Comments on: Note: Health, Money, Wins and Losses http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mextache http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607657 mextache Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:04:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607657 Spend as much or as little as they want...just spend it in the right places. Spend as much or as little as they want…just spend it in the right places.

]]> By: starz31 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607644 starz31 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:52:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607644 I kind of would argue that Arod was a difference make with the Yanks. He obviously didnt play well in the playoffs, but with out Arod playing well, the Yankees dont even make the playoffs every year except last. And 2008 you can blame their pitching, or lack thereof. He may not have been clutch in the postseason, but his MVP year of 2007, the guy couldnt be stopped and a few walkoff hits. Now, is he worth $250 million? I don't know. Business-wise, maybe he is, in terms of returning revenue. Especially with his previous contract and what the Rangers were still paying the Yanks. But, Steve Phillips for all his poor judgement, on-field included, was he right in saying that signing a guy to a contract like that wouldn't sit well with our roster? Its an easy excuse yes, but with teams unlike the Yankees, who don't have superstars at multiple positions, maybe it doesn't fit right. I kind of would argue that Arod was a difference make with the Yanks. He obviously didnt play well in the playoffs, but with out Arod playing well, the Yankees dont even make the playoffs every year except last. And 2008 you can blame their pitching, or lack thereof.
He may not have been clutch in the postseason, but his MVP year of 2007, the guy couldnt be stopped and a few walkoff hits.
Now, is he worth $250 million? I don’t know. Business-wise, maybe he is, in terms of returning revenue. Especially with his previous contract and what the Rangers were still paying the Yanks. But, Steve Phillips for all his poor judgement, on-field included, was he right in saying that signing a guy to a contract like that wouldn’t sit well with our roster? Its an easy excuse yes, but with teams unlike the Yankees, who don’t have superstars at multiple positions, maybe it doesn’t fit right.

]]> By: Xavier22 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607641 Xavier22 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:40:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607641 Matt should fix this glitch in the reply feature. Matt should fix this glitch in the reply feature.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607639 Lorenzo23 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:39:03 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607639 And for the record they absolutely BLEW it with AROD. I would have taken him for 250 million .... Yea he did nothing for the Rangers cause they are the Rangers. He still put up sick numbers. The revenue he would have brought in would have been well worth it. The Coupons blewwwww it and you know it man. And for the record they absolutely BLEW it with AROD. I would have taken him for 250 million …. Yea he did nothing for the Rangers cause they are the Rangers. He still put up sick numbers. The revenue he would have brought in would have been well worth it. The Coupons blewwwww it and you know it man.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607637 Lorenzo23 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:36:55 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607637 When you don't spend wisely you better spend money to fix those dumb decisions and they don't. We are now stuck with Castillo and Perez because unlike other owners they wont eat the contracts. Recognize the mistakes and replace those mistakes with better talent ..Wilpons don't do it..thus are cheap. The Philly's even do it - Adam Eaten is an example. And anyone that gives Omar Minaya a 3 year extension after two straight collapses is a complete m@ron and it sucks that as fans we are stuck with them. Wish we could fire our ownership. When you don’t spend wisely you better spend money to fix those dumb decisions and they don’t. We are now stuck with Castillo and Perez because unlike other owners they wont eat the contracts. Recognize the mistakes and replace those mistakes with better talent ..Wilpons don’t do it..thus are cheap. The Philly’s even do it – Adam Eaten is an example.

And anyone that gives Omar Minaya a 3 year extension after two straight collapses is a complete m@ron and it sucks that as fans we are stuck with them. Wish we could fire our ownership.

]]> By: Xavier22 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607635 Xavier22 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:32:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607635 Of your 3 examples. Vlad is the only one where maybe the Wilpons could be accused of being frugal. A-Rod's $250 contract was (and still is) a sick joke. He went to the Rangers and did squat for them. He was also not a difference maker for the Yankees until they went out and spent another pile of cash to get Teixeria to bat in front of him. Now finally the Yankees have bought themselves a winning team. And OK, suppose the Wilpons went out and got Manny last year. Steroids followed by a 50 game suspension right as the Mets were falling apart. That would have been a great use of 25 MILLION DOLLARS. Plus he did great in the postseason didn't he? The Wilpons are not cheap Lorenzo. They just don't spend wisely. Of your 3 examples. Vlad is the only one where maybe the Wilpons could be accused of being frugal.

A-Rod’s $250 contract was (and still is) a sick joke. He went to the Rangers and did squat for them. He was also not a difference maker for the Yankees until they went out and spent another pile of cash to get Teixeria to bat in front of him. Now finally the Yankees have bought themselves a winning team.

And OK, suppose the Wilpons went out and got Manny last year. Steroids followed by a 50 game suspension right as the Mets were falling apart. That would have been a great use of 25 MILLION DOLLARS. Plus he did great in the postseason didn’t he?

The Wilpons are not cheap Lorenzo. They just don’t spend wisely.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607629 Lorenzo23 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607629 I didnt want Zito and did you read my examples???? I dont want the Mets to sign every single free agent but I do want them to sign the ones we NEED. Now make your case against AROD, MANNY, and Guerrero among many others... And also are you telling me you didnt think the Mets needed another bat going into the last few seasons? Instead going after a big name we relied on the less expensive and always injured Moises ALou and this season we relied on a rookie in left field... I didnt want Zito and did you read my examples????

I dont want the Mets to sign every single free agent but I do want them to sign the ones we NEED. Now make your case against AROD, MANNY, and Guerrero among many others… And also are you telling me you didnt think the Mets needed another bat going into the last few seasons? Instead going after a big name we relied on the less expensive and always injured Moises ALou and this season we relied on a rookie in left field…

]]> By: Horseman http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607571 Horseman Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:17:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607571 Money wins huh? Well maybe in some sense it does, but let me ask you this. Would you work harder at your job when you have a guarantee of millions, or when you make the league minimum? Now remember, at league minimum you are working to get those millions. Point being, some guys don't work as hard when the money is already there. Money wins huh? Well maybe in some sense it does, but let me ask you this. Would you work harder at your job when you have a guarantee of millions, or when you make the league minimum? Now remember, at league minimum you are working to get those millions. Point being, some guys don’t work as hard when the money is already there.

]]> By: Xavier22 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607567 Xavier22 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:59:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607567 Beltran, Pedro, Wagner, Delgado, Santana, K-Rod...the list goes on and on. What part of "highest payroll in the NL" don't you understand? Basically Lorenzo, seems to me like you want the Mets to pull the trigger on *every* high priced player that becomes available. I suspect you were not happy when the Mets lost out on the Zito sweepstakes. Beltran, Pedro, Wagner, Delgado, Santana, K-Rod…the list goes on and on. What part of “highest payroll in the NL” don’t you understand?

Basically Lorenzo, seems to me like you want the Mets to pull the trigger on *every* high priced player that becomes available. I suspect you were not happy when the Mets lost out on the Zito sweepstakes.

]]> By: Lorenzo23 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607559 Lorenzo23 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:24:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2009/10/27/note-health-money-wins-and-losses/#comment-607559 Fine if you don't want to call The Wilpons cheap than what do you call an owner that never pulls the trigger on deals that would put the team over the top? Frugil? Guerrero, AROD, MANNY, etc. etc. The list goes on and on. Imagine pairing up Mike Piazza with VLAD in his prime. I promise you the Braves wouldn't have won 14 or 15 straight divisions. Fine if you don’t want to call The Wilpons cheap than what do you call an owner that never pulls the trigger on deals that would put the team over the top? Frugil?

Guerrero, AROD, MANNY, etc. etc. The list goes on and on. Imagine pairing up Mike Piazza with VLAD in his prime. I promise you the Braves wouldn’t have won 14 or 15 straight divisions.

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