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Last night, Livan Hernandez allowed eight runs and 11 hits in just four innings in a loss to the Dodgers.
Hernandez allowed seven runs and 10 hits in his previous start, and three runs in the first inning against the Yankees in the start before that.
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, courtesy of ESPN.com, Hernandez is the first pitcher in Mets history to allow three or more first-inning runs in three successive starts, which no major-league pitcher had done since Mike O’Connor for the Nationals in July 2006.
…exactly… he gets totally roughed up early, of late, and though he finds a groove and gets back on track, with this Mets offense, it’s too little too late…
In his last three starts, he has a 30.00 ERA.
Jerry Manuel, on the state of the rotation, said last night:
“I’ll say this, over the break, we’ll decide what the rotation is going to be… We’ll just have to take a good look at it and see which direction we’re going to go. I’m not saying somebody is in or somebody is out. I’m just saying that we’re going to take a look at it.”
…manuel keeps saying, as long as the team gets good pitching, they have a chance to win every night… livan is not even giving them that of late… the reality is, for whatever reason, the Mets are 2–8 in his 
last 10 starts… and so, again, given the lack of offense, the Mets need to do something to give themselves a better chance…
…i bet the Mets go with Johan Santana, Oliver Perez, Mike Pelfrey, Jon Niese and Nelson Figueroa following the All-Star break, since it seems like the Fernando Nieve Show is coming to a close as well…
Niese has a 1.04 ERA in his last six starts for Triple-A Buffalo, where Figueroa has seven consecutive quality starts and a 2.50 ERA.
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as Pedro leads the Phillies to another championship
Really? How did that work out for the Mets?
I obviously dont think that will happen, but would anyone be surprised if it did?
I am incredibly excited though to see Nelson Figueroa locking down that 5th spot if Matt’s prediction holds true
If anything Pedro will just help the phillies win a few extra games in the regular season that they might have lost with another 5th starter but thats all. He won’t pitch at all during the postseason.
I agree that that is the probably scenario, all im saying is met fans should be able to picture him on the mound either eliminating the Mets from the postseason or in a deciding world series game for the phils.
And as a Met fan i wouldn’t be surprised in the least
Emotionally, I already have the Mets eliminated from the postseason – makes games like last night’s easier to watch (for a little while anyway).
The Mets and several other teams watched Pedro down in the DR and it seems only the Phillies are desperate enough for him – and even they seem to be hedging their bets as they want to watch him a second time before committing. I take this as a sign they are having trouble finding pitching help through the market.
I would be awfully surprised if the Phillies pull some sort of blockbuster trade involving Halladay or Oswalt. When in their 127 year history were they ever known for pulling off blockbuster trades?
PEDRO is a worm, he goes with our #1 enemy. They gave him the re$pect that he wanted. I still think we should have signed him. We will find out if Im right or wrong soon enough. Pedro brings alot to the team and “fun” in the dugout. He really loosens things up and has an effect on the young guys. I hope it does not backfire on us. Now we need to get ROY !!!!! Then we can all close the books on 2009 and look ahead to 2011 !!!!!
What happened to 2010?
I would like to see that rotation, but more for the sake of change than any higher expectations. Figueroa is a nice story and he has some talent, but really we should not expect him to be any better than Nieve or Livan. I am curious to see what Niese can do.
Any chance Nieve goes to the Bullpen maybe replacing Stokes? I’m not saying stokes isn’t talented, but its like every time he goes out he finds a way to get hit. And people wonder why he is the lost man.
Who on here thinks there’s a bit more than the starting rotation that should be re-thought?
The Wilpons should rethink owning the team
The new owner should rethink his entire front office
The new general manager should rethink the medical staff, manager, coaches, and entire minor league system
The new assistant to the general manager should rethink opening his mouth to players
The new manager and coaches should rethink how to play like big leaguers and use strategy before and during games that makes sense to anyone other than themselves
The players should rethink how to pitch, run bases, catch, throw, hit, hit with RISP, and hit with a little power
If all this happens well be fine
I would love to wake up one morning and read that the Wilpons sold the Mets. They aren’t cheap, just incompetent.
Maybe Jerry Seinfeld and Jon Stewart can get together and make them an offer. I’d love to see the Mets owned by true Mets fans rather than someone who wishes they were the Brooklyn Dodgers.
im just having one of those days where im fed up with this entire organization. I agree though, if Met fans owned this team there would at least be some accountability.
The Wilpons, while I agree are not cheap, for years have trusted this team to the wrong people. Thats what I wish would end
In looking back over the past 5 years or so, think Nelson Doubleday was the only thing standing between Fred and his vision of the Mets as the Brooklyn Dodgers. Now that Doubleday is gone, Fred is free to do what he wants and make Jeffy the heir apparent to continue his wonderful legacy.
We (as fans) are screwed.
yeah, and if you remember, when Wilpon took sole ownership the media billed it as a blessing because Wilpon was held back from making good baseball decisions and spending money by doubleday in the later years.
Eh, not so much
Oh well. There’s gotta be another Bernie Madoff out there somewhere!
The Wilpons should rethink the managers position. Jerry is a Clown with a losers mentality. He has to go…
We will never win anything with him at the helm.
True but it seems as if the Wilpons have already written off this season. So they’ll keep Jerry around and give him his walking papers in November – at least I’m hoping they do.
Johan-Ollie-Pelfrey-Niese-Figgy makes total sense for now. As does dumping Argenis and Tatis in favor of Gruz and someone like a Josh Willingham. YES- these moves WILL help a bit, and won’t cost anything.
I would rather have 24 men on the roster than acknowledge that Argenis Reyes is one of our 25 best players. This guys makes Kevin Elster and Rafael santana look like Albert Pujols
You do realize that when Jerry pinch-hit Argenis for Livan last night, he was putting up a .075 hitter to bat for a .125 hitter! LOL
I thought Argenis was sent down to AAA after Tuesday’s game?
Was sent down Sunday, but brought back up because of F-Mart’s bad knee
Holy crap
Might as well give Niese 12 straight starts and see what we have.
I am not quite ready to give up on Nieve.
Do people really think that Niese turned the corner? I saw him last year and was not impressed. Unless he had really found himself, I am not eager to see him.
And as far as Livan goes. Remember, despite his early success, he is our 5th starter. Though, true, he is also suppose to be an inning eater. He have not been good enough lately to eat those innings.
To be honest, I think the allstar break will do everyone well. It wont change the roster which is woefully lacking ML quality talent, but it may give players a chance to catch their breath.
And Angel Pagan should be back after the ASB. He’s not Beltran, Delgado or Reyes – but he’s miles better than Argenis.
And maybe Maine will be back the week after that.
The Mets next play the Phillies around Aug 21 at Citi. My hope is the full team is back by then and they pound on the Phillies – just to prove to them (and us) that they would have kicked their butts in a fair fight.
Wishful and naive thinking. Why in the world would you keep Argenis and Tatis on this roster??
DWright should sit his @ss at home and not go anywhere near the all star game. He should not leave his apartment. He needs this break more then anyone.
Team first David….
I agree he needs the break desperately, but maybe being with stars from the other teams and being on a team that stands a chance of winning may be good for him.
He is a team first player all the way, maybe too much sometimes.
To reiterate and I don’t recall who they were but there was more than one commenter on Metsblog last September calling for A. Reyes to start at second over Castillo every day because they felt he worked better with J. Reyes. When it was brought up that that was ridiculous and that Argenis is not a major league level hitter, those same commenters stated “who cares?”
There is zero chance Livan is out of the rotation. There is also zero chance Nelson figureora is in the rotation. Thats using common sense which is not what the Mets do.
Livan is most definetly the #5 starter in the 2nd half. And the only way he loses that spot is if he gets bombed another 3 or 4 starts, the mets trade him or trade for someone.
The mets should give his spot to Neise or trade for someone to take his spot but they wont. He is a good #5 starter on a good team. until this team is 100% healthy he is a big liability.
I agee with that new rotation for a while. I like it a lot better than what we have now. No way Stokes losing his bullpen spot as somebody suggested. Even if Nieve goes to the pen we have scrubs like Pat Misch and Elmer Dessens and Redding who should all go before Stokes. Redding should be released, he’s awful.
Like I said above, no way Livan is out.
With that said, Misch has pitched well and is left handed, he should stay. If we are going to bring up Figgy and niese (not likely) then Livan should be released and Dessens DFA. When Maine comes back you either DFA Redding or Figgy.
I disagree on Livan , I think he’s headed for the bullpen in the short term and possibly a trade before the deadline (although I dunno what we might get for him (other than foul line chalk) Redding has looked worse in the bullpen than he did in the rotation, and that we can agree is not a pretty sight. (Time to cut bait on that guy) Dessens, likely will be sent down, unless Omar finds a home for Mr. Stokes. I’m not ready to give up on Nieve just yet, he did give the Mets a chance to win his last two times out even though he wasn’t his stellar self. I think Niece gets the call, at this point does it matter as long as Livan isn’t in there.
BOBBY V. YOU’RE OUR ONLY HOPE!!!
I second that
I don’t know that even Bobby V could win with this team as currently constructed, but atleast the lineup would be more consistent and actually make sense. And the pointless errors would be irradicated in short order!