Comments on: Buzz: The Mets and Phillies Can Add Payroll http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: marathonmet http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573425 marathonmet Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:19:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573425 Maybe your right and Dunn is a great, 40 hr a year, future hall of famer, that fits perfectly with the Mets and helps them go all the way. Maybe your right and Dunn is a great, 40 hr a year, future hall of famer, that fits perfectly with the Mets and helps them go all the way.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573348 gowrightgo Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:44:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573348 Personally, I am writing this season off. I realize that is heresy hear and I dont want to ...just I see too many injuries to assume we can stay competitive. A hot 2 weeks by the Phillies and we would have been 6 - 8 games back right now and a few out of the WC. I think we should strongly consider a trade of Jose Reyes to repopulate the high AAA tank with 2 - 3 near ready pitchers who can dominate. I heard this talk on the fan with Fatcessa yesterday and I think it has some merit. He was pushing Reyes to the Red Sox for Bucholz, Ellsbury and some fireballing middle reliever they have. The idea had some promise to me actually....I love Jose but he is what he is and Cora has shown me that you do not need the best flashiest glove and speed demon to be successful. Jose for sale....see what the best offers are coming back Personally, I am writing this season off. I realize that is heresy hear and I dont want to …just I see too many injuries to assume we can stay competitive. A hot 2 weeks by the Phillies and we would have been 6 – 8 games back right now and a few out of the WC.

I think we should strongly consider a trade of Jose Reyes to repopulate the high AAA tank with 2 – 3 near ready pitchers who can dominate. I heard this talk on the fan with Fatcessa yesterday and I think it has some merit. He was pushing Reyes to the Red Sox for Bucholz, Ellsbury and some fireballing middle reliever they have. The idea had some promise to me actually….I love Jose but he is what he is and Cora has shown me that you do not need the best flashiest glove and speed demon to be successful.

Jose for sale….see what the best offers are coming back

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573346 gowrightgo Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:39:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573346 perfectly said. You trade for pieces of the future core or for the final piece of the puzzle. Not to plug holes and buy time perfectly said. You trade for pieces of the future core or for the final piece of the puzzle. Not to plug holes and buy time

]]> By: dustin in ben lomond http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573344 dustin in ben lomond Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:35:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573344 Fair enough, but I'd say his low numbers are because he has O Cabrera or Giambi behind him everynight, hitting .230 and .210 respectively. Fair enough, but I’d say his low numbers are because he has O Cabrera or Giambi behind him everynight, hitting .230 and .210 respectively.

]]> By: ScottN http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573314 ScottN Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:22:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573314 Valid point on the HRs, but Sheff as much of a base clogger as Dunn? That's rediculous. Sheff still has SB ability that he's already demonstrated, and has good baserunning instincts. Dunn is essentially Delgado on the bases. Valid point on the HRs, but Sheff as much of a base clogger as Dunn? That’s rediculous. Sheff still has SB ability that he’s already demonstrated, and has good baserunning instincts. Dunn is essentially Delgado on the bases.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573305 Andrew Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:58:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573305 Regarding your #1: JP Ricciardi, who has never been in the same organization as Adam Dunn, said -- completely out of the blue -- that he doesn't care about baseball. Forgive me if I take that with a grain of salt. Also, you're totally right, guys who hit 40 home runs every year don't add much value. Regarding your #1: JP Ricciardi, who has never been in the same organization as Adam Dunn, said — completely out of the blue — that he doesn’t care about baseball. Forgive me if I take that with a grain of salt.

Also, you’re totally right, guys who hit 40 home runs every year don’t add much value.

]]> By: chicagometfan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573292 chicagometfan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:33:29 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573292 5 of Sheff's HR's have come as a pinch hitter or dh so he would still have had those AB's even with Dunn 5 of Sheff’s HR’s have come as a pinch hitter or dh so he would still have had those AB’s even with Dunn

]]> By: chicagometfan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573291 chicagometfan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:32:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573291 % of Sheff's HR's have come as a pinch hitter or DH so he still would have gotten those AB's .Dunn would only replace one of the two (Tatisor Shef0 anf that is 5 total hr's vs Dunn's 18 plus Sheff would get some AB's against tough lefties instead of Church Sheff is just as big a base clogger as Dunn. Tatis is a bigger rally killer with DP's . Dunn in this lineup from day 1 would have made a HUGE difference. % of Sheff’s HR’s have come as a pinch hitter or DH so he still would have gotten those AB’s .Dunn would only replace one of the two (Tatisor Shef0 anf that is 5 total hr’s vs Dunn’s 18 plus Sheff would get some AB’s against tough lefties instead of Church
Sheff is just as big a base clogger as Dunn. Tatis is a bigger rally killer with DP’s . Dunn in this lineup from day 1 would have made a HUGE difference.

]]> By: marathonmet http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573289 marathonmet Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:28:32 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573289 A couple of ideas to put on the table: 1. Again the discussion about Dunn, or Holliday or whoever. If the trade brings value, then do it. If we get an impact player, a winner who is going to make a difference and really add up, then get him. If not, forget it, get somebody without giving up value and just ride the wave. I'm not sure, but I tend to think that Dunn doesn't add that much value. Sure he can hit the long ball, but they say his defense isn't up to par. They also say he's been said to not care. Finally, Omar had a chance to get him in the offseason and he didn't. 2. This week will be very important. They have six very difficult games ahead, and the results will tell us a big story. 3. I get the idea that pitching is still the most important part of the game. Look at our team last night. No apparent power at the plate but we ended up with 6 runs, 12 hits and won. The point is, great offense or average offense, the difference comes from the pitching. 4. That being said, it also seems to be important that Wright has officially asumed a leadership role, that I hope he cherishes and excels in. This week will give him the opportunity to really make a difference and it will also give the whole team an opportunity to feel pressure and gain a new winning attitude. 5. So, if the Mets end the week ahead, or better said, if they end the week with more wins than losses, then it shows that we have a pretty good pitching staff, only to get better (I agree with a post that said that competition from Nieve has made Redding better. I expect Perez to also benefit from it and come back really strong), and it will show that we have a pretty good team, only to get better. 6. If the week ends up being a disaster, then its another story. I personally like our chances. A couple of ideas to put on the table:

1. Again the discussion about Dunn, or Holliday or whoever. If the trade brings value, then do it. If we get an impact player, a winner who is going to make a difference and really add up, then get him. If not, forget it, get somebody without giving up value and just ride the wave.

I’m not sure, but I tend to think that Dunn doesn’t add that much value. Sure he can hit the long ball, but they say his defense isn’t up to par. They also say he’s been said to not care. Finally, Omar had a chance to get him in the offseason and he didn’t.

2. This week will be very important. They have six very difficult games ahead, and the results will tell us a big story.

3. I get the idea that pitching is still the most important part of the game. Look at our team last night. No apparent power at the plate but we ended up with 6 runs, 12 hits and won. The point is, great offense or average offense, the difference comes from the pitching.

4. That being said, it also seems to be important that Wright has officially asumed a leadership role, that I hope he cherishes and excels in. This week will give him the opportunity to really make a difference and it will also give the whole team an opportunity to feel pressure and gain a new winning attitude.

5. So, if the Mets end the week ahead, or better said, if they end the week with more wins than losses, then it shows that we have a pretty good pitching staff, only to get better (I agree with a post that said that competition from Nieve has made Redding better. I expect Perez to also benefit from it and come back really strong), and it will show that we have a pretty good team, only to get better.

6. If the week ends up being a disaster, then its another story. I personally like our chances.

]]> By: Razor Shines http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573268 Razor Shines Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:44:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/06/23/buzz-the-mets-and-phillies-can-add-payroll/#comment-573268 Lastly, it's weird to read how getting Dunn will not affect much because he'll have Tatis or Church batting behind him and get walked constantly. Well, instead you have Wright being walked twice yesterday to get to Tatis, and then nothing behind him. Dunn extends the lineup, gives Wright pitches to see, and with Wright's 400 OB% I can't see Dunn being pitched around too often to push him in to scoring position. Lastly, it’s weird to read how getting Dunn will not affect much because he’ll have Tatis or Church batting behind him and get walked constantly. Well, instead you have Wright being walked twice yesterday to get to Tatis, and then nothing behind him. Dunn extends the lineup, gives Wright pitches to see, and with Wright’s 400 OB% I can’t see Dunn being pitched around too often to push him in to scoring position.

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