Jose Reyes did not play last night due to a stiff right calf.
However, WFAN’s Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts continue to push the idea on air that Reyes was benched last night, as punishment for sloppy base running during the last few games.
In the Daily News, though, Adam Rubin writes, “Manuel insisted Reyes sitting wasn’t a smoke screen to bench the shortstop for sloppy baserunning in Wednesday’s home-stand finale.”
Nevertheless, Benigno and Roberts believe Manuel and the Mets fabricated the calf injury to not embarrass Reyes, who told reporters prior to yesterday’s game that he could have played last night, though he felt the pain in his calf as early as Wednesday afternoon.
What’s more, the two radio hosts feel Manuel forced his team to steal seven bases last night to send a further message to Reyes that the team is capable of speed without him in the lineup.
…well, if this is the case, and manuel has some magic button that can make his team do special things on demand, can he use it more often, please… thanks…
…here’s the thing, when reyes talked to reporters yesterday, he pointed out the injury, and showed them the area near his shin that was hurting… according to eyewitnesses, he was walking gingerly at times, though he wasn’t so far as limping on every step… also, from what i understand, the Mets took an X-Ray, and even considered keeping him back to take an MRI, but chose not to…
…isn’t this a lot to go through in an effort to protect jose’s ego…
…plus, if you’re going to punish jose, why hide the reason… isn’t the whole point to call him out on his mistakes…
For more on Reyes, read John Harper in the Daily News, who wonders if the player’s lack of instincts will force Omar Minaya to consider trading him one day.
Reyes just got benched period…probably wanted to show him how to properly steal bases and proper base running. We need reyes to be reyes and be agressive but not cost us runs in a game. Im happy manuel is making them run more and hopes he continues to do so…
Good job by John Harper in the Daily News today discussing the future of Reyes and the Mets.
I agree that he was benched. The reason given for him being out of lineup was to protect his fragile psyche. Remember what happened a couple of years ago when Randolph benched him for not running out a pop-up?
This is why I don’t listen to WFAN anymore
It is funny how the Mets tie a club record with seven SBs the night Reyes sits.
However, WFAN’s Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts continue to push the idea that Reyes was benched last night.
Not just those two…. EVERYBODY knows that.
Benched whatever, but I don’t think they stole bases last night because they wanted to prove something. LOL.
Here comes the grassy knoll theories.
Tatis is the only guy that would have run hard out-of-the-box for that double. The first base-running error by Reyes was terrible though.
Ever think that all the stolen bases has more to do with the fact that Delgado and Reyes’ bats were out of the lineup and they were trying to produce some runs?
Beltran doesn’t slide twice with no benching, but Reyes does? Double standard.
Conspiracy Theorist. Sometimes it is what it is.
Reyes has proven that he’s pouty and immature enough to throw a temper tantrum now and then. Embarrassing him in public just leads to moody Jose.
If they really did want to send Reyes a message, this is a great way to do it. This way he’s not embarrassed in public but Manuel gets his message across.
I agreed with John Harper’s assessment… if the Mets miss the postseason again this year, I’d trade Reyes for a front-line starting pitcher in a heartbeat. That way we upgrade the rotation and can sign or trade for a smart, scrappy, hustling shortstop who plays good defense. Reyes’s lack of hustle, lack of intelligence on the basepaths and lack of defense (this month) really exemplifies the nature of this club… talented enough to put together a 7 game win streak despite some stupid play, but in the long run the team’s talent is supressed by the lack of good “baseball sense” (for lack of a better term).
“What’s more, the two radio hosts feel Manuel forced his team to steal seven bases last night to send a further message to Reyes that the team is capable of speed without him in the lineup.”
This may be the stupidest thing ever utered on the air waves.
Any of you who believe Reyes was benched is ridiculous. The Mets were already down two guys. It was the first game of a long (and important and tough) roadtrip. There is no way the Mets try to make a point then.
Whether he was benched or his calf was really bothering him, I am very glad that they set a team record for stolen bases without him there….Perhaps that fact alone will give him a kick in the a*s*s*.
it’s time for this team to just make a decision with out a smoke screening. However, it won’t happen with these guy’s running the show .
Who the hell knows?? We won Im cool with that. i guess if hes not in the lineup tonight then we could put the benching idea to bed unless then again they are benching him a second day to cover up the fact that he really wasnt hurt yesterday lol
Bottom line?…Who cares…They won…Reyes isnt like a 2 year old kid…he heard enough about his stupidity on the basepaths. He will change or he wont change but benching him wont change the outcome for his future basepath adventures. All benching would do is send a message to the rest of the team which I have no problem with.
If this injury is real, it is one that could nag him all season, which, obviously, is not good for this team…
If he was benched then good. He deserved it. As far as protecting his ego…Hmmm… I can see that happening. We all know that Reyes aint the most mature player out there. i.e. Jerry’s first game in Anaheim. I dont think it would’ve been smart for Jerry or Omar to call out Jose. I really think it wouldve back fired.
As far as stealing 7 bases to show Jose how its done… I think thats bit of a stretch.
crouch, I have asked this 100 times. Name the last star player under contract that was traded for a star player under contract?
You are not getting a top SP for Reyes and no team is getting Reyes for a top SP. Those trades do NOT happen.
Joe Benigno. There’s someone worthy of believing, Why would anyone take seriously anything this clown thought and/or said.
did reyes cost us any games lately? he just made a few mental mistakes, it happens to everyone in the game. do we see him making these mental mistakes frequently? No.
BTW isnt reyes a free agent after 2010? I hope we resign him, the yankees and red sox will be killing each other to sign him.
Lets hope a miracle happens and we get an update that Delgado is in the lineup!! I think we all know and feel in our guts the chances of this happening are slim to none. A trip to the DL feels all but done but hey you never know I hope somehow we get an early season miracle.
Hasn’t anyone here ever coached? Manager gets on player for miscues, player blames injury as part of reason. Manager says oh, in that case, lets sit you out. Player gets “punished.”
This is no different than when a 6-year-old complains of a stomach ache to get out of something, and then gets better when the parent says then we should go to the hospital.
And yes, I am comparing Reyes to a 5-year-old. Sadly.
DB, yes he did cost us 1 game with an error but that happens.
And Reyes is ours through 2011, team option.
There is no reason to trade reyes…period.
Anybody that would trade 25 year old ss who plays solid defense and led the league in hits last year along with triples, and who regularly leads the NL in stolen bases is crazy.
Every player has flaws. Reyes’ flaw is concentration. Nobody is perfect.
Joe R, I hope Delgado is NOT in the lineup. The Mets do that too often. I would bet he would be in todays lineup and then on the DL tomorrow. They need to DL and wait the 8 days because of the retroactive and see where he is then.
Yes and in a few innings last night we saw how valuable Reyes is to this team when Cora threw the ball away on a flip throw for a double play and then more importantly couldnt make the difficult play up the middle that brought a run home for SF. Reyes 9 times out of 10 makes both those plays. I found myself being reminded how good of a player he was even when I was down on him.
I still think in lala land if you could get a young dominant pitcher under control for 3 years then you should do it. But again, what point does even discussing that make?
Then my Yankee fan friends’ suggestion that they will be poaching Reyes to replace Jeter after 2010 has been greatly exaggerated.
TheReal….I totally agree with you. I was just praying for a miracle where in my dream he comes back to the lineup tonight and doesnt miss a game the rest of the year lol. Yes the best move would be to figure this damn thing out and if DL is the best course of action let’s do it.
07:$2.5M, 08:$4M, 09:$5.75M, 10:$9M,
11:$11M club option ($0.5M buyout)
There’s been talk of whether they will erect a Jeter statue at Yankee Stadium when he retires. But after watching him play SS this season, I thought they already had.
Reyes’ instincts are so bad that he’s been caught going to third trying for a triple 1 out of 73 times.
What I don’t get is why we always play short handed when we could just DL the guy in the begining and wait our 14 days. I am not sure anyone is worth doing that for.
Randytate….or Reyes has pain in his calf.
Just saying…
the rest of the team should follow how tatis, church, and santos hustle…last night tatis almost beat out a routine grounder because he was busting it out of the box..he was out by half a step…and church hit 2 routine grounders to first and came within a step each time of beating the 1B to the bag cause he was busting it…not sure why the whole team doesnt take that kind of mentality…
LOL Wanny. Who knows where he will go after SS. Maybe 2B, DH, LF???
zen,
I completely agree with you, every player has flaws, nobody is perfect.
wright and reyes are untouchable and if you dont like them, you are not a mets fan.
I think it was a combination of sore calf/sit him down/getting him a day off.
No. Reyes’ lack of instincts needs to be made up by better coaching. If we’re seeing worse things out of him this year, it’s mainly Manuel’s fault.
Reyes _does_ learn pretty well, just look at him fielding from when he came up to now. He’s learned a lot, works hard, and grinds those lessons into instincts that he doesn’t have normally.
Joe and Evan are wrong, and If I thought I could get through, or cared to wait on hold, I’d call in and point them out. They stole bases not because of a message by Manuel, but due to Wright’s leadership abilities. Wright recognized that this team is generally an aggressive, fast, team, and that with Reyes out, others would have to step up if they wanted to win that way. (And better that than revert to Manuel’s idea of ‘power presense’ with Sheffield and trying to hit home runs in that park, or any park).
Jeter is a great legend and a HOF, but he’s terrible defensive SS now. But he does have the ‘grit and heart’
RealSince86:
You make a good point, all I’m saying is I’d be willing to do it. We wouldn’t get equal talent in a trade for Reyes… any team would be stupid to trade a frontline SP for a shortstop whose game is built on speed (which will inevitably decline, hence causing him to lose value much faster than your typical player). No way we get a young stud… so hell, maybe we just trade him for some team’s top 2 prospects and sign a hard-nosed SS. Either way, if we miss the playoffs I’m going to place a lot of blame squarely on Reyes. He’s overrated because he can run fast… that’s it. When he’s concentrating he’s a fantastic player offensively, defensively, on the basepaths. But he also embodies the inconsistent, stupid play the Mets have exhibited over the past 2-3 seasons.
Plus RandyTate… I dont know how that conversation between Reyes and manuel would have went.
manuel: Why did you run to third when the ball was in front of you?
Reyes: My calf hurts I wanted to run more, so i ran to third instead of staying at second.
Manuel: Oh I get it..you figured the more you run the better the calf will get?
Reyes: Yes
Matt, a benching does not have to be publicly aired for a player to “get the message.”
And yeah, I’d like Manuel to bench, say, Castillo and have the rest of the team hit home runs to show Castillo that we’re still waiting on his — what, second? — HR with the Mets.
little physician perspective here … matt, if you’re right and the mets said they performed an “x-ray” for a “calf injury” … that’s total smoke and mirrors. there is NOTHING meaningful that can be ascertained from an xray when looking for soft tissue damage. NOTHING. nobody in the clinical arena would suggest such a thing. sometimes, the lay public uses the term “x-ray” as an umbrella to encompass all radiographic tests (such as plain films, ct scans, and mri) and it could be that they did perform an mri, which would be totally reasonable if they suspect some type of calf injury. but otherwise, “x-ray” in the classical sense is just confirmation to the doubters out there that this is a smoke screen to hide what this really is … a benching.
d-boy:
I like Wright and Reyes a lot — my favorite Mets, along with Johan. But don’t purport to tell any other fans whether or not they’re “real” Met fans. Thanks.
Ceetar..
Let me ask you this. Do you think a player like Reyes, who is getting paid $25M over the next three years, has any incentive to listen to a coach who is making a couple hundred grand? As Larry Bowa said yesterday, “Its more of a babysitter’s job”. Players only listen to coaches to a certain point…. after that, its on the player.
Manuel is doing a decent job. I have some problems with his bullpen management from time to time, but every Mets manager since Bobby V has had that problem. The problem with the Mets right now is the players’ heads are in the clouds, and Reyes embodies that
@crouchiers
“He’s overrated because he can run fast… that’s it.”
He led the league in hits last year. Triples and SB over the last 4 (avg).
Name another shortstop that has done that in the history of baseball.
Omar should bench Manuel for all the blunders he’s made.
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crouch, I have no idea why I am inclined to debate with you here. Reyes is signed through 2011, you think he will be slow at ANY point in those 3 years? Also, like it or not he has set some impressive numbers with hits, triples, HR and SB.
I for one do not want to go into rebuilding mode. What happens if those two prospects don’t pan out as most do not and then you are stuck with a disaster at SS and nothing to show for it. We are a large market team, we can’t get top return for Reyes and there is no SS available that is better. Thus Reyes will still be a Met.
Carton and Beningo are to sports what Rush and Hanity are to politics.
Smm140 name the last time the Mets had someone take an MRI anywhere but in NY?
@ Zen,
Leading the league in hits is wholly a function of where you hit in the batting order. He also led the league in At-bats last year with 688.
Once he loses his speed, he’ll no longer beat out infield hits, no longer hit triples, and his value will decline tremendously
ANYONE WHO WOULD ADVOCATE TRADING THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT, END OF STORY.
NEXT TOPIC PLEASE.
Fortleemets, lets keep the politics off. It’s not like the Democrats have ANY thing they can combat those 2 with.
“Reyes has hit .243 and .214 the last two Septembers”
That passage from Harper’s article struck me.
For all the flack Wright gets in September, Reyes may be even more guilty of melting under pressure situations.
But, I don’t think it’s wise to consider trading him unless someone makes an offer Omar can’t refuse. Reyes needs better coaching and mentors. Maybe bringing back Valentin as a coach next year would help.
I’d hate to see them give up on Reyes so soon.
toomanyuniforms,
am I talking to you directly?
I talking to the fans who want to trade wright or reyes. and you dont have to tell me what I have to write or not. thanks.
Crouch then why doesn’t every leadoff hitter lead the league in hits?
Also you are talking like the kid is in his mid 30′s. He is far from time to slow down. Hell even Vince Coleman didn’t slow down that fast and he gained 106 pounds.
thanks udontmesswiththejohan.
@crouchiers
1. He’s 25 not 35
2. The league leader in hit is rarely a lead-off hitter. You’re wrong.
3. He hit .300. It’s not just ab’s.
Sports radio hosts are idiots, so you can’t really expect more from them than this stupid report. It’s not like those two morons have any sort of inside access. I trust Matt’s opinion and word more than I trust the banter of two talk radio jocks who need to muster up listeners by blabbering nonsense about fake injuries and the like.
Benigno is no better than any of the other fickle fans that cry “sky is falling” after one loss.
@RealSince86
Look, I’m not calling for a change unless we don’t make the playoffs.
Two years from now, if we fail to make the playoffs both years, do you pick up the $11M option on Reyes? I’m sick of this losing, and if it continues something has to change. I’m not saying Reyes is worthless… far from it.
I’m saying that I’m sick of losing, and Reyes’s attitude and lack of intelligence significantly off-sets his god-given talent.
Vcarver, yes Reyes besides injury and BP is the biggest reason for 07 and 08. If you look at Beltran, Delgado and Wright’s numbers in September those 2 years and compare them to Reyes that’s easy.
This format stinks.
TRS — agreed. I thought we’d be done with Bush Derangement Syndrome, whereby EVERYTHING goes back to Bush in certain deranged minds, but now we have “Rush” instead of Bush. “There is unrest in the forest. . . .”
But my question is crouch if Reyes is not playing SS who the hell are you going to get? You are not going to get anyone better. If Reyes attitude is a problem and it’s bringing down the Mets then they either need stronger wills and or stronger leaders.
I think we should trade Green. Philly Phucs need bullpen help as Lidge is looking terrible. So I’d say trade Green for one of their young arms…. say…. Hamels?
So the Mets win 7 in a row and Mike Francesa spends 15 minutes talking about the Mets in a 5 1/2 hour show. Then the Mets lose and he talks about the loss the majority of the show. Today he complains about SNY not showing a good enough angle on the Beltran steal and is complaining about Parnell. He is such a jerk.
Listen everybody (zen & realsince) I’m not entirely sure why you’re getting angry. I’m just trying to make a point. I’m a diehard mets fan, I watch every single game, and I’ve seen (just as you have) the mets lack of mental discipline and toughness over the last 2.5 years. I’m not advocating getting rid of reyes now…. but if this continues, we need a change. Wright is a franchise player, Reyes isn’t.
Zen, it absolutely is a function of where he hits. Yeah, he hit .300… but that was far from leading the league. If he gets an average number of at-bats for a given player for a season, (say 550-600), he doesn’t lead the league in hits.
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Ick.
Crouch:
I don’t see how trading Reyes for prospects furthers the Mets goal of winning a World Series this year.
DND, LOL.
I did think about a trade however. What about Green for Rauch? Rauch has been terrible there but could regain that form and make our pen quite impressive. Or even see if the Rockies want to save some money and trade for Street.
trs,
i have no idea. neither do i understand what your point is. i was simply giving my medical opinion. how and where the mets get players’ mris is beyond me. all i’m saying is that to suggest they ordered an xray to evaluate muscle injury is ludicrous and a true cause for an eyebrow raise.
I certainly don’t want the Mets to trade Reyes, but my position on that topic is that if this season ends with the team missing the post season yet again, I will then finally come around to the idea that one of the core might need to go, and I think of Beltran, Wright or Reyes, Reyes would bring the greatest return. I’d love Garza and Bartlett for example. But I’m hoping Reyes will be fine, the team will make the playoffs, and the point will be moot.
Wanny2
I didn’t say they should trade reyes this year.
RealSince,
If we’re talking god-given physical talent, then clearly nobody beats out reyes. His athleticism is almost unrivaled in mlb. What I’m saying, to paraphrase Yogi Berra, is “baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical”. Reyes clearly lacks the mental edge of at truly great player/leader, which we all agree is soemthing that this team sorely needs
I really enjoy conversing with you all — even the people I don’t agree with like the mannyacs!
But this format is so unfriendly and not conducive to reading that I won’t be coming back as much. It’s just too time consuming and difficult to read comments and have discussions.
So if you don’t see me for long periods of time it’s because I won’t waste my time with this new format.
I hope Matt comes to his senses.
smm, maybe they were worried about a stress fracture and later concluded (from the X-ray) that it was a muscle injury?
Crouch, I am not angry at all. Like I said, I have no idea why I am debating with you but I am not angry.
As I said if Reyes is just a product of the top spot in the lineup then why don’t all lead off hitters have more hits?
And if this continues we may need change. But trading Reyes for prospects will for sure bring about change but is it CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN?
Maybe not the change you want. Now this discussion may indeed turn political.
gravedigger,
i fully agree. we have one of the most physically gifted “core” lineups in all of baseball, but it hasn’t been getting the job done (so far). Of the 3, Reyes is clearly the one to trade. I doubt the Rays would do Garza/Bartlett, although that would be fantastic
@crouchiers
I’m not angry. Just find arguing fun.
The Mets will never live down trading Reyes. It will make trading Kazmir seem like nothing to fans.
Zen i agree with you about Reyes and that its silly to think of getting rid of him as he does things others in baseball history just dont do…but what i do find funny is how you say everyone is not perfect…but you seem to want to run DW out town every chance you get….little bit of a double standard there dont you think?
Grave that’s not going to happen. That type of trade does not make sense for the Rays.
zen — depends on what they get back. It ain’t gonna be Victor Zambrano, I’ll tell you that much.
you cant trade reyes…he has to learn to be smarter on the basepaths…thasts it…end of story…and who cares if manuel benched him last night…everyone is more concerned over that than the actual win…if he benched him then he benched him…he has to learn…get back on the field and take what you learned and use it…end of story
haha realdeal great segway to politics.
@zen
I love this debating. Although, would you really want Scott Kazmir on your team at this point? This year he’s pitching like Ollie v2.0 (circa 2008)
Crouch if you don’t have mental “toughness” then you bring it in. However, you don’t do that by trading Reyes for prospects? How would that make any sense. You think the team would be better with David Eckencrappy at SS instead of Jose Reyes?
@hjhjhjhjhj
Run Wright out of town? Me?
I would never trade Wright. I’ve said it a million times that I would never trade Wright or Reyes.
#7 and #5 should be on the wall in Citi after long careers with the Mets.
zen says:
May 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
@crouchiers
“He’s overrated because he can run fast… that’s it.”
He led the league in hits last year. Triples and SB over the last 4 (avg).
Name another shortstop that has done that in the history of baseball.
Year in and Year out Jose Reyes puts up offensive seasons that HAVE NEVER BEEN MATCHED IN BASEBALL HISTORY!!
the seasons he has each year are unparalleled. (big word I know)
Go look it up, they talk about it every year! let me repeat… EVERY YEAR!!!
i think we should be more concerned about delgado and putz rather than if manuel benched reyes or not…dont you think?
Talking about trading Reyes etc on Francesa along about other trades they may make in the next few weeks.
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RealDeal,
As much as I can’t stand that fidgity F, at least he’s intelligent and tough.
Clearly I’d rather have Reyes, but combine the two and you’ve got SuperShortStop
Guys I hope you understand that MOST Mets fans are not like us. We make up a very small percentage of the fan base. IF the Mets were to trade Reyes for prospects there would be a revolt of the average fan. It’s not happening. Reyes is a money maker, you can’t replace the money he brings in with anyone except another star and those trades do not happen.
Eckstein should just put “straw man” on the back of his jersey. If you trade Reyes (which I’m not advocating), you go with defense at the position and maybe make up the offense elsewhere on the diamond with the prospects. In the short term, it could be Cora.
Again, though, these are moves to be made AFTER the season.
vcarver — i tried to make that point re: Reyes in September to the group of clowns that call themselves “the Core” (notice they are not present during the better times this year) and blame Wright for all the world’s problems.
When you only need to win one extra game during a month and your leadoff hitter does not reach base, you needn’t look past that fact (and, of course the atrocious starting pitching at the time).
That said, trading Reyes is just a silly idea.
Thanks for that udont. Way to make this format even worse.
TRS
I don’t want it to happen, but why does it not make sense for the Rays? They allegedly have this plethora of minor league pitchers for which they need to make room, why not improve elsewhere on the diamond while doing so?
Anyway, bottom line, I don’t want to trade him. Simply discussing a possibility should it become an option.
Impeach the format!
Lol…this is rediculous…
Reyes for prospects…we dont even know if they are going to pan out…
There are a BUNCH of bad baserunners in the league, Reyes is not one of them. Reyes just has to be coached thats all.
Realdeal,
Agree with you again. I’m not saying the Mets WOULD trade Reyes… Omar and company are businessmen first, and Reyes is a huge revenue-generator. Just saying if you or I were GM, it would be something to consider if we keep missing the playoffs.
Amazing how everybody stopped complaining about our pitching now that all 5 starters are on a roll. Lincecum vs. Livan looks like a laugher on paper… really looking forward to this game tonight
Toomany, again think about it. Why on earth would the Mets trade Reyes for prospects and then go with a bad SS?
we are going to win tonight
toomany,
that’s plausible. but it’s difficult to pick up stress fractures of large bones on plain xrays alone, so if you don’t see one, you’d have to get an mri anyway to make sure it’s not there. that is, an xray can never rule out a stress fracture, it could only rule it in. plus, his symptoms are totally inconsistent with a stress fracture, as are his biomechanics (long distance runners are the ones most prone to this injury).
Get used to it crouch..everything is the worst until they start playing better
(i.e. trade wright….)
Wanny Wanny, interesting how you twist the Wright issue.
Wow people really even advocating trading Reyes…I just dont get it. Sure he makes maddening mistakes at times but so do other players on other teams. What SS are you going to get that can handle the position? And what team is going to give up their #1 or #2 starter? It is not like they grow on trees. If you trade Reyes and he blows up and leads another team to a championship how would the fans handle that? I mean it took many years for Michael Jordan to win a title, just imagine if trade happy fans were GM of the Bulls and traded him after his first six years.
Calm down, he will help you win more games that he will lose. Have some faith for a change.
Take it easy TRS.
“It’s just that this damned format and that lying SOB Johnson…”
It sucks. can someone do something. Please.
We should trade manuel…he has cost us more games than reyes lol
Watch Eckstein throw and then tell me you want him instead of Reyes. Eckstein is Luis Castillo II at the plate, as well.
Oh of course!
That’s why they stole 7 bases… and to think, I thought it was because Sanchez is incredibly easy to run on, Molina can’t throw anyone out, and that the Mets needed to score in the 9th, stupid me!
Just incredibly dumb.
Bartlet: 369 .409 .549 .958
Garza young stud pitcher.
Combined they make 2.5 million and are under team control.
Dirty, maybe we can trade our Manuel for the other Manuel down the turnpike?
Eckstien doesnt want to play for the mets….
So i guess everyone is cool with cora playing ss for the rest of the year then?
TRS: because they get better at other positions (presumably) and add depth. It’s a long term move — something they should only think about if the team finishes around .500 despite the NL’s highest payroll. They need a productive lineup and a good defense. They don’t have to have it all from their shortstop. If the lineup as a whole gets better (long term) and the defense doesn’t dip, you can make the move. To get you have to give. Reyes, Wright, and Beltran are what we have to give. Again, unlikely scenario, but if we go 77-84, there have to be drastic changes.
For the record, I’m saying this now, when the team has won 8/10 games, not when we’re losing.
Dirty: That;’s the truth.
Amazin: I din’t twist anything. And I’m not about to get into another debate with you and your irrational juvenile teammates.
I just hope we have a suceesful year and make the playoffs and make a strong push because the bottom line is if, and god forbid….knock on wood, we collapse or just dont make the playoffs either Reyes or Wright are most likely gone agree with it or not. It wont be Beltran. I like all of them so i hope this never happens!!! But can we seriously wait to August or Septmeber to discuss this. Lets talk about getting a bat or a starting pitcher this year by the trade deadline.
this format is tremendously horrible in every way imaginable.
lol dnd…at least we will get an NL style manager who for the most part knows what he is doing….
And if we go 77-84, we should also hope to win game 162. ;)
dirty, he might eat Reyes though
Joe Beningo is seriously an idiot. It pains me to share mets fan-dom with him. I only watch daily news live when hes not on it.
TRS:
Bartlett is a .283 .342 .376 career hitter.
This is the second day in a row you’ve used May stats to support your argument.
One more thing: burn this format at the stake.
they are not going to go 77-84…i wouldnt even consider trading reyes wright or beltran…i would trade murphy before those 3 players…
Let’s not forget that Citi Field is perfect for Reyes. It’s a triples paradise.
@crouchiers
I think Kazmir would be great in the NL.
@toomany
That’s true, but it’s hard to get even value. And Reyes is a defensive ss. Who cares if he’s not the best player in mlb? I’m fine with his production especially @ his salary. $6m
lmao dnd…only to set the tone ;p
Eckstein? What is going on – where did his name come from?
Garza young stud pitcher.
Bartlett playing way over his head, check out the rest of his career.
The pitcher they bring up from the minors to replace Garza, even cheaper.
I’ve read you advocating the acquisition of Sonnanstine in the past, I’m trying to get a worthwhile pitcher instead, so sue me.
Again bottom line, I want to keep Reyes.
TMU:
No, there doesn’t.
The Indians are horrendous, but they’re not even close to contemplating trading Grady Sizemore.
Trading our best young players for players who MIGHT pan out is dumb, reckless, and moving in the wrong direction
mittal: as much as fatcessa is an a$$hole, Benigno is even more unlistenable. He is the ultimate knee-jerker.
lol…for everyone on this site…everyone is so angry at everyone today..lol…must be in the water…haha…cant we all just get along?
screw you enterkrod.
lol enterkrod
the game isnt until 10 lol…people are restless
Joe R I can 100% bet you that if one of those 3 gets traded it WILL be Beltran. He makes the most money and does not bring in as many fans. Then if that happens I hope the core enjoys their work.
Sylar: Maybe they’ll have a jersey trade-in program so you don’t freak out.
Standing pat after a collapse would be the kind of thing a traditional loser does . . . kind of like the Indians. You look at what’s out there, trust your scouts (and stat people, sure) and contemplate a deal. He would not be given away, nor would he be traded for a crusty vet . . . ideally. Then again, these are the Wilpons. . . . .
enterkrod, i think it’s the nice weather. nobody wants to be in their office looking at a computer screen now.
Imagine the team wasn’t in first place by two games.
Trading Reyes or Wright, will be one of the worst decisions this club would ever make.. and frankly, i dont think they’ll make it… they’re both 26.. 26! they have 4 more years until their technical “prime”… you will never get back the value that wright and reyes give us on a day to day basis.. instead, why not get players around them that will complement them and make this team win games in other ways? that seems like a better plan to me.
“However, WFAN’s Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts continue to push the idea on air that Reyes was benched last night, as punishment for sloppy base running during the last few games….What’s more, the two radio hosts feel Manuel forced his team to steal seven bases last night to send a further message to Reyes that the team is capable of speed without him in the lineup.”
Besides being a pathetic ploy to create controversy and boost ratings, this thoery is completely counterintuative. Reyes’ base running problems have been that he has been TOO aggressive. So by intentionally sitting him and then stealing 7 bases to show the team can do it without him, doesn’t that excerbate his problem by making him more aggresive and wanting to steal even more bases when he plays again, thus leading to more stupid baserunning? Makes no sense to me.
I used to like Beningo when he was on the overnight show but now that he has a day slot he has become a radio w*h*o*r*e just looking for ratings. I’m done with him.
Again… the mets have won 8/10. We really should be excited right now.
How about Sheff? This lineup isn’t going to skip a beat if Delgado out long-term.
Also, if Delgado isn’t out long-term, then we have one hell of an interleague lineup… NL always loses interleague cause we can’t plug in a decent hitter at DH… this year we’ve got Delgado/Sheff at DH. Pretty solid
Wanny it fits this time though. It makes no sense for them to trade 2 players making a combined 2 million under team control for a hole that does not exist. If they trade those guys it will be for a HR hitter and or a closer.
wow wanny…you arent a prick or anything…and dirty at least you understand that i was kidding…jesus…wanny is a freakin prick..I WAS KIDDING..you little girl
enterkrod… wanny was obviously joking
Who cares what Joe Beningo has to say? This guy who looks like Kiefer Sutherland hanging upside down in the cave in the Lost Boys would rather agree and join with the Yankee loving-Met hating NY media than defend his own team. Im so sick of his chronic whining and negativity, please Joe go full circle and convert to Yankee, your a disgrace as a MET fan. As far as Evan Roberts, whats his talent? Pronouncing his R’s like they taught him in broadcasting school so he dont have a New York accent on the air? His claim to fame was baiting Cole Hammels to furthur bash the METS. You can convert like Joe The Vampire….two disgraces to original thought sports talk and two disgraces to MET fans who live and die for thsi team.
Toomany, there is no senerio that I can think of that trading Reyes makes us better.
I wonder what Philly phucs blog is going through now… gee..
lol…downndirty…thats true..i didnt think of that
Jersey trade in??? That’s absolutely hilarious and it completely makes sense too!
Trading your good young players because the rest of the team fails is inexplicably stupid.
You trade Wright and Reyes, and you say goodbye to being competitive for the next 5-6 years….
TRS, we simply don’t know what’s out there. Again, it would be downright idiotic to do it NOW. This is a hypothetical if the team ends up sucking with Reyes having a reasonably decent year (thus maintaining trade value.)
I actually like Joe and Evan show…
100% right. you need to understand they are 26. I think we should be more worried about establishing the bottom end of our rotation and getting everyone healthy. If they traded Reyes or Wright, it would be the worst thing thats happened to this franchise
I guess we disagree. Beltran is an unbelievable centerfielder with all the tools. You know that whole 5 tool thing…which is true. They can replace Reyes easier with a bat in the outfield that can play defense and then get a lead off guy. Betran and another solid outfielder to patrol Citi is the way I think they would go. Who knows though? Silly talk because we are winning this year.
enterkrod — you must have turned off your sarcasm detector. I was kidding too. Sorry if you were insulted.
if the team ends up sucking, it will be due to catastrophic events, like a major injury to two main players, johan’s arm falling off, etc. this team will be competitive all year, given health.
The Mets are not the Royals.
If the Mets wanted a starters, they could have thrown money at Sabathia. If they needed a bat, they could have thrown money at Tex for 1b.
Why trade Reyes or Wright? Spend a little cash. This is not Pittsburgh.
what are we all talking about? are we still talking about Reyes trading?
Uncomfortably, we should admit that REYES failed in September . . . not just “the rest of the team.” By trading that young player, you get more players and you shake up a situation that’s obviously not working.
Again toomany I ask. Name any star player under contract that has been traded for a star player under contract?
If you trade Reyes for prospects how does that make the team better? Are you saying you use his small amount of money to go get better players in other spots? Hell you can do that anyway.
This is pointless because large market teams don’t trade guys like Reyes.
i think that wanny is really angry today…must have gotten his p3nis stuck in his zipper today
im sorry did reyes blow 29 games last year toomanyuniforms….my memory is hazy
And because this asinine format keeps people from seeign the entire thread, I’ll add that I DO NOT WANT TO TRADE Reyes.
lol…sorry wanny…again its all this angry…lol…just to let you know i was kidding with my last post too..lol…its all good…just reading all these posts…im thinking wow this is some angry debating..lol
TRS – I think more than anything Hebner was suggesting that type of trade, not necessarily for those two players.
Anyway, if TB was confident that they had the pitchers to replace Garza (which isn’t likely right now with Jake McGee hurt and Wade Davis coming off an injury last year) then I don’t think they would be fooled by Jason Bartlett’s month and would fully recognize the long-term upgrade Reyes would represent.
not only that real..whos to say those prospects will pan out…
Joe R. It’s not about what I would do, it’s about what the Mets would do. The Mets would never trade Reyes or Wright until the end of their contracts it would be a PR nightmare. However, I think a lot of the average fans would be ok with Beltran leaving. Stupid as it may be.
usually when we all argue it turns into friendly bickering…but reading it its all like whoah…haha…i dont want to see them trade reyes..
Honestly someone do something about the format – I can’t follow anything – one minute someone talking about Reyes and then the next minute Ecksteins name is being thrown around. WTF metsblog…wtf?
enterkrod: and I wear button downs for just that reason… to keep the frank from getting unde the beans.
the situation last year with the mets didn’t work because we had thee worst bullpen in the majors. Reyes and Wright can do big things in New York just like in ’06. Never trade them
Zen…sorry i had the name wrong….
@ wanny
they have david price in the minors…im sure he can replace garza
Do not blame all of last year (or ’07) on the bullpen. They were bad, and they were a scapegoat. There were big problems with starters and situational hitting, too. And yes, Reyes disappeared.
Reyes and Wright did a terrible job pitching out of the bullpen the last two Septembers.
okay… Raise your hand if you want to trade Reyes.
Alex! I meant Reyes not Wright.
But Wanny you are forgetting the Rays are small market. They have 2 cheap players under team control. Reyes would be their’s for 2 years and gone.
LETS WIN TONIGHT!!!….WE HAVE WON 9 OUT OF 11..lets extend our lead!!!…LETS GO METS
dirty: I think their plan is to replace Niemann with price and I doubt they’d then replace Garza with Niemann.
Wanny
Yes, that was the idea.
toomanyuniforms
Yes, me too. I DON’T WANT TO TRADE REYES. I was simply putting forth some ‘what if’ thoughts for discussion. Just in case I didn’t realize trading Reyes was a bad idea, Mike Francesa and many of his callers advocating it confirm that for me.
The Marlins have fared quite well with this sort of trade in the past, incidentally. Just don’t write it off, is all I’m saying.
I’m pretty comfortable blaming all of last year on the bullpen.
Beltran is the best offensive player on the team. Wright is the second best offensive player on the team. Reyes is a distant third, but his perceived value around the league is much higher than his actual value to the Mets (in my opinion).
lol wanny….that was great…to keep the frank from getting under the beans..hahaha…thats classic stuff right there
Cant compair the marlins to the mets tmu…
Has any info come out that Delgado is done for the year?? Everywhere I turn i.e, TV,radio,friends, internet it is all about replacing his bat right now. Trades right now. Did I miss something already? I do agree it doesnt look good but lets wait and see. Isnt today the day Manuel said they make a decision?
TRS: Again, it’s that type of trade, not necessarily those players.
And my point is that any team with a Jason Bartlett type is not going to be dissuaded by a good month of May.
YES LGM BABY!!!
A trade of prospects for Sonnanstine makes more sense from a Rays and Mets prospective.
Again, if history were wrong and we could get 2 young studs or a 1 dominant pitcher for Reyes then things might be different.
I still have yet to get even one legitmate answer to the star for star trade.
this comment section really blows big time
Grave: I’m not listening to Fatcessa but I am guessing there are a share of callers claiming that last night is proof that the Mets can win without him?
Before I ever blame Reyes, Wright, Beltran, and Delgado for anything. I will always give a big middle finger THANK YOU to Omar for providing this line up(up until this year so far) with some of the most disgustingingly talentess and lacking depth pitching staffs ever assembled and to the Wilpons for closing their wallets when the team needed them most. The pitching on this team the last 3 years has let the METS lineup down time and time again and again to the point of exhaustion.
realsince86:
May 15, 1998 — The Florida Marlins traded Gary Sheffield, outfielder; Bobby Bonilla, third baseman; Charles Johnson, catcher; Jim Eisenreich, outfielder and RHP Manuel Barrios to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Mike Piazza, catcher and Todd Zeile, third baseman.
haha
toomany, the Marlins are a terrible example. You think the Mets fans would put up with constant rebuilding and most years being noncompetitive.
Wanny, I understand the fact that it’s just May. My point is that if they are going to trade Garza it will be for a real need. Their real need is BP and a power hitter.
The lunactics thankfully do not run the asylum but maniac egos like Mike Francessa, Brandon Tierney, Joe Beningo among others will absolutely press the issue of trading Reyes because they love the idea of needling the fans and the Mets, even those among the maniacs who are Mets fans, I think they prefer to be miserable vs. hold onto some semblance of reality.
Spare me the insane trades as if every other GM in baseball is a hapless schmuck. If it is evident the Mets are going to trade Jose Reyes because they believe he is a problem not a solution they will get the same type of return they got for Scott Kazmir, that is to say very little.
TRS: I agree that the star for star trade is exceedingly rare. But I’m guessing that if the Mets were foolish enough to shop Reyes, that there might be an exception to the general rule in order to acquire a rare, true 5 tool talent at a premium position.
Joe R
to the best of my knowledge there has been no specific information update on Delgado.
I believe all of this media discussion, as well as the discussion here, has been in the context of a ‘what if’ scenario. We have been infected by the media’s desire to have been the first to suggest something, myself included.
since i can’t really grasp anything that’s going on with this format, i’ll just write whatever i’m thinking.
forget wright and reyes…how about locking down beltran to another contract when it comes up. without him in that vast expanse of a center field, this team is a good deal worse defensively. i think we’d see a stark difference if he wasn’t out there gobbling up balls in the OF.
gobbling up balls. my 2nd job
future star for star:
hamilton for volquez
Who is Brandon Tierney?
Feisty in here this afternoon!
Anyway, unlikely Reyes gets traded, but the team will survive, since he will only go if they get blown away with the package back.
And, the last 2 septembers (Alex’s 1 favorite AB notwithstanding), Wright has produced big numbers, and Reyes has been MIA. Just sayin’.
The team also didn’t collapse or “choke” in 2008. They were decimated in the pen, and also had a bunch of position guys hurt . It was a miracle they were even alive on the last day.
And how can you say they stood pat, after changing 6 of 7 guys in the pen?
Brandon Tierney is BT
On a side note, the Mets are 10-3 this month and Reyes is hitting .444 this week.
@ billydee: I’ve been thinking about that all year. depending on his decline, he’s a possible HOFer, and I’d love to see him go in as a met. Depends what he asks for, of course, but it’ll be really interesting to see when the time comes.
Beltran is a Boras client. It’ll be tough to re-sign him to a reasonable contract.
Will some benign God please take the microphone away from Joe Benigno?
Wow.
There apparently is a person more moronic than Mike Francesa:
Rick from Staten Island.
I feel my brain cells being depleted
there is no reason to trade Reyes and Wright they are established all stars of the game. How about open your wallets and go out there and buy some pitching around Santana.
I actually agree with Matt Cerrone 100% on this. Crazy.
Also, i want to vomit when i hear 40 year old fat and out of shape beat writers who have never played in anythign other than a beer league game to even try to talk about “baseball instincts.”
After reading through this some of you are so ridiculous, i can’t even read anymore. People were whining whining whining about reyes and how he needs to run more, he tries to run a double into a tripe to get himself on third in a position to score on a wild pitch, try to draw a balk etc, yes he made a mistake, his biggest mistake i believe was running on the ball in the hole from second to third and then kind of standing there like a lost little boy instead of sliding, that i believe is the biggest mistake and i’m pretty sure we all know that he was benched for it, reyes loves to play you know he would go out there with a gimpy leg
now trade reyes, i mean come on now, reyes is a met, and he should be a met, are you people that down on the team you are thinking about giving up one of our pivotal guys, homegrown talent, great defense, great skills, reyes makes things happen. No player is perfect, no player is perfect but reyes brings a lot to the table, i can’t believe people on here are advocating trading him, i just cannot believe it. i am so in shock
as for the questions asked above
Johan for the Cy young of course, not sure about gold gloves i can never tell, i always think reyes should get one so i’m not sure..
i am going with Beltran and Reyes for best defense on the Mets. Church is pretty good 2
uhm idk about the choking thing, got up and lived my life, remind myself theres always next year, freaked out of course, prayed for KROD the second time around
I’d rather be a fan of a team that i love, like the mets, if that had a below .500 record it would be tough to take, the “choking” is tough but i don’t see last year a choking
2 things, francesa just said that sheff is better then church and murphy on his WORST day…disagree on that cause we’ve seen sheff this season and except for a couple hits…hes sucked…and 2nd…all of these callers are just flat out stupid…the team is 4 games over .500 and not really struggling right now..and because reyes has a rough week all the trade the core or dont trade the core bs has started again…if the mets make the playoffs this year and reyes plays well everyone will forget about this..remember when wright was good as traded 2 weeks ago before he got hot and started getting clutch hits…yea..all the trade wright talk has stopped..
Wanny,
I can’t pretend to understand what the callers’ motivation is, but what Mike is saying is along the lines of what I mentioned in a previous thread today, which is that if Citi Field continues to quash home runs, the Mets may be better off acquiring a bona fide starting pitcher to pair with Santana in a Schilling/Johnson kind of way, and that to do that they would have to part with one of the ‘big three.’ I liked the idea until he spouted it, now I’m less sure.
@ BillyDee and Jaime:
I too ahve started thinking about it and I can’t imagine his decline being so percipitous that they wouldn’t look to re-sign him. I’m thinking the 3 – 5 year range.
Also Matt, I LOVE the new comments system with numbered posts for easy reference, but i think ascending order of comments [i.e. 1,2,3,4] instead of descending [4,3,2,1] is the way to go.
Much more intuitive
Crouch, nice try. Now go back and look at the question.
Name a star player under contract that was traded for another star player under contract.
Piazza and Sheff were impending FA and none of the rest of those players were any more than salary dumps.
BT? Whats his time slot on WFAN? They didnt take Tony Page off the overnight did they?
DND, yes, but I’m hoping the economy + more prevalent trends in evaluating decline/dollars + having won a world series or two here will influence his decision :-)
Sylar completely agree, people on here often don’t think before they post. I lose a few points off of my IQ while reading comments here. People are constantly suggesting that we trade the focal players on this team who contribute on a yearly basis and give the team a chance to win.
It isn’t those who produce that should be included in trade discussions, maybe it is the supporting cast who often don’t live up to expectations.
this format makes this blog terrible
trs, ARod for Soriano? It’s more of a salary dump too, but you can make the case for your question.
Brandon Tierney is on 1050.
Star(s) for Star trade……Roberto Alomar and Fred Mcgriff for Tony Fernandez and ??????
Joe MClvaine was involved in that
we need to worry more about delgado and his hip than thinking of trade possibilities involving jose reyes
@ 215 I complete agree
And i think you posted a line twice by accident, but its worth repeating:
No player is perfect.
Jose’s presence alone in any line-up gives any team in the league +6 or 7 wins
Let’s not worry about Beltran for now. His contract is up at the end of 2011. We still have 2+ more seasons with him.
Oh btw, Reyes’ contract is up at the same time, not to mention KRod’s club option contract.
But then Castillo and Ollie will be off the books, so maybe the Mets can re-sign Beltran and Reyes and pick up KRod’s option?
Joe Carter…..
Francesa is a blow hard and an egomaniac. I never put stock into anything he said. Don’t miss him at all out here on the left coast. Love Mad Dog and Scotty Ferrall on Sirius though. Shake it up!
BTW, Reyes needed to sit last night, regardless of the reason. Give him a rest after the cross country flight, let him think about his actions. We take at least 3 of 4, and I will be there for Santana manana! Yow!
Don’t forget Babe Ruth and Cash!
Here is exactly why the concept continually driveling out of Mike Francessa’s oversized head is totally ridiculous.
First, no player is untouchable if the right trade scenario comes along. Example if the Mets were going to eat some salary on Johan Santana the Cardinals would send the Mets Albert Pujols for Santana and Wright or Santana and Beltran. So yes any player can get traded hooray.
Second, Francessa’s mind babbling “core” mantra rests on the idea that a team is only driven by said “core”, but I would say case in point would be the late 90s Yankees, the stars did statistical lifting but it was the likes of Charlie Hayes, Jim Leyriz (done), Scott Brosious etc that always seemed to put those teams over the top, not to mention having a staff always four deep and a great bullpen.
No amount of “core” can get you passed your short comings. Or perhaps the Yankees of the 1980s should have dealth one of their “core” of Don Mattingly and Dave Winfield even though their starting pitching was a farce.
Or maybe the 1990s braves should have traded their “core” after the 1996, 1997 or 1998 shortcomings, or their 1999 return to the WS OR…they could have had a better bullpen.
DND…im sure the mets will go hard for reyes and beltran…castillo not so much. I hope they start training havens for 2b soon as there is likely nto going to be alot of talent for 2b the way the game has changed…teams are signing players through arb years and they are like 30 by the time they are FA..
Hebner:
It’s a rare reasonable thought by Fatcessa. But I don’t think the Mets need to break up the team in order to accomplish that goal.
I think they can accomplish that via free agency, so long as they can plug their other holes internally, i.e. replace Delgado with Murphy/F-Mart), Putz with Parnell and Niese for Livan, etc.
The toughest hole to fill will probably be behind the plate. The way Josh Thole is swinging the stick, though, they may be able to get away with a veteran to caddy him. We’ll see, though.
Reyes is part of the heart and soul of the Mets.
Left coast? I guess we’re in Right coast… or shall I say ‘Wright’ Coast… haha…
sorry…
I’d bet, barring drastic regression, re-signing Reyes is a given. that’s what makes the Beltran contract interesting. And if Krod’s been healthy & effective all 3 years, I bet he’d be super expensive, too. Which do you sign, Beltran or Krod?
OUT…OUT DAMNED FORMAT!!
BigPelf I think you have brought up that trade before and it does not competetly fit. Neither were stars yet.
Soriano for Arod is close. That’s a good one.
I can’t remember the details with the Alomar Mcgriff trade but Alomar was not a star yet. Don’t know if or who was under contract.
HangingSlider – thanks for the support, haha yes i wrote it twice because i am just so mad by some of the comments here
Ohhhh 1050….I dont listen to that at all, too much Joe College JO mentality by subpar talents. Id rather listen to Francessa tweak us MET fans, at least he knows his stuff and his wifey is a MET fan so you know its to get listeners involved. A lot of other guys are pure haters and dont have the talent to mask it.
jamie, KRod has a club option for 2012 at crazy $17.5M. So, if he’s the next Mariano, it might get picked up. Beltran should be 33-34. Totally guessing here, but he’ll get something like $14M rather than his $18M now….
Does Garry Templeton for Ozzie Smith count as star for star?
Evan Roberts and Beningo fit into the hysterical Met fan category.
If Matt ran a poll on this Blog whether to trade Reyes or Wright 90 plus percent would say do not trade either of them. Francesa’s job is to provoke. Ignore him.
People need to get a grip. Do they not realize Reyes and Wright are the best players in Mets history at their positions? No one even comes close. Enjoy them for what they are. Very talented with some flaws.
Wanny,
I like the way you put it in # 236. Let’s hope it works out that way.
Grave, Ozzie for sure was not a star yet by then. I am not sure Gary was ever a star. And of course I have no idea about their contracts.
Yes and no because Ozzie was never expected become the offensive/Hall Of fame player he did become.
Wally I agree. And people are forgetting that baseball is a buisness. Financially it makes no sense to trade either Wright or Reyes. They make the team too much money compared to their salary.
DnD, that’s what I mean…will Beltran, who presumably will still be an able, if not as spectacular star, CF, take less than his last contract? He’s pretty proud. I can’t imagine the mets paying 17 mil for a closer, unless as you suggest he’s flawless over the next three.
TRS,
then my last post on this subject will be:
If that trade ain’t startin’ then I’ll be departin’…
…this topic, since it was a ‘what if’ that has run it’s course. On to the next thread!
The only deal that makes sense for Reyes is straight up for Halladay.
Any other deal would be a stop gap veteran shortstop type like O Cabrera which would lead to a revolving door at the position after a year or two and young pitching that you hope would bloom.
Omar is not going to trade a top 3 elite shortstop and leadoff man who is loved in NY for even the slightest hint of a ?
Its either a sure ELITE player at another position or nothing at all.
I think Soriano for ARod qualifies despite the financial motivation.
NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO…..lets get back to insulting talk show hosts, its a more rational discussion than Reyes getting traded.
Francesa is a moron he thinks reyes runs the bases like an idiot because of one play where he tries stretchin a double into a triple. so shoot him for making a mistake. he’s still going to be an unbelievable player in the entire majors, he already is, if you give him time. look at his talent, you cannot trade a talent like Reyes
Let’s see if Reyes’ talent disappears this September like it did in 2007 & 2008.
Joe R – no probably something more like this
Plus RandyTate… I dont know how that conversation between Reyes and manuel would have went.
manuel: Why did you run to third when the ball was in front of you?
Reyes: I really thought I could make it, but my calf and it slowed me down.
Manuel: You think it was smart to be running?
Reyes: If my calf wasn’t bothering me, I think I had a shot.
Manuel: Wow. Ok. Well maybe you should take a day to rest up.
Reyes: (Rolls eyes). Whatever.
Manuel: Don’t take that tone with me, go to your room!
Reyes: I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I want to live with mom!
Joe R: Ok, that last part I made up.