Brian McCan’s head off in a game last year–obviously going straight for his head with his elbow. There is a place for hustle, determination, and fire. There is no place for trying to break the rules and get away with it, or purposely trying to hurt the opposition.
I don’t hate Victorino because he’s a good ballplayer–he is. I hate him because he is a dirty cheater. I think the Phils have a number of good players whom I would like to have on the Mets. I think a player like Victorino has no place in the game.
Victorino didn’t have anything to lose on that play. He was caught in a rundown and was going to be out anyway. It was heads up baseball and he got away with it, so kudos to him. Again, if the Mets are going to let you get away with that stuff because they are obviously not going to retaliate, then why not try it?
I wouldn’t call Victorino a dirty player and I wouldn’t give kudos to him for that play. But it’s not like Reyes wasn’t in the baserunning path. It wasn’t exactly an egregious call.
Could Victorino have easily run around Reyes? Yes
Was Reyes in the runner’s path? Yes
It’s not this one play, there is a history of him attempting to hurt players, including going out of his way to drop his shoulder, elbow, etc. into defensive players, in order to make plays. He goes over the line WAY too often. Again, go back and find the video of what he did to Brian McCann. Victorino is a dirty player and I’d never want him on my team.
How did Victorino break the rules? Reyes was in the baseline without the ball, so Victorino had every right to flatten him. The elbow wasn’t very nice, but it wasn’t necessarily illegal, either. It’s the same thing as a runner barreling over a catcher as he tries to score (that’s something that was done 25 or so years ago, for those wondering what I’m talking about).
So many people say the Mets need an “edge” or wish they’d be “tougher”, but when someone like Victorino makes a hard nosed play, he’s “breaking the rules” or is “a cheater’. Remarkable.
Well, you could say everyone on the infield dirt was technically in the basepaths. Maybe what he did was not illegal but it was kinda cheap. He moves 2 feet to his right, he lowers his shoulder and initiates contact.
I just know if I did that on my HS baseball team my coach would have had me running laps. For the shoulder part. Just like I would have been running laps if I did Castillo’s fake bunt on a 3-0 pitch.
Punkerino must go down and he must go down hard.
And Welke wins the Angel Hernandez D!ckhead Ump of the Year award.
Frankly, I’m glad in retrospect that we had those blown calls. I think it’s important for the team on occasion to see their manager go nuts. That kind of thing definitely gives the manager about the best opportunity to have the team buy into him as their leader.
That said, time for Victorino to get plunked. But when he charges the mound, our guys have to watch out, as I’m sure he has a can of mace, brass knuckles, and a folding chair in his back pocket.
the thing is, reyes was in the base path and victorino has the right of way. he’s supposed to try to get through the fielder in that spot and i would hope a met would do the same thing.
okay, before anyone jumps on me for this. i just looked at it again and, yes, reyes was in the process of getting out of the way and victorino did “look” for contact by throwing out his arm/elbow.
bean him.
You were right the first time — that’s the right play by Victorino. Any well-schooled Little Leaguer knows that if you get in a rundown you do anything you can to make contact with a fielder who doesn’t have the ball. Maybe not Baseball 101, but Baseball 102. And if you don’t like it, bean him. That’s baseball 101, too.
True, can’t really fault Victorino for that. I still hate the little p®!ck, but it was the ump that blew the call.
well, if you watch the video it’s pretty clear that he went looking for the contact, which at best is kinda squirrelly. the ump should have known better. reyes was not obstructing his path.
but, back to the core issue, which is the team’s lack of interest in fighting. the players won’t do anything that might lead to a fight because that’s not who this team is.
No fighting spirit in this team. Just like the 2000 Mets led by PIazza who lost the WS b/c he didn’t charge Clemens.
Wright = pretty boy
Reyes = dances w/guys in Sports Center commercials
Beltran = apathy incarnate
Delgado = only takes curtain calls for 500 HRs, or whenever he deems suitable
The team is filled with a bunch of talented primadonnas. Any grit they have comes from a scrub player which really has no effect at all.
Wow Dee, we would have won the WS if Piazza had charged Clemens. It’s so simple. Darn you, Mike Piazza!
This isn’t the California Penal League. The game was getting tight, and it was the wrong time for retaliation. The rivalry is just heating up and I’m sure Shame Victorino will get one under the chin his next AB against us. Don’t forget, we’re gangstas!
Victorino should be getting a little dose of chin music next time – what a total dirtbag.
Wish the Mets had a few players with thet f-you attitude he has…
We did. But they get traded once they “act out.” Like when they change cd’s in the weight room without permission…
Oh, let it go already. Do you realize it’s FIVE YEARS OLD, and nobody involved with the team, right up to the GM, is around anymore.
Deep breaths buddy I’m just playin. In all seriousness though, of our 8 position players whose got the fire and the mentality to step up and fire back after nonsense like that???
I’ll wait…
I think Sheffield would do it. I have some faith in Church too. Maybe even Murphy. Still haven’t seen Reed enough to gauge his personality. But Sheffield for sure.
If it comes to a brawl I want Santana nowhere near it. If he gets injured in a brawl, the season is over.
Church?!? The same guy who backed down from Francessa???? No way. That goes for Wright, Reyes, an Beltran too.
I agree with Sheff. I’d throw in Murph, Castro, Cora, and Castillo (yup I said it). Soooo I pray there’s no brawls due to the lack of fight in this team…
Eh. Don’t retaliate at Victornio directly. He messes with you, show that his teammates are put at risk.
Maybe Hamels gets drilled the 1st time he bats? Or poor Utley gets a forearm to the face by a Met baserunner. Or Howard could “accidentally” get spiked down at 1b.
And if they don’t like it? Well, there’s nothing wrong with a brawl.
But here’s the bottom line- the Phils are champs, a-holes or not. And until the Mets accomplish that, they’ll always have the trump card over us regardless.
I was embarassed when he cheated (and got away with it) during the WBC. It put the US team in a bad light, but an out after the play made it moot. He purposely stood on second, yet stuck out his hip to interfere with a throw from the OF, creating a chance to goto third. HE’s Mr. BUSHLEAGUE.
I agree. That play was total crap and made me root AGAINST the US because of it. He is a cheap little bug-eyed ba—rd.
What’s the difference between Bush League and playing to win? That heart/fire/guts/grit/blah/blah that everyone’s so desperate for the Mets to have? I’m really surprised at all these reactions. You’d rather have players who keep their doilies clean than who play to win?
The difference between playing bush league and playing to win here on Metsblog depends on whether or not you are wearing orange and blue.
That’s crap. You can play with class, and play hard, and win. Bush league is taking cheap shots, trying to injure others, trying to win by cheating. You endorse that, root for the Phils. That whole town supports that attitude, Flyers, Eagles, et al.
Hello sir. Well put. A great slide is hustle, breaking the rules on purpose and hoping you don’t get caught is Bush League. Victorino is the definition of that.
I’m not sure if it has already been said here, but besides Victorino, you have the ump who first blows two calls and then – EVEN WORSE – is covering his butt in a very way that it is easy to catch him. If you look at the full replay, you can clearly see where Jerry’s cap beak connects with the Ump Welke’s, but it is AFTER Jerry is tossed. The ump couldn’t even get that straight..
Cver, that occured to me too. Jerry didn’t go atomic until after the tossing. Some crew MLB is throwing out there.
I think Keith would have jumped on the field last night if the benches cleared.
Why all this rage against Victorino? I think he’s a great player and wish he played for the Mets. I’ll take a player like that on my team any day. He goes all out to win every game. He does whatever it takes to win. He doesn’t back down. He has the heart of a lion. He would be a cult figure if he played here in NY. He’s exactly the kind of player the Mets need. Haven’t we been hearing how the Mets lack “fire” ad nauseum for the last few weeks? This guy exudes that “fire” and he’s being trashed as a “cheat.” That’s funny. Frankly, he reminds me a lot of Lenny Dykstra.
The real ire here should directed at the continued state of decline of umpiring in MLB. These types of obviously incorrect calls are now becoming commonplace. Sometimes I really wonder whether any of these guys know the rules. The pathetic state of umpiring is more of an embarrassment to the integrity of the game than steroids will ever be. To me, that’s a non-issue. All any baseball fan has to do is watch Angel Hernandez call balls and strikes for a game and tears should start running down your cheeks. Even though I understand the rage, Victorino isn’t the culprit here. He was just doing whatever it takes to win and the reason he got away with it was the umpire missing the call. He’s not to blame. The umpire was. Maybe he should be suspended/fined, as well as Manuel.
Maybe, but if Victorino WAS on the Mets HE would be the Phillies poster boy for hating the Mets not Reyes. Vicrtorino is way worse because he does it at the other team. Jose is in his own little world. That’s why Mets’ fans hate him.
Finally someone said it, Thank you!
Great post.
If a Met had done the same thing, we would all be worshipping his gritty heart and balls…..we want our guys to do anything to win and we are going to cry and moan like girls when an opponent does it? He didn’t spike Reyes or try to hurt anyone or cheat at all…..he made a weasel move and got away with it due to the umpire.
And you are SO right about umpiring…it is a joke, and a really bad one. It is nice that baseball has cut back on 350 pound obese umps who could not move as we had up until maybe 5–10 years ago, but still, umps have wildly inconsistent strike zones, they are routinely out of position, and their arrogance borders on comedy. You could watch every NFL game for five years and not ever see ONE official get into a player or coach’s face like MLB umps do. MLB umps should be taught to enforce the rules and keep quiet otherwise, as NFL and NBA refs (not named Joey Crawford) all do.
I’m sorry to dissappoint this stup*id post, but it wasn’t cheating. Victorino was smart in what he did. If you are most likely going to be out, hit into the opposition and try and get a bad call. Its a no lose situation.
Really? It’s a “smart play” to throw your elbow at a fielder? Victorino is a punk, and he’s been doing this kind of nonsense for too long. If it had been the other way around, Phillies fans would be outraged.
It’s smart when you are going to be out anyway. Take a chance, the umps are idiots and will blow the call.
Hopefully the next time the Mets play the Phils, Victorino gets knocked on his ass
What gets me is how the Mets get the rep for being the bad guys…
I don’t get it. I never see it. If anything I think we are too “soft”. We should be meaner, and jerkier on the fiedl, no?
Absolutely. Our boys yap a lot but wouldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight…
I don’t think he should get beaned….but maybe if Luis or Jose were to land on his ankle while turning a DP…..well……stuff happens.
The VIctorino play in addition to the reliever throwing over Wrights head calls for retaliation.
Utley or Shane should be the target next time they play. Right in the back and I dont meen with livans 63 mph curve.
The home run by Werth negated any chance of retaliation…it put the Mets in survival mode.
Victorino did exactly what you’re taught to do, which is try to find contact during a run down. It’s annoying, but not particularly dirty. The problem in this case is entirely that the ump, who was standing right there, fell for it. That was a ridiculously pathetic call, and then for him to have the nerve to whine about the tip of his cap being grazed was equally pathetic.
As for throwing at people, I wouldn’t mind seeing NiCole Hamels getting one in the back for his remarks this off season.
Gentlemen, we have found ourselves an enemy leader on the enemy team and her name is Shane Victorino.
I could give a rats ass if this is “good baseball”. Retaliation is in order. These idiots from Philly are constantly whining about Reyes and his celebrations and whatever else their complaint du jour is with the Mets. Meanwhile the Phillies are F**tards on the bases and need to cheat to stay in the game. I want to see some muscle tossed back at them so the Mets get fired up and stop looking like chumps.
Winning is best yes, but winning and beating on them is even better.
I am an old school basebal guy. Victorino did what was allowable without getting tossed. Are the Mets goign to answer? Regretably, no.
Its like trying to make a passive dog into a pitbull, not gonna happen. This team isnt the in your face team of 86 unfortunately.
Maybe, we can win without the agressiveness or “edge”, for my hearts sake I hope so. BTW the confidence and swagger that Philly has their championship was the end result.
Really hope Victorino gets one in the back next time mets and phillies meet up. the phillies, their fans and the rest of the league thinks they can beat up on us. it’d be awesome for Mainer to chuck a 96mph message
also, did anyone notice the first game when Wright was thrown out at second, Rollins blocked second with his entire leg, next time we should slide spikes first and not head first.
Phillies are playing the game hard, and thats a good thing, but we need to return the favor
We won 3 of 4 from them so far. Stop crying.
If a Met did EXACTLY what Victorino did, we would all be worshiping his heart and balls.
He made a weasel move and got away with it due to a crappy ump.
Met fans’ whining this morning is pretty funny…..other teams SHOULD call our fan base a bunch of frigin whiners, because it is. Win and whine, lose and whine, take a day off and whine.
if you actually read the post you’d realize i’m praising Victorino’s play b/c his whole focus is on winning the game, I’m saying the Mets need to give it right back at them, b/c that type of play earns respect. which is something the league lacks for this team.
Brock you have to stop getting your kicks out of talking down to people, you really havn’t shown the “critical reading” skills needed to tell anyone about anything especially whinning
And when Marlon Anderson tried to break up a double play against the Phillies, he was called out preventing the tying run from scoring, and the game was over
The worst part is that Victorino shouldn’t have even been on first base to begin with. During his at bat he stuck out but the Ump called a phantom foul-tip which the replay showed he didn’t touch. So two different times he should have been out and then Werth wouldn’t have even been able to come up and hit the 2 run HR and we probably could have saved K-Rod who now can’t pitch today…
I wasn’t able to watch last night’s game, but in the video replay, it didn’t look like he hit Reyes all that hard. Not even a little bit. Reyes didn’t even move.
He didn’t hit Reyes hard, he just made a weaselly and heads-up play to avoid being tagged out….
Met fans are really about the worst whining little bitches on this here planet.
could somebody just break this guy’s legs? i think we need to put a hit out on him, because the mets aren’t going to do it. anybody have mob ties?
just kidding…but not really.
Terrific post Matt. You’ve brought something to our attention that the mainstream beat reporters can’t address…Victorino is a jerk. (Note “jerk” is the sanatized version of many other words I’d like to insert here.)
How long are we going to let him taunt and walk all over us. Next time out there we need to drill him with the first pitch he sees.
I’m with you 100% on this Matt.
Matt,
You have your usual loose association with the facts fueling your anger. First, the pitch from Condrey was offspeed either a change or breaking pitch that got away. It was pretty obvious and even mentioned on the broadcast. He wouldn’t have been headhunting there.
Second, I agree that the interference play was a horrible call and pretty blatant but calling Victorino a “cheater” over it is going too far. No, I don’t care for him but if a Met did that we’d be saying that was a smart play and good gamesmanship.
You’ve had problems with the facts since this site started so I don’t expect that’ll improve. However, it seems you have started to be pulled in the direction of many of the knucklehead commenters on here who can’t see both sides of something and can only see it for their team.
1) The cryin hawaiin
2)Dicktorino
3)Pricktorino
4)Shame
you know that a lot of coaches will teach you to try to make contact with an infielder when you are caught in a rundown to get the interference call. reyes should be nowhere near where victorino can touch him, but reyes is not a good fundamental ballplayer.
Do they tell you to elbow the other player too???
if that’s what it takes to make contact with the infielder, then yes
why cant some one hit this moron.
As a die hard mets fan living in Pennsylvania, in the heart of Phillies territory, Believe me when i say that the rivalry is STRONG.
If you wear a mets jersey to the game, they hassle you and scream at you when your team does good, then when someone hits a home run. they ALWAYS have something to say.. usually steroids.
Beltran doesn’t get a moments peace.. i get it, sports fan might yell something now and then. but they don’t quit. ever.
They occasionally fight us, and of course get outnumbered. then WERE hustled all the way down to the security station, because we’re not home team, where assumed we started it.
Citizens Bank Park is a beautiful park despite all this, cheese steaks and crab fries (french fries with old bay seasoning and something i can’t quite make out) are REALLY amazing.. But there bathrooms are a sham. There urinals are like dixie cups!!
But i got to hand it to phillies fans, they know how to pre game it.
These umpires are blind as a bat. I can’t believe that they called Reyes for interferenece when you can clearly see that Victorino shoved Reyes. Jerry had every right to argue but he’ll probably get suspended.
Before all of my fellow Mets fans get too excited about this series, I found several disturbing trends that are reminiscent of the past two years. First of all, the Mets got ahead 7-1 after three innings and then did not score anymore. You can credit the Phillie bullpen, or at least give some creedence ot the fact that, as is their trend, the Mets rested on their laurels. They let the Phils backinto the game and had to use Rodriguez for the fifth day in a row. I was furious that they even gave them a chance to get back in the game. Secondly, David Wright was obviously sent a message by Condrey – and Reyes by Victorino. In baseball, turning the other cheek is weakness. They did not retaliate. Next series if Utley or Howard or Victorino do not go doqn, I’ll be angry. Remember the ‘86 Mets and how they intimidated. Think about the 2000 World Series and Piazza being nailed with no retailiation. Don’t think it doesn’t make a difference in the way a team feels about itself. Last year, the Phillies came back from two large deficits and beat the Mets (one was 7-0). In a third game, they were down 10-1 and made it 10-9. This team needs to beat up on them and knock them down. Until they do, they won’t win the NL East.
hmmm…
i’d rather whoop them every game…just completely take their heart…they really believe they can come back in every game…that “belief” would be shaken by a few 10-1, 10-0 games….
thats what i want to see..