Comments on: MarketWatch: Wilpon will be Forced to Sell Mets http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: VCarver http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598485 VCarver Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:56:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598485 See my reply below. But to add on to it ... One, the author also does not know the Wilpons' or Sterling Equities' financial positions. She is also guessing/speculating. Two, I believe some of the current minority owners of the Mets are part of Sterling Equities and so might have been part of that loss. My point is that they might be selling to cover their losses. See my reply below. But to add on to it …

One, the author also does not know the Wilpons’ or Sterling Equities’ financial positions. She is also guessing/speculating.

Two, I believe some of the current minority owners of the Mets are part of Sterling Equities and so might have been part of that loss. My point is that they might be selling to cover their losses.

]]> By: VCarver http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598484 VCarver Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:53:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598484 LOL, Lorenzo, what is the point of your reply? Your saying the contracts were signed before the Madoff thing broke SUPPORTS my contention that it has had little or no impact on this year's spending. Did you not understand my point? If you don't, you should ask me what I meant instead of going on some sort of rant to nowhere. And I never questioned the veracity of Marketwatch. Read my post again. What I questioned was Avrelund's speculation/opinions which are NOT fact and is NOT the same thing as the reporter from Marketwatch. Is English not your native language? Let me know and I will be easier on you next time. LOL, Lorenzo, what is the point of your reply? Your saying the contracts were signed before the Madoff thing broke SUPPORTS my contention that it has had little or no impact on this year’s spending.

Did you not understand my point? If you don’t, you should ask me what I meant instead of going on some sort of rant to nowhere.

And I never questioned the veracity of Marketwatch. Read my post again. What I questioned was Avrelund’s speculation/opinions which are NOT fact and is NOT the same thing as the reporter from Marketwatch.

Is English not your native language? Let me know and I will be easier on you next time.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598358 Lorenzo23 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:21:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598358 I think that if the Mets made the playoffs 8 years in a row there would be far less complaining on this site. I think that if the Mets made the playoffs 8 years in a row there would be far less complaining on this site.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598357 Lorenzo23 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:16:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598357 Oh and the minority owners didnt lose money to Madoff...the Wilpons did. Why would the minority owners sell if they didnt lose money and their investment, The Mets, is still very profitable??? Oh and the minority owners didnt lose money to Madoff…the Wilpons did. Why would the minority owners sell if they didnt lose money and their investment, The Mets, is still very profitable???

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598353 Lorenzo23 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:11:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598353 The Madoff scandle took place AFTER all of the Mets signings took place, except Oliver Perez. And most of the Mets contracts have been in place for years and the Wilpons have no way of getting out of them because they are guaranteed. Marketwatch is a valuable resource for financial news and they don't report things that aren't true. Why do you always make excuses for the Wilpons? It seems that you may be friendly with them or something. If that is the case I'd definitely understand.. And what proof do you have that the Wilpons will be able to financially own the team for the next decade??? All we know is that they have lost 300-700 million to Madoff. The Madoff scandle took place AFTER all of the Mets signings took place, except Oliver Perez. And most of the Mets contracts have been in place for years and the Wilpons have no way of getting out of them because they are guaranteed.

Marketwatch is a valuable resource for financial news and they don’t report things that aren’t true.

Why do you always make excuses for the Wilpons? It seems that you may be friendly with them or something. If that is the case I’d definitely understand..

And what proof do you have that the Wilpons will be able to financially own the team for the next decade??? All we know is that they have lost 300-700 million to Madoff.

]]> By: ItalPiazza31 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598350 ItalPiazza31 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:05:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598350 If MLB added 4 more wild cards to the NL, then maybe the Mets would make the playoffs like the Mavs have. If MLB added 4 more wild cards to the NL, then maybe the Mets would make the playoffs like the Mavs have.

]]> By: ItalPiazza31 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598347 ItalPiazza31 Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:50:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598347 This only means something if the potential new owners can run a better organization than the Wilpon's have. Someone like James Dolan would not be better than the Wilpon's. And raising payroll is not the issue here. The Mets payroll has increased by $30+ million since 2006 yet the Mets have won fewer games. The issue is ownership not holding their ee's accountable and them lacking a chain of command in their organization. That's all I am looking for from the Wilpon's but it doesn't sound like that is something that will ever change. If the new ownership keeps up similar spending but adds a chain of command and holds it's ee's accountable then I am all for it. But if it's someone that will just up the payroll to continue more reckless spending and not holding their ee's accountable then I would rather just stick with the Wilpons. This only means something if the potential new owners can run a better organization than the Wilpon’s have. Someone like James Dolan would not be better than the Wilpon’s.

And raising payroll is not the issue here. The Mets payroll has increased by $30+ million since 2006 yet the Mets have won fewer games. The issue is ownership not holding their ee’s accountable and them lacking a chain of command in their organization.

That’s all I am looking for from the Wilpon’s but it doesn’t sound like that is something that will ever change. If the new ownership keeps up similar spending but adds a chain of command and holds it’s ee’s accountable then I am all for it. But if it’s someone that will just up the payroll to continue more reckless spending and not holding their ee’s accountable then I would rather just stick with the Wilpons.

]]> By: VCarver http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598336 VCarver Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:17:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598336 I predict Avrelund is wrong. That the Wilpons will be the majority owners of the Mets for at least the next decade or so ... and that no significant selling off of even part of the team will take place in the near future. At least by the Wilpons. There are other minority owners of the Mets and they might be selling -- but not the Wilpons. I wonder if Avrelund knows that the Mets did NOT lower this year's payroll after the Madoff scandal broke (according to Rubin). So, Madoff or not, there was never room in the budget for Manny this season. I predict Avrelund is wrong. That the Wilpons will be the majority owners of the Mets for at least the next decade or so … and that no significant selling off of even part of the team will take place in the near future. At least by the Wilpons. There are other minority owners of the Mets and they might be selling — but not the Wilpons.

I wonder if Avrelund knows that the Mets did NOT lower this year’s payroll after the Madoff scandal broke (according to Rubin). So, Madoff or not, there was never room in the budget for Manny this season.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598326 Patrick Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:56:56 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598326 Look I don't care if the Wilpons stay or go, but I don't want to hear any of these faux comparisons to Cuban and the Mavericks especially his team making the playoffs in a league where all breathing teams are invited to the playoffs, and things like winning championships does not matter as much as putting the effort in. I don't care what you call the owners name, if the Mets had made the playoffs the last 8 years and never won a championship nobody would be saying 39-40 is okay, at least we make it to the playoffs every year. That is totally disingenious and a weak comparison. Look I don’t care if the Wilpons stay or go, but I don’t want to hear any of these faux comparisons to Cuban and the Mavericks especially his team making the playoffs in a league where all breathing teams are invited to the playoffs, and things like winning championships does not matter as much as putting the effort in.

I don’t care what you call the owners name, if the Mets had made the playoffs the last 8 years and never won a championship nobody would be saying 39-40 is okay, at least we make it to the playoffs every year.

That is totally disingenious and a weak comparison.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598321 Patrick Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:53:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/08/28/marketwatch-wilpon-will-be-forced-to-sell-mets/#comment-598321 Some of what he lost very well could be some of what he imagined was gained, ie he could have been give a dividend of x $ early on and said put that back into the pile Bernie. We are all speculating on things we have no idea about just to please our sensibilities and imagine scenarios that make us somewhat happier I suppose. Nothing really matters other than winning. I don't give much a crap about PR other than the Mets should fire Jay Horowitz, I don't give a crap whether the owners know me, breathe near me or slap my a high five, I don't give a crap much about anything but winning. The Wilpons if they are sticking around better plan on investing in the Mets if they want fans to invest in CitiField. And that is going to have to start with Omar Minaya being pushed out, not reassigned, but out. He had his chance he has lost his credibility with little hope of gaining it back. If the Mets owners need to sell so be it. Some of what he lost very well could be some of what he imagined was gained, ie he could have been give a dividend of x $ early on and said put that back into the pile Bernie.

We are all speculating on things we have no idea about just to please our sensibilities and imagine scenarios that make us somewhat happier I suppose.

Nothing really matters other than winning.

I don’t give much a crap about PR other than the Mets should fire Jay Horowitz, I don’t give a crap whether the owners know me, breathe near me or slap my a high five, I don’t give a crap much about anything but winning.

The Wilpons if they are sticking around better plan on investing in the Mets if they want fans to invest in CitiField. And that is going to have to start with Omar Minaya being pushed out, not reassigned, but out. He had his chance he has lost his credibility with little hope of gaining it back.

If the Mets owners need to sell so be it.

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