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	<title>Comments on: News: McGwire Joining La Russa in St. Louis</title>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/news-mcgwire-joining-la-russa-in-st-louis/#comment-607350</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the five things I mentioned, stonewalling Congress was probably the least harmful for him. If you ignore the other four things, then you have your head in the sand.

And, no, not everyone cheated. That is what the apologists for cheaters would like you to believe. Probably much much less than 50% ever cheated with steroids.  Those that did cheated the clean players out of contracts, money, and careers. They also fueled the rising cost of contracts which resulted in higher ticket prices and cable fees for you and me.

And, no, IMO, they should only hire those for whom there is no overwhelming evidence that they were significant cheaters. McGwire was one of the biggest cheaters in the game. 

You can&#039;t rule out everyone based just on the possibility they may have broken the rules/laws. If that were the standard, then no employer should ever hire anyone ever, which obviously doesn&#039;t make sense.. OTOH, if an employer knows of convincing evidence that someone has broken the rules/law, they should act appropriately on that knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the five things I mentioned, stonewalling Congress was probably the least harmful for him. If you ignore the other four things, then you have your head in the sand.</p>
<p>And, no, not everyone cheated. That is what the apologists for cheaters would like you to believe. Probably much much less than 50% ever cheated with steroids.  Those that did cheated the clean players out of contracts, money, and careers. They also fueled the rising cost of contracts which resulted in higher ticket prices and cable fees for you and me.</p>
<p>And, no, IMO, they should only hire those for whom there is no overwhelming evidence that they were significant cheaters. McGwire was one of the biggest cheaters in the game. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t rule out everyone based just on the possibility they may have broken the rules/laws. If that were the standard, then no employer should ever hire anyone ever, which obviously doesn&#8217;t make sense.. OTOH, if an employer knows of convincing evidence that someone has broken the rules/law, they should act appropriately on that knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceetar</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/news-mcgwire-joining-la-russa-in-st-louis/#comment-607337</link>
		<dc:creator>Ceetar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with what he said to congress. If he&#039;d started pointing fingers and naming names, he wouldn&#039;t have a job today.  _everyone_ was cheating. It was accepted.

What, should we only hire the cheaters good enough not to get caught?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with what he said to congress. If he&#8217;d started pointing fingers and naming names, he wouldn&#8217;t have a job today.  _everyone_ was cheating. It was accepted.</p>
<p>What, should we only hire the cheaters good enough not to get caught?</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
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		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a disgrace. McGwire is not just suspected of having used steroids, it&#039;s pretty much confirmed he did. The evidence on him is pretty credible and voluminous. First there&#039;s Canseco&#039;s word, and pretty much everyone he&#039;s pointed fingers at has proven to be a cheat. Second, there&#039;s McGwire&#039;s own brother who said he juiced. Third, there&#039;s the dealer who was busted who had a training schedule showing McGwire used Winstrol and other steroids. Fourth, there&#039;s his stonewalling of Congress. And, fifth, there&#039;s his very unnatural power spike late in his career. 

Anyone who still only &quot;suspects&quot; McGwire has their head buried in the sand. You can safely bet your house that McGwire was one of the biggest cheaters in the sport, and shame on the Cardinals for hiring him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a disgrace. McGwire is not just suspected of having used steroids, it&#8217;s pretty much confirmed he did. The evidence on him is pretty credible and voluminous. First there&#8217;s Canseco&#8217;s word, and pretty much everyone he&#8217;s pointed fingers at has proven to be a cheat. Second, there&#8217;s McGwire&#8217;s own brother who said he juiced. Third, there&#8217;s the dealer who was busted who had a training schedule showing McGwire used Winstrol and other steroids. Fourth, there&#8217;s his stonewalling of Congress. And, fifth, there&#8217;s his very unnatural power spike late in his career. </p>
<p>Anyone who still only &#8220;suspects&#8221; McGwire has their head buried in the sand. You can safely bet your house that McGwire was one of the biggest cheaters in the sport, and shame on the Cardinals for hiring him.</p>
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		<title>By: FelixMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>FelixMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the Wilpons can bring in Lenny Dykstra to help out with their supposed financial woes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the Wilpons can bring in Lenny Dykstra to help out with their supposed financial woes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FelixMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>FelixMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that some players have been working out with McGwire already, and that he&#039;s supposedly quite good.  Just because he hit a certain way doesn&#039;t mean he teaches that same way.  Ron Gardenhire is a far better manager than he ever was a player.

I don&#039;t get hung up on McGwire and &#039;roids.  He showed Andro to reporters at his locker, before it became a big deal.  He didn&#039;t lie to congress, like Palmiero, just refused to discuss it, as was his right.  Should he be in the HoF?  Probably not, but he&#039;s never lied about his &#039;roid use, as far as I know, unlike some 3rd basemen playing for the other NY team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that some players have been working out with McGwire already, and that he&#8217;s supposedly quite good.  Just because he hit a certain way doesn&#8217;t mean he teaches that same way.  Ron Gardenhire is a far better manager than he ever was a player.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get hung up on McGwire and &#8216;roids.  He showed Andro to reporters at his locker, before it became a big deal.  He didn&#8217;t lie to congress, like Palmiero, just refused to discuss it, as was his right.  Should he be in the HoF?  Probably not, but he&#8217;s never lied about his &#8216;roid use, as far as I know, unlike some 3rd basemen playing for the other NY team.</p>
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		<title>By: thedude</title>
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		<dc:creator>thedude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thanks Mark, care to join me for a wine cooler?&quot;

&quot;Tony, you don&#039;t look so good, maybe you should take a nap&quot;

&quot;No worries Mark, there&#039;s an intersection on my ride home that has a long red light. I&#039;ll grab a few minutes of sleep there&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thanks Mark, care to join me for a wine cooler?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Tony, you don&#8217;t look so good, maybe you should take a nap&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No worries Mark, there&#8217;s an intersection on my ride home that has a long red light. I&#8217;ll grab a few minutes of sleep there&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: starz31</title>
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		<dc:creator>starz31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey Holliday, come here, I wanna show you something...you see, right here on the rear, in this spot, thats the best possible spot for the needle...&quot;

&quot;Hey Tony, Did my teaching for the day...I&#039;ll see ya tomorrow&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey Holliday, come here, I wanna show you something&#8230;you see, right here on the rear, in this spot, thats the best possible spot for the needle&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey Tony, Did my teaching for the day&#8230;I&#8217;ll see ya tomorrow&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mets5rocks</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/26/news-mcgwire-joining-la-russa-in-st-louis/#comment-607315</link>
		<dc:creator>Mets5rocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trouble with that is if they let one juicer in they rest will likely follow, thus destroying the integrity of the HOF! I can&#039;t imagine baseball would allow that to happen...or atleast they shouldn&#039;t. If he shines as a manager great, let him in as a manager, not as a player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trouble with that is if they let one juicer in they rest will likely follow, thus destroying the integrity of the HOF! I can&#8217;t imagine baseball would allow that to happen&#8230;or atleast they shouldn&#8217;t. If he shines as a manager great, let him in as a manager, not as a player.</p>
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		<title>By: Mets5rocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mets5rocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, that and the fact that St. Louis will only go so high on Holiday considering it won&#039;t be long and they will have to resign Puljos and it goes without saying that he means more to St Louis than Holiday ever will. Chances are Holiday ends up in NY what team he plays for is still very much in question, But I gotta believe the Yankees have the stadium advantage, but then again supposedly he&#039;d like to stay in the NL..... .though I don&#039;t put much stock in that rumor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, that and the fact that St. Louis will only go so high on Holiday considering it won&#8217;t be long and they will have to resign Puljos and it goes without saying that he means more to St Louis than Holiday ever will. Chances are Holiday ends up in NY what team he plays for is still very much in question, But I gotta believe the Yankees have the stadium advantage, but then again supposedly he&#8217;d like to stay in the NL&#8230;.. .though I don&#8217;t put much stock in that rumor.</p>
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		<title>By: uncle cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncle cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>263/394/588 career line for mcgwire
249/340/446 for hojo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>263/394/588 career line for mcgwire<br />
249/340/446 for hojo</p>
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