Comments on: Buzz: Giants out on Bay & Holliday, Sox out on Bay http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nate W. http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607479 Nate W. Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:59:26 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607479 Holliday is basically average, while Bay is below. The statement that Bay is better is well off the mark. The trend of Bay getting worse each year, and then taking him from Fenway's LF to Citimeadow's LF could be a disaster. Holliday looked bad when he played in NY, but given his track record I would expect him to learn to be average in Citi as well. Holliday is basically average, while Bay is below. The statement that Bay is better is well off the mark.

The trend of Bay getting worse each year, and then taking him from Fenway’s LF to Citimeadow’s LF could be a disaster.

Holliday looked bad when he played in NY, but given his track record I would expect him to learn to be average in Citi as well.

]]> By: It's OUR Turn http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607440 It's OUR Turn Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:08:29 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607440 I spent the last couple years watching Bay up close up in Boston. He is not as good on the day to day as the hype. Lets sign Holliday and trade for Hallady and have some Happy Holidays! Holliday will give us a nice middle of the lineup presence. Bay does not do that. He is not a 4 hitter which is what we are looking for and what Holliday was in St Louis I spent the last couple years watching Bay up close up in Boston. He is not as good on the day to day as the hype. Lets sign Holliday and trade for Hallady and have some Happy Holidays!

Holliday will give us a nice middle of the lineup presence. Bay does not do that. He is not a 4 hitter which is what we are looking for and what Holliday was in St Louis

]]> By: LongTimeMetsFan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607363 LongTimeMetsFan Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:47:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607363 Holliday stinks in the outfield. No UZR can substitute for personal observation. It's wrong on Murphy and wrong on Holliday. If Mets inssist on cavernous ballpark, they should stay clear of players who poorly fit. Not only is Holliday's D unfit for Citi, but his brand - his offense - is function of Coors Field. No need to spend all that money and years on a Nady type - and on D, a lessor type. Holliday stinks in the outfield. No UZR can substitute for personal observation. It’s wrong on Murphy and wrong on Holliday.

If Mets inssist on cavernous ballpark, they should stay clear of players who poorly fit.

Not only is Holliday’s D unfit for Citi, but his brand – his offense – is function of Coors Field. No need to spend all that money and years on a Nady type – and on D, a lessor type.

]]> By: LongTimeMetsFan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607352 LongTimeMetsFan Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:31:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607352 You hit the nail on the head. I think they should stay clear of the way overrated Holliday - bt if they do, you know what's going to happen. You hit the nail on the head. I think they should stay clear of the way overrated Holliday – bt if they do, you know what’s going to happen.

]]> By: LongTimeMetsFan http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607346 LongTimeMetsFan Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:28:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607346 Exactly, 7train! Holliday is way overrated. Aside the excellant points you noted, he's also a .284/.353/.454 hitter on the road - obviously mostly all of that accrued away from Coors. To me, Holliday is Xavier Nady and Nady is proven commodity on both NY teams and a better defensive player. I've also seen Holliday too many times with my own eyes to know he offers sub par range and defense, and is very bad fit for Citi Field. Nady is free agent coming of TJ surgery who has become a better hitter than he was for us. If Mets sign Holliday, they're paying for brand name while only getting 99 cent store quality. They're far better off signing Nady if his arm is ready to go., Exactly, 7train! Holliday is way overrated.

Aside the excellant points you noted, he’s also a .284/.353/.454 hitter on the road – obviously mostly all of that accrued away from Coors.

To me, Holliday is Xavier Nady and Nady is proven commodity on both NY teams and a better defensive player. I’ve also seen Holliday too many times with my own eyes to know he offers sub par range and defense, and is very bad fit for Citi Field. Nady is free agent coming of TJ surgery who has become a better hitter than he was for us.

If Mets sign Holliday, they’re paying for brand name while only getting 99 cent store quality. They’re far better off signing Nady if his arm is ready to go.,

]]> By: Mets5rocks http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607335 Mets5rocks Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:50:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607335 AN excellent and valid point! AN excellent and valid point!

]]> By: Xavier22 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607318 Xavier22 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:52:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607318 and if "we" don't get them, it will be yet another example of the Wilpons being CHEAP! and if “we” don’t get them, it will be yet another example of the Wilpons being CHEAP!

]]> By: uncle cliff http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607312 uncle cliff Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:43:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607312 Jerry never played a platoon... he played favorites. An actual strict platoon could save us money and give us some league average production or better. As far as damon... rag arm aside, he can still track a ball. and in left with beltran and french would be a solid defense. plus the dude can still hit. bat him second, save some money and have a plan for the future that allows for our young guys to develop as well as having some flex later for when a legit max dollar type free agent is available. Jerry never played a platoon… he played favorites. An actual strict platoon could save us money and give us some league average production or better.

As far as damon… rag arm aside, he can still track a ball. and in left with beltran and french would be a solid defense. plus the dude can still hit. bat him second, save some money and have a plan for the future that allows for our young guys to develop as well as having some flex later for when a legit max dollar type free agent is available.

]]> By: 7train http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607310 7train Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:41:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607310 No thanks. It would be horrible to pay Holliday that much just see him hit 18 to 25 HR's. Big money for big boppers - Holliday is not a big bopper. His home away splits in Colorado will show you that. 22HR's in Coors - 11 Away. That about 22 HR;s a year if u double his away numbers NO THANKS. Get a cheap stop gap, ie Dye No thanks.

It would be horrible to pay Holliday that much just see him hit 18 to 25 HR’s.

Big money for big boppers – Holliday is not a big bopper.

His home away splits in Colorado will show you that.

22HR’s in Coors – 11 Away.

That about 22 HR;s a year if u double his away numbers

NO THANKS.

Get a cheap stop gap, ie Dye

]]> By: starz31 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607306 starz31 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:33:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/buzz-giants-out-on-bay-holliday-sox-out-on-bay/#comment-607306 I'm surprised the Sox may not bring Bay back. From listening to sportstalk radio in Boston , which by the way is much worse than in NY even though the announcers aren't Francesa-bad...anyways...everyone liked him, the team liked him, he liked the team...It was a good fit. Another reason why i'm intrigued by their F.O....they may not want to risk a big contract on a player they dont fully believe in (i'm speculating that.) I’m surprised the Sox may not bring Bay back. From listening to sportstalk radio in Boston , which by the way is much worse than in NY even though the announcers aren’t Francesa-bad…anyways…everyone liked him, the team liked him, he liked the team…It was a good fit. Another reason why i’m intrigued by their F.O….they may not want to risk a big contract on a player they dont fully believe in (i’m speculating that.)

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