Comments on: Buzz: Mets inclined to give 3-yr deal to Francoeur http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 2009_believe http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602187 2009_believe Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:27:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602187 I think the poster above was trying to make the point that F-core has this influence over the clubhouse and maybe he could have inspiried the guys not to put so much pressure on themselves and in the same way take pressure off of Wright during those "collapses" I think the poster above was trying to make the point that F-core has this influence over the clubhouse and maybe he could have inspiried the guys not to put so much pressure on themselves and in the same way take pressure off of Wright during those “collapses”

]]> By: Coolpapabell http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602163 Coolpapabell Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:03:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602163 I find it most curious that you are praising a potential move that legitimizes most your claim that the Mets front office should be replaced. I find it most curious that you are praising a potential move that legitimizes most your claim that the Mets front office should be replaced.

]]> By: mextache http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602144 mextache Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:01:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602144 Not a necessary move but I wouldn't mind it if the contract is reasonable...which at $15mil/3years sounds like it would be. I love Frenchy's attitude and his hustle. It seems that he takes a lot of the pressure and leadership responsibility off of Wright's shoulders which could be huge. This guy was made to play in this town. If he can hit like he did in his first two years in Atlanta. Not a necessary move but I wouldn’t mind it if the contract is reasonable…which at $15mil/3years sounds like it would be.

I love Frenchy’s attitude and his hustle. It seems that he takes a lot of the pressure and leadership responsibility off of Wright’s shoulders which could be huge.

This guy was made to play in this town. If he can hit like he did in his first two years in Atlanta.

]]> By: ARTIE412 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602142 ARTIE412 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:50:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602142 I agree totally. A few points: 1. Some people are motivated by a kick in the ass; others by a kiss on the top of the head. Jeff is the latter, (Murphy, I think, is the former, fwiw). What he was getting in Atlanta was "Why aren't you Ted Williams!?? SI had you on the cover and said you were!!" Here in NY, we would be thrilled with .290/20hr/90RBI, ESPECIALLY in the six hole where he will hopefully either drive in the 3-4-5, AND see a lot more good pitches with more men on base. The contract is just good positive reinforcement. 2. I wonder if the same people who say we should not sign Frenchy are the same folks who thought it was a good idea TO sign Ollie. And don't give up on Murph either. He's a kid who could come back to kick OUR butts if we dump him. I agree totally. A few points:

1. Some people are motivated by a kick in the ass; others by a kiss on the top of the head. Jeff is the latter, (Murphy, I think, is the former, fwiw). What he was getting in Atlanta was “Why aren’t you Ted Williams!?? SI had you on the cover and said you were!!” Here in NY, we would be thrilled with .290/20hr/90RBI, ESPECIALLY in the six hole where he will hopefully either drive in the 3-4-5, AND see a lot more good pitches with more men on base. The contract is just good positive reinforcement.

2. I wonder if the same people who say we should not sign Frenchy are the same folks who thought it was a good idea TO sign Ollie.

And don’t give up on Murph either. He’s a kid who could come back to kick OUR butts if we dump him.

]]> By: Backstop http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602137 Backstop Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:56:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602137 Exactly. Even if you like Francoeur, there's no need to lock him up. Exactly. Even if you like Francoeur, there’s no need to lock him up.

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602135 Hit The Weights Zeile Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:36:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602135 I like franceour and hope hes back next year in RF (with holliday in LF) but no need to "lock him up" if he comes out and has a good year next year batting in the 6 hole maybe we can start talking extension. Im tired of this team just giving money away, not saying he doesnt deserve 5 mill a season but make him earn it. I like franceour and hope hes back next year in RF (with holliday in LF) but no need to “lock him up” if he comes out and has a good year next year batting in the 6 hole maybe we can start talking extension. Im tired of this team just giving money away, not saying he doesnt deserve 5 mill a season but make him earn it.

]]> By: wang923 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602133 wang923 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:32:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602133 Looking at Fangraphs, Frenchy was worth $10 million in his rookie year and $15 million in 2007. In 2007, most of his production was due to his strong fielding stats; however his defense has moved to negative value over the last two seasons. Over the last two years, he was worth negative $$ to the team. The Mets want to give him a multiple year deal?!?!? http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4792&position=OF Looking at Fangraphs, Frenchy was worth $10 million in his rookie year and $15 million in 2007. In 2007, most of his production was due to his strong fielding stats; however his defense has moved to negative value over the last two seasons. Over the last two years, he was worth negative $$ to the team. The Mets want to give him a multiple year deal?!?!?

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4792&position=OF

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602130 stickguy Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:25:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602130 not good enough a player to lock into him for 3 years. Let him go to arb, and see what ahppens next year. If he really does look like a keeper, worry about extending him then. Just as good a chance they want to be rid of him after next season. Why limit the options? Are they really that sure he will have a huge break out year and it will cost more to keep him after that? They still just have to do arb again next year, so only year 3 is a real risk. Who knows. Maybe they lock him up, and he becomes a late stud like Werth. not good enough a player to lock into him for 3 years. Let him go to arb, and see what ahppens next year. If he really does look like a keeper, worry about extending him then.

Just as good a chance they want to be rid of him after next season. Why limit the options? Are they really that sure he will have a huge break out year and it will cost more to keep him after that? They still just have to do arb again next year, so only year 3 is a real risk.

Who knows. Maybe they lock him up, and he becomes a late stud like Werth.

]]> By: wang923 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602127 wang923 Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:21:52 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602127 "And also, i agree, i hate people that just judge a player strictly on stats…if francoeur is on the mets for 07 and 08 id bet they dont get pushed around in september and collapse…" You do realize that Francoeur was one of the worst hitters in baseball last year?!?!? He had the 6th lowest OPS in the majors - worse than Yuni Betancourt and Kurt Suzuki. He was one of the easiest outs in the game period. The Mets have no business giving Frenchy a long-term deal because his track record is horrible. He's one of the worst hitting RF in baseball since his sophomore season. He's had a nice stretch with the Mets but to think that 65 games overrules 3.5 seasons is truly stupidity at its best. We all know that Rey Ordonez was one of the worst hitters to ever play the game. Let's compare his last season with the Mets to Frenchy: Ordonez in 02: .254/.292/.324 Frenchy in 09 (Braves) .250/.282/.352 Frenchy 08: .239/.294/.359 These lines are pathetic from a no hit shortstop and if the Mets want to gamble on those horrible numbers for their right fielder, then maybe I'm cheering for the wrong team. “And also, i agree, i hate people that just judge a player strictly on stats…if francoeur is on the mets for 07 and 08 id bet they dont get pushed around in september and collapse…”

You do realize that Francoeur was one of the worst hitters in baseball last year?!?!? He had the 6th lowest OPS in the majors – worse than Yuni Betancourt and Kurt Suzuki. He was one of the easiest outs in the game period.

The Mets have no business giving Frenchy a long-term deal because his track record is horrible. He’s one of the worst hitting RF in baseball since his sophomore season. He’s had a nice stretch with the Mets but to think that 65 games overrules 3.5 seasons is truly stupidity at its best.

We all know that Rey Ordonez was one of the worst hitters to ever play the game. Let’s compare his last season with the Mets to Frenchy:
Ordonez in 02: .254/.292/.324
Frenchy in 09 (Braves) .250/.282/.352
Frenchy 08: .239/.294/.359

These lines are pathetic from a no hit shortstop and if the Mets want to gamble on those horrible numbers for their right fielder, then maybe I’m cheering for the wrong team.

]]> By: Backstop http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602126 Backstop Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:02:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/09/22/buzz-mets-inclined-to-give-3-yr-deal-to-francoeur/#comment-602126 I guess it makes sense if you want Francour manning right field for the next 3 years, think he will be worth more the $15 million over that time and you would pay more than $15 million if you had to do so (so you would view the $15 million as a "good deal"). I don't. I don't think he's a particularly good player and don't want to be locked into him longer the I have to be. I guess it makes sense if you want Francour manning right field for the next 3 years, think he will be worth more the $15 million over that time and you would pay more than $15 million if you had to do so (so you would view the $15 million as a “good deal”).

I don’t. I don’t think he’s a particularly good player and don’t want to be locked into him longer the I have to be.

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