Adam Rubin, in a post to his blog in the Daily News, thinks that it would be irresponsible of the Mets if they were to make a trade this month.
…hard to argue with that right now…
Jay Schreiber, in his blog on the New York Times website, ressurects “Banner Day” for the Mets and has posted his list of winners submitted by readers.
Meanwhile, Ed at Mets Merized Online draws comparisons to the 1987 club and feels that this year’s team is “not dead yet”.
Kevin from Metsopolis finds a silver lining during this season which has not gone as planned.
Finally, check out Brooklyn Met Fan and Mets Today for more on last night’s game.
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We, as fans, have been discarded and forgotten like a used piece of meat by the Mets ownership. I helped pay for CitiField with my season’s tickets and mucho merchandise, and my level of satisfaction is almost zero.
Unfortunately your tickets and merchandise come with no guarantees, you nor I are obligated to buy anything Mets related, it is all a dice roll.
But I am certainly entitled to be unhappy. And when they come calling after these last three years, I am entitled to tell them no, I can’t do this anymore- I am not getting a return on my investment.
After 40 years of rooting for them, I’ll still love them to death, but they won’t get this much of my money.
sure, but you have not been discarded and forgotten, you make it seem as if the Mets intention was to screw you out of money, I think they would have liked Reyes, Beltran and Delgado to remain healthy, or at least two of them and perhaps a few prospects they believed in to not fall on their face in Martinez, Murphy and Evans.
This is where fandom becomes totally irrational, we are really “owed” nothing. Fans put money upfront on the belief that what they saw being structured to be put on the field was worth that risk.
I’d only argue that this being an entertainment business, people are not getting the value that they paid to see. Obviously you can’t predict injuries but the product on the field has failed to meet the cost of entertainment. Prices should be lowered to meet this value, but I can understand it not happening because you also pay for the atmosphere and quality of the location which, being a brand new stadium, isn’t too bad.
that may be true in perception, but in reality no entertainment business currently prices themselves on a day to day basis, I am willing to bet that next year for the Mets prices will not go down and there will not be a mass exodus of fans even if the season goes continues to underwhelm.
While I respect your opinion, you are being way too cerebral. I don’t “analyze” my fandom.
Very, very well said. I understand LRB’s frustration, but you summed it up perfectly, Patrick.
Rubin said it would be irresponsible to make a “buying” trade, not a selling trade.
Rubin’s right, and I was thinking about this last night. We should trade, but for some young guys. This season is pretty close to being flushed away so we should start thinking about the future.
I completely disagree that Rubin is right. If the Mets can make trades that provide them better talent no matter the feel of them buy or sell they should make them.
Frankly there is no one of consequence to sell from this team. You do not get worthwhile prospects for the players most fans would be willing to trade. The only members of the major league roster than have high value for prospects of consequence right now are Santana, Pelfrey, Wright, Rodriquez.
exactly…and those players aren’t going anywhere. The one chance we could have though is packaging a bunch of mid-level prospects or current roster scrubs for one player or prospect. Not saying that will happen, but thats the only chance we have at getting improved talent in return.
I have come to see the pundits wrong so many times, I will wait until the trade deadline comes and goes before sorting things out.
The Mets were able to be convinced of trading Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano.
The Twins had to settle for Carlos Gomez, Phil Humber, Kevin Mulvey and the guy I keep forgetting for Johan Santana.
As plugged in as the columnists and beat writers are, there is so much disinformation that is put out in the street that it is hard to take any of it seriously.
The only things that can be believed are what actually happens.
My impression is Rubin was talking about those lender trades that are just supposed to help out for a season. I think trades can him, but trading just for this year isn’t the wisest. Trading for this year and beyond, I’m all for. I think that’s what he’s talking about.
I’m not completely convince we’re out, but each loss I become a bit more convinced. Trade dead line is a ways away. It’ll be easier to gauge then
I do agree that there’s not much we can trade for hot prospects because I don’t think we should trade any of the core and any lender player I’d think about (Delgado maybe) is hurt.
This Omar Minaya era has had mixed results. I don’t think anyone could deny that. But the decline is predictable. Even if they are able to get back to where they were in 2010 as they were in ‘07 or ‘08, we all know there were wholes on thhose rosters too. There was something wrong with the psyche in the team when it came to pressure. Start from scratch when it comes to management. Get rid of the manager, pitching coach, GM, all the coaches and get better scouts. This team is good enough to be on the verge of success for another few years. That’s why this needs to happen before it’s too late.
If you don’t get rid of Tony B. you don’t solve the underlying problem. You can change Managers, Gm’s, scouts, Doctors, training staffs…………change who ever you want, but if you don’t keep Tony B form undermining the GM and the manager, failure will happen again, and again, and again! That man needs to go!
Than he should be fired too. I know he does have a lot of influence on this team. He shouldn’t be here anymore. When I say I want change, that means clean house to everyone who’s not on the roster. In ‘99, they did that for practically everyone except for Bobby V and Steve Phillips. Look at the results? I understand it may be too late this season, but there’s no reason to start next season on the wrong foot.
I don’t know what the budget will look like in the off-season, but they have to sure up the wholes on their roster with that 30 million or so. Try to sign Hudson for 4/40 and eat 1/3 of Castillo’s contract to who ever wants it. If that doesn’t work, hold onto him.
Try to sign Bengie Molina to 2/14. He had 95 RBI’s last season with that line-up. His.BA is not as high this year, but he’s still productive and a good 5/6 hitter. Try signing Abreu to the same type of deal. People could say what they want about being scared of the fence or declining numbers, but the guy hits well for average, gets on base and is HEALTHY. Plus, I wouldn’t say Sheffield is good defensively.
If Francoeur and a platoon of Murphy and Evans (at 1B) is your 7 and 8, it’s not bad. A line up of Reyes, Hudson, Beltran, Wright, Abreu, Molina, Francoeur, Murphy/Evans and re-sign Cora, and you still have like 5-6 mill to spend. Pick up Putz option if other teams are interested (ex. Tigers). Try to get some prospects for him. If not, decline his option and sign a healthier set-up man.
Absolutely not! No more platoons at 1B! That’s part of the reason we are in this mess to start with!
I’ll keep saying it until I get run off this board.
BOBBY V. He’s the guy that would re-energize the gan base and give us hope.
Not saying it was all Wiilie’s or Jerry’s faults, but they were not very good strategists. I think any Met fan with a brain can agree with that.
Bobby will back our credibility. He’s great with the media and we can all rest assured that he will never be outmanaged. When we lose games it will be because the players lost the game,
You mean it will be just like how 90% of our games are lost now! lol Look I like Bobby V, but even he couldn’t field a consistently winning team with 3 different platoons in the field. WIth Pagan back and the arrival of an everday RF things should and will get more consistent, just because we lost ine game doesn’t mean the sky is falling. Considering a week ago if the Mets were down by two runs they would pretty much fold the tent untill the next day, that didn’t happen last night, nor did it happen the 2 games prior to that, this offense will get better now that Jerry is rolling out a consistent lineup. NOw if we could the bullpen to cooperate it would be helpful.
I definitely agree with that. Unlike Jerry, he won’t bad mouth his players nor be outmanaged. Unlike Willie, he won’t be a deadhead and would have his players respect. The more the way this year looks, this season is damaged by injuries. It happens.
You’re not going to get much back via trade in August though. The Mets are stubborn – ‘02 (ex. Bay for Steve Reed) & ‘04 (ex. Kazmir for Zambrano). They need to suck up their pride, see how these next two weeks play out and if it’s not good, trade Sheff to an AL team, Livan (if he still has any value) and Luis Castillo (what better time will he have value?).
where you actually watching the Mets when Valentine was the manager? I am a huge fan of bobby valentine but he had run ins EVERY YEAR with players first it was Pete Harnisch, then Todd Hundley, then it was John Franco, then Dennis Cook, then Rickey Henderson, then Brian McCrae on and on and on.
It is amazing how time just allows people to dismiss reality.
The sad thing about Castillo is that for the most part he has come back pretty strong and has not been our problem this year.
He has a good avg and a very good OB%.
I know the zero HR’s and 18 rbi’s, but if we had some pop from other spots like we should we could live with that.
Don’t get me wrong, if we could upgrade at 2nd base I would do it in a minute. I just don’t
think Luis is our biggest problem right now.
His defense has been a lot better too this year.
I agree, after the way Castillo has come back the Mets have far greater problems to deal with than what to do about second base. Granted he certainly doesn’t have the pop the O Hudson has, but Hudson does not have the kind of pop that it makes enough sense to pay part Castillo’s salary on another team (which is likely what it would take to trade him to get atleast equal value for Castillo) The Mets are better off concentrating on Replacing Delgado’s bat somewhere in the lineup and you certainly aren’t going to approach that production at the second base position unless the Mets could somehow fleece Florida out of Dan Ugla and even that doesn’t totally replace Delgado’s production , but it’s a heck of a nice start! .
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