Comments on: Note: State of the Mets http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:41:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: thedude http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581471 thedude Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:39:35 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581471 Just a great job by Rubin. Glad the media is finally coming around to what a lot of us have known for a long time. Under Minaya, this organization has been an absolute joke. No player development, no continuity, no long-term plan. But hey, we got a guy with a .282 on-base percentage, so all is fixed! Just a great job by Rubin.

Glad the media is finally coming around to what a lot of us have known for a long time. Under Minaya, this organization has been an absolute joke. No player development, no continuity, no long-term plan.

But hey, we got a guy with a .282 on-base percentage, so all is fixed!

]]> By: Constnza81 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581467 Constnza81 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:33:35 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581467 I was one of the most passionate Minaya defenders on this site for a long time. For me, I always wanted to reserve judgement on some of his trades and signings, and to this day I think some of the deals that get slammed are a result of Monday-morning quarterbacking, but at the same time, I think the downward spiral of this year has exposed all of Minaya/Berenzard's shortcomings ... too much reliance on a small group of core players, not acquiring or developing any secondary players that could produce in a meaningful way (where would the Phils be without guys like Werth, Victorino, Madson etc), a developmental philosophy with the farm system that rushes players and has produced nothing but false expectations and a number of pitchers and hitters that can't get over the hump to be productive major leaguers, poor drafts, good, but not great international signings, poor medical staff, poor coaching hires, on and on and on.... I was one of the most passionate Minaya defenders on this site for a long time. For me, I always wanted to reserve judgement on some of his trades and signings, and to this day I think some of the deals that get slammed are a result of Monday-morning quarterbacking, but at the same time, I think the downward spiral of this year has exposed all of Minaya/Berenzard’s shortcomings … too much reliance on a small group of core players, not acquiring or developing any secondary players that could produce in a meaningful way (where would the Phils be without guys like Werth, Victorino, Madson etc), a developmental philosophy with the farm system that rushes players and has produced nothing but false expectations and a number of pitchers and hitters that can’t get over the hump to be productive major leaguers, poor drafts, good, but not great international signings, poor medical staff, poor coaching hires, on and on and on….

]]> By: KL15 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581457 KL15 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:00:29 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581457 *if* it's one thing to screw up, it's another when you screw up the correction. I think the Minaya/Bernazard way is starting to get to me. *if* it’s one thing to screw up, it’s another when you screw up the correction. I think the Minaya/Bernazard way is starting to get to me.

]]> By: KL15 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581456 KL15 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:59:27 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581456 *fans would be better off is the team completely fell apart* *fans would be better off is the team completely fell apart*

]]> By: KL15 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581454 KL15 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:58:41 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581454 If you're moving into the fire Minaya column please leave some room for me. I'm afraid you're right, I think the fans would be better off completely falling apart and cleaning house. I guess the saying "the only way to get rich quick is to get rich slowly" applies to baseball clubs as well. If you’re moving into the fire Minaya column please leave some room for me. I’m afraid you’re right, I think the fans would be better off completely falling apart and cleaning house. I guess the saying “the only way to get rich quick is to get rich slowly” applies to baseball clubs as well.

]]> By: cousinrk http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581453 cousinrk Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:47:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581453 That was one of the most disheartening articles I've read in a long time. That was painful. I've been moving into the fire Minaya column slowly for a while now but that article might have put me over the edge. Its one thing to make bad trades but the farm system and the medical inconsistencies...what exactly does Minaya and Bernazard do well? As horrible as it sounds for diehard mets fans like myself they would probably be better off completely falling apart the rest of the year and having the Wilpons clean house, get rid of all of management. I can't believe its come to this That was one of the most disheartening articles I’ve read in a long time. That was painful. I’ve been moving into the fire Minaya column slowly for a while now but that article might have put me over the edge. Its one thing to make bad trades but the farm system and the medical inconsistencies…what exactly does Minaya and Bernazard do well?

As horrible as it sounds for diehard mets fans like myself they would probably be better off completely falling apart the rest of the year and having the Wilpons clean house, get rid of all of management. I can’t believe its come to this

]]> By: KL15 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581449 KL15 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:35:57 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581449 One more thing Nelson Doubleday, where are you? One more thing Nelson Doubleday, where are you?

]]> By: KL15 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581448 KL15 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:33:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581448 WOW!! That's all I can say is wow. FIRE EVERYONE!! I cannot believe that the Wilpons aren't at least a little embarassed by this. Good Lord, if I were Jeff Wilpon, not only would I fire Omar Minaya and Tony Bernazard, I would RUIN both. I'd make absolutely sure they never worked in baseball again. How many times does someone have to screw it up or get it wrong before you get relieved of your job. "Earth to Fred and Jeff Wilpon" this is not the 90's. The game has changed and people like Theo Epstein are making mincemeat of your pathetic organization. It is now time to take your little ego's, put them in a box, put them on a shelf, and we'll get back to that later. You just built a new stadium and you were to wrapped up in yourself and had your nose too far up Minaya and Bernazard's @$$ to see the whole thing was falling apart, Great job guys, great job. How in the hell did you make it to the place you are at Fred? WOW!! That’s all I can say is wow. FIRE EVERYONE!! I cannot believe that the Wilpons aren’t at least a little embarassed by this. Good Lord, if I were Jeff Wilpon, not only would I fire Omar Minaya and Tony Bernazard, I would RUIN both. I’d make absolutely sure they never worked in baseball again. How many times does someone have to screw it up or get it wrong before you get relieved of your job. “Earth to Fred and Jeff Wilpon” this is not the 90’s. The game has changed and people like Theo Epstein are making mincemeat of your pathetic organization. It is now time to take your little ego’s, put them in a box, put them on a shelf, and we’ll get back to that later. You just built a new stadium and you were to wrapped up in yourself and had your nose too far up Minaya and Bernazard’s @$$ to see the whole thing was falling apart, Great job guys, great job. How in the hell did you make it to the place you are at Fred?

]]> By: Constnza81 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581442 Constnza81 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:11:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581442 I first picked up on this in 2006 when the Mets wouldn't commit initially to DLing Pedro and were even coy until the last minute that he wouldn't start opening day despite hardly pitching at all in ST. And of course Pedro would have the shoulder surgery that would change his career for good, maybe because he kept pitching on a sore heel/hip what have you. If the injury issues were just a 2009 thing, I could see people being understanding about this type of thing, but this has been a very distinctive thing since Omar took over.... and I think it's further enhanced by the team selling more tickets because of expectations/stadium nostalgia/new stadium. So thus, it all goes back to the Wilpons, like it forever will keep doing until they decide their Madoff loses were too much to continue owning a baseball team. I first picked up on this in 2006 when the Mets wouldn’t commit initially to DLing Pedro and were even coy until the last minute that he wouldn’t start opening day despite hardly pitching at all in ST. And of course Pedro would have the shoulder surgery that would change his career for good, maybe because he kept pitching on a sore heel/hip what have you.

If the injury issues were just a 2009 thing, I could see people being understanding about this type of thing, but this has been a very distinctive thing since Omar took over…. and I think it’s further enhanced by the team selling more tickets because of expectations/stadium nostalgia/new stadium. So thus, it all goes back to the Wilpons, like it forever will keep doing until they decide their Madoff loses were too much to continue owning a baseball team.

]]> By: Razor Shines http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581440 Razor Shines Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:10:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/07/12/note-state-of-the-mets/#comment-581440 Right, as I indicated, these guys are cheap yes men to upper management, who wants their stars in the lineup, not sitting with nagging injuries. Those nagging injuries get pushed and look what happens. Right, as I indicated, these guys are cheap yes men to upper management, who wants their stars in the lineup, not sitting with nagging injuries. Those nagging injuries get pushed and look what happens.

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