|
|
|
Yesterday, Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com quoted Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi as saying, though his team is not necessarily shopping RHP Roy Halladay, he is open to listening to offers.
According to Ken Davidoff in Newsday, who talked with Ricciardi, “Halladay is signed through next year, and there’s very little 
chance that he’ll stick with the Jays after that. Toronto is not going to make the playoffs this year. So, he’ll listen to offers.”
…in other words, i bet j.p.’s phone has not stopped ringing in the last 24 hours…
Yesterday, in a poll on MetsBlog.com, 54 percent of people who voted said they would trade Fernando Martinez, Wilmer Flores and Brad Holt for Halladay.
Davidoff expects the Mets and Yankees to engage the Jays regarding Halladay, though he believes there is little chance of either team making such an acquisition.
That said, last week, in a report for the Globe and Mail of Toronto, Jeff Blair said the Jays will essentially give away Alex Rios or Vernon Wells, so long as it saves them money to help re-sign Halladay.
The 28–year-old Rios is hitting .260 with 10 HR, and ended the last two seasons hitting roughly .290, with around 15 stolen bases, 15 HR, 80 RBI and 40 doubles.
…i have to think, if the Jays trade Halladay, they’ll just end up keeping rios, since the whole reason behind trading rios would be to help keep Halladay… that said, like several people e-mailed me saying yesterday, i wonder if the Mets would be more able to acquire Halladay if they were also willing to take on the five-year, $60 million left on rios’s contract… or, does that defeat the point for ricciardi…
By the way, according to Jim Salisbury of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Phillies have already been in contact with the Blue Jays.
why not get all three?
Two words:………Bernard Madoff!……..lol
Because people may not realize this, but Vernon Wells is scheduled to make an incredible $22 million PER YEAR in 2011 and 2012.
yeah I know, that really is a bad contract. Good player, but not for that price.
Seemed like a good idea when they signed him to the deal but he has just dropped off the Earth
when halliday is a phillie, what’s the over/under on pitches it will take him to CG/SHO these mets at citi field?
65?
wow i dont know i think i may take the under but either way the CG/SO’s will be routine when we face him.
im not expecting the mets to get halladay. However, Omar has one very important job here, to make sure the phillies do not get Roy Halladay. If Doc Halladay ends up in Philly Omar should be fired as soon as the trade is made official.
what do you want him to do? hijack the plane he’s on?
SNAKES ON A PLANE!!
“Hey Omar, good job on “letting” Halladay go to Philly. We’re the least likely team he is going to come to, so what were you thinking? You couldve traded Reyes, Fmart, and Holt for him, why not create more holes? jeez Omar, you’re fired.”
There is no way he is going to Philly. They cannot afford him. He is going to demand a new contract as a condition of his trade and there is no way the Phils are going to offer a 32 year old pitcher Santana/Sabbathia money. If they did it would pretty much guarantee Howard is gone next year. Even with shedding Howard’s $15 mil they still couldnt afford him. They would have to trade Utley or Rollins too
Matt:
Your poll below can be misinterpreted. I see there is a consistent 44% vote for cutting bait and rebuilding. I know I voted that way as well.
But let me tell you why.
First, I view 2009 as a non-post season year. The returnee’s from the DL will not return fast enough to make a difference, even though there could be some fun spoiler games at the end of the season.
Second, I think most fans view (i) Delgado as a goner anway, meaning we have to get a new first baseman now or at a minimum prior to the start of the 2010 season, (ii) Putz was a renta-player, he was acquired for 2009 only (although he has an option which the Mets hold, the price is too hight for an 8th inning guy), (iii) Wagner contract is up, he is also gone, (iv) although Castillo is having a pleasant year he is not dazzling anyone, fans would prefer trading him given that ODog will be a free agent next year and have indicated a desire to play in NY, if Castillo can be traded do it, (vi) veterans Livan Herndandez and Tim Redding were stop gaps/inning eaters for this year, comparable arms could be found next off season, and if there is value there to bring back from fuel for the minors, they should go, (vii) Schneider is an average catcher (even with his recent power surge) and his contract is up at the end of the season. Most fans would like to new catcher though I have none to suggest. If Schneider can be traded for farm hands get it done and replace him in the offseason, (viii) Tatis was a great story last year, but he has not done much this year, and should be gone in 2010. If he can bring back value, get it done, and (ix) Murphy, nice and young, but a man with no position on the Mets. if a power met is needed as we all acknowledge, the player must play first base of outfield. If it is first base, then Murphy is a man with no position. he is young and would do better on a team with an open position that he could man.
Again, fans are not really quitting. They view 2009 as a non-postseason year and recognize the need to fill positions and replenish the farm.
I feel like Murph is the only one you mentioned that has any value.
The exact reasons you use for the players we dont want are probably the same reasons other teams wont want them.
Well, at a minimum, if they return to form, Delgado, Putz, Wags may be attractive to a team for post-season push.
And Murphy, because he is young and can hit may be attractive.
Castillo is also a solid back up.
As for the others (Livan/Redding/Schneider/Tatis), I agree hard sell though Livan as been a pleasant surprise for this season.
I agree on Murph, sadly that guy has been jerked around so many times this season how can they possibly expect him to be consistent? We truly won’t know what we have in him untill he’s given consistent playing time at a position he’s confident at. I disagree with “KIcked” on the fact that the power bat we sorely need has to play 1B or the outfield, who cares where they play as long as they hit, hit, hit, in fact the only places I think you can rule out is 3B, P, CF. I don’t list S.S. because frankly I don’t know what to do with Jose Reyes! I love the player, but for all the talent he has, between the mental mistakes, the lack of maturity, and lack of him reaching the ceiling he seemed so destined to reach has made him lose some of his luster in my eyes (and I would bet I’m not alone) I still don’t know if I would trade him though barring a truly blockbuster deal! He is still cheap and it would be tough to replace his defense as we have ever so painfully seen! (not to knock Cora because all things considered he done far more than can be expected.) But he simply does not have the range or the athleticism that a Healthy Jose Reyes does. Complicating things further is I don’t know if we could even trade Reyes in the off-season as we are basically looking at having to replace: Delgados bat somewhere (be it OF or 1B) Church, Schneider, Sheffield, Tatis, Livan Hernandez, and the list goes on and on.
I think Met fans are the only ones who think Murphy has value
If the Phils get Halladay….forgetaboutit…Division Champs for them, 3 to 4 more yeears in a row. They’ll be the Braves of the 90s.
3 to 4 years? more like 1 year, then Doc blows his arm out.
He’s a great pitcher, but I worry about trading the farm AND signing him to $100 + million to a then 33 year old with 2,000 IP.
completely unsubstantiated but just my opinion.
If they get Halladay, I give them a division lock for this year only.
Next year is a different story, and if the Mets retool over the winter and avoid the injury bug next year, they can be just as good or better than the Phillies.
How about Pelfrey, Parnell, Murphy, Holt and Flores for Halladay and Rios? Think that’s close to getting it done?
I would do that trade.
Unfortunately Halladay has a no-trade and I wonder if he would nix a trade to a non-contender. The Mets are more non-contender than contender right now.
I believe I heard in passing on the radio this morning he wants to stay in Toronto and not be traded so chances are he might not even be traded.
that’s not bad actually, but i don’t think the mets want to give up on pelf
I would not make that deal. That would set the Mets back…IMO.
I agree, even if the trade went through you’d still have to resign him after 2010. The Mets have far too many holes to tie up that much green in Roy Halladay. What we need is some actuall offense on the field so the starters don’t feel they are forced to throw a 3 hitter every game! That alone would make a tremendous difference! Pelfrey’s got the stuff to dominate, but when the staff as a hole is pitching to avoid contact because of the AAA lineup the Mets are sporting, nothing good comes from that and that certainly is not Pelfreys game, nor should it be any pitcher who starts in Citifield!
The Mets don’t have the chips to trade for anyone who would help right now, not unless they completely unload the farm system which is not happening. The only thing they can do is take on a bad contract, like a Rios, but don’t know how much that would help. There biggest chip IMO is Putz, if he comes back and is back to form the mets and pick up the option (which they should do regardless IMO) and trade him as a top end closer. Say to Tampa Bay.
Pelfrey is a head case and just not a very intelligent pitcher…I would trade him in a heartbeat if we got any value for him…
Has anyone brought up the idea of maybe moving Beltran to another position? Maybe first base?
He is losing too much time to injuries that affect his legs. Perhaps in a less demanding position not requiring so much of his legs, he would be playing more. He is also getting older. Moreover, it appears this latest injury may take months and months to heal.
What if they moved him to first base? Then sign Holliday over the winter and let either Pagan or F-Mart play center next year? Keep Church in RF. Let Evans be the backup for both 1st and the outfield.
Just a thought. The idea being to maximize the amount of offensive production from Beltran for the rest of his contract. We see now how critical his bat has been. Before he went on the DL, they were at least competitive. As soon as he left, that’s when the injuries reached a critical point and offensive production has really dropped.
Beltran’s bat is much more important than his CF defense. Any thoughts?
that’s a thought, i just don’t think beltran would agree to such a move, but i like the idea
Of course you bring it up to him and Boras first and then let them decide. Leave it totally up to them.
I just want to keep Beltran off the DL in the future as much as possible. I think it’s his absence that is really killing this team right now.
Frankly it does’nt matter if Beltran likes the move or not! Likewise with his agent, the most Beltran could do about it is request a trade that he knows full well isn’t likely to happen given the size of his contract. That said, I don’t think it’s in the best interest of the Mets to put him at first base as he will likely struggle there defensively as well as being unhappy at the position. Alot of people seem to think that first base is the catch all for aging players. But frankly 1B is alot harder to play than one might imagine. It’s not just sticking you glove out when the ball is thrown. There is footwork, and hops, bounces, timing, double plays and the like that very few career outfielders could perform well. Combine that with an unhappy gold glove CF and that offensive production is likely to suffer, which defeats the purpose entirely!
Well, the whole point of asking him first is to make sure he’s happy with a move. So I wouldn’t consider it unless he’s fully on board. Assuming he is, then you don’t have an unhappy Beltran to deal with. He may look at it as prolonging his career. Look at what happened to Bernie Williams when he could no longer play CF or even LF and RF.
They should consider it. If they leave him in CF and we just see a lot more DL stints in the future, the club is gong to suffer again. Who knows? He might be good defensively there. He’s a good natural athlete to begin with so that helps. You never know if you don’t try.
Which is why you would propose it to him instead of forcing him to make the move. I do not think he would go for it through as he looked pretty uncomfortable in the infield the few times he was brought in to play 5 infielder. Guy probably never played anything other than CF.
you have some good points, but I think it would be a corner OF spot before 1B
That said, he still is one of best defensive CF in the game. And was huge for us last year when Church was down and we had two youngins manning both corner spots. He covers A LOT of ground out there and makes the OF as a whole that much better. CF defense is very important now with our new expansive outfield.
A corner OF position would be better too. Anything that would put less stress on his legs.
I know he’s one of the best CFers defensively, but you can get that more easily on the market than his bat. If he’s on the DL, he can’t help in any capacity. And I fear DL visits would be more frequent in the future if he stays in CF.
I would like to know exactly what Toronto wants for Rios. If it is, take the money and you can have him or give up good prospects and they pay the contract. If we were to give up Murph and another prospect and pay half, would that get it done?
agreed, I would really like to know the asking price. I dont mind having to pay that contract, he still is young and very talented. He’s having a trouble year, but he’s a very good all around OF and has played CF in Toronto at times. could be very useful right about now.
well you dont mind spending the wilpons money, but the wilpons and omar already seem to have said they arent taking on ridiculous contracts like his anymore(thx ollie and castillo)