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Ryan Church will start in center field today, and David Wright is once again in the starting lineup.
Luis Castillo will lead off followed by Alex Cora, Wright, Gary Sheffield in right field, Fernando Tatis in left field, Church, Nick Evans at first base, and Omir Santos.
Tim Redding (1-3, 6.35 ERA) will start for the Mets. Redding pitched well into the sixth inning against the Yankees last Saturday, but he allowed four runs in the sixth and took the loss. He has allowed five home runs in his last 17 2/3 innings pitched.
Paul Maholm (5-4, 4.35 ERA) will start for the Pirates. Maholm rebounded well in his last outing against the Royals after two very rough outings against the Rockies and Twins in which he allowed 13 runs and 22 hits in just 10 innings over those two starts.
The tarp is on the field at PNC Park.
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What does Manuel have against Jeremy Reed? Did I miss something and he got hurt? I know it’s a lefty on the mound, but Reed has actually had some good ABs against lefties and with Redding, the Mets need the defense out there.
I really don’t understand why this guy has gotten buried. All he’s done is play great defense and produce for us.
It really doesn’t have much to do with how Reed has played. With Beltran out someone obviously has to play center. Which of course Reed can do, but consider this: 8th inning 2 on, 2 out , tie game and the pitchers spot due up against a righty. WHo do you want as your LH hitter off the bench? A guy who is still finding his swing in the bigs in F-MArtinez or Jeremy Reeds who has been around awhile, has likely seen the opposing pitcher before, and has had success as a pinch hitter. That and the fact that the Mets are going to play F-Mart as often as they can as long as he’s here is what’s costing him playing time.
Nice point about who is on the bench…
Maholm is tough on lefties so it makes sense to sit FM, and Church has been going so well lately he deserves to be in there.
playing Church in CF allows them to get two good RH bats on the corners. I think it comes down to Reed or Evans because Church isn’t sitting right now. You rather have Evans in there against the lefty, and Reed as your best L-PH.
correction, Tatis or Reed, not Evans… now that the full lineup is posted.
Murphy is probably the only platoon player in the game who only gets to hit against his bad side…
That’s a good point, but, frankly not good enough to my mind. First you have to get to that “close and late” situation and that means on a thin team you need to put your best players on the field. Right now that means Jeremy Reed. That’s like saying we should sit Cora because of his defensive versatility in late game situations. No, you need to go with the best you have — right now that’s Reed in CF.
Not for nothing, but other than the two games against the Pirates where he went 5 for 7 Reed hasn’t hit much of anything in June! The only reason his average is at .282 is because he had limited at bats. If you take away those 2 games Reed hit a deplorable .150 average! Tell me again why Reed should start instead of F-mart when he’s not he defender F-mart is? Reed is a nice defensive replacement for Sheff or Evans in the late innings, and a fair pinch hitter……nothing more, nothing less.
Part of the problem with stats like those is that it’s based on limited samples–more limited becasue Reed has been buried when he should be playing.
And, as for defense, I’m sorry, but Martinez is a better defensive player? Absolutely not, it’s not even a contest at this point. Reed was brought to this team as a needed defensive replacement for unsteady outfielders. Martinez is still having issues getting the correct reads on balls, and is more of a natural corner outfielder. Reed is twice the defensive outfielder Martinez is at this point. FMart should be in AAA right now, frankly.
I definetly disagree on the defensive side on Reed over Martinez in CF! in R or Lf, sure you might have an arguement, but Martinez has only been playing those positions for maybe 2 seasons and not even 2 full seasons. But in CF outside of getting his cleats stuck the other day Martinez’s defense has been stellar! Which makes sense as that’s where he was being groomed to play in the minors as a replacement for Beltran, but F-mart progressed faster than expected so the Mets had his start playing L an R field recently. The only reason I would agree that F-mart belongs in the minors right now would be for his bat, but with that said the only way F-mart is going to learn to hit major league pitching is to face it and with Beltran out, I can’t imagine a better time to do it than now. And recently he has swung the bat better his average is not in the free fall it was and is holding steady, granted it’s not a great batting average but he is learning and given his youth and the pressure he’s under with the team in the shape it is, I don’t think we can realistically ask for more than that.
FMart has played CF up until this year when they switched him to the corners since obviously Beltran is the CF when healthy. Mets tend to keep a guy at his comfort position as long as possible before switching due a player blocking them.
weather does not look promising for this game.
And man, a day off here would have been nice. Maybe they still get it!
Idk, I just checked the weather in Pitt and it says cloudy with thunderstorms in the late afternoon. Looks like they may be able to get it in.
Having to make a second pit stop in Pittsburgh sometime in Sept to make up this game would probably be worse…
They already lost this off day, might as well play the game too.
The Mets signed Juan Urbina, a Venezuelan lefty, to a bonus worth more than $1MM, according to Kiley McDaniel of Baseball Prospectus. Urbina is the son of longtime major leaguer Ugueth Urbina.
Greaaat. The Mets FINALLY sign a player from the All-star factory that is Venezuela, and its the son of an attempted murderer
Look at the bright side……..atleast he’ll bring the “KIller Instinct” the Mets seem to lack ! LOL lol,…….okay,okay , that was bad! lol
Oh i forgot to add that was from MLBTraderumors.com
I can’t wait until this guy catches fire…
I’m confused…”Alex cora is the only left handed hitter in the lineup”
Cora is the only lefty in the lineup not named Church
Thanks for the clarification.
Oh, hey Michael? I believe Church is a left handed hitter, so your Cora comment doesn’t quite make sense. That said, if Cora and Church are the only 2 lefties in the lineup, Reed could have been inserted without creating too much imbalance. My preference:
Cora
Evans
Church
Sheffield
Wright
Santos
Reed
Tatis
Good L-R balance and gets Wright back in the 5 hole where he seems to feel most comfortable. I’d be willing to move Reed into the 3 hole and bat Church behind Wright to give him some protection, too, given how well Church has been hitting of late.
Santos is better protection for Wright than Sheffield?
You’re absolutely right, but as I’ve said before on here, I thing Wright simply “feels” better in the #5 hole. This is a guy that seems to struggle a bit when asked to do too much, so play the personality and put him in the “low middle” of the order where he can produce without feeling like he has to carry the offense. I wouldn’t want Sheff in the #6 hole, so I’d go with Santos as the best of the lower 3rd of the order, or flip Reed up and Church down to protect Wright if that’s the higher concern.
But, in the end, I think Wright should be the #5 hitter on this team, period. I think we get more out of a comfortable Wright a bit lower in the order than a pressing Wright up top.
I don’t think that where he hits in the lineup affects Wright more than the situation itself, he tries to do too much and wants to be the guy to come through in tough situations.
I agree on your point about Wright being comfy in the 5 hole, That said with all the injuries there is no way that Wright doesn’t feel he has to carry the team, I don’t care where he hits in the order. ONe thing is for sure can’t argue with his B.A. His Hr’s are down in part due to Citi, and part pressing. If a hitter is not swinging the bat relaxed and lose he isn’t going to hit many HR’s that just the way it is.
Santos hit .246/.259/.333 in June. He isn’t protecting anyone.
Ramon Castro anyone? ;)
Agreed those stats aren’t that great, but……….How many guys not named David Wright or Carlos Beltran hit better in June? Castro needed to go, he should have been gone last season, atleast we got something for him, albeit not much.
Santos is 0 for his last 16 — numbers look worse like that.
That said, he still has more hits in his last 20 ABs than Castro has total since the trade (4 to 3)
Who is playing RF?
Gary Sheffield
Hey look whos pitching against the Yankees today:
Jason Vargas 3.79era 3W-3L
Good thing we signed ollie.
We gave Vargas up in 2008. What does that have to do with signing Ollie. Was Seattle going to give Vargas back to us if we didn’t?
He was in the Putz trade… I guess some think that Carp and Vargas would have been the better guys to have…
according to the lineup posted Sheffield. However the lineup posted only has 7 position players. Church was noted to be in center but does not appear in the batting order
Is Church in the 5 hole?
6th behind tatis…really jerry…church should be 5th even if its a lefty
Agreed
I agree on that, whats the point of having Church up there to drive in runs if all the runners were wiped out via the GBDP!
Tatis has incriminating pictures of Jerry or something.
who cares what the lineup is today…just win baby
Redding just about pitching for his spot in the rotation, so if we are ever going to see him at his best it should be today…
Can we stop with the “where is Jeremy Reed” stuff. The guy is a career late inning replacement for defense purposes. We are missing Reyes, Beltran, and Delgado and need some POP in the lineup – Something Church offers more than Reed.
I have nothing against Reed but lets be honest he isn’t more than a late inning defensive replacement for Gary Sheffield. Come on guys lets get real. I have no problem with today’s lineup.
LETS GO METS!
i just have 1 problem…..5-4-3 i mean tatis is in the lineup
Tatis is in the lineup because Malhom is a left handed pitcher with decent stuff. He is very hard on left handers.
Righty, Lefty it doesn’t matter, Tatis will still hit into a 5-4-3 DP! I’d rather go with either F-mart in CF (because even if he doesn’t get a hit one thing he doesn’t do is hit into many DP’s) Put Sheffield back in LF and Evans at 1B against the Lefty.
Tatis is batting .259/.365/.352 against lefties,
hardly being tough on them
Murphy is batting .276/.290/.414 against lefties.
Murphy at 1B, Evans in the OF anyone?
Guys can we get off of the Daniel Murphy bandwagon????? The guy is hitting .240 and hasn’t been the player we thought he would be. He is still young and looks like he may have potential but against a lefty I don’t mind Tatis in there – you have to think he will start hitting eventually lol
Murphy keeps getting say against lefties, who he hits better. He needs to play against them so he can get his average up and start taking some walks against them. If they stopped playing him sporadically and only against righties he might start hitting again… he has to eventually as he’s a superior hitter to Tatis.
Neither should be in next years plans, but for now they need to get him in there more.
How can you call Murphy a better hitter than Tatis????? Tatis hit over .300 last season like Murphy but in MUCH more at bats and this season, despite his double plays, Tatis is hitting for a higher average and OPS than Murphy. It is a little premature to call Murphy a better hitter than the veteran Tatis when Murph hasn’t even played a full season in the Majors.
It’s the thinking that Tatis has got to hit better eventually that has killed many a rally via the GBDP! And quite frankly this team can ill afford to be giving too many outs away on offense, they give enough away on defense!
Yes, I agree it’s odd to say on the one hand that Murphy is young and has potential and on the other hand say Tatis should play over him because he has to start hitting eventually. Does he?
Murphy was given the left field job at the beginning of the year and played everyday and is still hitting .240 – Point is playing everyday wont help his average.
And my point about Tatis was that he should be playing against lefties – not Murphy. I dont care what Murphy is hitting vs lefties – It can’t be that good if he is hitting .240 for the year.
Whats the love affair with Murphy???? Cause he hit .300 last season in only 100 at bats. Come on
Murphy shows potential for a number of reason. Anyone watching him hit can see this. He is fundamentally a much better hitter, the stats should come around if he plays.
Tatis has a 3-4 year track record of lack of success. It is much smarter to figure that last year was an aberration than to figure that he will eventually start hitting again.
Murphy does look like he should be hitting but the bottom line is he ISNT! And as for Tatis he doesnt have a 3-4 year track record cause last season when he hit over .300 and was CLUTCH for us was his first year back after taking two years off.
And I’m only arguing about Tatis playing cause there is a left pitching – I dont think he should be an everyday player.
It was 131 ABs and he hit .313
And he was hitting .311 in his first 100 ABs this year.
He has slumped over his most recent 115 ABs, however, but as you pointed out, we should not judge him on 100ABs.
Or does that theory only apply when he is doing well.
Razor – I have to go back to work…good debating today talk to you later but..
If he hit over .300 in half his atbats how bad have his most recent other half been if his average is now .240??? Do you ever think that maybe just maybe MLB pitchers learned how to throw to him after seeing him now more than once????? A lot of guys come up and hit over .300 in their first 100 or so atbats, but once pitchers adjust to them they come back down to reality.
Listen – I would love for Murph to turn into a CONSISTENT .300+ hitter but if he isn’t doing that now when we are missing 3 core guys we have to go with the hot hand ESPECIALLY if a lefty is pitching and our BETTER options at this time are righty.
As I’ve been saying all along… Reed and Murphy are solid bench players – both just came in pinch hit situations and delivered.
Murphy isn’t ready to play everyday and Reed never was ready to play everyday… Coming off the bench they are solid additions.
Thank you
TATISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I LOVE BEING RIGHTTTT….
TATTTTISSSSSSSSSSSss
METS5ROCKS MY GUY TATISSSSS COMING THRU IN THE CLUTCH lol ….
He was going to start hitting eventually…
The guy was clutch ALL of last year lets give him some time to hit
In 78 atbats Reed is hitting .282 with 0 home runs and only 3 RBI’s. We all know this team has enough borderline average hitters – I much rather see Church, Sheffield, and Tatis in the outfield ESPECIALLY against a lefty. Plus we will need Reed to fill in for Sheffield if we have a lead in the late innings…
Oh and he is a career .250 hitter. Lets stop analysing Jerry’s lineups because he is doing the best he could possibly do considering who is on this team right now.
Well, that seems to be directed at me so I’ll respond. No, I won’t stop that because I believe it’s a bad move not playing him more. He’s been a good contact hitter for this team this year, is a very good defensive outfielder, and is far more ready to contribute sound defense in CV and timely hitting at this point in his career than is FMart.
Church should be in right 100%, Sheff should be in Left when he’s playing, and the best defensive CF should be in there, especially with a pitcher like Redding on the mound. FMart should be in AAA and Reed should be getting the time in CF until Beltran comes back.
That’s my take. I’m sure many don’t agree, but I think Reed on the field gives us the best chance of winning.
Nah Scott it wasn’t aimed at you I didnt even read what you were writting on the posts above…
Yes, Reed has been a career late inning replacement, but Nieve has been a career nothing and is the same age — should we not start him anymore because other teams didn’t give him a shot?
Don’t forget that Reed was drafted in the 2nd round and was the TOP prospect in the White Sox entire system five years ago. Since then he has not struggled so much as battled injuries.
I’m not saying he is a future all-star or anything but I’m just saying you can’t dismiss him as Wilson Valdez because he is a good defender and has never been a full-time player in his short career.
Terrible example Razor Shines. Terrible.
Nieve is 3-1 and his era I believe is under 2.50. He is contributing better than expected so OFCOURSE he has to stay in the everyday pitching rotation!
REED has not contributed OFFENSIVELY AT ALL, and has only contributed defensively. When your missing Reyes, Beltran and Delgado you need to go with a guy that is solid on OFFENSE ESPECIALLY if you have a left handed pitcher.
YOu can’t compare a pitcher whose been excellent to a bench player who is average. Are you kidding me??? If Reed was hitting like Beltran than ofcourse you play him – If Reed was hitting as well as Castillo I would play him but he isn’t even doing that!
Razorshines lets be fair you cant tell me that since I rather have Church in the lineup than Reed at center that I’m virtually saying I dont want Nieves in the rotation lol… Makes no sense.
As I’ve been saying all along… Reed and Murphy are solid bench players – both just came in pinch hit situations and delivered.
Murphy isn’t ready to play everyday and Reed never was ready to play everyday… Coming off the bench they are solid additions.
Thank you lol
SHINES TATTTTTISSSSSS JUST HIT AN OPPOSITE FIELD BOMBBBBBBBBB….. TATTTTISSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Does anyone care if Carlos Beltran is voted in as a starting OF for the AS game seeing as he can’t play?
mlb.com is playing it up bigtime…
I could careless who represents us at the All Star game I rather see our guys get rest anyway. I’d prefer Wright relax for three days instead starting at 3rd. The guy has been playing competitive baseball since the beginnning of March cause of the WBC – I think a break would help him.
I have no problem with him being voted in. Beltran played about 85% or so of the 1st half and played really well. He deserves to be an all-star. Now if he had played in almost no games and was being voted in I could see it but not in Beltran’s case.
I would have no gripe with him being voted in or selected… but since he can’t play I don’t really care either way…
Any updates on Pagan? He always gets hurt and they say 15 days and then you don’t see him again.
Last I heard the rumor was he was supposed to play in a rehab game this week, but given the fact that the Mets and the Media are making a big thing about him coming back because clearly he would help I have a feeling it’s going to be awhile. That said as good as he has been the next time we get him healthy we need to trade his butt! Too many injuries at inopportune times. Not that there is ever a good time for an injury….u know what I mean.
Not convinced we are ever getting these guys back. Reyes is supposed to start running this week too right?
He has yet to appear in a minor league game but there has been a lot of rain in Florida lately.
I like the starting players but I’m not crazy about the batting order.
Tatis is making better contact lately…anyone watch and see if his swing is better now? I didn’t pay attention to that while watching.
I don’t even watch Tatis’s at bats if there is a runner on 1B, I just put 5-4-3 DP in my scorebook and move on! lol
He still swung for the fences against the Brewers.
Maybe Snoop should bat Tatis leadoff. That way he won’t hit into so many double plays…
More importantly can we please give David Wright a breather already!? I don’t care about how badly this team need offense, if Jerry continues to over use his position players (Wright) and relievers (everyone) this team is going to flame out at the end again (if they even get a chance to). Why can’t Minaya get a decent 26-40 man roster so we can actually rest guys with or without injuries.
Have to disagree. Wright needs to play everyday. No, I can’t imagine the feeling of playing all those games, but that is what he’s there for. There are guys all over the league playing every day, year after year (Ryan Howard, anyone). I say you keep running him out there and look for opportunities to pull him late in games (which of course are hard to come by, more likely that we’re getting blown out).
Bobby V was especially good at managing a full 25-man roster. He kept his regulars fresh and his bench from getting too cold. My argument is currently David needs a day off. Ryan Howard doesn’t play nearly as demanding a position as Wright does. Utley gets a day here and there, Rollins does (not just for being awful). Give the guy a breather here and there is all I’m saying.
Agreed, he does need more than one day a half off just to rest, with his speed and agility being needed every game, the fear of injury is downright scary.
Wright will not complain about fatigue, pain or injury and the Mets know this so they will keep running him out there unless the medical staff needs to intervene.
Tarp still on the field?
I think so, but looking at the radar it won’t be for long. I guessing a 1:15-1:30 start.
Rain delay. It was pouring as of 12:30
Tarp off the field. Game is starting in about 5 minutes
they started the game to get all of about 8 pitches in and it down pours…another delay..
Back in rain delay after 1/3 of a inning….Castillo grounded out and Cora singled
I wonder how much extra throwing Redding has done to stay loose…
We don’t need the starters wasting inning in the pen right now.
Ugh! INjury delay!
tatis was ok….just got drilled in the hamstring by a fastball
As if needed anything else to slow him down on a ground ball! lol
Tell me this isn’t gonna be one of those games we leave 15 men on base! !@#$#%$!!!!!
nah i think they will get to maholm…hes already been a little off with his command….walked sheff…hit tatis….went 3-0 on church
That sound you hear is Omir Santos crashing back down to Earth.
Not that I can talk — I wanted to get rid of Schneider and keep Santos/Castro.
well i knew santos coming down to earth was coming sooner or later…but i still like schneider/santos better then castro with one of them…and also…santos is a nice story but did anyone really expect him to be the starting catcher for the rest of this season? He didnt get into the majors until he was 28 and was a career minor leaguer…but he can fail all he wants…ill still take him over castro anyday
Jerry Manuel.
And Castro would be the 2nd or 3rd best hitter in this lineup
FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THINK THE METS SHOULDNT TRADE FOR A BAT I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION:
HOW CONFIDENT DO YOU FEEL THAT THE METS COME BACK FROM A 3-0 DEFICIT????
Although I pray it happens, can’t say I’m overly confident it will happen.
Dude; Jerry Manuel, would be the 2 or 3 best hitter in this lineup!
what a relief! I thought it was the Mets season crashing to the ground!
kidding, mostly.
Looks like Redding and his 6.22 era is back to normal. Cant wait to bring back Ollie and Maine and send Reddings @ss to the bullpen
Is it wrong to head for the Tums and the 12 pack in the bottom of the second with Redding on the mound? lol
lol seriously… Nothign like hitting the batter to walk a run in…
Bartender!!!
you’re lucky you have a bartender to bring you tums and a 12 pack. I only have my wife.
Bartender, err I mean Honey!
HAhaha! …because it’s true (please don’t tell her I said that)
Good thing Pelf went 7 2/3 cause Redding isn’t going to be long for this game I have a feeling!
this game has 10-8 written all over it…even with these weak offenses
FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THINK THE METS SHOULDNT TRADE FOR A BAT I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION:
HOW CONFIDENT DO YOU FEEL THAT THE METS COME BACK FROM A 3-0 DEFICIT????
Although I pray it happens, can’t say I’m overly confident it will happen.
i think they’ve come back from a game when trailing by 3 or more twice since August 2007…ridiculous
and today won’t be # 3.
btw i don’t think they’ve done it when trailing by 4 since early 2007
Yes exactly – we need a bat ASAP…
Ok so I ask again – FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT THINK WE NEED A BAT DO YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN COME BACK FROM A 5-0 DEFICIT???
I think it is pretty obvious we need a bat
Needing a bat that matters and be able to aquire a bat that matters are two very different things!
Agreed – I would never want to trade for a rent a player
P.s. Praying may have worked haha
Down by 3….anyone still watching?
Yes,……..unfortunetly I glutton for punishment!
lol, well i am at work so i will keep switching over to the gamecast…i say a prayer everytime i click.
3-0 in the third. Might as well be 13-0. Basically, against Maholm, this game is over. This team can’t muster 4 runs in a game unless it is handed to them.
Ladies and Gentleman I present Tim ” Batting Practice ” Redding!
Just end it and rest the players.
lol…to say hes getting hit hard would be an understatement….every single ball is practically being crushed…oh and even tho church didnt get to that triple with the dive…he has more speed then i thought…but because of redding it didnt matter anyway…
Nice days work.
Well, that didn’t take long 2 1/3inn 5 runs 6 hits and one trip to the bullpen for Mr. Redding!
Yep – He just pitched his way right into the bullpen especially with Maine and Ollie coming back…
Another great signing by Omar Minaya lol
I am watching on Gamecast. Looks like the Mets blew a chance in the 1st. Figures. What is with Redding? He will look like we stole him one game and then a AAA pitcher the next. Pittsburgh must be laughing. Isn’t this the team that said to Beltran that was not a classy statement that he made a few weeks back. Now we are going to get swept. Just end the game now and go to Philly.
Any chance Rios or Dunn are in our lineup by tomorrow ??? hahahaha….
OMAR GET THE TEAM SOME OFFENSE THEY NEED HELP!!!!!!!!
Yep, Andy LaRoche especially must be hysterical.
Redding’s done already, may as well take Wright out now and let him rest for the weekend in Philly.
25 games til August 1st….i say 9-16….leaves us 8 under and 6+ back. Ugh.
I’d give them 2 innings to put up some runs, if not, time to rest wright.
I’m confident that the mets will score a few runs today, just not more then 6.
bad tidings.
Bummer.
Who thinks they wil score?
Omir’s “short little swing” coming up just a bit short. Need a bases-clearing hit from someone here
well 2 run single by murphy…then castillo GIDP….2 runs is fine tho…its early
Oh Bart Hubbach said in his chat today that hes pretty sure the mets have no interest in Rios because of his contract…he said they arent gunna take on a 12 mil a year contract through 2015
I assume that means the Mets will get Rios tomorrow then
Hmmmmm, the guy that was sat down because he couldn’t hit lefties just got the only RBI hit against a lefty!……….hmmmmmmm,…………Jerry, this is the second or third time in row he’s gotten a big hit off a lefthander……are you watching……or is your head still buried in the sand??
On a side note…Cuba’s top pitcher Aroldis Chapman has defected from Cuba. Many scouts consider him to be the best left handed pitcher….in the world.
His hope is to now make it to the US (he’s presently somewhere in Europe) and sign with a MLB team. Immediate sources say he will command a $30 to $60 million dollar contract.
This should be very interesting. I can’t imagine any team that won’t go after this guy: Yanks, Mets, Boston, LA, LAA, Philly….wow.
I doubt Philly or LA (Philly can’t or won’t play in that sandbox, LA is leading the league with lots of young and controllable pitching).
NYY, LAA, Boston, and NYM. Will the Wilpons pony up?
I’m also hearing Chigaco White Sox now, since Contreras is already on their team. Not sure if they have the cash flow or not but if they do, it’s a possiblity.
I’d love to see this kid in a Met uniform. Santana, Him and Pelfrey? Forgetaboutit
ah, forgot about the ChiSox. Could be.
FERNANDO!!!!!!!!!
I am watching a bad baseball team. And the Pirates, too.
(and they turn a GIDP as I wrote that. Maybe I’ll keep writing derogatory things, maybe it’s a reverse jinx)
WHOOOO that was a hyoooge gamble. I thought he was out all day.
and here come Tatis.
I’d make Tatis bunt it.
That would have scored 2 if Tatis bunted.
Not a DP , but close!
Tie Game! Nick Evans Again!
nice RBI hits by church and evans…..i thought church cant hit lefties….oh nvm just jerry thinks that
Rally caps are in full force!!!!
I hope Matt give Kudos for Tatis hussle, both (i) to stay out of the double play and (ii) to score on the play (credit Razor for sending him as well).
Maybe we out to have Pelf drill Tatis is the Hammy prior to every game! He been getting on ever since getting hit! lol
Lorenzo23,……are you watching? lol
YES AND LOVING IT! I guess praying worked lol…
Murphy is so much better as a pinch hitter. Seems like he always hits as a pinch hitter. Maybe he could be a solid one in the future.
you know what I miss?
Give me back that fillet-o-fish!
Give me that fiiisssh!
OH Noooooooooo!!!! Do you know how long it took me to get that stupid jingle outta my head! UGH! Curse you! lol
I’m into nuggets yo. I’m into nuggets yo.
New York Mets — OFFENSIVE JUGGERNAUT
I torment because I care.
You are evil! lol
Wow what a gun by the left fielder lmao
Mets take the lead!
in game poll:
Given that Redding and the Mets two long men only went a combined total of 4 innings today do you..
1) activate Oliver Perez as a long reliever instead of having him start for Buffalo tomorrow.
2) move Redding into the pen knowing that Perez will take his next start anyway.
3) make no moves and hope that Livan Hernandez and F. Nieve pitch deep against the Phillies.
4) go back in time and sign Lowe
and Dunn.
I give a chance to first guess and everyone would rather second guess some more. figures
no no, this ain’t a second guess from me. I hated and posted that I thought they made a bad decision.
but I’ll play your game, Nate: Redding to the pen, Ollie can’t be any worse as a starter than Redding.
The same Derek LOwe that in his last four outings has only pitched 17 2/3 innings has 0 wins and 3 losses with only 6 K’s and 4.44 ERA for 60 million over 4 years……………I think Omar is going to come out smelling like a rose on that deal!
True, but that was the past…i’d like to see Hudson get done this time around.
I don’t. I think he’s going to be a valuable pitcher for the next 4 years, and I think the price of mediocre pitching will continue to rise. I don’t think 21 mil over 4 yrs is enough of a diff to offset the quality of pitchers. Nor did I think so at the time.
He’s not even through the first half of his first season of that contract and already he’s getting shelled! The Braves have got to be shaking their heads. But then again what did they expect? Lowe is and always has been a just barely over .500 pitcher for his career and at age 36 I can only expect those numbers to if anything decline!
I don’t agree. I’m sure we can re-visit this in a couple of years (and if I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to say you told me so), but I think at the end of the day, having Lowe would, at least, get us to the playoffs this year in what appears to be a terrible division. Extreme groundballers age well, and (if we had a major league team) we’d do great with him in the citi.
(previous comment moderated due to puritan baloney)
lmao
Some interesting thoughts on Ollie, but if you call him up you almost have to start him, because if Hernandez and Nieve go 7 then you’ve lost the chance to stretch out ollie. I suppose you could throw him on a side session in the pen , but it’s just not the same as pitching to live batters.
yup, you could start Perez against the Phils with Nieve as the back up, for instance.
Then you can sort out which 5 starters you want next week.
Lets see if Ollie makes it thru the Buffalo start lol… He looked good with the Cyclones… buffalo will be a better test…
HOWEVER, he can’t come back soon enough the way Redding has been pitching…
Ps. Redding needs to shave that thing on his face. I dont even want to say what it looks like lol
Well up until they PH for Dessens in the top of the 5th I wanted Perez to get through a start for AAA too.
Now I’m concerned about Livan and Nieve pitching with a used up pen against the Phils. I guess Redding could be available on Sat and the long men didn’t go long so its not that bad. But if the Philly offense gets going it could really cripple the pen.
Even though this is looking like a win it could cost them more than it was worth in Philly.
Nate relax it is all going to be ok… Our bullpen has had plenty of rest. Tomorrow Livan is pitching and he goes deep into games so we wont “hopefully” need all our arms. Same with Sunday when Santana goes. As for Saturday with Nieve anyhting could happen but we will be fine..
Relaxxxxxx my man
And you can’t use Redding Saturday in the bullpen he just threw a billion pitches and he isnt gonna get pulled from the rotation until Maine is back. I think Ollie is going t othe bullpen first.
Instead of BP, Tatis should just take it on each hammy from the pitching machine.
you know it just figures, after all the pregame debate about whether Murphy or Tatis should be playing, they both are the keys to the lead.
Reed must be next…
Murphy and Reed are solid bench players…they become exposed when playing everyday…Not that Murphy wont be a good everyday guy but right now the way he pinch hits his value to us shoudl be pinch hitting and Reed with defense.
Look at todays game for example both guys succeeded in pinch hit situations.
And my man Tatis just put the game away with an opposite field smasherrrrrr….
LETS GO METS!!!!
TATTTTTISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
THAT WAS A BOMB.. Hopefully he will get his swing goinggggggggg
i just put on game cast and it was 8-5 mets, i thought something was wrong with the darn thing
LMAO
2 IP, 21 pitches, Stokes hits for himself here for me…
Why in the world is Jerry pulling Stokes??? we need to save the reast of the guys in the pen for PHILLY!
Why oh why (shakes head)
I would like to have Stokes available this weekend though too… Wouldnt want to over use him…The way Parnell has been pitching Stokes is a hard righthander that can fill in for him in Philly if need be,
not to contradict myself but the move makes sense for a few reasons.
1) two lefty batters in the next innings sets up well for Feliciano. Green and Frankie to finish out the game shouldn’t overtax anyone.
2) If Stokes throws too many pitches then he won’t be available for tomorrow.
So Nate – what you’re saying is you agree with me? lol
well, you can’t be wrong all the time
:)
I think I’ve been dead on b@lls accurate on every comment I posted today lol… Take a look
(patting myself on the back) hahahaha jk
Well,…….. you did whine about the Mets needing a bat, they’ll never come back 3-0, then 5-0,……..Then they promptly scored 8 runs! lol Maybe you should whine about needing a bat more often! lol …Everything else has been for the most part accurate. lol
lol First of all I was bustin chops and said I wasn’t confident that we could come back but would pray that we would lol. Second of all we still do need a bat – we are playing the Pirates for God sakes and they took 3 out of 4 from us. i mean look what happened in June against teams that were good we were 9-18 cause of the lack of offense. Our pitching was pretty solid. Wish we acquired a bat earlier the way Philly’s been playing maybe we would have a lead in first.
P.s We are 2-0 in July if the score stay likes this…Good start.
amen too that!
Tatis came through big for you today.
Who knows about everything else because only one variable was played. And lets see the pen hold onto this one first. I agree with you about Reed’s role anyway…
from earlier, Tatis was pretty bad from 2000 to 2006. That’s a significant track record. Expecting him to return to that norm would be realistic.
Oh I agree – I was arguing that Tatis should be in the lineup with a lefty on the mound. I dont want him in there everyday
alright, all this agreeing is making me a little uncomfortable…
Yeesh… nice one, Pedro.
haha It’s okkk – only one run with no one on base
My god,…it Tatis again! That’s it keep drilling him in the hammy prior to every start!
My man TATIS! I’m telling ya… Murphy and Reed come off the bench especially against a left handed pitcher starting. Tatis will start coming around again. Murphy is a solid pinch hitter and Reed a very solid late inning replacement.
Through 5 IP so far the pen has allowed 2 hits and 2 walks. (plus 2 HBP) Terrific job by most, solid overall. Lets nail this thing down… Frankie can do 4 outs saves right?
Nick Evans let me introduce you to a big league slider… geeze
Well 8-8 was certainly unexpected…ouch
Change “unexpected” to “expected” and you’re spot on.
Jesus Frankie! your killing me!
Bartender!
Better make it a double!
Brutal. A big hang with ‘em for all Mets fans
Wow. Just…wow.
I guess LaRoche forgot he’s not still on the Braves.
Pretty sad that I’m numb to this team letting me down… It’s like I expect this sh*t to happen
Ditto!
I completely agree. I knew this game was miles away from over, and wasn’t the slightest bit surprised by what happened.
…can we active Oliver Perez befor the 12th inning…
WHy, so he can walk in the winning run? lol
better than putting Johan or Livan out there when they run out of relievers…
Great, K-Rod. You picked a GREAT time to blow another one.
I wonder if Johan will find a way to blame FMart for this.
I’m pretty sure this team just likes to mess with us.
So he’s blowing what, 15% of his save opportunities? Great. Another in a long line of disappointments.
New York DisappointMets.
You can’t make this stuff up if you tried.
called this earlier (not here, but IRL to my buddy at work) – specifically that it would be on k-rod
the real pleasure of following this team is predicting exactly how they’re going to F you and then seeing how close you are to the truth
Parnell is the only reliever who hasn’t pitched yet, Johan Santana would be the starter who is on his throw day but I doubt we see him in relief.
if the game goes on.. Nieve or Livan maybe?
And of course, Fernando Martinez is in the cleanup spot between Wright and Tatis. Schneider is the only position player on the bench.
In what may have been a very fortunate move, Buffalo was rained out today meaning that Figueroa didn’t make his start and could be called up.
He won’t use a starter. They will just essentially give up the game. Parnell will pitch til the Pirates score.
not the worst way to play it…
correction, Schneider was used actually so they have no position players left… and Tatis is the emergency catcher so he can’t come out anyway…
u guys are flipping out…mets can easily still win
But they never win easily… maybe three times all year. Its always gut wrenching with this group.
I don’t care what David Wright’s bizarrely-misleading average says, he is an unmitigated mess.
That AB against Capps was worthy of a high school player. He took three straight fastballs he could have hammered over the wall, then swings at a ball in his eyes for the painfully-predictable leadoff K.
This team is just a pure, unadulterated disaster for the same reasons they have been for 2 1/2 years. They have no approach to any situation. This game is unwinnable – we’re going to end up forfeiting for lack of pitchers if nothing else, because these jokers will never score a run, not if their pitching gave them another 9 innings.
Agree
Oops.
Nice work Churchie. At least he is coming around, and that’s two games in a row driving in the go-ahead run.
Please Nick, get him in and give Parnell – anohter mess lately – some cushion.
Baloney, send k-rod out there to clean up his own mess!
I didn’t figure Jerry would give him another inning, but I agree.
You’re being ridiculous. They are not a “pure unadulterated disaster.” The 22-54 Washington Nationals are a “pure unadulterated disaster.” The 1962 and 1993 Mets were a “pure unadulterated disaster.” This team is just what their record says they are: Slightly worse than average.
Oh Toasty, that’s just it. Sometimes I’d almost rather they just be bad than tantalizingly maddening.
This will be a nice win, especially if the one guy in the chain who failed (aside from Redding) comes through now.
The problem is that their losses have been of the unbelievably gut-wrenching variety, so it makes it seem like their record is actually a lot worse than it actually is. That Castillo drop felt like 5 losses instead of just one.
Of course…but they were also what, 9-18 in June? So their record has stunk for awhile.
It’s not even that their losses are gut-wrenching, so many of them are just so…winnable. If not for just a little more consistent execution.
I’ll take 2-0 in July though, and on paper you have to like the matchups in Philly, especially with new-Met-killer Ibanez out.
I love the Mets, but I loathe this current team. They bring nothing but boredom at best and pure misery at worst.
This is the exact reason why the mets never go anywhere. When one part of the team is doing good the other part f up. It’s been like this since ‘07 you’ll see when the guys come back from the dl, the pitching will go in a rut. It’s the same story with this team
Well it does take a special team to overcome a 5-run deficit and blow a 3-run lead in the span of 5 innings.
Let’s try to keep the blown saves at 1 for today.
yes, lets
Uh-oh, this is no longer a save situation for KRod…
frankie for one more or parnell?
Frankie I hope!
so…is everyone still in a bad mood or no?
There’s a long way to go.
church has been huge lately…so i wonder if jerry will bench him once the regulars come back
Jerry seems to have moved on to Reed as the guy he refuses to play annd let get into any kind of groove.
expect to see tatis in sheffield in RF tomorrow for church.
sorry meant to say tatis OR sheffield
So who’s the closer tomorrow?
One game ata time my man!
Finally!, Now we can debate who closes tommorow! lol
Does anyone think I could get the Mets to pay for my rogaine?
Hey, why not send them a bill, If they can’t spend the big money on a #2 Starter or a big bat atleast they should pay for all the Rogaine , Counciling, Alcohol, and anything else we might need to avoid a nervous breakdown watching this team!
Man, I’m listening on the radio – that was one of the weakest game-ending calls I’ve ever heard from Mr. Wayne Hagin. No juice whatsoever. Howie would’ve blown a gasket with a “put it in the books!!!” right there.
Hagin is just killing time until the Cardinals invite him back. This team still needs a solid #2 in the radio booth. After growing up with Murphy-Thorne and Murphy-Cohen, the Hagin and McCarthy experiments have been so substandard – and have been insults to Howie’s great work.
If nothing else, just dial up some old Met. Franco does a decent job with MLB radio.
I actually don’t mind Hagin – true, he’s not a great play-by-play guy, but he knows the game inside and out. Better at color work.
Ladys and gentleman please repeat after me “Fernando Tatis!” for all of you that doubted him he won the game for us today.
I’ve doubted him. Would be a great time for him to heat up. I’m reminded of alot of my anti-Jose Valentin rants of early 2006…
AAAh, not bad for a rookie! lol J/K Hopefully it continues as we badly need someone with some pop to get hot! I do however refuse to give Jerry credit at this point! I refuse!
If u guys didn’t know there is a new post up.