Opinion: I’m Rooting for the Phillies to Fail

October 26, 2009 at 8:30 am · 62 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

I am not rooting for the Yankees, I just can’t root for the Phillies.

The two teams will compete in the World Series, starting Wednesday night, thus putting a perfect and painful finish on top of what has been one of the worst seasons in Mets history.

In the next few days, you will hear lots of people talk about theories and unwritten rules, all of which dictate who you, the Mets fan, should root for.

Some will say, ‘You root for your own league,’ while others will say, ‘You root for your rival.’  I don’t buy any of these ‘rules.’

To me, in the end, for Mets fans, the choice is personal, and basically comes down to your typical relationship with Yankee fans.

For instance, there are lots of Yankee fans who love to mock the Mets, they boast of their success and laugh at our failure – even though, typically, one has nothing to do with the other.  And, while most all of the arrogant Phillies fans live 100 miles away, these cocky Yankees fans sit next to you on the subway, they’re in the next cubicle or live next-door, teasing and mocking all day, all night.  In this case, I can totally understand why a Mets fan will root for the Phillies, because, while Philadelphia’s success will be irritating, it can easily be ignored.  The Yankees and their fans, however, are unavoidable.

For me, however, my wife is a Yankees fan, most of my friends and family are Yankees fans, and they’re not arrogant about it and they never rub my face in their success… some days that approach can be equally infuriating because I think they’re actually taking pity on me.  But, that’s the thing, under no circumstance will a Phillies fan ever take pity on the Mets… and nor should they.  The Phillies fan should always rub their success in my face, because I would do the same to them.

In short, the Phillies anger me every day, where as I only think of the Yankees during a few days in June and the occasional October.

So, for me, I can handle knowing my respectful Yankee friends and family are happy, because it means Phillies fans will be sad and disappointed, and their failure makes me happy.  So, again, it’s not that I am rooting for the Yankees, it’s that I’m rooting for the Phillies to fail.

For more, check out Greg Prince at Faith and Fear in Flushing, and Adam the Brooklyn Met Fan, who are rooting for the Phillies; as well as Steve Sidoti at Seven Train to Shea, and Matt Falkenbury of the Daily Stache, who are rooting for the Yankees.

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chaseh October 26, 2009 at 8:32 am

I’m rooting against the Yanks, because they’ve taken the inequalities in the league past absurd. I throw up a little in my mouth each time I see Texieras stupid fat face.

Matthew Cerrone October 26, 2009 at 8:41 am

Right… I hear that.

I cut this out of the above post, because I didn’t think it fit. But, it fits here:

There is also a group of baseball fans, be it Mets fans, Braves fans, whomever, who will root against the Yankees, because of how the Yankees play the financial game of baseball. I understand this approach. However, the Yankees are simply taking advantage of their wealth, the market place and the loose financial guidelines of the overall sport… and so, this group of fans should actually be more annoyed with the Player’s Union and the Commissioners Office, as opposed to just one team.

Beltranmynewfavmet October 26, 2009 at 9:24 am

If you had asked me in April to pick the worst possible World Series matchup this season I would have said Yankees-Phillies.

Agreed, I don’t want the Yankees to win for the financial ramifications. I also don’t want them to win because they’re the friggin’ Yankees… the Mets aren’t really their onfield rivals, but Mets fans and Yankees fans certainly have a rivalry, and I don’t want to have to deal with Yankees fans for the next year.

That said, I moved to Philadelphia last October, just in time to watch these fans celebrate. As much as I don’t like Yankees fans, I can’t STAND Phillies fans. I don’t want to have to spend another year dealing with these buffoons, which is why I have to root for the Yankees in this one.

Uhhh…. Go Arod?

georgetseaver October 26, 2009 at 9:07 am

agreed. I taunt Yankees fans by telling them that they should feel no joy no matter what happens. If they win, so what? With that payroll, they SHOULD win. However, if they lose it’s a catastrophe. I also tell them that basically they’re rooting for Darth Vader and the Evil Empire (not that the Mets and their inflated payroll are exactly Luke Skywalker and the rebellion.)

Truth be told, I think that we Mets fans are jealous of the Phillies. They have become a well run team that is cocky but backs it up, kind of like the ‘86 Mets. :(

Old Backstop October 26, 2009 at 11:01 am

Great post.

As for the Mets and their payroll, the Mets would gladly sign on the dotted line for a salary cap. Evidence is already there with the fact that the Mets refuse to overpay on draft picks. They want the level playing field (and simply to run a baseball business).

The Yankees would never agree to a hard salary cap, because THEIR ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL IS BASED ON LEVERAGING AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. What would the Yankees be in a world where you couldn’t simply buy the best team every year? They would be just another baseball team, and that is exactly what they and their bandwagon fans fear the most.

murdertron3000 October 26, 2009 at 8:41 am

I am just going to root for meteorites.

fightoffyourdemons October 26, 2009 at 1:12 pm

I came in here expressly to say that. Well done.

racemccloud October 26, 2009 at 8:42 am

Here’s my reason to root against the Phillies (notice I didn’t say FOR the Yankees). Please notice that it is entirely selfish and I borne entirely out of what I feel is best for the Mets.

If the Yankees lose, they are more likely to feel like they need to spend obscene amounts of money in the offseason, and this may cause them to pursue free agents the Mets are interested in, such as Matt Holliday or Jason Bay or John Lackey, thus driving the price up on these players.

However, if the PHILLIES lose, most of their line-up is set anyway (the Yankees potentially have a spot for a Holliday, but the Phillies are committed next year to Ibanez, Victorino and Werth), and they probably won’t look for a big guy in their rotation like Lackey (the top three spots, you presume, are filled with Lee, Hamels, and Happ, and maybe Blanton as a four).

So that’s why I’m rooting against the Phillies. The truth is, I’d prefer an earthquake swallow up both teams whole, but it’s more likely an earthquake will actually come along and swallow up all the healthy Mets when they’re gathered at Christmas for a charity event.

starz31 October 26, 2009 at 10:35 am

I posted this below, but it was supposed to be in reply to you…

Absolutely, if something magical were to happen to ruin the World Series, it somehow, someway, would be connected to the Mets, in a negative way…

“Mobsters threaten World Series Umpires…underboss has ties to Jeff Wilpon”

“Crazed fan runs onto field wearing beloved David Wright jersey and spears Shane Victorino to the ground…what a classless reprehensible move…”

“World Series game postponed due to memory of Mr. Met, who earlier today committed suicide while suffering from overwhelming mix of emotions his big head just couldn’t contain…a Phillie-Phanatic voodoo doll was found at the scene”

SolidGoldberger October 26, 2009 at 11:01 am

Totally agree here. In this most awful of situations for the world series matchup, I have to look at this practically. Our priority right now is to get another starter and a big bat, not root for one of the two teams we hate.

So the question really is, who is more likely to affect the mets’ ability to get the pieces they need in 2010? Logic would dictate that you really don’t want to have the yankees in a bad mood with their checkbook open, but I imagine the same could potentially be said for the Phillies. They didn’t seem to have any problem doling out the cash for Cliff Lee and Pedro this past season (not that it was sooooo much money in 2009 MLB Dollars, but it still was still another 5-10% of their payroll). Who says their payroll is anywhere near set? They’re still the fourth or fifth highest payroll in the NL, and they are coming off consecutive world series appearances, with all the extra revenue that comes with that. And even more importantly, they are not run by the Wilpon family–they recognize that the only reason anyone cares about the Phillies at all is that they’ve won the past 3 years. If they did what the mets did the past 3, that park would be empty. They must spend money and actually win.

And I guess on a personal level, I do have some beloved friends who are yankees fans, and they’re pretty good to me, so I guess in the end I’ll root for them. Although I can’t help but feel like while we’re cursed with the yankees forever, having the phils as our rival is only a temporary thing, and that a yankee win will stick with us a lot longer:

http://www.metspolice.com/2009/10/mail-tug-mcgraw-and-this-temporary.html

racemccloud October 26, 2009 at 5:31 pm

Oh, I agree that the Phillies could spend just as well as the Yankees, but you figure they definitely won’t be in the market for Holliday or Bay as their outfield seems set for the next two years or so, and they probably won’t be in on Lackey, as they have Lee, Hamels, Happ, and Blanton for the rotation, plus other young pitchers. (Sucks to be them, huh? Sarcasm, sarcasm.)

The Yankees, though, are set in the infield, clearly, and behind the plate… but could find their outfield in flux. I’d rather they not feel they HAVE to go get Holliday or Bay, or they HAVE to replace Andy Pettitte. I’d rather they win the WS and decide to just stand pat, as much as the Yankees stand pat.

DominicanBoy08 October 26, 2009 at 8:42 am

I totally agree with Matt. I am not rooting for either team, but I will get more pleasure seeing the phillies lose. I mean would you ever hear the yanks talking about the mets after they won the WS? you will never hear that from them. on ther other hand, the phillies just did that last year after they won the series. I just hate the phillies( specially victorino and rollins) more than I hate the yankees.

JohantheMan October 26, 2009 at 8:45 am

I feel sick this morning, i went to bed when it was 3-2 bottom of the 8th and i hoped that the angels would pull it out, sadly they didn’t and i am terrified to go out in the world today

racemccloud October 26, 2009 at 8:47 am

Oh, and Matt… I would get no pleasure out of seeing my Yankee fan friends and family be happy. I would be perfectly fine if they were as miserable as I am.

Truth told, I’m not really friends with any Yankee fans. Being an obnoxious Yankee fan is cause enough for me to un-friend somebody on Facebook. Family, sadly, I don’t really have a choice. My wife doesn’t care either way, but she comes from a family of Yankee fans and doesn’t understand why it irritates me so much that they’re in the World Series again.

I think our marriage is doomed.

ItalPiazza31 October 26, 2009 at 8:50 am

I am with Matt and how he put what he wants to see. For me I don’t want to see the Phillies win. I’d rather the Yankees win.

It’s a bought championship that doesn’t mean anything to me. A Phillies repeat would be the killer to deal with especially from a know nothing Phillies fan base that 2 years ago didn’t know they had a baseball team.

brye65 October 26, 2009 at 8:50 am

For once i’m rooting for the Yankees. I don’t like the Phillies and don’t like thier fans. Chase Utley read between the lines.

jimyager October 26, 2009 at 8:53 am

I wanted to see the Braves get sweept away in 1999 after that big series against the METS. I feel the same way about the Phillies. I don’t want to the Phillies on the same page as THE BIG RED MACHINE, that team had style and class, non of which the Phillies have. I have grown used to the YANKEES winning, but, NOT the Phillies. I want to see them humiliated and sitting with there heard down as Jeter hits the game winning HR, at the New Yankees Stadium. I want to see the Yankees usher in a new stadium with a WS ring as the METS usher in a new stadium with a wimper and groan. LETS GO YANKESS

KickedintheMetsiclesAgain October 26, 2009 at 8:53 am

I have posted else where about why I do not root for the Yankees (i) as Matt posts above, the fans (not all, but most) are quite annoying and you do see then year round and they have been around for a life time, (ii) as the two above described, which I call the Steinbrenner effect of over using wealth and placing an all-star at every spot.

As for the Phillies, this is very new. Prior to three years ago, I never even thought about the Phillies. And to be honest, this year I did not think of them. The awfulness that the Mets were tainted everything good about baseball, including a young rivalry with the Phillies. To me, I did not even think of the rivalry this year. It was all about how god-awful the Mets were (and how bad they will probably be for years).

And what about the Phillies, yes they have annoying fans, but as Matt notes above, they are 100 miles away. How many do you ever really see. As for the team, other than Rollin’s mouth, Victorino’s ditry play and perhaps even Hamels, there is not much that annoys me about the team. In fact, the Phillies, with their home grown talent, is the type of team (I believe) that most Mets fan yearn for.

If the Mets had not been so awful and if the rivalry continued perhaps I would feel differently about the Phillies. Even in that case, I am not sure it would over come a life time of feelings about the Yankees.

Do not forget, in 1996 we suffered a similar fate. Yankees v. Braves. It was also a misery. My buddy was a braves fan so for betting purposes of course I took the Yankees. But from a pure heartfelt position, I could not root for either team. There was no glory in mudville when the Yankees won in game 6 (and I was at the stadium).

I will probably feel the same this year no matter who wins. But the point above about the Phillies, I do not see them as a rival. Perhaps the rivalry can/will be rekindled. You need two good teams for that to happen.

dave27 October 26, 2009 at 9:03 am

I think 1999 is a better example – in 1996 we really had no rivalry with the Braves. We were only in the second season of being in the same division, and we weren’t any good.

I will root for the Phillies for 4 reasons:

1. They already are the World Champs, and we’ve already dealt with the worst of it. What is another title gonna do to change their attitude? Nothing that won’t happen if they lose this series.

2. I can at least respect how they built their team. The Yankees just beat a team from whom they took their best hitter (Teixiera) and from whom they kept the best pitcher on the market last year (Sabathia) but drowning him with cash when everyone knew he wanted to go to SoCal.

4. There is actually a generation of young Yankees fans who have never seen them win. Despite this, they are more entitled and obnoxious than any previous generation of fans. They think this is coming to them. There is no way I can stomach these fans being validated.

5. I am getting married the weekend following the series and my fiance’s family are all Yankees fans. There is no way I want this day sullied by preening Yankees fans…and there won’t be a Phillie fan in the house.

racemccloud October 26, 2009 at 8:59 am

Hey, Matt, you’ve got a picture of Phillie mascot The Phillie Phanatic on the front of this article… shouldn’t youalso have a picture of the Yankee mascot, Rudy Giuliani?

NYMetsKorner October 26, 2009 at 9:02 am

Living 100 miles away, just outside of Philadelphia, it is easy for me to root for the Phillies to lose. Just like many of you who live in NY don’t want to be around Yankee fans if they add to their 26 championships, I don’t want to be around Philly fans who now act like they have won 26 championships.

metsfan1 October 26, 2009 at 9:02 am

As a long time Mets fan, this WS pains me as much as when the Yanks played the Braves. I hated both teams.

But like then, I will root for the team playing the Yanks. I also rooted for the Marlins over the Yanks. My office now is predominantly Yankee fans and although they are not as cocky as at my old job back in the late 90’s, I still do not want to hear how great they are, a ticker tape parade etc..

There are 2 Mets fans that sit near me. One wants to root for the Yanks because they are already a dynasty. What is 1 more ring. Whereas if Philly wins, they become a dynasty by going back to back. I believe no NL team has done it since the Big Red Machine. The other is in my camp. As much as we hate Philly, we want to shut the Yankees and their fans up. How great would it be to see a team that spent gobs of $$$ of Texeira, Sabathia and Burnett lose. Yes the Yanks may then go out and bid on Holliday and Lackey but they would do that anyway. When has $$$ been an issue?

Either way, the Mets and their fans are losers in this. We will not spend more money on free agents like Lackey or this 100mph Cuban pitcher nor will we rid ourselves of the albatross contracts that Minaya has put us under.

The last thing I want to be reminded of is how much of a failure the Mets are as an organization and a ticker-tape parade in our city for the other teams just puts an exclamation point on it. It has nothing to do with the money the Yanks spend. We were the number 1 payroll in the NL. Philly spent far less then we did. It is how you spend it and the character of the players and manager. Both of these teams have that and we don’t.

Agees Catch October 26, 2009 at 9:12 am

Until Jeff realizes that he’s not a “baseball man” and steps aside, we’re going to be second guessing every move that a Mets GM makes.

Maybe Jeff should take a page from the Rooney family playbook (heck, give him the whole playbook):
Decide what type of team you want to put on the field,
Hire an executive staff that has a history of building the type of team you want.
Set a budget
Get out of the way.

Mets5rocks October 26, 2009 at 10:19 am

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

Agees Catch October 26, 2009 at 9:06 am

Baseball season is over.

I’m going to watch the Knicks.

Nate W. October 27, 2009 at 2:07 am

…hmm, that might actually be more sickening…

I’m going to root for rain, rain, rain,… and then some snow…

Yanks win game 7 on Dec 20th with a snowman playing LF. Snowman applauded for it’s better range than Johnny Damon.

dave27 October 26, 2009 at 9:06 am

Again you really have to reflect that just 3 years ago we thought we were heading into a new era of Mets dominance in NY….and three years later we have to watch a world series between the Yankees and a Phillie team trying to start a dynasty. Phillies…dynasty. Unreal.

Jaded1983 October 26, 2009 at 9:10 am

Ugh. Really it comes down to the lesser of two evils in each persons point of view as Matt stated. I will personally be rooting for the yanks. My philly friends are MUCH MORE obnoxious (at least to me) than any yankees fans. Sure it irks me to no end that they bought this WS birth, and we as mets fans might have to endure another yankees ws victory/ticker tape parade, but IMO it will be worth it to not hear philly fans talk about their “Back to back WFS”

Go Yanks? (I just threw up a little…..)

Agees Catch October 26, 2009 at 9:17 am

Actually, I’m rooting for a blow out. 4 games to nil. The last thing I want to hear is that this was a series for the ages, or a classic series. I just want one team to be seriously embarassed. I think it dimishes victory for the winning team also, as the opposition didn’t put up much of a fight.

KickedintheMetsiclesAgain October 26, 2009 at 9:17 am

Two additional reasons why I would not root for the Yankees:

(i) I want the curse of AROD to continue. I do not want him to sniff a ring, and

(ii) as the above person wrote, Yanks have not won in 7 years, and

(iii) I prefer the Yanks do not christen their new stadium with a WS victory.

KickedintheMetsiclesAgain October 26, 2009 at 9:18 am

…. I meant to say, three additional reason ….

koosman36 October 26, 2009 at 9:19 am

I don’t care as much about Yankee FANS and Phillie FANS as what the teams represent – I have an easier time with a hard-working Phillie team winning – who, don’t get me wrong, I hate, but am coming to respect – than the Yankees, who just strike me as arrogant and selfish.

I don’t even mind the payroll issue as much as the whole attitude and smugness of them – they make my skin crawl when I watch their games.

I don’t like either of them, but somehow Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley grate on me just a bit less than A-Rod and Jeter. I couldn’t even stand the stoic glare of Pettite last night – give me a break.

If Al Qaeda fielded a baseball team, I think I’d root for them before I’d root for the Yankees.

metsfan1 October 26, 2009 at 9:26 am

The reality is that the Mets and their fans would love to have a team with talent and scrappiness. The reason Philly loves to stick it to us and NY in general is that they have a little brother complex. I know, I went to school there. They are constantly comparing themselves to NY and guess what, they will regardless of whether they win or not. It is similar to Boston. New Yorkers in general look down on anyone that doesn’t live here right or wrong. I don’t agree with this attitude but friends and relatives of mine in Philly, Boston and Baltimore hate NY.

Someone told me that Mets and Yankee fans are the same because we are from the same city. Ah no. The difference is Mets fans do not feel entitled to winning. We feel fortunate for getting the playoffs and having a chance. Yankee fans feel like it is their birthright. I want to see them knocked down a peg. If it takes my enemy to do that, then so be it.

I just wish Wilpon wouold understand that to win in this city means beating your rival. The Yankees for many things are our rival. Ticket sales. TV ratings. Merchandise. The more of it we sell and the less they sell shifts the balance. He is happy being number two and therefore we will always be the fortunate ones to get to the playoffs, not the ones that feel entitled.

I look at Mnachester City in the Premier League. Always number 2 to United. They got a new stadium but that didn’t do much until new owners came in and raised the ante buying some of the best players and challenging their intercity rivals.

Please Mark Cuban, make a bid.

starz31 October 26, 2009 at 10:32 am

including prying away a top forward from said rival…Mr. Tevez

racemccloud October 26, 2009 at 5:34 pm

Well, I always go back to that… the Phillies may have the better NL team, and it’s not even close… but we have the better city, and it’s not even close.

jay15 October 26, 2009 at 9:28 am

As Matt said, everyone’s going to have different opinions based on their different experiences and relationships they have with each teams fan bases.

Just remember that the inter division rivalry is cyclical. In the 80’s it was the Cardinals, in the 90’s it was the Braves, and as of the last 3 years it has been the Phillies. In 5 years it could be the Marlins. The Yankees have always been there and will always be there. My hatred will always be greater for the Yankees and their fans because we will always have to deal with them. A new division rival will always come and go.

If the Phillies win you will have to deal with it for a day or two max. If the Yankees win you will have to deal with it for at least a week.

Why do we have to pick a team though. Why can’t we just root for negative things such an injuries, bad/emabrassing plays, choke jobs.

Whoever wins it will be torture either way so I am just rooting for a series that will torture each fan base

jcthree0303 October 26, 2009 at 9:31 am

Ok folks here’s the deal. In no way shape or form do I want either of these teams winning. EITHER OF THEM. This is my worst sports nightmare come true. Fitting this is happening on the week of Halloween since this is straight from the movie Drag Me to Hell. You know if the Phillies hadn’t won last year this choice would be a bit easier but since they are already the defending champs I would have to take a frying pan to my head to ease the pain every time I see them talking about the 2 time defending champion Phillies. I just hate the way Yankee fans feel about the Mets. They don’t hate us. They treat us like the that little brother who keeps trying to prove himself but you dispatch with as much force and effort equal to swatting away a fly. That insignificance irritates me to know end. I want my team to be significant. I’m so tired about hearing 26 championships blah blah blah. So I guess I’d be less mad if the Yankees win. It would be easier to bear…you know bashing my head with a tackhammer rather than a frying pan. Is there a natural disaster that can destroy both stadiums? No. Wishful thinking I guess.

jcthree0303 October 26, 2009 at 9:36 am

Jay15 makes a good point though. One way or the other one of the 2 teams we can’t stand will be unhappy. Their fans will be unhappy, the team will be unhappy, and their owners will be unhappy. Only consolation I have is that. Seeing Derek Jeter or Shane Victorino crying when they are watching the other team celebrate. Good call.

metsfan1 October 26, 2009 at 9:42 am

Maybe it isn’t the teams we hate as much as the fans. Jeter, Posada, Rivera, Utley, Howard, all produce. We can’t stand that they produce in the clutch because it usually is against us. I would never root for injuries to a player.

However to the fans. That is another story. We it basically being an Amtrack series, maybe Yankee fans when in Philly and Phillies fans when in the Bronx will all kill each other and we will hear no bragging from either set of fans because they will all be DEAD!!!

Ceetar October 26, 2009 at 9:42 am

There is more negatives to the Yankees winning, the arrogance getting a boost, the love of Jeter..etc. The breaking of the idea that building the new stadium cursed them.

Would Phillies winning really hurt more than 3x division champs and another WS appearance? It’s all tied into how we already feel about the Mets choking and failing anyway. I’d get no more agony out of the Phillies winning, and no more pleasure from them losing now.

Only iota of joy left is the Yankees losing.

Bench5urvivor October 26, 2009 at 9:47 am

The only thing worse than a Phillies fan is one when they’re winning.

At least when they lose, they’re self-loathing

BringBackDaveTelgheder October 26, 2009 at 9:57 am

The way I see it is even if the Phils lose, they won’t be too upset since they just won last year. And then we’ll have to hear from the Yanks over and over.

I am not really rooting but would rather have the Phils win. Also shuts people up about the inferiority of the NL.

kd bart October 26, 2009 at 9:59 am

I’m rooting for the Yanks because of their financial advantage. It is easier for me to rationalize that the Yanks had to resort to purchasing their championship this season to the tune of $241 million in contracts to the top three free agents on the market last winter rather than depending on shrew trading and talent evaluation. Yank fans always fall back on the number of championships they have when arguing. What’s one more that they had to buy because they couldn’t win one for nine years.

randytate October 26, 2009 at 10:02 am

Well said, Matt. The question is: who do you hate more? That answer is easy for me, the Phillies and their “Mets are choke artists” pitcher Cole Hamels.

This series is “Them vs. Them,” but in this case, the enemy of my sworn enemy is my friend. So I’ll say it: Go Yankees!

starz31 October 26, 2009 at 10:31 am

Absolutely, if something magical were to happen to ruin the World Series, it somehow, someway, would be connected to the Mets, in a negative way…

“Mobsters threaten World Series Umpires…underboss has ties to Jeff Wilpon”

“Crazed fan runs onto field wearing beloved David Wright jersey and spears Shane Victorino to the ground…what a classless reprehensible move…”

“World Series game postponed due to memory of Mr. Met, who earlier today committed suicide while suffering from overwhelming mix of emotions his big head just couldn’t contain…a Phillie-Phanatic voodoo doll was found at the scene”

Hit The Weights Zeile October 26, 2009 at 10:41 am

I’ll be rooting against the phillies. The Yankees are a team of mercenaries so if they win and I do spot any arrogant yankee fans I can always just say “you bought a championship” and walk away. Also I have become numb to watching the yankees celebrate its happened so often in my life. I can actually feel the blood vessels in my brain swelling up when I watch the phillies celebrate.

MW1218 October 26, 2009 at 10:42 am

“If the Phillies win you will have to deal with it for a day or two max. If the Yankees win you will have to deal with it for at least a week.”

Yeah, because no Mets fans have ever moved to the Philadelphia area, right? That’s the scenario I’m in right now, having moved down here to secure a place for my wife and I before our wedding last June. When did I move down, you ask? Last July. Perfect timing to get a front row seat for all of the buffoonery I could handle. Philly fans are horrible…..;and I married one. We’ve had actual fights about the way I was last October…and I couldn’t be prouder. Go Yankees.

ScottN October 26, 2009 at 10:57 am

I said this on a thread last week and I’ll join the party again. I would rather see the Phillies win not for fan vs. fan or any of that, but because I think anything that humiliates the Mets organization at this point is a good thing. The Yanks are not the model the Mets can or should be built on, but the Phils show how a good club can be built.

Any additional drop of shame and reinforced lessons of incompetance a Phillies world championship would layer on Mets brass, hopefully bringing them one step closer to needed changes, would be welcome to me at this point.

If the Phils can win despite horrible mistakes by Victorino–one of the dirtiest players in baseball–all the better. That’s the one guy I will always root to fail.

Mets5rocks October 26, 2009 at 11:03 am

I truly am torn on this issue. Who do I dislike more the Phillies for being a team that (quite honestly many Met fans wish the Mets were!) is scrappy, well managed, balanced, has confidence and clearly a clubhouse that keeps eachother in check! Or theYankees who many would say bought this WS appearance in the offseason, but in reality they had a good chuck of what they spent this winter come of the books off the previous season, so in reality the Yankees didn’t spend much more in Payroll in ‘09 than they did in ‘08. It just seemed that way because noone else was spending money. Are we more upset at the Yankees ownership for brining their checkbook to the winter meetings or are we just mad because the Coupons didn’t? Either way reguardless of the money spent, 25 guys have to perform at the highest level over 162 games and as we’ve have seen in past seasons, money guarantees nothing when it comes to player performance, especially in NY! SO I’ll hafta stew over this till Wednesday and pick a team I guess. Honestly I just as soon it be over so Omar could get to work on rebuilding the Mets!

methead October 26, 2009 at 11:13 am

Sorry…I dont care if people call me a hater, but there is no way I root for the Yankees. They are #1 reason salaries have escalated in baseball over the past 10-20years. It sucks to see a team outspend other teams by $50 million or more to make the playoffs. Its a bully tactic that pisses me off. And dont get me started on their fans….

I hate Victorino. Hate him. But if its game 7, top of the 9th, runners on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. Phillies down by 1 run, I will root for Shane to deliver a hit to win the game (or at least give them the chance to close out the game). Quite sad and pathetic of me but…hey Yankee fans s*ck.

dykstraw October 26, 2009 at 11:20 am

there is no question here. you root for the phillies. anything else is blasphemy.

racemccloud October 26, 2009 at 5:36 pm

If there was no question, we wouldn’t be talking about it.

metskat October 26, 2009 at 11:49 am

it may sound silly but when i walk around town some days and see a lot of mets caps it makes me feel kinda good…most people wear mets caps because they are mets fans…its not usually a fashion statement..
when i walk around the city and see yankee caps i wanna knock them off peoples heads…i know that a lot of the people wearing them arent yankee fans but it still annoys me…this isnt likely to change but i dont want to see more for any reason…my hatred of the yankees is visceral….

VCarver October 26, 2009 at 12:50 pm

I hope every member of both teams comes down with swine flu so severe they have no choice but to cancel the WS.

Since that won’t happen, I’ve got to pull for the Phillies. I almost always root for the NL and the underdog, but MOST IMPORTANT they built their team the right way and the Yankees did it by simply buying a boat load of the most expensive free agents last winter.

The Yankees are bad for baseball. Pure and simple. Sure, they are not cheating by having a megabucks payroll but they have undermined the whole concept of the luxury tax and fair sport and competition. This is no longer a sport with an even playing field … with the Yankees, it’s a game of big finance. It’s obscene. It’s cheap success because they simply bought it.

I really have no respect for the Yankees this year nor do I give them any credit. When they win a WS without PEDs and/or a humongous payroll that is over 50% more than what the next biggest spending team pays, then I’ll give the Yankees some credit. Until then, their success is very hollow.

jromer01 October 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm

How can anyone not hope the yankees win…. i mean i hate them with all of my heart and sould but come on…. the phillies? are you kidding me. Come on have any of you ever been to citizens bank park…….. if you have you know what im talking about. Anyway, if the Yankees win the world series imo they will be less inclined to sign Matt Holliday, which would certainly benefit us….. if they lose everyone will go insane and they will spend even more money. imo if they win they probabbly keep damon, if not i easily see them trying to land matt holliday.

Old Backstop October 26, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Here is the summary:

The Phillies have obnoxious, stupid fans. The Yankees have obnoxious, stupid fans. The Mets have obnoxious, stupid fans.

But the Yankees have a 220 million dollar payroll, pay luxury tax penalties that amount to more than other team’s entire payrolls, make a mockery of our sport, and feel entitled to win the World Series every year.

The Phillies are just another baseball team (all teams have obnoxious fans) that happens to be in our division. I see them no differently than I see the Braves. The Yankees are an evil entity and stand for everything that is wrong.

How is this hard for anyone?

If you are rooting for the Yankees, you are rooting for Goliath to crush David simply because David beat you to the battle.

starz31 October 26, 2009 at 4:07 pm

exactly right! I’m bitter!!

Jolting Joe October 26, 2009 at 2:58 pm

VCarver, you crack me up! For me, the baseball season ended last night. I want both teams to lose, and since that’s not possible, I just can’t stand to watch 2 teams I despise. And up until last week, I figured that at least the Giants and Rangers would fill the gap. But they’ve been agonizing to watch as well. Wish I could break my addiction to NY sports.

racemccloud October 26, 2009 at 5:37 pm

Silver lining to this year’s World Series:

Somebody has to lose.

metsfan82 October 26, 2009 at 11:27 pm

rooting against the yankees is the only way I see it; A Phillies will demand a change for the Mets and light up a fire in Omar’s ass to do something to prevent this from happening again. A yankees win will do nothing but add their long luxrious record of 26 championships. A phillie win IMO would give the Mets a better shot at adding to the team in the off season.

Nate W. October 27, 2009 at 2:09 am

Rainouts, lots of rainouts…

jimyager October 27, 2009 at 11:01 am

I really DONT CARE. I won’t even watch it . There are good and bad points to either team winning. I will just go one with my life, and wait for ST to start. I will measure the “pain” of the winning team when it happens. May the BEST team lose. AT least 1999 was easier, because, the Braves just beat the METS in the NLCS, so, to see the Yankees win was like sweet revenge. This is different.

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