Comments on: News: Sheffield and Schneider Expected Back http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: lisametsfan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589994 lisametsfan Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:30:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589994 dwight5: We will just have to agree to disagree (and NICELY, btw). You still think we would be overpaying for V-Mart. Do you think Brian Schneider is still going to be around next season? V-Mart could have helped this season and next. You say that the trade suggestion they spoke about on Loudmouths is BS. Maybe, but you and I will never know for sure. And Don Logan:"Too many people on here apparently were naive enough to think they were going to get back in the race, healthy and have a miraculous finish to this season." Are you old enough to remember the '73 season? If not, you can look it up. And if you are old enough and you still had this same pessmistic attitude way back then, I guess you had to eat a lot of crow that October. YOU GOTTA BELIEVE! LOL dwight5:
We will just have to agree to disagree (and NICELY, btw). You still think we would be overpaying for V-Mart. Do you think Brian Schneider is still going to be around next season? V-Mart could have helped this season and next. You say that the trade suggestion they spoke about on Loudmouths is BS. Maybe, but you and I will never know for sure.

And Don Logan:”Too many people on here apparently were naive enough to think they were going to get back in the race, healthy and have a miraculous finish to this season.”

Are you old enough to remember the ’73 season? If not, you can look it up. And if you are old enough and you still had this same pessmistic attitude way back then, I guess you had to eat a lot of crow that October. YOU GOTTA BELIEVE! LOL

]]> By: Don Logan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589938 Don Logan Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:05:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589938 Great post. It's too bad it will fall on deaf ears. Too many people on here apparently were naive enough to think they were going to get back in the race, healthy and have a miraculous finish to this season. I like to dream too but you have to be a realist. You can't keep giving up the farm every year and expect to compete over the long haul. Anyone who follows the business of baseball understands that when you're not in the race, you don't give up prospects and over pay for spare parts. i.e. Orlando Cabrera. Sure, he'd be better than Berroa. But is he worth a prospect when you're 11gb or 6 in the wc w/ 7 teams ahead of you? Of course not. And why overpay now for a V-Mart or Halladay or even Crawford when the price may come down in the off-season or when you can make moves via free agency and not lose the prospects you already have. The Yankees showed restraint by not dumping prospects for Santana or at the deadline last year and instead signed CC and kept the prospects. It's working out pretty well for them this year. Great post. It’s too bad it will fall on deaf ears. Too many people on here apparently were naive enough to think they were going to get back in the race, healthy and have a miraculous finish to this season. I like to dream too but you have to be a realist. You can’t keep giving up the farm every year and expect to compete over the long haul. Anyone who follows the business of baseball understands that when you’re not in the race, you don’t give up prospects and over pay for spare parts. i.e. Orlando Cabrera. Sure, he’d be better than Berroa. But is he worth a prospect when you’re 11gb or 6 in the wc w/ 7 teams ahead of you? Of course not.
And why overpay now for a V-Mart or Halladay or even Crawford when the price may come down in the off-season or when you can make moves via free agency and not lose the prospects you already have. The Yankees showed restraint by not dumping prospects for Santana or at the deadline last year and instead signed CC and kept the prospects. It’s working out pretty well for them this year.

]]> By: dwright5_godsend http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589913 dwright5_godsend Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:38:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589913 10-8, 2.54 ERA, 141.2 IP, 107 H, 11 HR, 34 BB, 95 K, 0.955 WHIP Is that good enough for a #2? Those are Duchscherer's numbers in 2008 in 22 games. If he can come back to form (there's no reason to doubt he can), he and Pelfrey are solid in the #2 and #3 holes. I still think Pelfrey hasn't reached his potential, and Duchscherer was an All-Star last year. Why trade for a guy like Halladay when you could scour the FA market? Other options include: Randy Wolf, Rich Harden, Jason Marquis, Joel Pineiro, and Jarrod Washburn. Guys with options: Jon Garland, Josh Beckett, Tim Hudson, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Webb. There are some good names there, but I think Duchscherer is probably the best option available. If you haven't seen this guy pitch, don't pass judgement. He's an absolute stud...imagine Pelfrey with incredible command (2.2 BB/9) and without giving up a ton of hits (0.995 WHIP)...he also strikes out a decent number of hitters (6.0 K/9). I don't want to give up on guys like Davis, Holt, Mejia, and F-Mart, especially when they are all doing pretty well in the minors and could become a part of this core when guys like Delgado and Beltran are gone. 10-8, 2.54 ERA, 141.2 IP, 107 H, 11 HR, 34 BB, 95 K, 0.955 WHIP

Is that good enough for a #2? Those are Duchscherer’s numbers in 2008 in 22 games. If he can come back to form (there’s no reason to doubt he can), he and Pelfrey are solid in the #2 and #3 holes. I still think Pelfrey hasn’t reached his potential, and Duchscherer was an All-Star last year.

Why trade for a guy like Halladay when you could scour the FA market? Other options include: Randy Wolf, Rich Harden, Jason Marquis, Joel Pineiro, and Jarrod Washburn.

Guys with options: Jon Garland, Josh Beckett, Tim Hudson, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Webb.

There are some good names there, but I think Duchscherer is probably the best option available. If you haven’t seen this guy pitch, don’t pass judgement. He’s an absolute stud…imagine Pelfrey with incredible command (2.2 BB/9) and without giving up a ton of hits (0.995 WHIP)…he also strikes out a decent number of hitters (6.0 K/9).

I don’t want to give up on guys like Davis, Holt, Mejia, and F-Mart, especially when they are all doing pretty well in the minors and could become a part of this core when guys like Delgado and Beltran are gone.

]]> By: wright5murph28 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589905 wright5murph28 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:00:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589905 i think holliday is more likely just because i dont think the sox are gunna let bay get into FA, they are already planning on talking extension...and i agree...if u get holliday you could live with murphy at first...and if murphy fails next year then maybe davis is ready....as far as that rotation....they need a better starter then duchscherer...they need a bonafide #2 i think holliday is more likely just because i dont think the sox are gunna let bay get into FA, they are already planning on talking extension…and i agree…if u get holliday you could live with murphy at first…and if murphy fails next year then maybe davis is ready….as far as that rotation….they need a better starter then duchscherer…they need a bonafide #2

]]> By: Xavier22 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589900 Xavier22 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:46:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589900 I like that lineup though if they could swing Halladay plus Rios (and $8-10M of his salary) for F-Mart and 2-3 prospects I wouldn't complain. They should be able to have a 72 hour window for negotiation with Halladay during the offseason. If Delgado came back for somewhere around $6-8M, then I guess they could keep Murphy as back up 1B, or invite Nady to ST and see what he has left (or sign Aubrey Huff). In any case, they would definitely need someone to sit Delgado a 2-3 games/week. I like that lineup though if they could swing Halladay plus Rios (and $8-10M of his salary) for F-Mart and 2-3 prospects I wouldn’t complain. They should be able to have a 72 hour window for negotiation with Halladay during the offseason.

If Delgado came back for somewhere around $6-8M, then I guess they could keep Murphy as back up 1B, or invite Nady to ST and see what he has left (or sign Aubrey Huff). In any case, they would definitely need someone to sit Delgado a 2-3 games/week.

]]> By: dwright5_godsend http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589894 dwright5_godsend Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:25:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589894 First of all, Loudmouths is awful. Anybody who listens to the garbage on NY sports radio is asking for false garbage to be spewed into their ears. Secondly, any trade for a guy like V-Mart, Holliday, Halladay, Lee, etc., would have cost more than they were worth. Any time the other team says the negotiations start with Holt, Mejia, and F-Mart, it's just too much for one player. Don't kid yourself; the Indians were not going to trade away V-Mart for F-Mart + 1. Why do we need to sacrifice our future to win NOW? Why? I just don't get it. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only sane Mets fan left. I'm okay with chalking this season up to injuries if it means we preserve our farm system and remain contenders for the next 5-10 years. To me, that's the goal right now. We lost our high level prospects when dealing for Santana, so obviously our system needs time to recover. Let's not deny it that time to recover. Some people forget, if we trade away F-Mart, Niese, Holt, Mejia, Flores, etc., what happens when we encounter a few injuries again next season? Who steps up to fill the void? NOBODY. We are having this same exact argument again, and are wishing we hadn't traded away so many prospects for just one player. First of all, Loudmouths is awful. Anybody who listens to the garbage on NY sports radio is asking for false garbage to be spewed into their ears.

Secondly, any trade for a guy like V-Mart, Holliday, Halladay, Lee, etc., would have cost more than they were worth. Any time the other team says the negotiations start with Holt, Mejia, and F-Mart, it’s just too much for one player. Don’t kid yourself; the Indians were not going to trade away V-Mart for F-Mart + 1.

Why do we need to sacrifice our future to win NOW? Why? I just don’t get it. Sometimes I feel like I’m the only sane Mets fan left. I’m okay with chalking this season up to injuries if it means we preserve our farm system and remain contenders for the next 5-10 years. To me, that’s the goal right now. We lost our high level prospects when dealing for Santana, so obviously our system needs time to recover. Let’s not deny it that time to recover.

Some people forget, if we trade away F-Mart, Niese, Holt, Mejia, Flores, etc., what happens when we encounter a few injuries again next season? Who steps up to fill the void? NOBODY. We are having this same exact argument again, and are wishing we hadn’t traded away so many prospects for just one player.

]]> By: JohnPacellasCap http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589893 JohnPacellasCap Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:18:44 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589893 I like Delgado and think he's a class act but that's just crazy. He's going to be 38 and coming off of hip surgery. It's not like he isn't collecting his $12 mil this year. His market value isn't anywhere near $12 mil and we can't be paying above market for anyone. We already did that with Ollie. We have other needs that the money needs to go to. I like Delgado and think he’s a class act but that’s just crazy. He’s going to be 38 and coming off of hip surgery. It’s not like he isn’t collecting his $12 mil this year. His market value isn’t anywhere near $12 mil and we can’t be paying above market for anyone. We already did that with Ollie. We have other needs that the money needs to go to.

]]> By: lisametsfan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589883 lisametsfan Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:35:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589883 Where in my post did I say "overpay?" Look, yesterday on Loud Mouths, they were claiming the Mets could have had Victor Martinez for F-Mart and another prospect. That IMO, is NOT overpaying in a trade. True, F-Mart may still turn out to be something, but then again, that "something" may turn out to be Alex Escobar. And Victor Martinz could help us win NOW, as I really think one more bat could make a huge difference with this team. Just look at how much better they're playing after the Church/Francoeur deal. Where in my post did I say “overpay?”

Look, yesterday on Loud Mouths, they were claiming the Mets could have had Victor Martinez for F-Mart and another prospect.

That IMO, is NOT overpaying in a trade. True, F-Mart may still turn out to be something, but then again, that “something” may turn out to be Alex Escobar.

And Victor Martinz could help us win NOW, as I really think one more bat could make a huge difference with this team. Just look at how much better they’re playing after the Church/Francoeur deal.

]]> By: dwright5_godsend http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589880 dwright5_godsend Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:22:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589880 I threw Bay in there because I think he is the best option. A guy I would also look at is Rick Ankiel...he could fit great in that lineup as well, and can hold LF down for a year until F-Mart gets more experience in AAA. We are clearly rushing the poor kid, and I think he needs another season or so in AAA (unless he just crushes the ball in ST). Either way, this team can make a couple of minor adjustments and be a WS contender if healthy. As for Delgado, I'd give him the same amount of money he's making this season because he deserves another shot at his option year. No need to get ridiculously cheap on a guy who can hit around .280 with 25-30 HR and 100 RBI. Not to mention he is still a great mentor and can really help guys like F-Mart, Davis, Murphy, and even Flores. Heck, he has an influence on veterans like Wright, Reyes, and Francoeur as well. I think it's a no-brainer. Let him hold down first base for another year while Ike Davis breaks camp with Buffalo. Who knows, he may become an interesting trade piece next July. I threw Bay in there because I think he is the best option. A guy I would also look at is Rick Ankiel…he could fit great in that lineup as well, and can hold LF down for a year until F-Mart gets more experience in AAA. We are clearly rushing the poor kid, and I think he needs another season or so in AAA (unless he just crushes the ball in ST).

Either way, this team can make a couple of minor adjustments and be a WS contender if healthy.

As for Delgado, I’d give him the same amount of money he’s making this season because he deserves another shot at his option year. No need to get ridiculously cheap on a guy who can hit around .280 with 25-30 HR and 100 RBI. Not to mention he is still a great mentor and can really help guys like F-Mart, Davis, Murphy, and even Flores. Heck, he has an influence on veterans like Wright, Reyes, and Francoeur as well.

I think it’s a no-brainer. Let him hold down first base for another year while Ike Davis breaks camp with Buffalo. Who knows, he may become an interesting trade piece next July.

]]> By: dwright5_godsend http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589879 dwright5_godsend Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:15:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/01/news-sheffield-and-schneider-expected-back/#comment-589879 What do you want him to do? Over pay for a one year guy? With so many of our key players on the DL, Omar is in ZERO position to negotiate because teams know we are desperate. This was the right move by Omar because there is no need to even further cripple our farm system. In the next year or so we will have what we didn't have this year: depth in AAA. Guys like F-Mart, Holt, Mejia, Davis, Duda, Havens, etc. will all be at AA or above and more MLB ready than ever. Had it not been for the injuries this season to basically our entire productive core, we would probably be in first place right now and NOBODY would be complaining. Great teams are built with patience. Look at the Phillies; they sucked for many years, but then Rollins, Howard, Utley, Victorino, Hamels, etc. all came up through their system and have become great players. Who's to say the same can't happen with F-Mart, Flores, Holt, Mejia, and Davis? What do you want him to do? Over pay for a one year guy? With so many of our key players on the DL, Omar is in ZERO position to negotiate because teams know we are desperate. This was the right move by Omar because there is no need to even further cripple our farm system. In the next year or so we will have what we didn’t have this year: depth in AAA. Guys like F-Mart, Holt, Mejia, Davis, Duda, Havens, etc. will all be at AA or above and more MLB ready than ever.

Had it not been for the injuries this season to basically our entire productive core, we would probably be in first place right now and NOBODY would be complaining. Great teams are built with patience. Look at the Phillies; they sucked for many years, but then Rollins, Howard, Utley, Victorino, Hamels, etc. all came up through their system and have become great players. Who’s to say the same can’t happen with F-Mart, Flores, Holt, Mejia, and Davis?

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