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News: Reyes has a torn Hamtsring

By Matthew Cerrone on Jun 04, 2009, 8:12 pm

Jose Reyes has a tear in his right hamstring tendon,” reports SNY’s Kevin Burkhardt on Twitter.

Reyes will rest for the next two days, then be reevaluated.

…from what i can gather, it is a slight tear in his right hamstring, and it’s quite likely he is out through the All Star break, and probably longer than thatwhat’s worse, it appears he did this, separate from the calf issue, during the extended spring training game

…however, at this point, i think i’m done believing anything the Mets say when it comes to injuries… sad, but truei think the new plan is to just wait for the lineup to be posted, and hope everyone is still alive

…un… be… lievable… i mean, what else is there to say

Update, 9:50 pm:

The official statement from the Mets reads:

“Jose Reyes today was examined by the Mets team physician… and subsequently underwent an MRI… The MRI revealed a small tear in his right hamstring, a new injury.  Reyes will rest for two days and then resume treatment.”

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  1. JefJarrett
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #

    Well, there is no way this is a short term thing for Reyes.

    Frankly it doesn’t matter if it is a new injury, or old one.

    And does anyone believe anything the Mets say anymore in regards to injuries?

    • noyha
      Jun 04, 2009, 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #

      I don’t believe the Mets anymore what they say. All I can say is unbelievable. I was a huge Omar supporter. Now I am not sure that I can…

  2. KL15
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #

    GREAT!!! Anyone else get the idea that the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing with this team? Wasn’t Jerry Manuel saying he was sure that Reyes would be back by the Phillies series? For crying out loud, what else can go wrong?

  3. budbernie
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #

    I don’t know if I want to laugh or cry…seriously…why does it continue to happen to us?!?!?

  4. wright5murph28
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #

    i think the mets can get by with cora at SS…but now i dont think they can depend on Sheff for much longer…hes already banged up/breaking down…omar better seriously consider Holliday or a top notch SP cause i dont think this offense is good enough to beat out the phils..and maybe even the braves now…

    • Patrick
      Jun 05, 2009, 8:11 am at 8:11 am #

      I think that is a stretch. The Mets need to assume especially with Delgado out that in the most rosey scenario they only get one back.

  5. havery
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #

    I just threw up. And can the Mets learn how to dela with an injury, damn if they would just let him rest and put him on the DL right away and get treatement instead of trying to rush him back, maybe he plays by 6/15 instead of what will probably be 8/1. I really do feel sick. Does anyone belive we can beat the Phils and Braves with no putz, no Reyes, and no Delgado?

    • wright5murph28
      Jun 04, 2009, 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #

      havery, i really think omar has to make a deal for a legit hitter now, no more emil browns, Holliday or Lee and id prefer holliday because hes more of a gaps hitter then Lee and that will work more efficiently at citi. The problem is do u offer fmart for holliday…i dont know…id try to get him without giving up fmart but if omar doesnt get a guy like holliday or oswalt…i dont think this team can make the playoffs..

      • Hit The Weights Zeile
        Jun 04, 2009, 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #

        you could go for a major block buster of Carlos Lee and Tejada. Tejada is actually hitting really well and at least can play SS well enough. If you take both players salaries you could probably get them for next to nothing bc they are making a boatload combined. Of course the Wilpons will not go for this and Omar lacks the ability to think of a trade that he hasnt heard rumbles of on MLBtraderumors.

      • KL15
        Jun 04, 2009, 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #

        Well everyone, I would like the Mets to take this opportunity to shed this team. I’m not saying any of this “break up the core” nonsense, but Omar Minaya doesn’t need to have a knee jerk reaction and trade the farm. As a matter of fact, if it’s all over for this year (Reyes out for long strech or possibly the season) then why not put some of the players on the block? The New York Mets are badly in need of a front office rebuild and a on field re-tool at the least. This would be a good time to consider doing that.

  6. Backstop
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #

    “Turn out the lights the party’s over,
    They say that all good things must end,
    Let’s call it a night the party’s over
    and tomorrow starts the same old thing again”

    ….hat-tip to Willie Nelson

  7. KickedintheMetsiclesAgain
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #

    Wow, that could be a season ending injury.

    As for the Mets making a move. Such move better not be short sided and specific to a 2009 run. There are too many whole to waste what farm we have to make such a move.

    If a move is made it better be for the long term, with a focus on 2010 and beyond. With a focus on Putz and Wagner being gone, with Delgado perhaps being gone and not resigned.

    Some times you just have to foldem and walk away, so that you can come back stronger another day. I understand that Beltran is having a great season and this in the inaugral year at Citi Field, but as a Mets fan, I prefer sustained improvement and quality play.

    Blowing the farm on a quick fix is a mistake with so much in question.

    • Backstop
      Jun 04, 2009, 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #

      Well said Kicked. This is probably the correct course of action. Don’t wave a white flag, but you can’t give up the farm to fix all the current holes.

      • The Stache
        Jun 04, 2009, 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #

        Absolutely agree.

        Why is everyone so willing to trade anything for Holliday?

        1. Beane will fleece you
        2. Young controllable players are now the future of baseball.
        3. Holliday will be a free agent, and is purely a rental. The Mets will most likely need to sign 2 OF next year, but only one if F-Mart is the real deal. The savings could lead to another pitching acquisition. Sorry for the the tangent, but Holliday is a Boras client who will undoubtedly go to market and will not sign an extension ala Santana.

        F-Mart for Holliday is a stupid, win now, narrowminded move. Not to mention F-Mart is only the starting point.

  8. Mets5rocks
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #

    If Reyes has a tear in his hamstring the Mets will be lucky to see him by August. He really strugled healing from it last time, and it is most definetly not something that Reyes can play at 80% or even 90%! Sadly I don’t think this is a seperate injury at all, I think when he came off the field in his last big league game it was torn then just by the way he walked in the dugout. This could not have come at a worse time for the mets! I dunno if this developement speeds up the trade thoughts on Omar’s mind but it has to have him thinking.

  9. KL15
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #

    If Jose Reyes is out for the season, I don’t like the idea of making a move. I agree with KickedintheMetsiclesAgain it’s time to just let it all wash and start over.

  10. Backstop
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #

    I know the Mets are telling Burkhardt that this is a new injury and all, but you have to wonder if this has its seeds in then trying to rush him back while they were in LA.

    Instead of doing the right thing a shutting down their franchise SS, who has a long history of these injuries, until he was ready to go, they panicked after a couple of losses, rushed him out there, and 3 innings later, he was back to square one. Then, 2 weeks later, after a couple of rehab games, he tears the damn thing. You have to wonder if this could have been avoided by careful handling of a original injury.

    At this point, the Mets training staff has become so unreliable that your forced to wonder how their handling of this has affected the outcome.

    • dulcetpine
      Jun 05, 2009, 8:33 am at 8:33 am #

      true enough. i bet reyes didn’t help the situation being a competitor and wanting to play… now having been separated a few years from his hamstring troubles, he may have had a bit of extra confidence that those times were behind him…

  11. cousinrk
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #

    This just in…God hates the Mets.

    I agree with Kicked…I’d like for them to make a move but I really don’t want to see them deplete the farm system for a player that might not make enough of a difference at this point.

    Right now they have 3 capable starters, and if they have no short and no 1st, and no right or left fielder, what one player is going to make that much of a difference? they don’t have enough to get 2 players and right now they probably need 3 players to compete. I’m not saying give up but I just don’t think giving up F-mart or Holt or Neise or Havens etc…is going to help the team right now

  12. Hit The Weights Zeile
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #

    The medical staff is a joke they cant diagnose injuries and then that causes more injuries. I just hope omar doesnt go trading everyone under 27 to get a bunch of band aids for the bullet wounds and not only ruin this year but the next 3-5 years. We may just have to accept that this just isnt our year and not go trading off guys like holt/parnell/fmart/niese for a guy like aubrey huff who in the long run wont do much. SI curse rears its ugly head, when is NFL Kickoff?

    • appleinahat
      Jun 05, 2009, 8:30 am at 8:30 am #

      I’ve always ignored it when people put blame on the medical staff, but now I’m convinced. How can they possibly misdiagnose so many injuries?!?! They have to fix that, not only does it hurt the team, but the Mets look so unprofessional when it comes to diagnosing injuries and predicting return time-tables for players.

  13. havery
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #

    I agree with everyone above, there are too many hooes to plug and we need to start thinking long-term. The time to address some of the holes was in the off-seaosn when all we did was get some bullpen help. We had more holes than the bullpen and they were ignored. I can’t see this team making the playoffs as current constituted and one player wont change that. Time to try to play winning baseball with an eye on 2010 and hopefully they can scrap their way to the playoffs this year which would be a bonus.

    • Hit The Weights Zeile
      Jun 04, 2009, 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #

      100% agree, the intelligent thing to do is come back guns blazing next year with reyes, hudson, beltran, holliday, wright, fmart, murphy, catcher…a guy can dream

      • The Stache
        Jun 04, 2009, 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #

        The Mets need to try move Castillo in the offseason and pursue Hudson.

        I wonder if Felipe Lopez is available.

        I am not sure if the White Sox have any interest, but I sincerely hope Minaya can hook up with Kenny Williams to deal Church and maybe another replacable piece for something of value even if it is in the farm.

        Church is a cheap ($3M arb) CF. Church value is as a CF, where his bat looks much better than a RF.

  14. KickedintheMetsiclesAgain
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #

    Dr. Altchek and Hospital of Special Surgery is top notch. I went there for my torn rotator cuff.

    That being said, how many MRIs has Reyes had since his original injury. This is the first time they find a tear? Who is performing these tests?

    • havery
      Jun 04, 2009, 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #

      Some tears can be hard to detect. I probably have a slight tear in my shoulder labrum as it has been no more than 80% in the last year after 6 months of PT but my MRI’s don’t show anything. Sometimes you can’t see small tears until you actually go in and operate.

  15. adenzeno
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #

    THis recent iteration of the Mets has a sad history of poor medical decisions-This lies TOTALLY at the door of the owners, as they should be the ones to hire qualified Drs, AND at Omar’s door as he needs to quit trying to win games wi 24 and 23 man rosters. Absurd, totally absurd.

  16. slambam13
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #

    This… is… terrible… We have no real options at shortstop, Cora is a nice player but not someone i I want starting at shortstop for a winning team, some people are reallllly going to have to step it up.

  17. Hit The Weights Zeile
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #

    trade for Carlos Lee and Miguel Tejada, granted they are combined making over 30 million dollars this year but bc of that you could get them for next to nothing.

    • The Stache
      Jun 04, 2009, 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #

      I still don’t think McLane will sell off pieces.

      • Hit The Weights Zeile
        Jun 04, 2009, 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #

        sadly youre probably right the guy has major sentimental issues but it honestly would be the smart thing to do bc right now they are the 5th best team in their division and heading south in the long term.

  18. slambam13
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #

    How about trading for Bobby Crosby? He souldnt cost that much and would be a solid fix there until he gets back

    • The Stache
      Jun 04, 2009, 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #

      Crosby is AWFUL. He has a career OPS of .683. Since 2006, it has been .635.

      You know who else has a career OPS in the .680s?

      (drumroll)

      Ramon Martinez.

  19. Joe Bacci
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #

    game over.

    I hate to say it but i think this season is done. I agree that any moves made this season should be geared towards next year.

    • KL15
      Jun 04, 2009, 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #

      Joe I agree, time to start thinking long term. This season was a bit of a risk anyway with the age on the roster. I don’t begrudge the front office that because if it works they all look like geniuses. But it didn’t and it is what it is.

  20. NYCESQ
    Jun 04, 2009, 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #

    This is a tremendous blow to the team. If I were the Mets, I would have made a move prior to letting this news get out. Now, any team we attempt to trade with will smell the desperation.

    Tis a sad day for Mets fans.

  21. MainStMets23
    Jun 04, 2009, 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #

    After last season when we pretty much had all of our core guys healthy and playing upwards of 150 games apiece, we were due for a season where we had to deal with major blows to important players. My biggest hope is that Beltran and Wright can keep the ship afloat long enough for the injured guys to come back in August and maybe have enough left to make a push for the NL East or the Wild Card, after all this is the NL were talking about, anything is possible, if the Metsises can blow a 7 game lead with 17 to play, they can surely wether this storm!!! LETS GO METS!!!

  22. havery
    Jun 04, 2009, 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #

    Is anyone else worried that Omar gets let off the hook for not addressing the offense in the offseason? Now he can say injuries did us in.

    • The Stache
      Jun 04, 2009, 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #

      I am, not signing Hudson, Dunn, or Abreu was a huge mistake.

      Dunn and Abreu are very healthy productive players year in and year out.

      • Patrick
        Jun 05, 2009, 8:14 am at 8:14 am #

        Dunn and Abreu are LOSING ball players that accumulate stats. I can understand Hudson but he was unable to unload Castillo.

        • The Stache
          Jun 05, 2009, 9:37 am at 9:37 am #

          Losing players?

          This team wanted to commit big money to an erratic pitcher, but refused to give similar money to a…oh forget it. If you honestly think players are winners or losers, it isn’t worth posting stats about perennial .400 OBP players.

          Do you or Mike Francessa honestly think Jeter would have been very highly regarded if he played on the Pirates? Would his leadership have willed the 16 straight losing season Pirates to a championship? Maybe Dunn should pitch instead of Matt Belisle or Daniel Cabrera. Maybe Abreu should have threw more scoreless innings than Wang or Joba. Hell, maybe we can audition Dunn for the new Nats closer.

          I think if we got Eckstein last year, he would have willed the bullpen to be something slightly greater than absolute rubbish. His winning player attitude would have put us over the top. The bullpen would have been motivated to succeed just because they had David Eckstein on the team.

  23. stickguy
    Jun 04, 2009, 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #

    this is the wrong time to try an dmake the “big deal” to slavage the season. Unlikely 1 guy can do it anyway, and you quite possibly tank the next 2-3 years. Not worth it.

    Play with what you got, try to add a couple of cheap plug-ns (take on salary to save prospects), and just hope what yo ugot can get the job done.

    If you miss the playoffs, join the other 23 teams that also missed and rebuild for 2010.

  24. Nicky Noodles
    Jun 04, 2009, 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #

    I get what everyone is saying about going after Lee, and it makes sense. But, why Tejada? Yes, aside from the obvious but I believe Cora can do the job, and do it well. We’re in need of another bat but we don’t need Tejada.

    If we are looking at Lee, why not offer up a package deal for both Lee and Oswalt? I’m not saying it wouldn’t cost us but, if we’re getting two players it’s best we get a bat and an arm; not two bats.

  25. metsnfinsfan
    Jun 04, 2009, 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #

    standing pat at the deadline is unacceptable

    either buy or sell

    sell would probably be the right thing to do, but omar cannot afford to do that.

    But this team may not be good enough to win when healthy .. they surely arent as shorthanded as we are

    • Nicky Noodles
      Jun 04, 2009, 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #

      If Omar were to sell, which he would never do, this would be his last year as the Mets GM. As it is, we’re not that many games back.

      But man, injuries are killing us!

      • metsnfinsfan
        Jun 04, 2009, 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #

        “If Omar were to sell, which he would never do, this would be his last year as the Mets GM. ”

        agree

        he should, but that is why i said “he cannot afford to do that” because it would cost him his job

        • stickguy
          Jun 04, 2009, 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #

          I disagree. Just a myth that NY fans will riot in the streets if they don’t go all “win now” every year.

          If injuries take the team out of the running, I, like many other fans, would certainly support getting rid of some expiring excess to re-stock with pieces to make the team better in 2010+.

          Problem with selling though is, what does he sell? Only can be guys that are not going to be part of the future anyway.

          So what does that leave? Sheff, Livan, Castillo (yeah, I wish on that one!), Delgado if he came back, Schneider?

          You really think the fans would storm Omar’s office if he traded any of those guys for a potentially useful prospect?

          • havery
            Jun 04, 2009, 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #

            Sell Ollie for anything, just get someone to take the last two years of the contract, we will pay for this year. LOL, wishful thinking.

  26. MetFanInCali
    Jun 04, 2009, 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #

    “That’s a uh, that’s a bummer, man.”
    -The Dude

    I don’t even know where to start. My head is swimming. Hitting and pitching coaches are accountable for struggles in those areas. Where is the accountability of the trainers/front office? This type of thing has happened too many times.

    JR is obviously a huge loss, but it seems like he will be back for the second half, right? RIGHT?? Therefore, I’m not ready to write off the season just yet. I don’t feel like speculating on moves right now, but I still think pitching should be the priority. If everyone else gets back and stays healthy, the offense should be alright.

  27. docsconz
    Jun 04, 2009, 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #

    They should give themselves to July before making any moves unless they have an offer that they can’t refuse. Once July comes they should determine whether they are buyers or more likely sellers, but what do they have to sell of any value? They could conceivably trade Beltran, but they could still use him for next year. Church? Schneider? They wouldn’t net much.

  28. metsfan1
    Jun 04, 2009, 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #

    This is not a new injury. The hamstring extend behind the knee. The Mets kept saying it was just tendinitis but we all know he had pulled his hamstring. No one with tendinitis is out for as long as he has been. A hamstring pull/tear would do that. Once again, the cracked medical staff and front office have screwed up. The obviously feel with a new park and 2 straight collapses that they need to win. Under normal circumstances I would agree but you do not rush your key players back to win.

    As far as going forward, the season is OVER. Lets all keep calm and look to unload some players that other teams may want. Schneider and Murphy are possibilities. I would also throw Tatis and possibly Cora into the mix. I would have also included Putz but he appears to be on the way to the surgeon. I would love to be aggressive and get a top pitcher but we are missing so many key offensive players, it is hard to imagine Beltran and Wright carrying this team for 2 months until Reyes and Delgado come back. I would even look to possibly unload Delgado when he comes back. A AL team that wants a 1B/DH could do worse and it could help the Mets restock the farm.

    This season reminds me of 1987 when guys went down like flies and no matter who was etting healthy someone else would always drop. I just hope Omar doesn’t do something stupid and trade the remaining prospects for a rental player just to keep us in the race like we did for Victor Zambrano. I would rather take the hit now and have millions to spend next year on fixing the team after Wagner, Putz and Delgado are gone.

  29. BullpenHelp
    Jun 04, 2009, 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #

    Time for a little realism here.

    With these long term injuries, the Mets should play with an eye toward the future.

    Fernando Martinez should play EVERY DAY is left field. Let’s find out if he’s the real deal.

    Gary Sheffield and Ryan Church should platoon in LF when Church comes back, giving Sheffield plenty of rest.

    Daniel Murphy should be our primary first baseman until (if?) Delgado returns. We have to find out if he can be a major league player.

    Fernando Tatis can spell Murphy at first against tough lefties… but Tatis is a bench player.

    Cora will be our SS and we have to accept that.

    If Omar makes a trade… it should ONLY be for starting pitching or perhaps someone to fill Putz’s 8th inning role. We can win with pitching. Let’s get Johan some help along with Pelf and Maine with Livan.

    • The Stache
      Jun 04, 2009, 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #

      Totally Agree on every point.

    • havery
      Jun 04, 2009, 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #

      Why play Sheffield in a platoon with Church? Play Church everyday to see how he does, if he excels keep him or it will increase his trade value. I would trade Sheff if he is looking good to a contender that needs an extra occasional bat, though I realze we wouldn’t get much for him, well nevermind, he doesn’t even make anything so no reaosn to even trade him for nothing, but I would play Church everyday and see what he is.

    • metsfan1
      Jun 04, 2009, 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #

      Agreed. If the Mets are going to make a splash it should be for a front line starter like Oswalt, Halliday or Peavy. That type of pitcher paired with Santana, Pelfrey and Maine makes the Mets (when healthy) a dangerous team whether this year or next. The Mets will have plenty of $$$ to throw at bats in the off–season once Putz, Delgado and Wagner come off of the payroll.

  30. METSCITI
    Jun 04, 2009, 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #

    Heres a question: Name one MLB team that has had a worse week in early June in the history of the game….
    Swept by the Pirates
    Mcclouth to the Braves
    Putz and Reyes done for a good amount of time

  31. ericloz
    Jun 04, 2009, 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #

    Can some of you guys on the ‘ledge” jump already and make room for the others.

    Maybe you can all dress up like lemmings and all just jump off together.

    The season isn’t over yet. There is still time for a mid season push.

    Reyes, Delgado, trade, and Putz healthy can combine for a potent post ASB team.

    Unlike some fans, Omar isn’t pushing the panic button just yet (@ least I hope he isn’t).

    let’s see how this plays out and hope that the minor tear is just that, “minor”. Reyes isn’t injury prone and will be back when he’s healthy.

    • Backstop
      Jun 05, 2009, 12:40 am at 12:40 am #

      The issue has become that no one believes this team’s training staff when they say an injury is “minor”. This injury, back when it was tendinitis, was a day-to-day injury. That DTD has turned into a “minor” hammy tear that will have him, in their words, out until the Break.

      Why should we believe that a hammy tear on a player who relies on his legs and has a history of hammy issues is (A) minor and (B) will only keep him out until the Break? Additional, why should we have any faith in their ability to manage this issue for the balance if he does come back this season?

    • havery
      Jun 05, 2009, 8:26 am at 8:26 am #

      I think most peoiple think we are a borderline playoff team fully healthy so when you take away Delgado, Reyes, Putz, and Perez and combine that with not much from Church, Murphy, and no power from Wright, how can you possibly think this could be a playoff team. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Mets and desperately would like to see them in the playoffs, but it is great if that happens, but how could anyone think that is realistic? I am not giving up, will still watch every game and root like hell but my expectations arte realistic and right now my expectations are the Phillies win the division and we battle the Braves for 2nd place. Maybe this could be the year a weak wild card team could get in and that could be us.

    • KL15
      Jun 05, 2009, 10:10 am at 10:10 am #

      ericloz I admire the optimism. And yes I think all of us should get some of that from time to time. I think I can speak for most on here when I say we simply don’t want to mortgage the future to try to stay in a division race when there may be too many holes to fill. There isn’t much on the free agent market at the end of this season, and what prospects are there most of us would rather hang on to. We’re all fans and we all want this team to win. More than that, I think we all want a championship.

  32. ravi3
    Jun 04, 2009, 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #

    I’ve given them the benefit of the doubt lately, but it is time for this training staff to be axed…They have mishandled pretty much every single injury over the past few years, and this one is inexcusable.

  33. thedude
    Jun 04, 2009, 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #

    This organization needs a fresh start. It won’t happen, but Minaya needs to go and the Wilpons need to bring in someone like Ben Cherington or Jed Hoyer from the Red Sox. Young, statistically minded guys (for lack of a better term) who understand how to build a team with resources in a high-pressure situation.

    No more giving away 1st-round picks for Moises Alou or relying on ancient Delgado. No more re-signing Ollie instead of taking the draft picks.

    We need to get younger and develop our own talent. Omar hasn’t realized the 90′s are over and you can’t rely on aging sluggers and free agency to build a team any more.

  34. dykstraw
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:11 am at 12:11 am #

    listen, guys, this team just isn’t very good. we came in with four legit offensive threats in reyes, wright, beltran, and delgado and two are out for the foreseeable future. we can’t score runs, our starters are weak behind santana and our bullpen is starting to unravel. this isn’t going to be our year.

    i’m afraid of what omar will do with his back against the wall next month. fortunately he has little on the farm to fritter away.

    • MetsRmilife
      Jun 05, 2009, 12:38 am at 12:38 am #

      I would never underestimate any GM’s ability to butcher a farm system…especially in a back to the wall scenario such as this one.

      Am I the only one who is willing to give Omar a pass? Depth is one thing, but back ups to back ups, you can’t plan for that and to do so is also a bad way to build a winning team

  35. nyj0126
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:17 am at 12:17 am #

    Although I would have liked to seen it otherwise, and tried being optomistic, I knew this was a possibility. Reyes is anxious. He tried over doing it. This is very upsetting. With the Phillies on pace to winning 16 of 20, and the Mets giving away loads of tight games (two Putz blown saves, Church not stepping on third, Feliciano balk followed by Church error at first Citi Field game, ect.). It’s not just the way how Matt feels, nor myself. Whether it’s the way how injuries are reported or how a manager is fired, it’s really becoming disgraceful.

  36. nyj0126
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:19 am at 12:19 am #

    What hurts is that I know Omar Minaya is extremely timid during the season. You could lose all Wright, Beltran, Delgado and Reyes, and he wouldn’t make a trade until mid-July for someone like Jack Wilson to try and replace all of that. Without Delgado and Reyes for an extended period of time, we’re done. It’s simple as that. We can’t hold up with the Phillies. Maybe an outside chance at the Wild Card, at best.

  37. nyj0126
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:21 am at 12:21 am #

    I wouldn’t say the bullpen is starting to unravel. Personally, if they’re going to have one bad day, let it be when everyone’s not doing well. For the most part, it’s been very good. I wouldn’t deny that Green and Takahashi are the weak links of that bunch though. Plus, Putz is pitching subpar. The other four have been great though. Outside of Johan, we got two average 3 or good 4 starter’s, a back of the rotation innings eater and a batting practice pitcher. It’s enough to keep you in the race, but not to bring you over the hump.

  38. nyj0126
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:22 am at 12:22 am #

    It’s just so frustrating because as a Mets fan, you know you’re not on the same page with the organization. It becomes even worse when you see everything your team isn’t is what the Phillies are. What makes it even more worthless is the fact such trashy fans get to celebrate that, knowing they’ll forget the Phillies ever existed once they go below .500.

  39. nyj0126
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:23 am at 12:23 am #

    It just might be time for Minaya to go. It’s not even that he hasn’t done his best piecing this team together, but it’s just that we need something different. We need a new style. We need a new manager. A new image. We’re known as a bunch of cowards and that’s all the Mets have been since ’07.

  40. nyj0126
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:26 am at 12:26 am #

    Omar doesn’t need to make any moves right now. Clearly though, if we’re still in it, coming the deadline, we need to make moves. We need to upgrade where we’re weak. We need more offensive production. We need another good starter. Just like Jerry said earlier though, we need to have a good feel going into games. We just don’t have that. I mean, come on, we got swept by the Pirates. Yeah, yeah, the stomach bug. That’s nice. Still, it’s the Pirates. The Mets will bounce back. Who better than the Nats to do so? I just thought we would have gotten back Reyes and Church going into Tuesday, after getting back Beltran and Cora today. I thought Delgado and Perez* (do we want him back?) would have been the only major injuries…

  41. fortleemets
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:33 am at 12:33 am #

    Someone MUST be fired. I’m sure the tear was there this whole time. Lets not forget, the Mets were completely ok with going with the diagnoses of the Giants and Dodgers’ doctors when they were on the west coast trip. Think about that for a moment.

  42. MetsRmilife
    Jun 05, 2009, 12:34 am at 12:34 am #

    On the plus side, we likely won’t lose the season on the last day this year. On the down side, it might be mid-august….

  43. izzyAmet
    Jun 05, 2009, 8:30 am at 8:30 am #

    1. Fire the whole medical and training staff.
    2. Trade for Lee.
    3. Go to church and ask God what have we done to deserve all these injuries.
    4. Let F-Mart play everyday.

  44. Metsfan8291
    Jun 05, 2009, 8:31 am at 8:31 am #

    the injuries keep adding up. If we can survive now, maybe we won’t collapse in september. Then again, maybe the collapse is coming early this year?

  45. dulcetpine
    Jun 05, 2009, 8:34 am at 8:34 am #

    Is Mike Bordick available?

  46. Peter
    Jun 05, 2009, 8:38 am at 8:38 am #

    I know everyone is rending their clothes and throwing themselves off of rooftops, but this thing isn’t over.

    Look at what happened to this team and the winning they did in May when they were decimated with injuries . . . players stepped up. I know, some of the players that stepped up have now gotten injured as well, but sometimes the fire added by fringe players ignites the rest of the team.

    Let’s get Malo up here, he played real well in spring training. Let’s see how he plays with an opportunity.

    I’m figuring Delgado is gone for the year (my HSS birdie says he’s great on the bike but still looking bad on crutches) but Reyes should be back over the summer.

    Let’s let Beltran run the show and lead the kids. Maybe instead of posing and pumping with style we’ll get a little scrappy. The lineup may not look pretty, but we may like the team more.

    All’s not over . . .

  47. Agee's Catch
    Jun 05, 2009, 8:49 am at 8:49 am #

    It’s easy to replace one or two players, but expecting Omar to replace more than that is sacrificing the farm.

    I can say fire sale because my job isn’t on the line.

    There are players I would like to see a lot more of: Murphy full time at 1B, Thole behind the plate, FMart, Neise, Broadway.

    I wonder if trading Beltran isn’t the worst move we could make. if one player could bring a bounty of prospects, it would be Carlos, and after Pittsburgh, he might be open to it

    • Patrick
      Jun 05, 2009, 9:20 am at 9:20 am #

      Tell me the team that needs the CF that has prospects to match?

      I agree it is team to just see what Murphy and Martinez has, but Thole is not ready, Niese is all screwed up right now and Broadway was not a move of the future.

  48. Patrick
    Jun 05, 2009, 9:18 am at 9:18 am #

    Listen a lot of Mets fans wanted to blow up the core, well in a weird way they have their wish and if you were breaking the core you were almost never gettting a significant equal value back for anything but MAYBE Reyes as his salary is moderate.

    Beltran, Delgado and Wright would most certainly be contracts for prospect deals in this day and age.

    So you have half your core gone, it can be argued whether this is the exact slice of how you would want to go down, but time to see the core-less Mets and see if you can “stomach” it.

  49. Beltranmynewfavmet
    Jun 05, 2009, 9:19 am at 9:19 am #

    The Mets need a new medical team fast, and Omar and Jerry need to stop covering for them (or making their own diagnoses). Everybody outside the organization new Reyes shouldn’t have been playing games yet, but they let him play and now he’s out long-term. Ridiculous.

    I’m starting to think a new management team is necessary for us to turn things around. Omar Minaya, while extremely good at signing star players, has proven a lack of ability to manage the Mets roster, and a lack of ability to successfully handle injuries. Jerry can only do so much after Omar handcuffs this team again and again and again

  50. Jolting Joe
    Jun 05, 2009, 9:49 am at 9:49 am #

    As a Mets fan since 1962, I guess I’m a bit less pessimistic than many others here. We’ve all seen teams turn it around the last few months of the season. The Phillies seemed totally out of it 2 seasons ago and even last year, and look what they did in Sept. And who knows what injuries might plague them as this season goes on?

    Reyes could come back in July/August and go crazy. Even Delgado could return healthy. Then there’s the wild card possibility. The only thing long-time fans know for sure is that baseball always holds surprises.

  51. havery
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #

    Did I violate a policy? Why am I back in “awaiting moderation”. Sorry.

  52. havery
    Jun 04, 2009, 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #

    Guess maybe my language was a little off color and comment ws blocked, you guys couldn’t see it. Now I know.