Comments on: Post Game: Dodgers 8 Mets 0 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hubie http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-579048 Hubie Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:29:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-579048 Why the heck would you want to trade for a pitcher that will turn 33 next year and has logged over 2000 ip. Forget about Halladay. It would only kae sense to get him as the final piece for 2009, but he's not a building block going forward. Why the heck would you want to trade for a pitcher that will turn 33 next year and has logged over 2000 ip. Forget about Halladay. It would only kae sense to get him as the final piece for 2009, but he’s not a building block going forward.

]]> By: metsfan1 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-579014 metsfan1 Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:27:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-579014 The sad thing for the Mets is that I think the fans are becoming apathetic. We have blown 2 leads the past two years and speaking to Mets friends of mine we just want them to fade away and die so we aren't put through more September misery. I agree with Omar that what is being offered is not as good as his injured players. However, if they are out for the rest of the year, anything is better than nothing. I have said it a million times lately, I don't want the Mets making any desperation trades. Let it play out and start over next year (with a new GM and manager). The only trade I would go for would be for starting pitching (Halliday) as long as we sign him for additional years. Not a rental. That way we would have a solid 1-2 punch. Otherwise, let the season go, see if we can hang in there and make major off-season moves incuding the front office. It is time for a cultural change in Queens. If Boston can sustain a high payroll while developing the minors, so can the Mets. I just don't think Omar is the guy to do it because he always wants to make a splash and has given away the farm to do it. The sad thing for the Mets is that I think the fans are becoming apathetic. We have blown 2 leads the past two years and speaking to Mets friends of mine we just want them to fade away and die so we aren’t put through more September misery.

I agree with Omar that what is being offered is not as good as his injured players. However, if they are out for the rest of the year, anything is better than nothing.

I have said it a million times lately, I don’t want the Mets making any desperation trades. Let it play out and start over next year (with a new GM and manager). The only trade I would go for would be for starting pitching (Halliday) as long as we sign him for additional years. Not a rental. That way we would have a solid 1-2 punch. Otherwise, let the season go, see if we can hang in there and make major off-season moves incuding the front office. It is time for a cultural change in Queens.

If Boston can sustain a high payroll while developing the minors, so can the Mets. I just don’t think Omar is the guy to do it because he always wants to make a splash and has given away the farm to do it.

]]> By: dykstraw http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-579013 dykstraw Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:25:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-579013 both. pelfrey is only a #2 starter in the eyes of the people who think murphy is a MLB starting 1B. both. pelfrey is only a #2 starter in the eyes of the people who think murphy is a MLB starting 1B.

]]> By: Razor Shines http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-579006 Razor Shines Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:07:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-579006 Two weeks ago I was blue in the face saying we needed a bat like Dunn and we probably had to overpay to get him because this team will be in trouble. The argument back was consistently that one guy will not replace three guys. I still don't understand that. Wright has hit the tank with no protection and the rest of the lineup has been exposed. I guess it isn't too late to get a bat now and give these guys something to play for, but I feel like the Mets could have won at least two games they lost with Dunn in the lineup instead of Tatis. Two weeks ago I was blue in the face saying we needed a bat like Dunn and we probably had to overpay to get him because this team will be in trouble. The argument back was consistently that one guy will not replace three guys. I still don’t understand that. Wright has hit the tank with no protection and the rest of the lineup has been exposed. I guess it isn’t too late to get a bat now and give these guys something to play for, but I feel like the Mets could have won at least two games they lost with Dunn in the lineup instead of Tatis.

]]> By: dminches http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-579002 dminches Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:44:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-579002 Let Murphy, Martinez and Evans play everyday to see if they are major leaguers. Tatis and Sheffield have no future with this team so sit them. There is nothing you can do about injuries. I just hope Minaya doesn't make a patchwork deal and give up prospects to make some fan happy. Let Murphy, Martinez and Evans play everyday to see if they are major leaguers. Tatis and Sheffield have no future with this team so sit them. There is nothing you can do about injuries. I just hope Minaya doesn’t make a patchwork deal and give up prospects to make some fan happy.

]]> By: jimyager http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-578996 jimyager Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:32:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-578996 Because the NL East is so BAD, there is only one way fo thr METS to make the playoffs, BEAT THE PHILLIES!! That aint gonna happen. I want to see the METS get swept, again, and lose bad. I hate to say it, but, Beltran looking at strike three in 2006 was our season. That sume it all up, close, but, not close enough. Omar, made a mistake when he did not dump Delgado. I find myself wanting the NATS to win. They have a better chancethan we do. DISGUSTED, FRUSTRATED, ANGRY, UPST, pick a word. Anything. At this point I turn on a game waiting for a loss, if, by some miracle we win, its a bonus. I have zero faith in these guys. I give up, like they did. Spare us the pian, and, please forfeit the rest of the season? Dont make us watch these awful games and hear the trash talk from other fans. Just start working on te future...hahahahah WHAT FUTURE? We had a future in 2006, 2007, 208 and 2009, and what did that get us? Because the NL East is so BAD, there is only one way fo thr METS to make the playoffs, BEAT THE PHILLIES!! That aint gonna happen. I want to see the METS get swept, again, and lose bad. I hate to say it, but, Beltran looking at strike three in 2006 was our season. That sume it all up, close, but, not close enough. Omar, made a mistake when he did not dump Delgado. I find myself wanting the NATS to win. They have a better chancethan we do. DISGUSTED, FRUSTRATED, ANGRY, UPST, pick a word. Anything. At this point I turn on a game waiting for a loss, if, by some miracle we win, its a bonus. I have zero faith in these guys. I give up, like they did. Spare us the pian, and, please forfeit the rest of the season? Dont make us watch these awful games and hear the trash talk from other fans. Just start working on te future…hahahahah WHAT FUTURE? We had a future in 2006, 2007, 208 and 2009, and what did that get us?

]]> By: KickedintheMetsiclesAgain http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-578995 KickedintheMetsiclesAgain Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:01:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-578995 The last round of starts by starting pitchers (other than Johan) has been horrendous. When you have an offense already with one arm and both legs tied behind their backs, you can't afford this kind of starting pitching. Is this really our SP finally falling back to earth? Or are these pitchers feeling the pressure of no offensive support, trying to be too fine and in the process imploding like we seen this passed week? The last round of starts by starting pitchers (other than Johan) has been horrendous. When you have an offense already with one arm and both legs tied behind their backs, you can’t afford this kind of starting pitching.

Is this really our SP finally falling back to earth? Or are these pitchers feeling the pressure of no offensive support, trying to be too fine and in the process imploding like we seen this passed week?

]]> By: KickedintheMetsiclesAgain http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-578994 KickedintheMetsiclesAgain Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:57:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-578994 Too bad making the playoffs is not like the NYC Marathon. With the NYC Marathon, if you did not earn or win a race entry, you could choose to join a charity and gain entrance that way. To me, the Mets have been great hosts/guests to other teams (not scoring runs, giving extra outs) .... some would call that being charitable. If only that was enough to make the playoffs, we would not have to worry about playing .700 baseball. Too bad making the playoffs is not like the NYC Marathon. With the NYC Marathon, if you did not earn or win a race entry, you could choose to join a charity and gain entrance that way.

To me, the Mets have been great hosts/guests to other teams (not scoring runs, giving extra outs) …. some would call that being charitable.

If only that was enough to make the playoffs, we would not have to worry about playing .700 baseball.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-578991 Andrew Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:58:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-578991 By the way, Nichols, Pelfrey threw 95 pitches (with a not-very-good ratio of 53 strikes and 42 balls) and walked three guys in three innings. How does this strike you as him having good location? By the way, Nichols, Pelfrey threw 95 pitches (with a not-very-good ratio of 53 strikes and 42 balls) and walked three guys in three innings. How does this strike you as him having good location?

]]> By: Andrew http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/07/post-game-dodgers-8-mets-0/#comment-578990 Andrew Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:44:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/?p=38200#comment-578990 It's over for this year. I'm attached to Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana, Feliciano, K-Rod. Sheffield is useful for this year, Cora too. Cora, I think, has another year on his contract, so I guess he can stick around for '10. And I do still believe in Maine, so I guess keep him too. Everyone else needs to go. Some of our pen pieces and Church might attract some decent prospect types. Livan could be a useful piece for a team that thinks it's in contention. Maybe someone will take on Ollie if we pay half his salary. Maybe someone will take on Castillo after a less-bad 2009 season and with only two more years left on his deal. We need to get a true cleanup hitter, and not an old, washed-up one. Delgado's presence is missed, but Delgado will probably never be himself again. We also need an outfielder with speed and some pop (read: Alex Rios) to hit behind Reyes. The Astros would probably part with Roy Oswalt after this year because they need to cut salary and shake up their team. If he'd accept a trade to NY, he'd be a good #2 starter. If you can get him and Carlos Lee together, you've solved two major problems. With the Mets paying the contracts, you might be able to get those two for nothing more than F-Mart and a couple lower-end prospects like Reese Havens and Murphy/Evans. Niese is also a good piece to get a trade like this done. Next year, Thole needs to be given every chance to win the starting catcher's job out of spring training, and Brad Holt needs to be in competition for a rotation spot. Can sign Adam LaRoche for not very much and slot him in like sixth. Also Ty Wigginton will be a FA and would be a nice addition to the bench. Holliday will be expensive, but Jason Bay will be a free agent too unless the Sox sign him to an extension. He'd be a better fit than Holliday, I feel. So if you can somehow swing a Carlos Lee trade and sign Bay and LaRoche and Orlando Hudson while dumping Castillo, you have a projected 2010 starting lineup of: Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Lee, Bay, LaRoche, Hudson, Thole. That'll have us cookin' with fire. It’s over for this year.

I’m attached to Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana, Feliciano, K-Rod. Sheffield is useful for this year, Cora too. Cora, I think, has another year on his contract, so I guess he can stick around for ’10. And I do still believe in Maine, so I guess keep him too.

Everyone else needs to go. Some of our pen pieces and Church might attract some decent prospect types. Livan could be a useful piece for a team that thinks it’s in contention. Maybe someone will take on Ollie if we pay half his salary. Maybe someone will take on Castillo after a less-bad 2009 season and with only two more years left on his deal.

We need to get a true cleanup hitter, and not an old, washed-up one. Delgado’s presence is missed, but Delgado will probably never be himself again. We also need an outfielder with speed and some pop (read: Alex Rios) to hit behind Reyes.

The Astros would probably part with Roy Oswalt after this year because they need to cut salary and shake up their team. If he’d accept a trade to NY, he’d be a good #2 starter. If you can get him and Carlos Lee together, you’ve solved two major problems. With the Mets paying the contracts, you might be able to get those two for nothing more than F-Mart and a couple lower-end prospects like Reese Havens and Murphy/Evans. Niese is also a good piece to get a trade like this done.

Next year, Thole needs to be given every chance to win the starting catcher’s job out of spring training, and Brad Holt needs to be in competition for a rotation spot.

Can sign Adam LaRoche for not very much and slot him in like sixth. Also Ty Wigginton will be a FA and would be a nice addition to the bench.

Holliday will be expensive, but Jason Bay will be a free agent too unless the Sox sign him to an extension. He’d be a better fit than Holliday, I feel.

So if you can somehow swing a Carlos Lee trade and sign Bay and LaRoche and Orlando Hudson while dumping Castillo, you have a projected 2010 starting lineup of: Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Lee, Bay, LaRoche, Hudson, Thole.

That’ll have us cookin’ with fire.

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