Comments on: News: Indians trade DeRosa to Cardinals

By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:22:39 +0000

You, Mr. wrightmurph, are just on another planet. Your description of our disagreement (in which you made arguments from ignorance, while I made well-researched and reasonable arguments without namecalling, something you were unable to avoid) is so far from the truth, I wonder if you even read what I said.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:20:25 +0000

I don’t even understand what your argument is, Patrick. What “extravagant decisions with out [sic] any respect to reality” do I make as a fantasy baseball player? I am well aware, for one, that fantasy baseball trades are not like real-life trades. The fact of “the REAL market,” as you put it, is that the hot-shot minor leaguers who burn out don’t just burn out in fantasyland, they burn out in real life too. So if Chris Perez, for example, burns out, he’ll hurt both fantasy owners and his new team. The difference is that owning any player, but particularly a prospect, is a much greater risk for the REAL team than the fantasy team. What stilltheEWM did was point that out and note that he would know, because fantasy players are often very knowledgeable about closing situations all around baseball. To which you responded that fantasy players are like WFAN callers… which continues to make no sense.

By: Mets5rocks

Mets5rocks — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:40:14 +0000

Con’t………16 month old boy tugging on my arm every time I type on my laptop doesn’t help! lol

By: Mets5rocks

Mets5rocks — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:38:56 +0000

Geez my typing is rough today………..Of couse having my 16 month old boys

By: Mets5rocks

Mets5rocks — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:37:07 +0000

I see your point Patrick, and it’s a good one! I guess I was so focused on all the injuries that when we finally get a guy healthy I didn’t don’t pay attention if he’s having an ordinary season of not.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:07:55 +0000

I’m being a tool because I don’t like Ryan Church? Great counterargument.

Speaking of knowing nothing, let’s take a look at some things you “know.”

-”werth is a product of citizens bank” — oh, really? How about instead of comparing his old numbers, we look at, I don’t know, current numbers. Let’s take a look at his home/road splits, shall we? Home .219, 6 HR, .713 OPS. Road: .314, 9 HR, .967 OPS. Yeah, Citizens Bank Park is really inflating his numbers.

-JD Drew gets hurt a lot, but then again, so does Church. Drew also has a career .892 OPS, which is pretty massive. Even this year, which has been a down year, he’d be tied for the lead on the Mets in home runs, and only Beltran and Wright have more RBIs. His OPS is more than 150 points higher than Church’s. So yes, I would rather have JD Drew.

-Nick Swisher has 14 home runs (11 of them on the road, so it’s not the stadium), he hits BOMBS and he can also play first. As it happens, he plays perfectly fine defense and has a strong arm. And, for a guy who’s “home run or fail,” he’s got 17 doubles and a triple vs. Church’s 14 doubles. I think “home run or fail” is better than “fail or fail” — so I’ll take his .504 slugging over Church’s .372. Swisher also draws a ton of walks, so he’s got a very good .373 OBP. Church’s OBP is a pretty miserable .327.

-The Cardinals play Ludwick in right. He hit 37 home runs last year and is on a cold streak since returning from injury this year, but again — he hit 37 home runs last year and OPSed .966. And he has 11 homers this year despite struggling since the injury.

-Ethier is streaky, yes. He’s also an excellent hitter with good power and some speed. I’d kill to have Church hit like Ethier. And, of course, he has 14 home runs.

-Vlad is aging, yes — but it’s Bobby Abreu (who, let’s be clear, I hate) playing RF for the Angels, and all he’s done is hit .296 (.338 with RISP, I should mention) and steal 17 bases.

-As I mentioned, Carlos Guillen is hurt. He would be playing LF for the Tigers, and is without a doubt better than Ryan Church.

So, in short, you have been wrong in essentially every single thing that you have said to contradict me.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:43:27 +0000

Well I would agree that Church is not really the answer, but I could be wrong, bottom line is even if Beltran and Reyes return healthy and productive, there is no telling Delgado does. The Mets then are short at least one hitter in the lineup.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:42:10 +0000

Sheffield god love him is one misstep away from the DL and Ryan Church has not been a baseball player since his 2nd concussion last year.

Going into this season it was my sincere hope that Murphy and Church would both knock 20 HRs aside Beltran and the Mets would focus on adding a starting pitcher this time of year.

Well, neither is going to happen, Church is just useless and Murphy has been bounced like a super ball by Manuel.

By: wright5murph28

wright5murph28 — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:41:56 +0000

patrick theres no point fighting with him…the bottom of this post we were arguing about whether Church is a good enough RFer to win with if u have a good core infront of him…then i realized theres no point arguing with him because every post i see of his is him saying something negative or complaining so its w/e

By: Patrick

Patrick — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:38:25 +0000

That would be your opinion Andrew and here is mine. People like you who spend the entirety of their life analyzing statistics and NOT actually doing so in a means to put them to use in REALITY are just like WFAN callers. Because you can make extravagant decisions with out any respect to reality of dealing with actual people who own teams, the rest of the staff, managers, coaches and the players who you currently have on a real roster and the ones you wish to court. There is a reason it is called fantasy baseball, because it is not real. I can look at the exact same set of statistics, watch just as much baseball, not engage in “fantasyland” and feel comfortable in being more grounded in the idea that what just took place between St. Louis and Cleveland is the REAL market, not the fantasy baseball could be situation that might transpire in three years that has burned countless stat trekkies who have felt spurned by the minor league relievers they have stockpiled.