Comments on: Buzz: Teams Not Yet Ready to Give Up http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: realmet http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566928 realmet Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:59:27 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566928 Almost everybody on here agrees that Murphy is not the answer. In my opinion neither are Church or Schneider. Changes have to happen sooner rather than later. I think Church stil has some value in a package deal. I would like to get Dunn or Carlos Lee if we could. I know about their defensive shortcomings, but right now we're weak on defense and still have no power anyway. Almost everybody on here agrees that Murphy is not the answer. In my opinion neither are Church or Schneider. Changes have to happen sooner rather than later. I think Church stil has some value in a package deal. I would like to get Dunn or Carlos Lee if we could. I know about their defensive shortcomings, but right now we’re weak on defense and still have no power anyway.

]]> By: Peter http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566865 Peter Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:51:52 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566865 If the Met's are going to move quality for a guy like Holliday, I say change gears and try and pry a guy like Carl Crawford away from the Rays. Granted, it may be a tall order, but I had heard rumblings in the offseason about their outfield glut. How do we fit? I'm not sure, F-Mart would judt be more glut . . . but we did swing a deal for Johan. Perhaps the Rays would like Niese, Murphy and two of the lower minors high upside guys? With this park, I love the idea of Reyes and Crawford scamping around the bases, with Wright and Beltran following them. In fact, based on that, Murphy may be a decent fit at first . . . Crawford Castillo Reyes Beltran Wright Church Murphy Santos That's speed and gap power. If the Met’s are going to move quality for a guy like Holliday, I say change gears and try and pry a guy like Carl Crawford away from the Rays.

Granted, it may be a tall order, but I had heard rumblings in the offseason about their outfield glut. How do we fit? I’m not sure, F-Mart would judt be more glut . . . but we did swing a deal for Johan. Perhaps the Rays would like Niese, Murphy and two of the lower minors high upside guys?

With this park, I love the idea of Reyes and Crawford scamping around the bases, with Wright and Beltran following them. In fact, based on that, Murphy may be a decent fit at first . . .

Crawford
Castillo
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Church
Murphy
Santos

That’s speed and gap power.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566861 Patrick Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:29:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566861 Fear and power are entirely subjective elements that fans project into a situation that rarely if ever impact the way players actually attack a situation. Is Holliday a hitter than might cause a pitcher more concern than Johnson, perhaps, but so is Alex Rodriquez or Mark Tiexera the same to Holliday times 2. The bigger problem with Johnson is he a disabled list visit waiting to happen, which is not a solution the Mets can afford. Fear and power are entirely subjective elements that fans project into a situation that rarely if ever impact the way players actually attack a situation.

Is Holliday a hitter than might cause a pitcher more concern than Johnson, perhaps, but so is Alex Rodriquez or Mark Tiexera the same to Holliday times 2.

The bigger problem with Johnson is he a disabled list visit waiting to happen, which is not a solution the Mets can afford.

]]> By: wright5murph28 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566859 wright5murph28 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:20:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566859 If the mets get a bat..its gunna be a big power bat...like a holliday...nick johnson doesnt help very much..adding nick johnson gives u a guy with 1 more HR then murphy..and hes not a feared hitter so u wont be upgrading much If the mets get a bat..its gunna be a big power bat…like a holliday…nick johnson doesnt help very much..adding nick johnson gives u a guy with 1 more HR then murphy..and hes not a feared hitter so u wont be upgrading much

]]> By: McNulty http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566855 McNulty Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:59:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566855 I agree with you on Nick Johnson. Why should we expect Delgado to be back when Brett Myers has the same injury and is out for the season. I agree with you on Nick Johnson. Why should we expect Delgado to be back when Brett Myers has the same injury and is out for the season.

]]> By: dwright5_godsend http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566854 dwright5_godsend Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:58:37 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566854 Just say no to Todd Helton...this team does not need any more old guys with HUGE contracts. Just say no to Todd Helton…this team does not need any more old guys with HUGE contracts.

]]> By: McNulty http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566853 McNulty Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:58:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566853 What exactly is that one tool that Murphy has? He is currently hitting .247 with 4 homers. He proved that he couldn't play LF and has 1 stolen base. The Mets organization made a huge mistake with this guy. It reminds me of when Victor Diaz had a huge September and people were calling him the next Manny Rameriez. What exactly is that one tool that Murphy has? He is currently hitting .247 with 4 homers. He proved that he couldn’t play LF and has 1 stolen base.

The Mets organization made a huge mistake with this guy. It reminds me of when Victor Diaz had a huge September and people were calling him the next Manny Rameriez.

]]> By: dwright5_godsend http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566852 dwright5_godsend Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:57:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566852 I agree with all of your points, and I too think they should package Murphy to a small-market team because he just does not fit here. An interesting note on Putz, though, is that he has a club option for $8.5 million with a $1 million buyout for 2010...do you re-sign him and hope he becomes the lights-out reliever he really is, or do you let him walk and take the compensatory draft picks? Tough decision, but I think most of it depends on how Eddie Kunz develops. Right now he is not doing to good, and because the bullpen has been the Mets' achilles heel in the past, I think Omar might exercise that option... I agree with all of your points, and I too think they should package Murphy to a small-market team because he just does not fit here.

An interesting note on Putz, though, is that he has a club option for $8.5 million with a $1 million buyout for 2010…do you re-sign him and hope he becomes the lights-out reliever he really is, or do you let him walk and take the compensatory draft picks?

Tough decision, but I think most of it depends on how Eddie Kunz develops. Right now he is not doing to good, and because the bullpen has been the Mets’ achilles heel in the past, I think Omar might exercise that option…

]]> By: Zabado http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566849 Zabado Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:49:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566849 Speed, defense, and pitching -- these have been the hallmarks of the most successful Mets teams, and should be our focus now. Murphy's a gamer, and a fine hitting prospect, but he's a one-tool player. He should be in the minors learning to play a position, or he should be packaged in a deal. Dunn doesn't fit, but Nick Johnson does. I think we need to take a good look at obtaining him now. We can't bank on Delgado. Beyond that, you're patient, waiting for the injured to return, and you explore what can happen re: adding pitching and an outfielder as things become more clear. Speed, defense, and pitching — these have been the hallmarks of the most successful Mets teams, and should be our focus now.

Murphy’s a gamer, and a fine hitting prospect, but he’s a one-tool player. He should be in the minors learning to play a position, or he should be packaged in a deal.

Dunn doesn’t fit, but Nick Johnson does. I think we need to take a good look at obtaining him now. We can’t bank on Delgado.

Beyond that, you’re patient, waiting for the injured to return, and you explore what can happen re: adding pitching and an outfielder as things become more clear.

]]> By: metsfan1 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566846 metsfan1 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:47:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/09/buzz-teams-not-yet-ready-to-give-up/#comment-566846 I am willing to ride out the storm and see how we do. The only trade I would make where I would give up the remaining prospects (including Murphy) would be for a top notch starter (Halliday, Oswalt, Peavy). Otherwise, hold onto the prospects. I have said it numerous times recently but we will be losing Delgado, Putz, Wagner off of the pay roll. That right there is about 30 million. Putz has a 9 million dollar option with a 1 million buyout. Buy him out. We do not need a 9 million dollar setup man. I feel there is a strong possibility we will be looking to move Church and possibly Schneider if not at season's end then at the deadline. There is another several million. That will allow us to be aggressive in the free agent market for POWER HITTING OF/1B. We do not need rentals. After blowing leads the last 2 seasons, if this season starts to get away from us due to injury let it go and retool for next year. Do not go with throwing prospects away (like V. Zambrano) to only see us miss the playoffs and lose prospects. I am willing to ride out the storm and see how we do. The only trade I would make where I would give up the remaining prospects (including Murphy) would be for a top notch starter (Halliday, Oswalt, Peavy). Otherwise, hold onto the prospects. I have said it numerous times recently but we will be losing Delgado, Putz, Wagner off of the pay roll. That right there is about 30 million. Putz has a 9 million dollar option with a 1 million buyout. Buy him out. We do not need a 9 million dollar setup man.

I feel there is a strong possibility we will be looking to move Church and possibly Schneider if not at season’s end then at the deadline. There is another several million. That will allow us to be aggressive in the free agent market for POWER HITTING OF/1B. We do not need rentals. After blowing leads the last 2 seasons, if this season starts to get away from us due to injury let it go and retool for next year. Do not go with throwing prospects away (like V. Zambrano) to only see us miss the playoffs and lose prospects.

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