The Indians traded infielder Mark DeRosa to the Cardinals for RHP Chris Perez and a player to be named later, according to MLB.com.
…this makes sense, because the buzz from cleveland had been the 
Indians asking the Mets for Bobby Parnell and a low-level pitcher, like a Single-A RHP Scott Shaw…
The 34–year-old DeRosa had been hitting .270 with 13 HR and 50 RBI in 71 games for the Indians, during which he played first, third, left and right field.
In a post to Newsday, Ken Davidoff writes:
“Why didn’t the Mets get DeRosa? Because they don’t have a pitcher like Perez, who misses bats, and who is major-league ready in their farm system.”
Perez, 23, was St. Louis’s top pitching prospect, according to Baseball America, and was on track to be the team’s future closer.
He was 1–1 with one save and a 4.18 ERA in 20 relief appearances for the Cardinals this season, during which opponents were hitting .195 against him, while allowing just two of 15 inherited runners to score.
In a post to Future Redbirds, Cardinals fan Erik writes:
“So much for the closer of the future. Mark DeRosa is a good player, and the Cardinals are in an obvious need of offense rather than bullpen help, but my initial reaction this is a steep price for just a rental.”
DeRosa will earn $5.5 million this year, and will be a free agent this winter.
Last week, in a post to his blog for ESPN.com, Buster Olney said the Mets can add roughly $5 million to their payroll.
…the early read on this is, like erik says, is the Cardinals overpaid, probably because the Cubs were interested in derosa as well…
Assuming the following deal would have gotten it done…
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Perez never figured it out.. was still throwing a ton of balls… this is actually less then I thought Derosa would go for.. but maybe this is the new baseball economics kicking in.
Still? He is 23 and has not even thrown 70 major league innings
I know but the list of would be stud closers that bombed is long and infamous….. anyone that plays fantasy baseball can give you this list.. and it is no impressive…
All due respect fantasy baseball owners is not somewhere I go for opinions. That is akin to taking the temperature of success based on the lunatics who call WFAN.
The perception and ranking of Perez over time may prove to be off base, but the fact is at the moment, I am not even sure had the Mets offered Parnell and another lesser prospect that the Indians would have made that deal over this, in fact, I am certain Shapiro would not have seen them as equal.
Uh, what’s wrong with people who play fantasy baseball?
I play fantasy baseball — a lot. In fact, I’m a staff member at a fantasy baseball website. And I’d wager that I probably know a heck of a lot more about players all across major league baseball, including the minor leagues, than you do. People who play fantasy baseball seriously track the performance of basically EVERYBODY across MLB day in and day out, and follow the progress, including peripheral statistics, of prospects closely.
So comparing fantasy baseball players to WFAN callers is… uh… totally inane, to say the least.
That would be your opinion Andrew and here is mine. People like you who spend the entirety of their life analyzing statistics and NOT actually doing so in a means to put them to use in REALITY are just like WFAN callers. Because you can make extravagant decisions with out any respect to reality of dealing with actual people who own teams, the rest of the staff, managers, coaches and the players who you currently have on a real roster and the ones you wish to court. There is a reason it is called fantasy baseball, because it is not real. I can look at the exact same set of statistics, watch just as much baseball, not engage in “fantasyland” and feel comfortable in being more grounded in the idea that what just took place between St. Louis and Cleveland is the REAL market, not the fantasy baseball could be situation that might transpire in three years that has burned countless stat trekkies who have felt spurned by the minor league relievers they have stockpiled.
patrick theres no point fighting with him…the bottom of this post we were arguing about whether Church is a good enough RFer to win with if u have a good core infront of him…then i realized theres no point arguing with him because every post i see of his is him saying something negative or complaining so its w/e
Well I would agree that Church is not really the answer, but I could be wrong, bottom line is even if Beltran and Reyes return healthy and productive, there is no telling Delgado does. The Mets then are short at least one hitter in the lineup.
You, Mr. wrightmurph, are just on another planet. Your description of our disagreement (in which you made arguments from ignorance, while I made well-researched and reasonable arguments without namecalling, something you were unable to avoid) is so far from the truth, I wonder if you even read what I said.
I don’t even understand what your argument is, Patrick. What “extravagant decisions with out [sic] any respect to reality” do I make as a fantasy baseball player? I am well aware, for one, that fantasy baseball trades are not like real-life trades. The fact of “the REAL market,” as you put it, is that the hot-shot minor leaguers who burn out don’t just burn out in fantasyland, they burn out in real life too. So if Chris Perez, for example, burns out, he’ll hurt both fantasy owners and his new team. The difference is that owning any player, but particularly a prospect, is a much greater risk for the REAL team than the fantasy team. What stilltheEWM did was point that out and note that he would know, because fantasy players are often very knowledgeable about closing situations all around baseball. To which you responded that fantasy players are like WFAN callers… which continues to make no sense.
Would have liked DeRosa but he is not the answer to this teams ills.
The Mets need two corner outfielders and three guys off the disabled list.
2 Corner outfieiders? Somebody else go on the DL I don’t know about? I agree on the 3 guys off the DL would make a tremendous difference.
Sheffield god love him is one misstep away from the DL and Ryan Church has not been a baseball player since his 2nd concussion last year.
Going into this season it was my sincere hope that Murphy and Church would both knock 20 HRs aside Beltran and the Mets would focus on adding a starting pitcher this time of year.
Well, neither is going to happen, Church is just useless and Murphy has been bounced like a super ball by Manuel.
I see your point Patrick, and it’s a good one! I guess I was so focused on all the injuries that when we finally get a guy healthy I didn’t don’t pay attention if he’s having an ordinary season of not.
Geez my typing is rough today………..Of couse having my 16 month old boys
Con’t………16 month old boy tugging on my arm every time I type on my laptop doesn’t help! lol
mets need a power hitting LFer its as simple as that…this team right now only has 2 or 3 “trustworthy” bats for lack of a better term….wright, church, sheff and sheff is better suited as a bench player with pop off the bench…u get a dunn or holliday, who really are the only guys worth getting because nobody else will make a significant diff…if u put one of them in left with beltran and church…and reyes returns…u can get by with murphy and evans/tatis or w/e at 1B…but it needs to be a consistent, big bat…teahen is not a difference maker…omar is trying to not trade away good prospects…but NY is a win now market and the NL is weak this year…omar would be dumb to not try to win it this year…like i said in another post…do i want fmart to go? no id love to see him come up and be a star…but id also be willing to chance that hes not as good as advertised and get a proven bat who can help this team now and in the coming years(extension will be needed for holliday)
Church is a trustworthy bat? What part of his .699 OPS is trustworthy?
Here’s a list of “randomly” selected guys who have a better OPS than Ryan Church this year: Alberto Callaspo, Felipe Lopez, Skip Schumacher, Ryan Theriot, Pedro Feliz, Kurt Suzuki, Rod Barajas, Chris “.212″ Davis, Jerry Hairston Jr., Luis Castillo.
Ryan Church sucks. Time to dump him.
so according to ur post above u play fantasy baseball alot…then u should know that u cant have a star at every position…and u need guys who bring certain assets…church is a streaky bat with excellent defense….and if church sucks and its time to dump who are u gunna put there? fernando “i cant hit above 170″ martinez? if u talk like u know so much from playing fantasy, which i agree, i play too and i know alot about other players that i wouldnt know if i didnt play…but u say u play alot then u should realize u need role/complimentary players….nobody is calling church a star by any stretch….but if u have guys like reyes, wright, beltran, a guy like holliday….and church is ur 5th or 6th best hitter…thats more then good enough to compete in the post season…
and the reason i called him trustworthy is because along with castillo and wright he is the only guy from the opening day lineup playing regularly still….
Church has a good glove, but even calling him a “streaky” bat is a stretch to me. He had a terrific April and May last year — that’s it. As far as I’m concerned, if you want to call a guy streaky, he needs to have had more than one hot streak. Church hasn’t been streaky — he’s been simply bad. His defense is good, sure, but he’s a well-below-average hitter at a premium hitting position, and while the D makes up for that a little, it’s not like he’s a Gold Glover out there in right.
Most importantly: On a good team, Church wouldn’t even start. In all likelihood, he wouldn’t start for the Yankees or the Phillies or the Red Sox or the Cardinals or the Dodgers or the Angels or the Tigers (if Carlos Guillen was healthy).
You notice the difference between those top-tier teams (and yes, I have to include the Phillies among those, unfortunately, despite their recent slide) and the middling teams (like the Mets) struggling to keep up? Those teams all have three outfielders with speed or power or both. Church is a nice piece for a team like Washington or Pittsburgh, where he can be quietly underappreciated as a good outfielder who’s able to hold things down as a #6 or #7 hitter. On a team with championship aspirations, unless the rest of the lineup is stacked, Ryan Church is dead weight.
Well if u want to compare RFers…werth is a product of citizens bank, go look at the career numbers before he got to philly…his best year was 16 and 47…and if u put church there u dont think he’d have 25 HRs playing in that bandbox…especially for left handed hitters….u’d take JD Drew over church? really?…Nick Swisher is homerun or fail….no thx…..Cardinals dont even know who there everday RFer is….dodgers have ethier…hes solid…but streaky as well….Angels have an aging vlad who DHs alot….tigers have magglio ordonez whos solid…but they have no LFer….
My point in all of that is u dont need a star RFer to be good…and u dont think the yankees would take church over swisher? they cant stand how hes a bad base runner, strikes out alot…plays terrible defense…and church would hit in that park to offset that….
Your being a tool pretty much…we all know church isnt some star…but to say a team cant win with church in RF is well….showing u know nothing
I’m being a tool because I don’t like Ryan Church? Great counterargument.
Speaking of knowing nothing, let’s take a look at some things you “know.”
-”werth is a product of citizens bank” — oh, really? How about instead of comparing his old numbers, we look at, I don’t know, current numbers. Let’s take a look at his home/road splits, shall we? Home .219, 6 HR, .713 OPS. Road: .314, 9 HR, .967 OPS. Yeah, Citizens Bank Park is really inflating his numbers.
-JD Drew gets hurt a lot, but then again, so does Church. Drew also has a career .892 OPS, which is pretty massive. Even this year, which has been a down year, he’d be tied for the lead on the Mets in home runs, and only Beltran and Wright have more RBIs. His OPS is more than 150 points higher than Church’s. So yes, I would rather have JD Drew.
-Nick Swisher has 14 home runs (11 of them on the road, so it’s not the stadium), he hits BOMBS and he can also play first. As it happens, he plays perfectly fine defense and has a strong arm. And, for a guy who’s “home run or fail,” he’s got 17 doubles and a triple vs. Church’s 14 doubles. I think “home run or fail” is better than “fail or fail” — so I’ll take his .504 slugging over Church’s .372. Swisher also draws a ton of walks, so he’s got a very good .373 OBP. Church’s OBP is a pretty miserable .327.
-The Cardinals play Ludwick in right. He hit 37 home runs last year and is on a cold streak since returning from injury this year, but again — he hit 37 home runs last year and OPSed .966. And he has 11 homers this year despite struggling since the injury.
-Ethier is streaky, yes. He’s also an excellent hitter with good power and some speed. I’d kill to have Church hit like Ethier. And, of course, he has 14 home runs.
-Vlad is aging, yes — but it’s Bobby Abreu (who, let’s be clear, I hate) playing RF for the Angels, and all he’s done is hit .296 (.338 with RISP, I should mention) and steal 17 bases.
-As I mentioned, Carlos Guillen is hurt. He would be playing LF for the Tigers, and is without a doubt better than Ryan Church.
So, in short, you have been wrong in essentially every single thing that you have said to contradict me.
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